I agree that liberals and lefties are different. I have many liberal friends. But I think the last couple of years some of them became more moderate (i.e. schools staying open, not shutting down society, etc) and some moved far left. It's just in my small world that I made these observations. I look at my uncle, who has always been very …
I agree that liberals and lefties are different. I have many liberal friends. But I think the last couple of years some of them became more moderate (i.e. schools staying open, not shutting down society, etc) and some moved far left. It's just in my small world that I made these observations. I look at my uncle, who has always been very liberal and we used to have great debates and discussions. Now? I can't even talk to him because he thinks I'm so far to the right that I'm crazy (I literally haven't changed my views on most everything -- except foreign policy where I've become far more anti-war than I was in my youth, and I'm far more suspicious of government than I used to be.)
What liberals do a lot these days is brand anyone they disagree with as "far-right" etc. It's their way of de-platforming people and shutting down debate about subjects good faith people on the right and left would like to discuss. And you've probably noticed that liberals seem to be very pro-war these days. It's all very disturbing - I hope you'll be able to resume your discussions with your uncle before long!
What about what the democrats did during the Trump years? It seems they were the most instrumental in generating a divide in this country on many levels. The media helped them out, even the lefties. Not only did they go after Trump, but they went after his supporters as well, and as a fourth cousin said on Facebook, they are an uneducated lot with no sense of morality, and that meme floated about for a long time on Facebook.
Truth be told, I wonder if we should be referring to them as "liberals" any longer, because it's another word that loses its meaning alongside "right wing," "Nazi" and a host of other terms that are just tossed at people they don't like.
I do think the term "coddled affluent professional" describes these people well (and it allows you to include Bill Kristol, Max Boot and David Frum, the leaders of the neocon movement). If we're looking for a shorter term, CAP stands for "coddled affluent professional," so maybe "cappies"? *shrugs*
Maybe your right since being liberal was a term I understood and identified with, but not now. Although I continue to have what I consider a liberal perspective on things, I no longer can identify with many of those who define themselves with that word, since many of today's liberals leave no room for dissent, no shades of grey.
Some of those liberals you mention work in jobs in which they fall into the trap of "one size fits all" and/or "we must get risk to zero" when neither of those things work like they think they do.
If you truly believe there's only one way to do something and that it's possible to get rid of all risk, it follows that you aren't going to leave room for dissent, because that would challenge both of those views.
How old are you? I think that you became aware of the term "yuppies" in the 80s, so that you think that it originated then, but believe me, I was your age in the 60s, and we were calling them "yuppies" then, in contrast to the hippies. Young Urban Professional = YUPpie.
I doubt very much you were my age in the 60s. The first recorded use of the word "yuppie" dates to 1980. "Yippies," however, could be found in the 1960s. But an entirely different animal than a yuppie.
Although the actual term "yuppies" was coined in 1980 and later became popularized later in the decade, I'd say those urban citizens who could legitimately answer to the modern term "yuppies" dates back to the ancient Mesopotamian city of Uruk, 6,000 years ago---thought to be one of the earliest examples of a "city."
Urukians created "cuneiform," the the first known form of writing. If that isn't a yuppie project, I don't know what is.
"...Yuppie, short for "young urban professional" or "young upwardly-mobile professional", is a term coined in the early 1980s for a young professional person working in a city. The term is first attested in 1980, when it was used as a fairly neutral demographic label, but by the mid-to-late 1980s, when a "yuppie backlash" developed due to concerns over issues such as gentrification, some writers began using the term pejoratively."
"...The counterculture movement of the 1960s did not always present a united front politically. Many who embraced the peaceful elements of the hippie lifestyle were not especially anxious to confront the 'system' head on. Other factions, such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), were often all too ready to use physical force and the power of the masses to achieve political goals. Between these two camps were members of the Youth International Party, more commonly known as the Yippies. Founding members of the Yippies included Abbie Hoffman, his wife Anita and Jerry Rubin.
The Yippies were more likely to use guerrilla theater or public pranks to bring attention to their causes. Although the Yippies were more radicalized than the hippies, most members and associates drew the line at organized protests and sit-ins."
I WAS THERE IN THE 1960S! Are you calling me a liar to my face? Or are you assuming that you know more about what happened in the 1960s than I, a living witness, does?
I know what a "yippie" is; that's what we hippies called the student activists over in Berkeley.
AND WE CALLED YOUNG URBAN PROFESSIONALS "YUPPIES"
You're referring to the "first recorded instance" of the use of the word, but who ever paid attention to what we hippies said?
Stop quoting what we said, from some authoritative source. Since I am a living witness, I am far more authoritative than it is.
I took my mom (his sister) to visit him in California this summer (we're now in Arizona.) We had a lovely visit -- we sat outside (because he knew my mom wasn't vaccinated -- she had COVID, it was mild, and when all her friends got the vaccine and complained about being wiped out, sore, sick, etc -- she decided not to get it.) We talked about my kids, living in Arizona, his grandkids, all his health problems, and family. We didn't talk about COVID, government, health care, taxes, education, or anything at all controversial. I miss our debates, but would rather visit than argue.
I've noticed that the MSM uses and abuses the term "far right" to identify anyone not in sync with them.
For some reason, never see the term "far left" used in the MSM, even some of the more crazy folx (PC) down in South American gubmint are described in much gentler fashion.
I agree that liberals and lefties are different. I have many liberal friends. But I think the last couple of years some of them became more moderate (i.e. schools staying open, not shutting down society, etc) and some moved far left. It's just in my small world that I made these observations. I look at my uncle, who has always been very liberal and we used to have great debates and discussions. Now? I can't even talk to him because he thinks I'm so far to the right that I'm crazy (I literally haven't changed my views on most everything -- except foreign policy where I've become far more anti-war than I was in my youth, and I'm far more suspicious of government than I used to be.)
What liberals do a lot these days is brand anyone they disagree with as "far-right" etc. It's their way of de-platforming people and shutting down debate about subjects good faith people on the right and left would like to discuss. And you've probably noticed that liberals seem to be very pro-war these days. It's all very disturbing - I hope you'll be able to resume your discussions with your uncle before long!
What about what the democrats did during the Trump years? It seems they were the most instrumental in generating a divide in this country on many levels. The media helped them out, even the lefties. Not only did they go after Trump, but they went after his supporters as well, and as a fourth cousin said on Facebook, they are an uneducated lot with no sense of morality, and that meme floated about for a long time on Facebook.
Truth be told, I wonder if we should be referring to them as "liberals" any longer, because it's another word that loses its meaning alongside "right wing," "Nazi" and a host of other terms that are just tossed at people they don't like.
I do think the term "coddled affluent professional" describes these people well (and it allows you to include Bill Kristol, Max Boot and David Frum, the leaders of the neocon movement). If we're looking for a shorter term, CAP stands for "coddled affluent professional," so maybe "cappies"? *shrugs*
Maybe your right since being liberal was a term I understood and identified with, but not now. Although I continue to have what I consider a liberal perspective on things, I no longer can identify with many of those who define themselves with that word, since many of today's liberals leave no room for dissent, no shades of grey.
Some of those liberals you mention work in jobs in which they fall into the trap of "one size fits all" and/or "we must get risk to zero" when neither of those things work like they think they do.
If you truly believe there's only one way to do something and that it's possible to get rid of all risk, it follows that you aren't going to leave room for dissent, because that would challenge both of those views.
Cappies are exactly the same class as the yuppies of the 60s.
Yuppies debuted in the '80s, not the 60's.
How old are you? I think that you became aware of the term "yuppies" in the 80s, so that you think that it originated then, but believe me, I was your age in the 60s, and we were calling them "yuppies" then, in contrast to the hippies. Young Urban Professional = YUPpie.
I doubt very much you were my age in the 60s. The first recorded use of the word "yuppie" dates to 1980. "Yippies," however, could be found in the 1960s. But an entirely different animal than a yuppie.
Although the actual term "yuppies" was coined in 1980 and later became popularized later in the decade, I'd say those urban citizens who could legitimately answer to the modern term "yuppies" dates back to the ancient Mesopotamian city of Uruk, 6,000 years ago---thought to be one of the earliest examples of a "city."
Urukians created "cuneiform," the the first known form of writing. If that isn't a yuppie project, I don't know what is.
"...Yuppie, short for "young urban professional" or "young upwardly-mobile professional", is a term coined in the early 1980s for a young professional person working in a city. The term is first attested in 1980, when it was used as a fairly neutral demographic label, but by the mid-to-late 1980s, when a "yuppie backlash" developed due to concerns over issues such as gentrification, some writers began using the term pejoratively."
"...The counterculture movement of the 1960s did not always present a united front politically. Many who embraced the peaceful elements of the hippie lifestyle were not especially anxious to confront the 'system' head on. Other factions, such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), were often all too ready to use physical force and the power of the masses to achieve political goals. Between these two camps were members of the Youth International Party, more commonly known as the Yippies. Founding members of the Yippies included Abbie Hoffman, his wife Anita and Jerry Rubin.
The Yippies were more likely to use guerrilla theater or public pranks to bring attention to their causes. Although the Yippies were more radicalized than the hippies, most members and associates drew the line at organized protests and sit-ins."
I WAS THERE IN THE 1960S! Are you calling me a liar to my face? Or are you assuming that you know more about what happened in the 1960s than I, a living witness, does?
I know what a "yippie" is; that's what we hippies called the student activists over in Berkeley.
AND WE CALLED YOUNG URBAN PROFESSIONALS "YUPPIES"
You're referring to the "first recorded instance" of the use of the word, but who ever paid attention to what we hippies said?
Stop quoting what we said, from some authoritative source. Since I am a living witness, I am far more authoritative than it is.
Ahead of the times, apparently, and authoritative you are.
You could call them "Comrade" which is the left wing equivalent to Nazi but they would ignorantly wear it as a badge of honor.
I took my mom (his sister) to visit him in California this summer (we're now in Arizona.) We had a lovely visit -- we sat outside (because he knew my mom wasn't vaccinated -- she had COVID, it was mild, and when all her friends got the vaccine and complained about being wiped out, sore, sick, etc -- she decided not to get it.) We talked about my kids, living in Arizona, his grandkids, all his health problems, and family. We didn't talk about COVID, government, health care, taxes, education, or anything at all controversial. I miss our debates, but would rather visit than argue.
I've noticed that the MSM uses and abuses the term "far right" to identify anyone not in sync with them.
For some reason, never see the term "far left" used in the MSM, even some of the more crazy folx (PC) down in South American gubmint are described in much gentler fashion.
Your uncle didn't move "far left" - that's where I am - he moved to the center.
Centrists are who you think occupy the Far Left and they have a viewpoint of their own. They are neither right nor left, but irritate us both.
Good for you!