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James Schwartz's avatar

These are the types of things that all these politicians do. These rules are for the “common” man and they don’t apply to “us”. There most likely was a handshake between these two parties over the type of illegalities they could both do where there would be a blind eye when it came to enforcement. The Dems broke that deal when going after Trump. Tish’s whole case may in fact be illegal if it was ever challenged against the constitution which hasn’t happened yet as this consumer law is just strange on it’s basis to begin with. Schiff should be in prison already for the death of that gay porn actor that involved him and a bunch of Meth. If we keep electing criminals they are going to run riot taking advantage of their positions every time ie; Gold Bar Bob. Who finally is where he belongs and should have been years ago. Cleaning up congress and those who make the rules for us needs to happen and if it’s both sides let’s make it so. This govt no longer works for us and anything that changes that is a positive no matter how slow it takes.

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James Prusinowski's avatar

Trump's biggest sin? Crime if you will. He isn't "one of them". That'd abide a Romney or a McCain but a total outsider? NEVER. He wasn't infested and invested in Beltway nonsense.

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Bushrod Lake's avatar

He certainly isn't (one of them). He's worse!

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William Wallace's avatar

Yes Buttrod he’s upsetting the Democrats and Republicans Grift against the People, the taxpayers, their Constituents and our Constitution all of which they are supposed to be Protecting and Representing!

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pundette's avatar

Exactly, James Prusinowski! I've been saying the same thing for a decade.

Early on I was perplexed at the hysterical reaction to Trump immediately, before he had a chance to do anything that might be unpopular with anyone. But I soon realized that this reaction on the part of the "Professional Political Class" and the "Professional Media Elites" was his status as an outsider.

Rather than slogging his way through school board and local elections, mayorships, representative, senator, governor, his entry level job in politics was as Leader of the Free World! "This will not stand! If we let every mechanic, school teacher, firefighter, and nurse come here for two years or six years to serve their country, then return to their regular professions, just as the Founders intended... why, then, what will become of us? People who have never held an honest private sector job, never had to make a deadline or a payroll?!"

Term Limits. Term limits, term limits, term limits. And real ones. Not three six-year terms and nine two-year terms. Go home! Flush the swamp!

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Treeamigo's avatar

Trump is a felon- he stole docs and then lied on the affidavit claiming all the docs had been returned and his people destroy video evidence,

He could have chosen to surrender the docs and fight in court with the DOJ and archives over his right to get them back. Instead he deliberately chose the path of perjury and obstruction of justice.

A savvy prosecutor interested in a quick win that sends a message not only about docs but cooperating honestly with the FBI would simply have tried Trump for obstruction and perjury in 2023.

The docs charges were much more serious, but also hard to try in court given delays over national security considerations and the inability to expose specific secret docs in a courtroom.

The choice was between a quick win and jail time (Trump would have been in jail during the 2024 campaign) or a long drawn out battle that could take years.

Biden’s handlers did not want Trump in jail. They wanted him to be the candidate, but with multiple legal charges hanging over his head. They thought this would propel the Dem base to turn out while demotivating the GOP base. Didn’t turn out the way they planned! 😂

The Dems lawfare strategy that didn’t put Trump in jail for perjury and obstruction was a choice. Trump was not innocent- he is a crook who deserved jail time.

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Moneyrunner43's avatar

The stolen documents charge is a bullshit charge. If enforced, Biden would be in prison today, along with just about everyone with access to classified documents in the Federal government. It was an excuse to incriminate Trump with a bogus offense. Remember that Capone was jailed for tax evasion. As an aside, if I wanted to send you to jail, I would simply have to review your tax filings, and I guarantee that I would find multiple instances of tax fraud.

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Treeamigo's avatar

Biden wasn’t prosecuted because he was an incompetent, nominally in charge of the DOJ, and a sitting prez can’t be prosecuted,

Biden’s people also (eventually) cooperated with the government and had them take possession of all that Biden stole.

Trump lied and obstructed justice rather than cooperating. That is a crime that has nothing to do with “everyone stealing docs”.

If “everyone stealing docs”

Is OK, I presume you oppose the Bolton investigation?

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Pacificus's avatar

Trump did not lie and/or obstruct justice. That's a Dem talking point, nothing more.

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Treeamigo's avatar

He had his lawyer sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury that all docs had been returned when Trump knew they had not, Meanwhile, Trump hid several boxes of docs and instructed his employee to destroy the video evidence.

These are open and shut cases of perjury and obstruction of justice,

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the facts of the case? Facts aren’t “talking points”.

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BD's avatar

Hilarious. Now you are supporting Bolton? And you wonder why on one listens to you.

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Pacificus's avatar

Bunk. A ex-president cannot "steal" docs that he had an arguable right to having.

The so-called documents case was the flimsiest of all the lawfare cases against Trump--obviously a political hit job. And an armed raid of an ex-president's home by men with machine guns to retrieve the so-called stolen docs? Disgraceful.

Biden was the one who "stole" classified docs and held them for decades, with absolutely no right to do so. But he got off because he "cooperated" with authorities. Also bunk.

Take your lies elsewhere.

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Treeamigo's avatar

Perjury and obstruction of justice are felonies. Trump chose to commit felonies rather than adjucate his rights to the docs in court. He’s a crook, should have been in jail during the 2024 campaign, and the only reason he wasn’t is because the Dems wanted Trump to be the candidate (with legal clouds over his head). It sure didn’t turn out how they planned!

I’ve been subject to premises searches and email discovery twice by the DOJ (done in cooperation with my firm’s lawyers- as the first approach to Trump regarding the stolen docs was done- they’ll let your lawyers do the search of you are cooperating)

However, I had to sign an affidavit to the DOJ (twice) under penalty of perjury that the docs we turned over were full and complete.

If I had deliberately lied, hid docs and then destroyed video evidence showing the docs being hidden - yeah 1) I would expect to go to jail and 2) I would expect a raid where the FBI searches for docs rather than our lawyers being allowed to respond to a search warrant.

Duh.

It’s OK to back a crook. Biden and Hillary were crooks, too.

I couldn’t debase myself by voting for any of the above (and I never have). Everyone has their own standards to uphold (or trod on).

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Jim's avatar

They were working on negotiations with the archives. Then it got moved up to 11. It was politically motivated from the start - everyone knows it, and it helped get Trump elected, with the expectation that Trump would expect payback.

Further conjecture suggests what they were looking for was any documents related to the conspiracy behind RussiaGate, in order to cover their tracks.

The records case got thrown out of court because Biden's DOJ screwed up massively. No one finds any support in looking up pleadings and legal maneuverings, which often sound like one thing but are done for completely different reasons.

By the way - Obama has a bunch of documents, but maintains he is working with the archivists - just as Trump was doing at the time of the raid,

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Treeamigo's avatar

Nope- the archives and DOJ asked for all the docs back.

Several choices at that point- comply and fight your case in court, refuse and fight your case in court (knowing they will be sending a team in with search warrants to seize them) or lie and cover up - ie commit felonies.

Martha Stewart and hundreds of others have learned that while the original charges you face could well be BS, you will go to jail for lying and obstructing justice.

Trump chose to commit felonies, no matter what you think of the merits of the original charges or the reasons behind them.

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Mike R.'s avatar

As a thought Jim: Yes--another timely RACKET report. But why is our national conversation spotlighting homes and mortgages in the hands of the rich and connected when the spotlight should be on why the young American's who comprise our Republic's future are cut out of the home and mortgage market altogether? Thugland finance (Blackrock et al.) destroyed the housing market-- gutted our national economy-- then took free money from the treasury- scooped up the decimated remains of American residential housing--converted it to rentals and continue to jack prices through the proverbial "roof". The criminal theft of every hard earned dime--while the no living wage paid-- no future and family inhabitants of a drug addled psyoped AI electronic zombieland stripped of history--culture and civilization--stare dead eyed into the hypnotic viperous reality of the D.C./Brussels/CCP Davos serpent. It represents-and has for a while now-- a purely moral evil. Interestingly no one speaks--can speak without risk of destruction--of the classified/national security budgets that can't pass an audit and the simply disappeared D.C.treasury trillions.

Earlier this year--on a cold spring day--I witnessed a young man in his early twenties laying out cardboard on a sidewalk and arranging dirty blankets and a sleeping bag--obviously trying to exploit the sunlight for warmth.--(This is a mountain town and it freezes at night). He---and now often a she--are our children. D.C. grifters can have two and three homes --devil may care rules be damned--but young American men and women--the only future our Republic has- can't even have hopes and dreams.

Revenge? Indeed someone will pay.-- But it won't be Donald Trump or the gaggle of Soros/DNC district attorneys that helped hold/are holding the American Republic in thrall to the six decade lie dismantling the American future. Speculation and opinion abounds and the commentariat seethes--but a real winter is coming. No sunlight allowed.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

Think about what you’re saying. Your case was in no way analogous to the former and current President’s case. You were not working with NARA when the WH sent the FBI to raid because you were not a POTUS, who declassifies documents lawfully. The case was dismissed due to the prosecution having no legal appointment, as held by SCOTUS. You continue to opine that POTUS should be in jail, yet no court has rendered that verdict, though they tried.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Pretty sure you could say that about most if not all politicians.

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Treeamigo's avatar

True of most of us given all of the arcane rules on the books.

https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229

And given DC pols usually have two residences I bet most of them lied on their mortgage applications!

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BookWench's avatar

Disagree that that "Biden's handlers did not want Trump in jail."

All the specious charges, the huge fines, and the specter of a lengthy sentence hung over Trump's head for months -- and may still be reinstated when he leaves office. They most definitely did want him in jail --- for the rest of his life.

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Treeamigo's avatar

They wanted him on the campaign trail as the candidate, IMO.

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Jim's avatar

They wanted him as the front runner - then decapitated to throw the race their way. That didn't end up working very well for them did it.

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BD's avatar

Nothing they did over the last 4 years has worked out well for democrats.

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James Schwartz's avatar

Your boy Biden did it before he was president! He was a shit ass senator and VP. He also sold the US out to China allowed a spy balloon to traverse the US over our most sensitive military sites. Get out of your echo chamber.

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Treeamigo's avatar

You list a number of (mostly) facts. And then ignore facts that go against your partisan slant.

Yup- you are in an echo chamber.

I am happy to acknowledge both Biden and Trump as crooks, and Trump as the better prez (so far). I would never vote for either, of course. I don’t know why you and others feel so insecure and defensive about slavishly backing a crook as “your boy”. No reason to be ashamed- partisanship outweighs morality for most people.

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Michelle Dostie's avatar

He was remarkably bad from his first day.

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Blissex's avatar

«There most likely was a handshake between these two parties over the type of illegalities they could both do where there would be a blind eye when it came to enforcement. The Dems broke that deal when going after Trump.»

My guess is that the origin point was instead Trump being a "birther". After that break of the "don't look" convention I guess the Ds decided to punish him.

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Jim's avatar

Of course that was a Clinton talking point initially.

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Biff's avatar
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When I was a kid, many decades ago, I remember my father saying something very much like "why do politicians spend millions to win a job that pays them so little?" Makes me think that even so long ago, even my dad who did not pay a lot of attention to politics, understood the simple truth of corruption in politics. Yet it seems that this simple obvious truth escapes so many. Certainly the politicians think they they can continue the ruse, keeping it all a well kept secret. Thank god for journalists like Matt.

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James Schwartz's avatar

That’s true. I’m not thrilled with either party and want the country returned to the people. It’s a dream I’ll never see come true but one can dream

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Paulus's avatar

You're saying Schiff should be in jail for taking campaign money from Ed Buck, the donor who supplied meth to gay prostitutes, and was convicted for the death of one of them? I'd like to see Schiff in jail for other things, but how is he criminally involved in this case? Perhaps there's something I haven't heard.

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C.C. 95's avatar

"Remember- It's not a lie, if YOU believe it."

-George Costanza

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Dazed and Confused's avatar

Lawfare will not end until the Democrats feel some real pain. The trump administration should seek the maximum penalty for all 3.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

These assholes all pass laws and enact regulations that the rest of us have to spend enormous amounts of time and money to follow. Or else. But then they whine and complain when they're called to account. Cry me a river. If anyone should be held to the strictest account it's them.

And regarding the appellate court's throwing out the absurd judgment against Trump - a few things. One, the Appellate Division, First Department, which issued the ruling covers the Bronx and Manhattan and is a liberal court with mostly Democrat justices. And they found both Constitutional and legal errors in the decision by the partisan fool, Arthur Engoron, who issued the verdict. Two, Leticia James, the obese moron, who sought the judgment, is the chief legal officer of New York. What does it say about her, and her voters, that even a very liberal court, found that she sought a judgment that clearly violated Constitutional standards? Maybe that New York under Democrat rule, has devolved into a clownish idiocracy? At best.

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DaveL's avatar

What does “obese” have to do with anything? Next, you’ll be objecting to her skin color. Be careful.

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madaboutmd's avatar

Well she is throwing her weight around...in all the wrong ways.

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BookWench's avatar

Ha!

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Dean Wurmer wasn't wrong - fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Or be an Attorney General.

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DaveL's avatar

I don’t see how being fat has anything to do with being stupid. Ditto with skin color.

Notice I’m not taking a position on how stupid she might be—they’re not correlated.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

So you jump on the "fat" remark in order to avoid the much more pertinent "stupid" remark, or more accurately, he called her a moron. Her fatness did not get her into trouble. Her stupidity caused her to greedily overreach her authority because of partisanship and personal animosity, definitely the opposite of the blindfolded lady justice. As an aside, maybe her fatness caused her to feel immune from criticism/prosecution due the current climate that makes fat shaming out of favor. All of this completely disqualified her from being in the position of Attorney General since she obviously thinks she is above the law and can target people with her power. Her arrogance and general finger-wagging were atrocious. She is a discredit to her race and gender. 🤮

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DaveL's avatar

Not a valid conclusion at all. She may be stupid or not; fatness has nothing to do with it.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Wrong! Her fatness is keenly obvious so why not remark upon it. As it happens so is her stupidity and arrogance. She is not a nice person and made her own self a perfect target on all grounds. People in glass houses should not throw stones in their own self interest. It's not like being fat is comparable to being black. She could lose weight if she chose to. She cannot change her color. I don't know if she qualifies as obese, and she does keep herself well, not slovenly, so there is that. It's not that I don't like fat people. I don't like HER. She put herself out there to do injustice so all's fair.

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Kent Clizbe's avatar

"They're not correlated."

That's a pretty bold statement. Are you sure?

All evidence shows that race and intelligence are highly correlated, both in the USA, and globally.

USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WAIS-IV_FSIQ_Scores_by_Race_and_Ethnicity.png

"Approximate Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV full-scale IQ score distributions for US racial and ethnic groups. The data are based on samples matched to the US Census for education and region of the country within racial/ethnic group.

Race, Average IQ:

White, 103.21

Black, 88.67

Hispanic, 91.63

Asian, 106.07

Globally, average IQ, by country:

Top 5:

1 Japan 106.48

2 Taiwan106.47

3 Singapore 105.89

4 Hong Kong 105.37

5 China 104.1

Bottom 5:

194 Gambia 52.68

195 Cape Verde 52.5

196 Guatemala 47.72

197 Sierra Leone 45.07

197 Liberia 45.07

https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/average-iq-by-country

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Wow! No wonder Africa is such a nightmare and can't govern itself! Black Americans should be grateful to have been brought to this country even as slaves. It does seem to me that this proves IQ is less related to race than it is to environment. Living in a primitive environment is bad for one's intelligence. Which shows how abominable our tolerance of ghettos and ghetto schools is. THAT is what this country should be ashamed of and especially that we allow it to persist!

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Kent Clizbe's avatar

"It does seem to me that this proves IQ is less related to race than it is to environment."

Not at all.

No matter where they go, blacks are less intelligent than all other races.

American blacks have had 300 years to mix with other races, thus increasing their average IQ--by nature, nothing to do with environment.

There are numerous studies that confirm this. Most of them examine black kids adopted by and raised by white parents. There appears to be an early boost to IQ, but that fades away, the blacks revert to their genetic mean as adults.

Also, see South Africa's IQ--highest in all of Africa. Same environment--Africa--but more white people, raising the average IQ.

Yeah, it's not environment. The sooner we accept reality, the sooner we can implement solutions to our demographic problem.

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William Wallace's avatar

A clownish idiocracy at its best is recklessly heading further into insanity by trying to elect a Pathetic Incompetent Socialist Moron as Mayor of NYC.

A Clownish Idiocracy indeed. The Former, Big Apple 🍎! The City that Never Thinks!

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BeadleBlog's avatar

My divorced mother of 5 children took a lower/middle class state job in the 70's and needed afterschool care some days when the 2 oldest moved out, so she hired a lady. My mother paid her as an employee and paid the taxes and social security. How many politicians, judges, etc. have been exposed as paying for similar work under the table? Time to enforce the laws on everyone or get rid of those laws. The double standards are destroying our country.

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StanleyTwoBrix's avatar

The law exists to protect the ruling class but not bind them; likewise, the law exists to bind the ruled but not to protect them.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Well, that's the way it has turned out due to the depravity of human beings. I think it probably didn't start out that way. So lay off the law.

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StanleyTwoBrix's avatar

I'm very sorry that I hurt the law's feelings. And yours.

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Paul Dzielinski's avatar

In 1993 two women nominated by Bill Clinton for AG were derailed for not paying taxes on illegal domestic workers. It became known as "Nannygate".

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Jeff Douglas's avatar

“Make no mistake. It’s not revenge he’s after……it’s a reckoning”

- Doc Holliday

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Matt L.'s avatar

I am your retribution, I recall he said.

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BookWench's avatar

True -- that's why so many upper income people are whining about mass deportations.

They're losing their cheap child care, maid service, and landscapers.

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Blissex's avatar

«My mother paid her as an employee and paid the taxes and social security. How many politicians, judges, etc. have been exposed as paying for similar work under the table?»

Are you sure your mother was a real american?

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Treeamigo's avatar

The help are independent contractors responsible for paying all the taxes.

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Sea Sentry's avatar

It depends on the facts and circumstances. If a domestic worker (maid, nanny etc) comes to your home when you say and does what you ask them to do, the DOL would probably consider them an employee.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

And does that work for no one else as in for other clients.

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Treeamigo's avatar

True, from a legal perspective. Though every tradesperson and contractor I hire is there to do what I want them to do (not that they do it always)

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Yes, but they come when they want and provide their own tools. These are considered substantive differences under labor law.

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Treeamigo's avatar

They don’t come when they want. If I want a plumber tomorrow and the guy says no, I fire him and get a new one.

And most cleaners now bring their own supplies and materials for exactly this reason. The homeowner asks them what day they would like to come each week (their choice) and they bring their own stuff.

My point is that people know what the law is and structure ways around it (not iron clad, but serviceable 95 pct of the time). That people didn’t bother doing this as much in the past was simply because it wasn’t prosecuted.

Of course this is easier to do with a cleaner or landscaper or handyman than say, a nanny working five days a week only for you. In the latter case, better to pay the taxes or hire an agency for cover.

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gortroe's avatar

It if they are employees and subject to social security payments

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SB Native's avatar

Exactly!

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DTL's avatar

They say Trump is on a “retribution tour”, going after his enemies. Hell, yes, it is! And that’s one of the things we voted for. Sadly, whatever he does to them won’t rise to the level of what they did to him. But, hey, it’s satisfying to watch them squirm and sweat.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Yep…I choose not to say “ retribution “ or “ revenge.” These people have committed crimes…and now cry that they are being “targeted.” I have also taken a vow to no longer respond to or waste my time conversing with a Trump “haters” as their charges are all fabrications of legacy media and not fact based. It’s very liberating…so speaking of weaponizing justice…. the Dems were quite busy…

They arrested Donald J. Trump

They arrested Steve Bannon

They arrested Peter Navarro

They arrested Walt Nauta

They arrested Carlos De Oliveira

They arrested Tom Barrack

They arrested Rudy Giuliani

They arrested Mark Meadows

They arrested John Eastman

They arrested Jenna Ellis

They arrested Michael Roman

They arrested Kenneth Chesebro

They arrested Jeffrey Clark

They arrested Sidney Powell

They arrested Robert Cheeley

They arrested David Shafer

They arrested Shawn Still

They arrested Stephen Cliffgard Lee

They arrested Harrison William Prescott Floyd

They arrested Trevian C. Kutti

They arrested Scott Graham Hall

They arrested Misty Hampton

They arrested Cathleen Alston Latham

They arrested Ray Stallings Smith III

They arrested Boris Epshteyn

They arrested Christina Bobb

They arrested Kelli Ward

They arrested Tyler Bowyer

They arrested Nancy Cottle

They arrested Jacob Hoffman

They arrested Anthony Kern

They arrested James Lamon

They arrested Robert Montgomery

They arrested Samuel Moorhead

They arrested Lorraine Pellegrino

They arrested Gregory Safsten

They arrested Michael Ward

They arrested Allen Weisselberg

Now they're saying we're "weaponizing justice".

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William Wallace's avatar

Like a Bank Robbers annoyed that in addition to being sentenced for Bank Robbery they can’t keep the money they stole from the bank!

That’s not fair, I did all the work to rob the bank that money should belong to me!

These Fools are Beyond Pathetic!

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Kent Clizbe's avatar

You forgot the entire group of January 6 demonstrators who were hounded, swatted, arrested, imprisoned, excoriated, tortured.

Not to mention that the entire January 6 was a fake "insurrection" entrapment/provocateur operation.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

That as well!

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

I honestly wish I could rise about my lowest proclivities and take the high road on this. I really do...but that would be a lie. I'm with you. The whole disgraceful affair reminds me of an old Grateful dead tune that I liked...but I could never discern any personal meaning or associations. Problem solved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Bs4xhDyxw&list=RDa9Bs4xhDyxw&start_radio=1

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Just put them on “ IGNORE”.

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Madjack's avatar

We have a lack of integrity that runs through our culture. Fraud, perjury, defamation is rampant. We need a revival of ethics and mores.

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Michael's avatar

Yep it’s exactly that. I really wondered when all this began how dumb should one be to shit where one eats. They all have their snout on n the trough, republicans or democrats, and I assumed calling each other out would fly in the face of self preservation.

Turned out I was wrong

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

Are they shitting where they eat? Or....are they eating where they shit? Hmmm...lemmee think. I suppose we could say that the democrats shat where they had eaten, and now the republicans are eating where they shit. What the world needs now is another Shakespeare. But then again....who the hell needs Shakespeare when we have Taibbi?!? Meanwhile, although I cannot find within me the slightest sympathy for the targets of this current round of charges—I cannot help but to say, in every sense, what’s passed is prologue.

In all honesty when the democrats started doing the lawsuits that was when I changed my party registration. All of the worst episodes in history were premised on "whatever it takes".

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Fred Cason's avatar

As a high school dropout, I'm still amazed at how these "people of knowledge" continue to self document things that eventually come back to bite them in the ass.

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Valerie's avatar

This is my issue too! They must believe that, because they’re the special elevated people, it’s ok. They can never claim that they didn’t know. And after convicting Trump on individual counts for miscategorizing payments....all I can say is that the horse has left the barn. Good luck, suckers.

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William Wallace's avatar

Fred, there are many more A-holes than bodies out there, and most think they are Educated.

Paper Degrees don’t matter it’s the person, the man or woman’s abilities their honesty and their character that matters.

We need more people like you, good folks with integrity and common sense.

🇺🇸

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James Prusinowski's avatar

As I once heard and found to be true.........Intelligence doesn't equal wisdom

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DMiglio's avatar

perhaps they have insider information that those documents are not reviewed for accuracy, and this is just 'how to do it'.

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Random Shmo's avatar

Knowledge alone does not produce wisdom. People can do exceedingly well in an academic discipline, but outside of that they can be utter dolts; pair academic excellence with outsized arrogance for being amongst "the smartest," and you get the kind of idiocy outlined in Salzman's latest piece.

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BookWench's avatar

Arrogance.

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LawCook's avatar

Projection: Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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Branson Edwards's avatar

I'm actually more in favor of tit for tat retribution ("reap the whirlwind") than I am for whacking folks for lying to banks. I was the same guy on the loans for investment properties, and my house. Same guy, same risk. The banks are among the U.S. institutions most deserving of our hatred (though the list of those institutions is long).

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Ellen Evans's avatar

Sauce for the Trump gander as sauce for the lawfare-initiating geese. Who of sense wouldn't relish the even-handed approach?

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Christopher B's avatar

It's not the 'same risk' from the bank's perspective. As Eric alludes above, you can only live in one house at a time. When push comes to shove you will give up on your mortgages for those investments first, especially since there are legal protections available to retain the residence you claim as primary.

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Branson Edwards's avatar

I've always been personally liable for all of them. Upon default on one, all would be attached. A premium for limited liability is obviously appropriate, but I would be surprised if members of congress stooping to lying on loan applications weren't cross-collateralized.

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Treeamigo's avatar

What about grocery stores, car dealerships, insurance companies? - we should steal from them, too!

Steal from everyone and lie to everyone, right?

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Blissex's avatar

«Steal from everyone and lie to everyone, right?»

That is the American Way! Be a winner or be a sucker.

Alexis de Tocqueville "Democracy In America" (1834)

«Consequently, in the United States the law favors those classes that elsewhere are most interested in evading it. [...] In America there is no law against fraudulent bankruptcies, not because they are few, but because they are many. The dread of being prosecuted as a bankrupt is greater in the minds of the majority than the fear of being ruined by the bankruptcy of others; and a sort of guilty tolerance is extended by the public conscience to an offense which everyone condemns in his individual capacity.»

Newt Gingrich "A new look at environmental policy" NAEP News, 1995:

https://aspace-uwg.galileo.usg.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/124552

«For most Americans the speed limit is a benchmark of opportunity. This is not a light insight. If you have a society where almost every middle class person routinely fudges the law, that’s telling us something. We have laws that matter – murder, rape, and we have laws that don’t matter. The first thing that every good American says each morning is “What’s the angle?” “How can I get around it?” “What does my lawyer think?” “There must be a loophole!” [...] America is the most incentive-driven society on the planet.»

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Branson Edwards's avatar

I get your point, but put insurance companies in the same bucket as banks: they enjoy institutional, bought-government monopolies and powers that inappropriately advantage them that grocery stores and car dealerships don't enjoy. We don't have to patronize particular car dealerships or grocery stores. We have to have bank accounts, credit histories, and insurance policies, all of which are gamed against citizens/ consumers. I therefore view banks, insurance companies and other like "institutions" as criminal enterprises, cartels, that we are forced to patronize, and so also view gaming them in response as more an honest citizen's act of defiance than stealing, since they are actively stealing from us. I'm suggesting that, since "voting the bums out" doesn't seem to work, selective enforcement might not always be a bad thing, and for now is probably preferable to the armed revolt prescribed in the Second Ammendment as the citizens' proper resort. Choose your poison: be taken advantage of inappropriately (sometimes lethally so), perform/ support small acts of defiance as a citizen, or grab a weapon and stand opposed. I'm in the middle, for now.

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Dark Legende's avatar

As always, the pendulum doth swing. Our ruling classes never seem to realize that they will be out of power someday. It amazes me how they never think that the other side can and will use the same tactics on them.

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madaboutmd's avatar

This is not unlike any "protection racket". Politicians have acted like mobsters since go.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Because the other side in general has not used the opposition’s play book… now they are. I’m curious to how long the liberal media will continue to carry their very dirty water

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Dave Osborne's avatar

Thank you Eric for a clear explanation of the situation. Yes, I would agree with your synopsis assuming all the facts are accurate. All 3 are guilty.

Since you seem to have been able to decipher and share the facts rather quickly, I wonder how long these cases will be in the court system. That will be interesting.

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Tim's avatar

What seems to be lost in all of this: whatever the motivation for the pursuit of the lawbreakers might be, they broke the law. I am confident there are a number of Republicans officials in the same or similar situations and should be equally pursued. Time to end the protection of the Political Class.

They want healthcare for Congress? Use the VA.

They want retirement pensions? Use 401(k)s.

No insider trading? Pass a law preventing the ownership of individual securities (save USTs) while in office. Same for staffers.

They want online privacy/protection of their personal information? Make everything “opt in” for ALL people.

They want to really enforce deportation of illegals? Hold the corporations employing those liable.

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BookWench's avatar

Agree with all of these, but also believe that spouses of Congress critters should be prohibited from owning individual securities, as well.

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EZTejas123's avatar

These people miss the easiest way to avoid all this “retributioning”. Don’t break no laws.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

There are more serious allegations against Letitia James: her mortgage application for a house in Virginia listed it as her principal residence, impossible since as NY Attorney General she is required to have her principal residence in NY. It also had her father on the mortgage application and identified him as her husband.

Those go beyond any good faith error and get into willful, outright fraud.

https://whitecollarfraud.com/2025/04/14/the-case-against-ny-attorney-general-letitia-james-to-date/

In Lisa Cook's defense, she's on the board of the Federal Reserve and cannot be expected to be familiar with complex topics like interest expense and mortgages.

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madaboutmd's avatar

You had me until "In Lisa Cook's defense...."

Nope. No defense. Hire an expert if you have the money to buy loads of properties.

Then again, maybe I'm misreading sarcasm.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

"Then again, maybe I'm misreading sarcasm"

You are indeed

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

😝😝😝😝

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BookWench's avatar

Ha!

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