Cutting to the chase: the end of private property, the end of capitalism. Ultimately, the state controls every aspect of your life...Venezuela. Read how "rule by decree" converted the richest country in SA to a place where people have been reduced to eating out of dumpsters. Marxism always goes hand in hand with corruption. The daughter of the late Hugo Chavez--the guy who ruined the place--has $4.2 billion in offshore banks.
Your response--essentially, I'm wrong without any substantive correction--is meaningless. Without substance. Put your gonads on the line if you're going to have a serious discussion, man.
Think of Marxism as a religion rather than a political philosophy and you will under stand it and itтАЩs proponents better. It is an ideal that cannot be reached, but that down not dissuade itтАЩs adherents because their belief is faith-based. Faith is what steps in when reason and evidence do not suffice. You cannot reason a person out of their faith, and it is a fools errand to try. You are тАЬwrongтАЭ about Marxism because you donтАЩt believe.
Actually no, but I'm sure that's what the Marxist religion teaches. The evidence is that free markets, properly regulated with social safety nets to take the hard edges of capitalism off, generally have led to rising standards of living and high degrees of personal liberty. While Marxist regimes have tended to produce Police states and uniform poverty for all except the political elite. That's history and you can empirically verify it, but again facts and evidence do not matter in matters of faith. Marx bless!
You are cordially invited to point me to a Marxist polity that has succeeded. Not a commune, a nation. Has to be (1) socialist economy (2) actually egalitarian (Castro died a multimillionaire) and (3) not a police state. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Unless you're gonna go with the old "never really been tried" saw. When you go there, that's religion. We know Jesus is coming back because the bible says so - sorta like that.
Capitalism has only ever worked well for roughly 30% of the globe due to the fact the other 70% need to be under bombs, sanctions, and be heavily exploited to keep the 30% experiencing the constant growth that keeps capitalism from concentrating the wealth into a tiny % of the ruling 30%.
What about being a Marxist is "beyond flawed?" The history of implementation has been a mixed bag, to say the least. Marxists got one global superpower out of it, which is pretty good. They also got a lot of hard failing states, which is less good. And even more stagnating states than we saw under capitalism, which isn't good either.
Except the failures were and are helped along by capitalists who don't want to give up their social status and out sized share of money, power, and prestige.
Cutting to the chase: the end of private property, the end of capitalism. Ultimately, the state controls every aspect of your life...Venezuela. Read how "rule by decree" converted the richest country in SA to a place where people have been reduced to eating out of dumpsters. Marxism always goes hand in hand with corruption. The daughter of the late Hugo Chavez--the guy who ruined the place--has $4.2 billion in offshore banks.
Am wondering whether the dumpster story is perhaps on the same level as the incubator babies story.
Your response--essentially, I'm wrong without any substantive correction--is meaningless. Without substance. Put your gonads on the line if you're going to have a serious discussion, man.
Think of Marxism as a religion rather than a political philosophy and you will under stand it and itтАЩs proponents better. It is an ideal that cannot be reached, but that down not dissuade itтАЩs adherents because their belief is faith-based. Faith is what steps in when reason and evidence do not suffice. You cannot reason a person out of their faith, and it is a fools errand to try. You are тАЬwrongтАЭ about Marxism because you donтАЩt believe.
Actually no, but I'm sure that's what the Marxist religion teaches. The evidence is that free markets, properly regulated with social safety nets to take the hard edges of capitalism off, generally have led to rising standards of living and high degrees of personal liberty. While Marxist regimes have tended to produce Police states and uniform poverty for all except the political elite. That's history and you can empirically verify it, but again facts and evidence do not matter in matters of faith. Marx bless!
You are cordially invited to point me to a Marxist polity that has succeeded. Not a commune, a nation. Has to be (1) socialist economy (2) actually egalitarian (Castro died a multimillionaire) and (3) not a police state. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Unless you're gonna go with the old "never really been tried" saw. When you go there, that's religion. We know Jesus is coming back because the bible says so - sorta like that.
Capitalism has only ever worked well for roughly 30% of the globe due to the fact the other 70% need to be under bombs, sanctions, and be heavily exploited to keep the 30% experiencing the constant growth that keeps capitalism from concentrating the wealth into a tiny % of the ruling 30%.
(hint) take look around.
What about being a Marxist is "beyond flawed?" The history of implementation has been a mixed bag, to say the least. Marxists got one global superpower out of it, which is pretty good. They also got a lot of hard failing states, which is less good. And even more stagnating states than we saw under capitalism, which isn't good either.
Except the failures were and are helped along by capitalists who don't want to give up their social status and out sized share of money, power, and prestige.
Perhaps you shouldn't implement something that can be made to fail by capitalists.