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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Narrative collapse is accelerating. The last shreds of MSM’s credibility are disintegrating, imploding like a house of cards. We have a unique window of opportunity to build golden bridges and deliver truth to many who are questioning in ways they weren’t before. Subvert the subversion of the empire of lies. We are the media now.

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Jonathan's avatar

I like your optimism; wish I could share it. The US intel community has not suddenly decided to play nice and support the interests of regular Americans. This is a strategic short term retreat.

The cockroaches did not suddenly become butterflies.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Yup, we've seen this movie before.

Faced with a setback, the neocons are not going to throw up their hands and say "Well, I guess you guys won, fair and square!"

They retrench and regroup, for if they are good at nothing else, they are masters of bureaucratic infighting. If necessary, they cheat and cheat massively, for they also are nothing if not cynical. See "Yes, Minister" for examples.

Declaring victory prematurely is one reason why we are in the state that we are in.

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Bob Morris's avatar

I will not declare victory over the neos (neocon and neolib alike) but they have at least been dealt a setback, even if temporary. The key is to make sure that Trump and company don't let it up and work toward meaningful change to reduce that neo influence.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I suggest not holding back until the neocons get a wooden stake through the heart.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Entire agencies have to be abolished - like the CDC, FBI, NIH and CIA. Don't try to "reform" them ... abolish them. (I might nuke them all "just to be sure.")

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Roger Hoffmann's avatar

I think it's regrettable to conflate CDC and NIH with the neocons of the security/intel/MICIMATT . No bureaucracy is perfect, as they reflect the foibles of their leadership. Yet I'd argue there's a world of difference between the charters / missions of public health agencies and that of the security state.

Oh, I know... the responses to the pandemic (including suppression of information about its likely origins and crafting of narratives that obscure rather than illuminate the truth) led to censorious efforts (at the very least). They left far to be desired. Yet, unless we want a world of "survival of only the fittest", "live and let die" (and unless there is a broad consensus about returning to that Medieval state), disease detection / prevention and health promotion seem to me essential services of any democratically-leaning governance.

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DaveL's avatar

Yes, and EPA should be restructured, and restaffed, but not abolished.

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Nobody's avatar

We could cut down drastically on carbon emissions by requiring them to travel in bat form instead of using private jets.

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Han's avatar

A sort of Nazgûl with the fetid stench and everything

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BookWench's avatar

I love that!

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Should the Zionist neocons be indicted for crimes against humanity?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Cat, please, they should be placed in irons and delivered over bodily to the mercies of the nations and peoples that they tormented.

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VideoSavant's avatar

I like that.

If there's no official justice, then mob justice it will have to be.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Well put.

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trembo slice's avatar

Good news Ms. Cheney! You’ve won an all expense paid trip to Iraq! We’re going to airdrop you in with letters explaining who you are and where your family wealth is from… if you can survive for as long as the longest J6 victim of yours we’ll try to get you out.

Don’t worry, they’re going to give you the Ghaddafi treatment.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

US first. they've been tormenting us, too.

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Rene Ruston's avatar

I would settle for stockades with all the mainstream media CEOs and hosts in the town square so we can throw rocks at them. Without the media propaganda machine, the house of cards comes down.

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Chris's avatar

I think a tar and feathering is more in line than rocks. A shame circle perhaps.

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Curling Iron's avatar

I like the traditional aspect of tar and feathering. I’m not a traditionalist but some traditions are worth keeping.

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Mike's avatar

How about the non-"Zionist" neocons? Do you have a punishment in mind for those neocons of non-semitic background?

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Curling Iron's avatar

Not to be annoying but Zionist and Jew are not always the same.

Many Jews are anti-Zionist.

Many Zionists are not Jewish.

It is that diabolical regime that wants the world to conflate the two.

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Mike's avatar

"Zionist and Jew are not always the same"

Correct. If only those who always throw around the word "Zionist" knew that. Or, assuming they do know it, if only they would use it in a non-dog whistle sense.

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"Diabolical regime," huh? Tough way to speak about Hamas. ;-)

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Shelley's avatar

My comment ended up under Mike (whew is he a doozer)

You are on the right side of this conversation. The Edomites have successfully used the terms Jew, Israel and Zion to their advantage. Jew first referred to those living in Judea established by Judah, son of Jabob (Israel). Edomites are the tribe of Esau, brother of Jacob, who God forced to the barren mountains and that tribe eventually roamed to what is now Turkey and into the regions in Europe. For protection they adopted the label of Jew. They are the banksters of the world.

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Shelley's avatar

You are on the right side of this conversation. The Edomites have successfully used the terms Jew, Israel and Zion to their advantage. Jew first referred to those living in Judea established by Judah,, son of Jabob (Israel). Edomites are the tribe of Esau, brother of Jacob, who God forced to the barren mountains and that tribe eventually roamed to what is now Turkey and into the regions in Europe. For protection they adopted the label of Jew. They are the banksters of the world.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Is there such a thing? Most people call them war mongers.

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Gogs's avatar

Special punishment for Nuland and her husband, please. Exile to a place far distant from the WH would be a good beginning.

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BookWench's avatar

Not all Zionists are Semitic.

All war mongers should receive the same punishment.

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Feral Finster's avatar

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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Mike's avatar

Is that "Zionist" sauce or merely the gentile variety?

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BookWench's avatar

Works for me.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Feral, come in. The neocons will just switch horses again. Then the Dems will pretend to be the pro worker, pro freedom, anti war party for a while.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Of course. That is sort of my point.

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I hate typos! Damn phone :)

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Feral Finster's avatar

The neocons already switched horses, starting off as Trotski-, then switching to Team R, then to Team D (recall the public conversions of Kagan, Boot and others).

They'd claim to be pan-africanists and simultaneously National Socialists and devotees of Kim Il Sung Thought, if that was what would get them the wars and empire that they so crave.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

thats right. they must be crushed.

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Patrick's avatar

"The cockroaches did not suddenly become butterflies."

One only needed to watch MSNBC's panel coverage of the Convention last night to know they are frantically skittering around, but they are settling in for the long haul. Hypocritical hyperbole abound. The smug, self assured sense of moral and intellectual superiority is laughable. Thanksgiving nightmares, all of them.

Yes, yup, yup yup, Trump is flawed, says stupid sh*t, it's bad on both sides, but he's looking like the lesser of two evils. Folks may just have to vote for the big lug again.

No matter who wins, one can only hope the republic somehow survives.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

It's the same people babbling. They haven't changed their thinking or world view. They never will. Avoid these people (like a REAL plague) at all costs.

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Debbz's avatar

Because it is the same thinking and world view of their paymasters who keep them in their jobs. I guarantee you if they were offered a better paying job babbling the opposite viewpoint and in a friendly conservative MSM setting overall, they would switch sides in a heartbeat. They sold their souls long ago, and therefore care not who feeds their elite lifestyles.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

That's a good or fair point. Still, it is a fact this socialist World-Government Woke ideology happens to align perfectly with their own political philosophies. So they are going to line up with the liberals and Democrats ... and, really, always have.

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Roger Hoffmann's avatar

There is certainly not a socialist world-government ideology suggested at all by the power establishments whether in the U.S., Europe or elsewhere for that matter. The power establishment represents concentrated capital ... nothing more. Neoliberals and neocons are effectively merged in service to that capital; and the LAST thing any of them want is socialism of any shape. Yes, the neoliberals profess to woke-ism; but I suspect it's hollow and done primarily for virtue-signaling and to neutralize dissent and systemic revolt among people who consider themselves socially liberal. It works the same way as the occasional economic crumbs thrown to, for example, students, or those struggling with drug prices. There will always be folk who's primary interest is in their own immediate welfare and who will sacrifice the future - whether of the nation or just other people broadly - in order to secure their own desires. (In this, the general population reflects the political class and vice versa).

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RU's avatar

I see them as warmongering authoritarians who will align with whichever team is acting the most authoritarian. Frankly, I think the old labels from the past carry too much baggage to be useful any longer. The current political parties around the world that most strongly espouse bigger/more controlling government are going to be their most natural home. The Dem party in the US has always been the ideological better fit for them. But, I guess they found common cause with the Bushes and Cheneys for a while. Helps when the head of the "family" was formerly the head of the CIA.

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Debbz's avatar

I'd say it may be more like 50-50 breakdown, possibly. As you said "Still, it is a fact this socialist World-Government Woke ideology happens to align perfectly with their own political philosophies." ....my thinking is they were easily brainwashed to start with (thx to the money), their thinking, and belief system is shallow enough to change, due to the same influence.

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BookWench's avatar

Eh, I don't know about some of these people.

Can you imagine Rachel Maddow at Fox News, attempting to show excitement over the JD Vance pick?

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Debbz's avatar

For sure, acting is easy, even if you are bad at it you get paid! lol

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

That's why a new word to describes these critters is so fitting...presstitutes.

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TeeJae's avatar

That's not new. Paul Craig Roberts coined it long ago.

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TWC's avatar

Well, they ARE a real plague!

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Han's avatar

They don’t have a world view. They are completely, totally, captured.

They look at their phones and repeat what they are told.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Yes, they do, it begins with $ and ends with $. That's their globalist worldview.

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Admiral Glorp Golp's avatar

Find me someone who isn’t flawed.

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TeeJae's avatar

Despite what the Establishment wants us to believe, this is NOT a "lesser of two evils" race. 51% of voters have left the duopoly parties and are now Independent. Polling 19% among black voters, 28% among Hispanics, 33% among Gen Z, and 38% among undecideds, RFK Jr is now a VERY viable contender. He's the ONLY one NOT bought & paid for, and is TRULY willing (ie, not paying lip service) to end special interest corruption in government, end forever wars, unite the country, and repair our standing in the world. A vote for either Biden or Trump will NOT accomplish any of those things.

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I've Got A Special Purpose's avatar

I think the good Comrade is referring only to the mockingbird part of the CIA's operations. They still have the color revolution playbook to fall back on. I predict a mass shooting somewhere, preferably (to them) somewhere like a mosque so as to maximize the division it engenders.

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Danno's avatar

I happen to think the retreat is genuine, and in no small part due to the hostility that after the assassination attempt, the crowd immediately turned on the stable of MSM reporters in the press area. People know something is up with them, and I love it.

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Sally Newland's avatar

I did not see the reaction to the press area. Was it included in the TV coverage? I was too horrified at the moment to watch everything. Words do matter, in case MSM thinks that they do not.

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Hawker's avatar

Yes there were some right at the stage and turning to the press box and giving them the finger and shouting FU at the press.

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BookWench's avatar

I was watching on RSBN on Rumble, & the crowd did turn around and start screaming at the press. I couldn't hear their words, but there were a lot of middle fingers up. An article the next day reported that they were yelling "This is YOUR fault!" I also detected a few "FUCK YOU's" just based on lip-reading.

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VideoSavant's avatar

They are going to do whatever they need to do to create a pretext for delaying the election.

Because delay is their only out now.

Martial law might be required to delay the election, but that only seems like an impossible thing because it's never happened before.

The Establishment has no problem making that happen, because for the Establishment the need is dire and once done, they can use it again and again.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Anything is now possible - that's the great lesson of our New Abnormal. Things we once thought were "impossible" ... will probably now happen.

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Curling Iron's avatar

This country is capable of anything. The ruling class has and will do whatever they have to

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Curling Iron's avatar

In some parts of my city it’s already martial law. They won’t need to declare it. They’ll just make it happen.

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BookWench's avatar

And the thing we really have to remember is that the people running this aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. We can all see exactly what they're doing. As the brilliant Neil Oliver noted, do they even realize that we can see what they're up to, or do they just no longer care, because they have so much power?

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Sue Kelley's avatar

Or a radical maga successfully assassinating Biden in a revenge killing that not only martyrs him but allows them to insert their new Manchurian candidate while prosecuting Trump for inciting the violence.

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BookWench's avatar

Or, as Alex Jones warned, Kamala could be hit by a guy wearing a MAGA hat, or there could be a shooting at a black church. Then they might declare martial law & suspend elections.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

The true power behind the throne.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

I know this: They aren't going to throttle back on the censorship. They are going to quadruple down. They HAVE to ... to cover-up all their past lies and crimes. Plus, they are no where close to finishing other elements of their New World Order/Great Re-Set. None of those initiatives can be brought to fruition absent wide-spread censorship of sane people and smart critics.

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Danno's avatar

The censorship hasn't worked out all that well. MSM readership and viewership are at all-time lows. Instead, they're using distraction by planting cycle-filling narratives like 'Iran has been planning to assassinate Trump' and 'where did the shooter get his gun and ammo' etc., etc.

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BookWench's avatar

They will be ably assisted by our dumb ass Congress Critters, who willingly chip away at our First Amendment, bleating about the scourge of "antisemitism." Watching interviews with Congress Critters at the convention is very disheartening.

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Julinthecrown's avatar

True, but the citizenry is more awake & aware than we've been in a long time. And I think those who do feel that way are channeling Howard Beale and shouting: "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore!"

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Curling Iron's avatar

The people are not more awake and aware. It’s only bozos like ourselves who believe it’s worth it to figure this shit out and do something.

I talk to regular Americans every day. Their concerns are shopping and eating.

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Julinthecrown's avatar

Sadly, I have experienced the same thing. But I'M aware of what's going on and you are clearly aware or what's going on. I believe that there are many, many others just like us more than there have been in the past few years. And while we are still in the minority, behavior is contagious.

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WI Patriot's avatar

I miss being ignorant but I caught this "contagious" insight : )

I look at the old stomping grounds of the Roman Empire and how they live their lives today and it's centered around friends and family. Also the landlords like to be paid in cash for rent which made me think how big is the underground economy in Italy? Are they starving the beast? To bad we don't have a New World to sail off too. Stay low, expose the corruption and support Matt. Spread the word.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Any society that has not rid itself of landlordism is not starving the beast.

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Michael M's avatar

I sort of disagree. The mask which they hid behind for decades is completely off. The only means for them to get back to what they had is through totalitarian methods (which is totally possible). By killing off Substack, X, Podcasts. However at that point it will just be like the old USSR “We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too”

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Nowhere Man's avatar

The mask isn't off for most. Or not for nearly enough anyway. Taibbi flogs this horse too, that people are now finally seeing through it. He should talk to some actual liberals. Maybe a few are starting to wake up, but in the main, they still swallow the daily diet of TDS they're spoonfed by their media.

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BookWench's avatar

Very true. I have relatives who insist that the assassination attempt was "staged."

I have friends who are sure that Trump is a virulent racist who will outlaw abortion nationwide & set up a military dictatorship. They're all stuck in their own media bubbles, & I don't know how to break them out. They are defiantly ignorant.

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

Agree, Jonathan. As Schumer once said on Maddow’s show, “they (intelligence co) have 6 ways to Sunday” to get you. Biden was visibly fighting the “IDEA” that Holt was suggesting he tone down the rhetoric. If they tone down the rhetoric they are left with nothing. The Emperor needs to parade around with at least the fig leaf of being clothed at his disposal.

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Toni Steed's avatar

Seems like we now have Musk/Thiel 2024. Into the digital gulag we go….. See Sage Hana substack re forensic crowd sourced analysis of shooting. BBC 9/11 vibe seeing it for first time. Fortunately I found the truth seekers couple years ago.

As I said earlier will be leaving when sub ends in two months.

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Jonathan's avatar

I searched for Sage Hana and could not find what you're referring to. Got a link?

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Patrizia's avatar

Yeah, please provide that link! I'm outa here tomorrow!

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Torpedo 8's avatar

This ain't the airport, no need to announce your departure.

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Patrizia's avatar

Uh—giving the reason for my desire for immediate info. I quite understand my comings and goings are of no interest here. 😀

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HeathN's avatar

This is the issue: can we trust what we read? We all need to think critically. Any president, Biden, Trump, Obama, etc... have to weigh their personal beliefs against that of the "establishment" or "deep state" (if there is even a difference). Trump didn't pardon Assange likely due to real consequences. Pompeo was still pretty close to the situation and that might have resulted in the first assassination attempt against Trump (who knows?). The swamp is dangerous, full of snakes, alligators, and mosquitoes.

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anonmom's avatar

Believe me, I more than most have reason not to believe what I read. Even the stories about when he bought the ammo, the ladder, got the gun. All could be wrong. But Trump as a guy who will drain the swamp? No way in hell

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Daniel's avatar

Thank you! What is with Taibbi's audience and this faith in Trump?

Trump is a slimy salesman who doesn't even give us a crappy used car that will work for a year or two. All that we get is more broken politics and trillion dollar deficits.

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HeathN's avatar

Hilarious. Can you not read? I never said Trump can drain the swamp. I explained, metaphorically, why. By the way, the world is FULL to the brim with slimy salesmen, yet you single out Trump. Your TDS needs treatment, lest it cause uncurable constipation.

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anonmom's avatar

My guess is the blue-red ratio here is 30-70 at best. That's fine with me, as Taibbi is the real thing and I myself am no longer blue. But over the past week I have heard multiple people - very cool, everyday sort of people - say they wish the bullet hadn't missed. They are never going to read Matt. That's where we are as a country, which is why I think "surrender" is off. On the flip side, the night of the attempt, I thought there was a fireworks display in my area. I'm sure you can figure out what was happening.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

We disagree with you.

That is "what is with" us.

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BookWench's avatar

Uh huh.

4 years of no new wars, affordable gas, food & utilities.

We were not on the brink of nuclear war with Russia, Iran, or China.

Other than those things, yeah. Sure.

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HeathN's avatar

One last comment about "draining the swamp" - RFK jr had a credible plan for how to do it. RFK jr IMO hurt himself with his running mate. Her background is very concerning. I don't think RFK has a legit shot to be elected, but I think he should have the right to be on the ballot in all 50 states.

Maybe Trump and RFK jr can work together in some capacity to drain the swamp. If I were Trump, I would ask RFK jr to be my Attorney General.

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BookWench's avatar

No, Bobby Kennedy should be in charge of Health & Human Services. He could clean the place out.

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HeathN's avatar

I never said he would drain the swamp. I gave an example of something we all wanted him to do (pardon Assange) and likely why he didn't do it. That goes with all swamp draining activities. He may do more this second time around though, considering recent events. Time will tell.

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anonmom's avatar

I don't we know why he didn't. It was Trump's admin that orchestrated his removal from the embassy.

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BookWench's avatar

I'm sure all the "Trump is an existential threat," "Trump is literally Hitler," "Trump will end democracy" talk coming out of the WH is pure coincidence. We shouldn't even mention the meme maker who is facing prison, or the hundreds of peaceful J6 protesters rotting in jail.

Yep, you're so right! The Deep State obviously LOVES Trump!

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I agree with jonathan: temporary retreat. Déclassé to be partisan in the shadow of the near assassination but they will be back with a vengeance. Probably after the Democratic convention.

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RRDRRD's avatar

I get your point but Trump is not the type to settle for winning only a battle and I think he has picked a VP who can finish a long term fight id required.

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Don Reed's avatar

Well said. Now see if Vance can survive November 3, 2024.

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Toni Steed's avatar

Wow. I’m listening to podcast & Walter just said he “raised a bloody fist.” That was Trump’s mistake. It goes fast however he fully opens & there’s zero blood.

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2 Cool 2 Fool's avatar

So what you suggesting - that Trump was faking it?

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Willy's avatar

I don't think you two are in stark disagreement on this, you both makes points.

Yuri isn't saying they will stop.

You're correct, the will to continue is still there. the roaches are even worse, their now radioactive roaches

but from a media perspective, Yuri's absolutely correct. they are disintegrating. They no longer have staffers that are competent, even if they wanted to reform. They have no staff nor management to do it.

Whatever the media agents do going forward is going to be ever more ridiculous and transparent.

I disagree with Yuri on an absolute that "we are the media now." maybe a nuance. they are still "the media" but we are now also a part of it and we are ascendent, whereas they are descendent. those facts and stats do bear in.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Absolutely correct Sir.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Taking the win in the face of Trump's amazing survival and show of courage, and the shift toward a return of truth/fact based unbiased American journalism, absolutely. Howsomever the viperous alphabet mafia is just recoiling to strike at American liberty again. It's time to pack it down tight. For six decades the American psyche has experienced body blow lie after betraying lie. We the people shouldn't drop our guard for a second.

Americans deserve: A solutions oriented truth/fact based national conversation and a healthy truth/fact based American reality free of lies, threat, manipulation and repression. Hold the line.

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Tim Hurlocker's avatar

A good start would be some transparency on why Crooks was able to get eight shots off, despite being in the counter-sniper's sights.

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GandalfGrey's avatar

My impression was that the agents in the video never had him in their sights because a tree blocked their line of sight. I saw no indication that they ever fired from that location. No one has identified the agent who actually stopped the assailant. Everyone assumes.

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William Taylor's avatar

How ANYONE was allowed to go on one of a handful of rooftops that are close to that venue is beyond explanation---a total security failure.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

According to an expert who performed an acoustic analysis, there were, I think, eight shots fired from THREE different rifles. Three came from the shooter on the roof. It seems the man on the roof closest to Trump only fired one shot ... That leaves four shots being fired by some other sniper(s), right?

So, yes, we don't know who actually killed that person on the roof.

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GandalfGrey's avatar

I'm not so sure the agents in the video fired at all. I see no smoke or recoil. They were obscured and not seeing the assailant they had nothing to shoot.

I think they had comms directing them to the roof but could not see that section. They looked dismayed. If they had him in view they would not have taken eyes off the scope.

Watch the video of the agents with that thought in mind.

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DaveL's avatar

Kind of how a firing squad works…

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GandalfGrey's avatar

See here. The agents on the roof had no line of sight. It was blocked by trees. That blocked view was a huge security lapse.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/16/16/87363329-13639613-Bullets_fired_from_a_manufacturing_building_roof_right_into_the_-a-89_1721144398509.jpg

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VideoSavant's avatar

Give me a break.

Not buying this nonsense.

A tree? Have you ever been outdoors?

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GandalfGrey's avatar

Did you look at the photo?

There is a tree between the Agents and the assailant's location. Much of the roof was obscured from that angle.

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Landru's avatar

5 shots from the assassin and three from the police snipers.

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Jonathan's avatar

We deserve for the Washington DC metro area to have a population of maybe 2 million. Send the rest of them packing. Then the nation would heal.

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rob's avatar

Dispersion of the central capital work force in a bipartisan matter that benefits red and blue would be helpful . Currently 15 percent of all federal workers are in the dc virgina area , consequently it’s one of the wealthiest areas on n the country

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DaveL's avatar

Didn’t know federal workers had that high of pay.

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rob's avatar

Its not just the Fed, there is a mass of Private contractors who while private business are effectively on the payroll as their contracts are connected to Government largesse. Throw in some NGO's and education facilities and you have a web of well paying jobs with perks privilege and benefits with the capital as the nexus point.

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BookWench's avatar

Oh, there is always enough money for unionized government workers & endless wars.

Never enough for regular Americans in Lahaina or East Palestine, or those living & dying on our streets, though.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

Move the capital to Topeka, more centrally located. Then you’ll see gnashing of teeth from all those lobbyists who would be upside down and suddenly devalued property

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BookWench's avatar

Or just disperse ALL federal agencies around the country. This is a huge country. Why should all the bureaucrats be concentrated in one place?

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MDM 2.0's avatar

it somewhat made sense...in 1790, when the US was mostly just the Eastern seaboard. I'd like someone to take a hatchet to all the gubmint agencies and reduce by about 80%...and that might be low

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Daniel's avatar

Americans are not going to get truth/facts and honesty. We will be electing a liar in Trump who is committed to huuuuuge military spending that is so bottomless even million dollar audits don't even explain where the money goes.

This is pretty simple: Follow the money. The money in Trump's term was a waterfall of $$$$$ into the pockets of the rich, especially his own family, and the corporations. We will get more of the same in the next 4 years.

"The shift of colonial power from European monarchy to global corporation is perhaps the dominant theme of modern history"--Wendell Berry

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

what a bunch of dogshit. biden literally printed trillions for the rich and wealthy and the wealth transfer manifested as inflationary theft not seen in decades. people knew they were better under Trump, their dollar bought more and went further. no amount of gas lighting will make a dent on that reality.

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Daniel's avatar

The Berry quotation comes from a 2002 essay that describes the American political system before Biden or Trump became president.

Just because the Dems are "surrendering" doesn't mean the Trump Republicans are going to suddenly betray their corporate owners. Four years ago, Trump was big time corporations all the time.

If you are sayin American government will suddenly and radically shift once Trump is elected, you are the only one gas lighting.

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BookWench's avatar

Yet, interestingly enough, Trump donated his presidential salary to charity each year.

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William Taylor's avatar

If that money goes toward defense rather than foreign entanglements it will be a start at least.

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DaveL's avatar

It occurs at a local level, too. We live in a rural area where wells are running dry, while cities not even that close to us are buying huge tracts of line from which they extract water to ship to their cities.

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Jason Nelson's avatar

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence co-operative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.” Carroll Quigley

Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time

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Tardigrade's avatar

I like the idea, but old habits are hard to break.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Every IMPORTANT "truth-seeking" organization is completely captured. The key to our French Resistance efforts would be to get at least one important "truth-seeking" organization that is willing to go apostate and report/investigate some truths.

Easier said than done, though.

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LYNN ROBERTS's avatar

This is RFK , Jr if you’ve not listened to his podcasts or long form interviews. He knows who the swamp monsters are and where the bodies are buried ..

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SGC's avatar

Excellent comment!!

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RU's avatar

So, have we maybe - finally - reached the point where the boy will have been allowed to cry wolf for the final time? Will the left side of the aisle finally figure out how much they have been lied to over the years (decades, actually) about almost everything? If the grand, bigliest wolf of all their wolves was just another fiction, will they now be more skeptical of those with power and those with megaphones for supporting power? Will this be the cause of the collapse of what was known as the "mainstream media?" One can hope.

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JournalismAsAWeapon's avatar

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled”

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

I don't think the left has the self-awareness to believe they were lied to, they believe TPTB didn't go far enough, fast enough. They never admit to any wrong it's lie, shift blame, accuse, rinse and repeat.

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Daniel's avatar

Trump has already delivered on some of the left's main criticisms.

Women in large parts of the country no longer have freedom over their own bodies, corporations are richer and stronger than ever, and our land disappears into endless sprawl and floodwaters.

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DaveL's avatar

Women are slaves now? Where’s that happening?

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Amusings's avatar

Trump is the only guy I know of that can be blamed for presidential actions without actually being president. Biden has been the one in office. The economy for the average American is in the toilet. Prices on food and housing are 40% higher. We are on the brink of 2 wars. We have 12 million people who have been flown in or allowed in who are killing Americans. Theft is through the roof in our stores. Our blue cities are collapsing. But it's Trump's fault? I'm a realist about his flaws but these things are the responsibility of the current administration. Period.

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BookWench's avatar

"Come on, man!"

Dems consider the lack of nationwide access to abortion up to the moment of birth a grave injustice.

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BookWench's avatar

Oh, FFS!

Is abortion all you ghouls ever focus on?

I'm female & abortion is NOT the major issue in my life, nor has it ever been.

I'm sure Planned Parenthood can devise a transportation scheme to help transport poverty stricken pregnant women to neighboring states for abortions. God knows, PP receives plenty of taxpayer dollars. And then there's all the money PP makes off selling fetal body parts to labs. . .

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Daniel's avatar

Uhh, I just mentioned 3 problems that BOTH occurred to me in 30 seconds AND should be serious problems for anyone who is interested in both individual freedoms and passing on a stable government to the next generation.

The Trumpies I have encountered here in my limited interactions are pathetic in their ability to understand and respond to arguments and different perspectives. I wish I could say I was surprised.

I don't vote on the abortion issue, but I think removing choice for women is a big deal and as a lapsed Catholic I know more than a few voters who really do vote largely on whether their candidate is pro-life.

And, of course, that is how we came to our present condition. Republicans--who looooove to talk about individual freedoms--have made a tireless and successful effort to overturn Roe and deny women the right to choose to have an abortion.

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BookWench's avatar

I am not a Republican; I am an Independent, & I have never been an activist on the abortion issue on either side. Women still have access to abortion in most states, & in those that don't, like AZ, they have put propositions on the ballot to address the issue. It should be left up to the states.

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rob's avatar

No

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

It is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Also, our Covid New Abnormal helped us identify all of the real villains. Let's use this intelligence to our advantage going forward.

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Reelin’ In The Fears's avatar

Does the Southern Poverty Law Center add the demise of the would be assassin to their list of “Law Enforcement Involved Shooting Deaths”?

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Was that fire chief and great family man who was horrifically murdered a victim of a "hate crime?" I don't think it was a MAGA supporter who committed this crime. Also, two people are critically injured and may or may not survive ... and will probably suffer life-altering injuries (like James Brady did in 1981).

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DaveL's avatar

“Hate crime,” like “race” underlies some of the biggest misconceptions current.

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Don Reed's avatar

07/16/24: 1) And here's the MSM in free-fall collapse, with Kristen Welker's death stare, a defensive reaction prompted by her knowledge that it was NBC's INCENDIARY LANGUAGE that led to an attempted assassination: https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1813056431928537521

2) Anyone else see the sh*tshow that Newsmax degenerated into last night, with Joe Schmitt (competent, horrified) staring at his co-panelists in complete disbelief?

3) Matt, you also were on Newsmax last night, and you did a great job. Speak your mind independently as always, even if it resulted in MSNBC/Rolling Stone et al trying to brand you as a "heretic." SCREW THEM. I'm proud of you. You are your own man.

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carily myers's avatar

me too

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Don Reed's avatar

Eric Trump: "Suddenly, CNN is being nice to me."

Much like the Post / Fox-Pravda groveling to get back into his father's good graces after its editor commanded (spineless) New York Posties in 2021-23 to slander / write Trump off as a loser (Toasties in 2025-26).

Oh, yes, CNN. Watch these turkeys get nailed by the Alvin York of 2024, Savanah (not sic) Hernandez:

https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1813431939765841985

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Only, Yuri, if we stick to the TRUTH.

We have been told many lies since Biden became President. The BIG LIE is still happening. Biden is obviously NOT medically sound enough to be running our country.

LIE # 2: who exactly is this committee that is running our executive branch? I would like to know their names. Is one person in charge?

The US voter has a right to this information. No matter what PARTY you support, you have a right to know exactly how your country is being governed.

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Bill Heath's avatar

The empire of lies. That says it all.

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catfish rushdie's avatar

Amazing to experience the rapidity of it all. I witnessed the bit-by-bit shredding of the official narrative during the late 'sixties, but nothing this rapid.

"There are decades in which nothing happens, and weeks in which decades happen."

I remember the week that Andy Warhol and RFK both got shot, and that seemed like a lot to process in a small time frame!

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Lynn's avatar

You are spot on Yuri. I couldn’t be happier. This is what is killing them. First it propped them up— so easy to control 3 media. Can’t control this form of news. We need to hold these people accountable to we the people…. Thank God for Elon

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Don Reed's avatar

Eric Trump: "Suddenly, CNN is being nice to me."

Much like the Post / Fox-Pravda groveling to get back into his father's good graces after its editor commanded (spineless) New York Posties in 2021-23 to slander / write Trump off as a loser (Toasties in 2025-26).

Oh, yes, CNN. Watch these turkeys get nailed by the Alvin York of 2024, Savanah (not sic) Hernandez:

https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1813431939765841985

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Boris Petrov's avatar

ALARMING – ALL indications are that Trump assassination was ordered:

https://rumble.com/v579890-trump-assassination-attempt-30-min-deep-dive-on-dhs-and-fbi-malfeasance-wnd.html

SAME players as J6 bombs planting – Trump Assassination Attempt - Strange Smoke Around DHS & FBI

https://rumble.com/v578rpv-trump-assassination-attempt-strange-smoke-around-dhs-and-fbi-w-chanel-rion.html

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The Runnymede Report's avatar

This is a great quote by Yuri Bezmenov: "We have a unique window of opportunity to build golden bridges and deliver truth to many who are questioning in ways they weren't before." Indeed, the MSM has no credibility whatsoever. In fact, they are experts at developing false narratives. However, their reach is greater than people know. They have colluded with a willing

judiciary of judges, prosecutors and state bar associations to puncture critical elements of the American republic. Who knew that they routinely do it through leaks and statements to remove the defendant's legal right to be presumed innocent. Take the example of the classified record case, apparently now on appeal. Legions have complained about how "serious" these allegations of classified record possession are. Yet, the greater the seriousness of the allegations means that the greater the defendant's right to be presumed innocent comes into play. Yet, the federal prosecutor, with the help of the news media, presided over strategic leaks of photos to incriminate Trump, the accused defendant. In an uncorrupted legal environment, the federal prosecutor would have been disbarred under the professional rules of conduct.

Yet, his overseers in the judiciary, including the state bar association were more than happy to commit professional misconduct of their own in allowing it. This truth needs to be delivered to the American public. It can be found in the latest Runnymede Report entitled: The Federal Protection Racket."

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Selenti's avatar

It's important to remember that these things are always temporary. This is a reconfiguration; the censorship and narrative complex will return stronger than ever, they are just gathering their forces for a better and more effective push. This may mean co-opting Trump and his movement in some way, or sabotaging them... as they did in 2016.

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Only

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TheUnderToad's avatar

“Listen to me Irish! I am the captain now!”

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Marty Holloway's avatar

The Republicans spent the last decade figuring who they would become and have settled on a pretty coherent populist vision.

Today’s Democrats are a coalition of special interests whose only unifying theme is “Get Trump.” They need to spend the next decade figuring out what they stand for.

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Matt Taibbi's avatar

This is the clear theme of this convention

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JBird4049's avatar

Remember when Bill Clinton asked where else (New Deal supporters) can they can go? His Democratic Leadership Council (the DLC) was removing the remnants of the New Deal Democrats as well as anyone not a supporter of Neoliberalism.

The Democratic Party has been economically conservative, perhaps anti national and anti progressive/populist for thirty years while increasingly socially deranged, which some Republicans are taking advantage of it.

Interesting times, isn’t?

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I wouldn’t call it deranged. I would call it disingenuous. OK. A big lie. Social identity kewlness without actual cost.

You solve homelessness by giving people housing - not calling homeless people “house less”

You address gender inequality by providing families benefits, tax credits, and health insurance - not by nominating an unqualified black woman (a two-fer!)

You address racial inequalities by investing in schools on a non-tax base basis and investing in education at all levels for all people, not through tokenism and dei programs.

Actual justice costs money. Identity bullshit is totally free!

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Danno's avatar

Giving people housing does not solve homelessness. Proper care (and re-instutionalization) for the mentally ill and substance abusers would be a good start.

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Ruth's avatar

Institutions for the mentally ill help people who are mentally ill. It does not solve homelessness. That mentally ill people are the problem is a false narrative. The number one cause of homelessness is lack of affordable housing. Half the country can't afford the rent on a one-bedroom apartment. Communities solve homelessness by creating housing and/or buying existing housing & renting it out at rates people can afford.

The commodification of housing is the problem. This is not a problem for the rentier class. The solution requires housing costs to come down and most folks who own property don't want the solution.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Actually - giving housing to people without houses actually solves homelessness. I have studies. You have opinions.

Now please go away.

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rob's avatar

Social deranged was a small cost for that corporate largesse and national security connections

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JBird4049's avatar

Exactly. In a very real way, their social positions were a façade to hide their economic agenda.

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Matt Brothers's avatar

30 years? This shift away from the New Deal Dems started after the '72 election

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JBird4049's avatar

True, the shift started in the 1970s; my hazy memory says that the actual very deliberate shiving in the back of the remaining New Dealers especially in the party leadership was due to the Clintons’ and their goons in the DLC during the late 90s.

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William Dean Thurmond's avatar

I love what you and Matt are doing. I really look forward to your perspective at the Democrat convention and how it compares to what you’re seeing in Milwaukee. Hunter would be proud.

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Kelly Green's avatar

It was obvious that it was happening, but now it's time to write the book and the Wikipedia page on the seventh party system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_System#Possible_Seventh_Party_System

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Sick and tired's avatar

Would Huey Long be welcome in this populist party?

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catfish rushdie's avatar

Only if he could be the Boss!

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QX's avatar

That's because the liberals and Dems have gotten basically everything they want. They've taken over all the institutions from government to corporations to education to healthcare, plus their infinite numbers of NGOs. We are literally living in the world they've been trying to create. What we found here is rampant crimes unchecked and violent criminals prioritized over victims, cities became unlivable with not only crimes but also homeless encampments spreading while we're forced to watch drug addicts die the most miserable undignified death (and they call that "compassion"), our schools going to hell with students can't read or do math but are indoctrinated into ideologies that make them hate our own country, deny biological reality and self-mutilate, plus producing a generation of kids and young people who are deeply and chronically depressed. And then we find chaos at our borders where our tax dollars are going to aid anyone who come in without restraint while our grocery, gas, and housing prices are soaring through the roof, not to mention the inhumanity of enabling cartels human trafficking and uncontrolled risks of terrorists entering. All this and I haven't even started on the loons protesting to support terrorist rapists or getting into our way to work or the airport while sticking us with crazy laws about what kind of cars or gas stoves we must use. And don't even get me started on censorship.

This. This is the world they've given us after they've succeeded in delivering all of their policies and vision. Now they don't know what more they can offer. Maybe literally imposing a Marxist totalitarian state. I'm continually baffled by how many Americans self-proclaim proudly to be Marxists and thing a communist world is utopia.

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Landru's avatar

We are far from a Socialist Gov. We are a Fascist Gov. run by Corporations. If we were Socialist, we would have healthcare, education for more than the wealthy. People with health ins. still end up filling for bankruptcy. Socialism doesn't include, Genocide and War, war on everyone. 20% of children are living in poverty. Marx was an economic theorist not a style of gov. Marx included Capitalism in the progress to Socialism then Communism. In the game of Monopoly there is only one winner and I doubt it's either of us.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

socialism and fascism are two sides of the same coin. fascism is merely socialism with the illusion of free market, and i agree, we are under fascism. socialism is not anything like an improvement.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I don't think you actually know what socialism is.

Several nations, including Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and Norway have thrived under social democracy. The government is accountable to the people, and the people are happy.

In the EU, over the last three decades, the social welfare state has been shredded, and the commons have been privatized as US pressure has enforced the neoliberal capitalist model. The populations are now sicker, poorer, angrier - the economies have not grown. They've shrunk.

Sadly, the US and the international monetary funds are now going after the Northern European nations now, and we are seeing the social fabric shred, an alarming rise in Neo-Naziism, and the loss of the populations faith in good government.

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Danno's avatar

Social Democracy is not socialism, it's a constitutional republic burdened by bloated bureaucracy, overly-generous giveaway programs and high taxes.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

And how have you come to this knowledge, Danno?

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Landru's avatar

So you would get rid of, Education or Highways or Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Military, Air Traffic control, TSA, EPA, Science, Agriculture, NASA, NOAA, ? which of these do you think people should do without. I don't live on the coast so please Coast Guard gone., I hate war, DOD gone, I don't fly Air traffic gone along with u.s. gov funding of Airports, I finished my education so we can have children who work at min wage jobs and export our higher ed needs to other countries, TSA same gone, I do want clean water and soil because you know companies do what they do anything they can get away with. I work in Astrophysics so NOAA and NASA I want. What do you want to delete, Highways? Sure I don't need much.

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LosPer's avatar

Culturally, you've gotten what you want...except that opposition and the Constitution stood in your way around real nationalization and the outright abrogation of property rights that would be required to complete your fetid political objectives.

That's why most socialist/communist states HAVE to be authoritarian: you can't force a society to slit it own throat completely. You have to tie it down and tell it that its pain is for its own good.

Collectivism is evil. Your "compassion" is misplaced. Focus on making the pie bigger for everyone, and encourage an ethic of private compassion, giving, and charity, instead of trying to use government to implement it at the point of a gun.

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Landru's avatar

Unfortunately in your ideal Capitalist gov. 99% of us don't get that share of the pie let alone a bigger pie in a shrinking world. Sorry, you lose.

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Stuart Hill's avatar

The mistake is thinking that the soviet union, China etc were actually socialist. The closest the world ever came to a socialist state was probably in the post war western democracies, which helped bring about lots of things we cherish today.

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Landru's avatar

If you read carefully, I didn't say anything that you attribute to me. Marx actually said to Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky the project of Communism in the Soviet Union would fail not having gone through his steps of Serfdom, Capitalism, Socialism to Communism. Marx seems to have been right in the progression. The closest thing we in the u.s. have to Communism is the u.s. Military, education, healthcare, housing and wages. Mao's project is still at work having had to retreat occasionally. We in the u.s. have decided to retreat to Barbarism. We failed the tipping point.

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Danno's avatar

We are a Constitutional Republic which has been corrupted into a banana republic by a secretive, permanent shadow government.

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Landru's avatar

You mean Fascist.

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nedweenie's avatar

They think having a "Marxist" identity will protect and serve them while sticking it to those meany "capitalists". And "fascists", of course. They don't see that the autonomy, consumer choices and civil rights they blithely enjoy today will disappear for them the second their utopia becomes reality. They really need to speak to real people who escaped communist countries (instead of each other online) before wanting to impose it here.

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QX's avatar

They aren't serious people. They're just people who take themselves too seriously. So cool. So counter-cultural. "I'm a Marxist." I'm superior to you all and holier than thou. I'm a radical thinker who think about deeper things than you average people who just go to work to make money to feed your families.

At the end of the day, they're just snobby elitist nitwits.

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nedweenie's avatar

There's that too!

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Curling Iron's avatar

I’m sorry they were mean to you. You don’t deserve that.

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QX's avatar

You ok, hun? Your reply sounds a bit nutty.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I love my consumer choices, man! I can choose over 100 breakfast cereals! (All owned by the same 2 manufacturers, produced with grain made by one giant agro consortium!)

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catfish rushdie's avatar

Well put. They've got it down to a science diet - It's the many brands of pet food made from the same material from the same warehouses that make me feel most proud to be a Consumer!

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Richard Thomas's avatar

You could be talking about the UK.

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J Boss's avatar

Europe is actually 3-5 yrs ahead of the US. To some degree, we have benefitted from watching their collapse.

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BookWench's avatar

That's only because Hillary was supposed to win in 2016. That's one of the main reasons they're still so apoplectic over Trump.

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DaveL's avatar

We could benefit, but it hasn’t happened yet.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Going off!

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Watchakaman's avatar

Im no Democrat but I'm telling you they had better come up with something good because we can't afford to let the MAGA-ists run the country with zero counterweight. A good conservative movement and a good liberal one working together for the common good would be great but that's asking too much I'm afraid

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CC's avatar
Jul 16Edited

The Democrats have done this to themselves. It's hard to feel sorry for them. They have been running off-track for so long....it would be tragic if it/they weren't so sinister.

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Kathy Hix's avatar

The problem is that what the Democrats have done "to themselves," has also left the rest of us in a dispiriting limbo.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

So true!

When collectivists are in the majority, freedom-loving libertarians (classical Capitalists, not crony) are taken along for the lousy wealth-destroying ride.

Turns out, democracy run by Democrats sucks.

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LosPer's avatar

PREACH!

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Landru's avatar

I love what the Republicans have done. What was that? Iraq? humm

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Danno's avatar

It might help if they respected their voters enough to have real primaries.

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Gilgamech's avatar

The Democrats have vacated the spot. Anyway the grid has moved. It's no longer left-right, it's populist-elite, with the Democrats egreguously oozing "elite". If you want to create a counterweight it's going to need to be built more or less from the ground up.

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Nowhere Man's avatar

I agree that the important fight now is populist vs elite or if you like libertarian vs authoritarian, but I don't think the R's are going turn out to be as populist or libertarian as one might think. They're using populism as a vote-getter but beyond that I'm skeptical.

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Danno's avatar

Trump occupies the middle ground, and is dragging the GOP with him. Any Republican candidate who continues to spout the neocon narratives may as well join the Democrats.

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Nowhere Man's avatar

Meet the new boss...

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Curling Iron's avatar

And the populists are lead by a billionaire real estate tycoon.

Disagreements are in the margins. The goal is agreed: get your bag and fuck everyone else.

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ElJefeCabron's avatar

Example of the last “good” liberal movement? I’d maybe suggest they were leading the anti-war movement back in the early 200s. But even that faded once Hitler Bush moved on and it was a Democrat bombing the shit out of Muslims. They became mostly cool with it. Maybe liberal movements are all insincere and ultimately about power. They were marching against Bush then. Like now they march and riot against Trump while supporting lies like Gaza and BLM.

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baker charlie's avatar

There were a lot of us who were anti-war. Many of these were arrested for protesting that war outside of the offices of their 'Democrat' reps and senators (who in my area are still in office to this day). We gave up protesting/party membership/ letter writing because the D's did nothing about the war when they had the majority (keeping that powder dry) and most of us dropped out of the party when Obama escalated the wars.

I do agree that there were quite a few dems who seemed to be OK with war when it was their guy. And there were quite a few who walked away when that happened. The core of the anti-war group had integrity, but there were the types then as now who find such protest fashionable and have moved on to continue cheerleading their 'team'.

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Doctordel's avatar

Bingo, brother.

It’s ALL insincere, ultimately. Oh, sure, they WANT to believe what they scream at rallies and smugly utter at dinners. But it’s all about power. It always was.

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Christopher Smith's avatar

All the democrats had to do was stiff their corporate donor class and make the economy work for regular people while dialing back the obnoxious parts of DEI culture. They are genetically incapable of doing that, though. They want that cheddar, and the working class can't provide it.

In a way it makes sense though. When the Dems get mauled in the elections, the ones who lose their seats will get their think tank sinecures or lobbyist positions and be a-OK.

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Sghoul's avatar

I wouldn't say genetically incapable. I would say that they dug too deep. They are now built upon those DEI and corporate donors. To give them up would leave them with nothing.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Liberal - YES!! Leftist, Maoists, Stalinists, and Fascists - NOOOO!!

How many liberals in politics can you name?

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Stop Being Lied To's avatar

Bernie Sanders?

Tulsi Gabbard, had she not been driven from The Party for being liberal, and out of politics because they make her sick!

RFK Jr. ? Manchin maybe?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Bernie Sanders is not a liberal, he's a self-professed communist under socialist covering.

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JBird4049's avatar

Democratic Socialist, not communist.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Comedy gold. What's a Democratic socialist? A communist pretending a single party system run by a few select bosses is Democratic.

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Joe Pusztai's avatar

I admit it sounds more benign than Communism. It’s even got the word “Democratic” in there, as in “German Democratic Republic”.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Like the German Democratic Republic?

Or LA Mayor Karen Bass, who scuppered her chance at being Biden's VP by her lavish praise of Fidel Castro

They can call themselves "democratic XYZ" but if they approve of govt directed big-tech censorship, legal harassment of political opponents, canceling dissenting voices, then it's as credible as the claims on a box of cereal.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Oh please! He calls himself that w/o really defining it. His little two minute video left me with more questions than answers

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Nowhere Man's avatar

If Bernie Sanders is a communist, pretty strange how he does nothing but support and give cover to the capitalists.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

For $100 Alex, what is a Penthouse Bolshevik?

Bernie Sanders

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Curling Iron's avatar

He must be doing that as part of the communist plot to poison our essences.

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Landru's avatar

Wow, so clueless you are. I would suggest reading however, I doubt that would help you. I am just happy I don't know you.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Anti-communism. Something that unites all Americans.

I have made a figure of my fear: a dark skinned Arabic trans athlete immigrant who is a communist environmentalist that teaches children how to read.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

“ Anti-communism. Something that unites all Americans.”

All?

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Curling Iron's avatar

I love this thread. Such a throwback. Like a John Birch Society meeting.

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Freedom Lover's avatar

How so?

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Freedom Lover's avatar

RFK certainly. Manchin probably. Tulsi has potential if she educates herself in economics

Bernie is a commie, just like his favorite Russian Socialist Democratic Workers’ Party, Bolsheviks in short, were.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Actually the current DSA is decidedly Kautskyist.

But hey, none of you know what you’re talking about so cool!

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Freedom Lover's avatar

Always great to talk with erudite people.

Well … because you know what you are talking about, enlighten us what makes current DSA Kautsky-ait, please.

So we are on the same page, clarify what YOU are referring to, when you mention DSA, please.

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SpC's avatar

Depends on what you mean by 'Liberal' doesn't it...

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Torpedo 8's avatar

Daniel Patrick Moynahan, Skip Jackson, Jack Kennedy. Wait, they're all dead...

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David Otness's avatar

"Scoop" Jackson, btw. And now a if not 'the' patron saint of the neocons.

Legacies can be troubling long past their supposed shelf date. The loonies have mal-appropriated Jackson to serve as their banner.

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Danno's avatar

Ron Paul.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Maoists would be great. I know a lot of people that would enjoy killing the landlords.

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BookWench's avatar

Look at all the Dems who were posting stuff online about how it was too bad the shooter missed killing Trump.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Well, they’re probably all landlords too lol

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Bradley Lacke's avatar

I think you got that backwards

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LosPer's avatar

The current Democrat globalist ambitions and cultural priorities CREATED MAGA.

Bill Clinton created the germ for this through globalization and deregulation under Greenspan. Then, the Academy became your new priests, and wrote the new bible around social justice informed cultural progressivism, to be deployed through government schools, as they seeded the elite with true Marxists who hate America.

Trump is the result of Democrat economic and cultural over-reach.

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Curling Iron's avatar

“Globalist”

Hell, yeah. One world government and all that?

I remember that film too, Left Behind.

So are we in the Tribulation? Or like right before?

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Landru's avatar

When have they worked for the common good? Vietnam? Iraq? Libya? Ukraine? 22 Trillion of the debt is DOD. In two weeks 35 Trillion roll over, financed at 5yr avg. maturity

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Danno's avatar

I'm happy with the MAGA movement. I'm not quite ready to wear a red MAGA ballcap, but almost.

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SparkLord's avatar

Will you be voting for RFK Jr? I will.

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Reelin’ In The Fears's avatar

Yeah, no, that’s why we are thirty trillion in debt. No thanks.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Liberals made the big debt. Are we doing throwback Tuesday now?

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Landru's avatar

In three weeks the total will be 35 Trillion. 270k per citizen.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Fuck that. I ain’t paying shit.

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Sue Kelley's avatar

That ship sailed before most of us were born

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

They have never stood for anything, but selfishness.

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Landru's avatar

Please, you have no idea what you are talking about. Socialism is just that the social good. The game of Monopoly has one winner and a clue for you, it's not you.

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LosPer's avatar

Socialism is slavery of the most capable to the lowest common denominator. It is neither effective, nor moral. Which is why most attempts at large deployments of the ideology - within a generation, turns into an authoritarian hell-hole.

Most people won't slit their own throats willingly.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

The greater good or as you so childishly put it "social good" is a well known trope of the Marxist agenda.

The game of Monopoly is just that, a game. The game of life has many winners and a clue for you, you are not winning.

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Landru's avatar

You prove my point as a selfish lonely goof. Bots are like that.

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Danno's avatar

Donald Trump figured it out for them. Without him, the GOP would have continued to play the Washington Generals to the Democrats' Harlem Globetrotters.

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LosPer's avatar

Actually, Trump pulled a Bill Clinton: he co-opted elements of the 90's Democrat agenda and took over the R party under a banner of patriotism, which Democrat ceded.

If Trump wins, he will be the leftmost R president since Eisenhower and Nixon.

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Richard Thomas's avatar

Hah. Speaking from the UK, that's just what happened here. The Conservative party have basically imploded to the point where they no longer have a clue what they stand for, and the country kicked them out. They'll need to spend a long time in the wilderness and may never come back.

Like many here I have huge fondness and respect for the American people (well, around half of them anyway) and I really hope you can capitalise on these events.

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Nowhere Man's avatar

Assuming they're going to get as trounced as it seems like they will in November, would probably be better to just let the Democratic Party die the death it so richly deserves and start something new at this point.

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Indeed.

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Bizarro Man's avatar

Make no mistake. Unless the populists are somehow able to clean out all the time servers, whores, organization men, thieves, sex maniacs, etc., the GOP will remain part of the Uniparty and block any progress toward reform.

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Chris's avatar

I think they have more than just get Trump in mind. Dismiss and displace Male , Pale and Stale seems like a long term plan. Trump is just an obstacle.

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Jonathan's avatar

It's a strategic detente, nothing more. Shitty people will not suddenly have a change of heart. They will, however, act to preserve revenue streams and careers. As soon as it feels safe for them, the cockroaches will scurry back out.

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Mark's avatar

I agree. This is not over.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

It has to be a deep purge. We could get rid of all the CEOs and board members of the Fortune 500 companies (all group-thinking morons), but the mid-level executives who would replace them are just as awful and just as brain-washed.

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brast's avatar

Morons? Those guys make a bunch of people a bunch of money and I'm grateful.

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

They are "useful" morons.

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Sorry, Bill.

You only get to change politicians, if you focus and are a bit lucky.

CEOs and board members are protected in a Democracy, just like we all are.

Focus!

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Mark's avatar

You have to change hearts and minds. Might be worth looking into certain CEOs though....strange coincidence how the shooter was in that commercial...............

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Many unanswered questions about the ladder feet from the point of the roof where Crooks seemingly gained access ... and the five-foot ladder he reportedly bought at Home Depot that morning - which has never been discovered.

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/a-ladder-could-be-smoking-gun-of

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One positive thing about the hyperpartisan echo chambers is that there is very little crosstalk, so the lies, deceptions and falsehoods from the Left rarely register in conservative circles. That’s not necessarily a healthy thing, as no-one has a monopoly on the truth, but the Great Narrative Collapse that began after Biden’s horrific debate is making more and more people ask themselves: “If they lied about that, what else have they been lying to us about?” There are multiple smoldering MSM narrative fires ready to burst into flame: the COVID “vaccines are safe and effective” hoax, the “planet is on fire” climate hoax, the “most secure election in history” hoax, the “Trump is an existential threat” and “January 6 was an insurrection” hoax, the “Putin won’t stop with Ukraine” hoax, the “IDF is committing genocide” hoax, the “gender is a spectrum” hoax, et al. The real question in my mind is what the MSM will do in response. In the short term, they have been doubling down on their past lies, but eventually they will have to begin the long, hard journey to regaining the public’s trust.

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Mark's avatar

The "most secure election in history" and "January 6th was an insurrection" hoaxes are the two easiest and quickest hoaxes to dispel. Doing that will recontextualize EVERYTHING in the minds of the public. Still not sure about the covid vax truth coming out. RFK would need more secret service protection than Trump if he were named head of HHS and I doubt he could ever get confirmed in the Senate anyway (republicans are bought off too).

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Man, I could have written that post (and have many other times, including with some of my own Substack articles). Thanks!

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Joe Pusztai's avatar

Great question. It’s analogous to asking when will Hollywood start making enjoyable movies that people want to watch again, instead of preachy, woke, unprofitable dreck? From a business perspective it doesn’t add up, but they seem determined to stay the course on their race to the bottom. So be it - instead of the mainstream media and entertainment industries being the primary American cultural influencers they have been for the last century, they will calcify into a small, mean rump with a tiny audience of alienated, bitter people. Call it the Martha Raddatz Effect :)

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Joe, please subscribe to my Stack and start making some of these great posts at my site too!

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Joe Pusztai's avatar

Will do - after all, we are the media now 😀

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Curling Iron's avatar

The Hollywood studios had something like this happen before. All the heads were really old and had no idea what people in 1970s wanted to watch.

Their solution was to just start green lighting all kinds of movies. That was a golden age for American cinema (we are blessed with more than one golden age!)

There are a few things going on with film production now that are fairly new.

There are more productions here and abroad that do not depend on the Hollywood system. Investment in cinema houses is low so fewer screens, fewer dollars. Recent changes now allow studios to own movie theaters. As a moviegoer this stinks but it will probably make studios more money.

There are exceptions to these trends. Disney makes a fair amount of what I imagine you would describe as “woke” movies. And they sell big time. I find pedantic films exhausting but in this age of “live your best life” managed existence, people love that shit. They love it here and abroad.

A bright spot in these disheartening cinema going times is that I have access to films from all over the world and every era.

I guess for now we gotta take our lumps.

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Joe Pusztai's avatar

Indeed, thank God we have a catalog of great movies and music to fall back on. I’m not taking any chances, either - I’m keeping my CDs and DVDs. My sense is the next few years will be a critical inflection point…

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"As with the Secret Service decision, MSNBC was making a major admission, essentially telling audiences its lead morning news show is either not really a news show, or that its format only holds up under something less than maximum scrutiny. I can’t recall a similar act of self-sabotage in media."

Remember when MSNBC (owned in large part then by General Electric) pulled Phil Donahue for his opposition to the War On Iraq? IIRC, he had the most popular talk show on TV at that time.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

And Jesse Ventura’s show as well. They ended up having to pay him millions of dollars due to contractual obligations.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Bill Mahr got fired from ABC for the same reason.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Phil was fired immediately.

Bill’s show continued to air for about 9 months after his politically incorrect statements a couple of weeks after 9/11:

one of Maher's guests, Dinesh D'Souza, said "These are warriors. And we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world. And so - I mean, I'm all for understanding the sociological causes of this, but we should not blame the victim. Americans shouldn't blame themselves because other people want to bomb them."[5] Maher agreed, and replied: "We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, [it's] not cowardly."[1] Similar comments were made by others in other media.[1]

Advertisers withdrew their support, and some ABC affiliates stopped airing the show temporarily.[1] White House press secretary Ari Fleischer denounced Maher, warning that "people have to watch what they say and watch what they do."[6] Maher apologized, and explained that he had been criticizing U.S. military policy, not American soldiers.

He lost advertising but ABC kept it on air. He was getting awards and nominations as well.

He is now one of the world’s foremost Islamaphobes.

But people are complicated. In a cause dear to my heart, he has been a sheer force of nature in his opposition to vivisection.

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GB HeBe's avatar

Thanks Matt for including PA firefighter Corey Comperatore as the ultimate victim of the horrific assassination attempt Saturday. The death of this great man underscores the unanticipated consequences of rampant hate in our formerly great nation.

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Sandra Pinches's avatar

There were two additional victims originally reported to be in critical condition. Their names haven't been released and I haven't heard if they are recovering.

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Sandra Pinches's avatar

Thanks! I saw after I posted the above comment that the BBC named them.

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baker charlie's avatar

I am glad Matt said his name. The evasion of the actual identities of the dead and wounded has done nothing but fuel gross speculation as to the reality of the event.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Any update on the two that were wounded.

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rjt's avatar

The Morning Joe team threatened to quit if they're pulled again.

How quickly can this be arranged?

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Torpedo 8's avatar

Maybe when they quit they can join their local HOA, I think that might be their calling.

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carily myers's avatar

lol, like

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Wouldn’t that be lovely

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Tardigrade's avatar

Dang. I thought he meant the show got canceled.

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Rebecca Jones's avatar

Really! Your terms are acceptable.

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Curling Iron's avatar

You mean to tell me they got a whole team putting that shit together? MSM really is circling the drain.

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An Inconvenient Truth's avatar

I must not get part of what's going on over there.

Aside from an entirely-symbolic "you can't fire me, I QUIT!", what difference does it make (certainly to the public) if they quit or are cancelled?

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Aaron S's avatar

Don't worry, despite his garbled speech Sunday night, President Potato Head remains determined to not change a damn thing about his messaging on Trump. His Lester Holt interview was one for the ages. "I know I said to turn down the rhetoric, but I didn't mean ME. Everything I say is obviously true. I meant the other guy should stop saying stuff that I can lie about and misrepresent to a degree that losers with a room temperature IQ decide to take a shot at him."*

* "Look", "The idea", and "Guess what?" omitted for clarity

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Gilgamech's avatar

This will be settled in the battle boxes.

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Aaron S's avatar

He might be more right than he knows. Did you see the white house corrected it to read "battol" boxes?

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Gilgamech's avatar

No, that's hilarious.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Oh Lord help us

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An Inconvenient Truth's avatar

I could go for a bento box....

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

Are you Noot Gingamesh?😂

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Gilgamech's avatar

Sadly no relation. 😁

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deathcap's avatar

battlebox just makes me think of the battlebots arena.

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Ralph Marston's avatar

You forgot “No, it’s true.”

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Kevin Schilling's avatar

And, "No Joke!"

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Reelin’ In The Fears's avatar

There was a “Come on man” in there as well.

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Aaron S's avatar

Damn you're right. And "Not a Joke".

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

Potato Heads across the land object to your characterization of POTUS as one of them…

They do share the first three letters of their name with him, though - never noticed that

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Bill Cribben's avatar

Matt you are the First Amendment’s best friend but the swamp will not go quietly.

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Curling Iron's avatar

No, Matt is the first amendment’s rebound after the failure of the First’s long term friendship with the ACLU.

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Matt330's avatar

It’s not just the Democrats. Loud shrieking and clattering of keyboards can be heard all throughout neocon land from National Review to The Bootlick over a Trump/Vance ticket. You could write psychology papers over watching the five stages of grief in real time.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I admit that it is satisfying watching the european political class have a meltdown.

Slaves who have been slaves so long that they have come to love their chains.

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Matt330's avatar

Did you ever see Vance set off a bunch of NATO fanboys by trying to calmly explain the concept of “logistics” to them?

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KHP's avatar

No, sounds amusing though. Got a link?

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Matt330's avatar

It’s happened several times but I don’t really have a link off the top of my head. This except from a recent Politico article is a pretty good summary of how it usually goes.

“We simply do not have manufacturing capacity to support a ground war in Eastern Europe indefinitely. And I think it’s incumbent upon leaders to articulate this for their populations,” Vance told POLITICO’s Global Playbook. “How long is this expected to go on? How much is it expected to cost? And importantly, how are we actually supposed to produce the weapons necessary to support the Ukrainians?” he asked.

In the hallowed halls of the Bayerischer Hof hotel in Munich such talk was sacrilege — the annual Munich Security Conference has long been the champion of transatlantic defense and security cooperation, frequented by such U.S. foreign policy luminaries as the late John McCain and President Joe Biden, who strongly believed in the ‘rules-based international order’ that governed transatlantic relationships in the decades after World War II.”

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Curling Iron's avatar

I hope he understands that arms production in the US has a very very long tail…it is built to make money not be efficient.

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Curling Iron's avatar

Europeans don’t believe in anything anymore. Macron is the perfect example and consequence of this.

We Americans may live in hideous cities, shoot eachother during endless traffic jams, make war to make money, never read books, can’t have a conversation about anything complicated, are fat, depressed and violent but at least we BELIEVE in our sinking ship!

#HoustonStrong

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Feral Finster's avatar

At least an American can say that it is our dollar and our evil empire. Europeans abase themselves for these but get none of the benefits.

Students of Culture may recall the little yappy dog who follows Spike The Bulldog around in the Looney Tunes canon, singing Spike's praises and getting slapped around any time Spike feels mean. Europe is that little yappy dog.

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carily myers's avatar

lol, like

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John Kirsch's avatar

I wouldn't bet on the Democratic/media Borg surrendering.

These people have done an enormous amount of damage by being relentless. I suspect that they are simply regrouping.

Maybe they've decided that keeping control of the presidency is out of reach and are concentrating on down ballot races that are easier to steal.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

The IC has deeply inserted their proxies in just about every media organization.

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carily myers's avatar

not "just about"-ALL

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

All the major ones for sure.

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SpC's avatar

"These people have done an enormous amount of damage..." but you forgot to mention the ginormous amounts of money they've collected in their doing these United States a grievous injustice.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Oh it’s not over. I’m just not creative or evil enough to keep up

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rob's avatar

They are trying to figure out the okay since Trump as Hitler has to be toned down , my guess, Trump will say something allegedly inflammatory and they will attack k him for dissipating all the good will

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Strovenovus's avatar

Thank you Matt. Your observations & insights are invaluable. But don't call the surrender too quickly. The swamp creature will squirm and rise again as in any American horror movie.

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earthy.bookworm's avatar

Kennedy would be wise to keep his private security in place, in addition to the long-deserved Secret Service protection he's finally receiving. As a Kennedy supporter, I thank you for pointing out the motives behind Biden's previous denials.

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Yes, we now know who was in charge...not Mayorkas saying NO to RFK.

It has been "Biden's Committee" all along. When do you think these Democrats will be exposed. Anyone know their NAMES?

Are we allowed to know their NAMES?

Keeping Biden's condition hidden from US voters is

THE BIG LIE.

BIG LIE #2 is "Who exactly is running the executive branch"? Do we have the right to know or NOT?

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Jonathan's avatar

I appreciate your emphasis on knowing the names. That may be the biggest problem with having a cabbage for President. Whether you agree with a leader's politics or not, how different would it be if we had a truly accountable leader?

I despised Obama, but at least he had a functioning brain and enough ego to avoid letting things go truly off the rails. If you're merely the hand controlling the sock puppet, why should you care how big of a mess you make?

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Nowhere Man's avatar

Enough ego? If Biden has anything left, it's definitely his massive ego.

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Jonathan's avatar

Yes. The problem in Biden's case is the lack of functioning brain.

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Curling Iron's avatar

For real.

Honestly though. Anyone who wants to be president must have a massive ego.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

I suspect there’s a group or committee as suggested which is why we are in such a mess. You know, you get your deal, I’ll get mine, etc.. to many chiefs

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Good point!

If you have ever run a business you are aware of how committees work.

There is a need for an individual executive to make fast decisions and openly accept full responsibility for those decisions.

More than inefficiency, what bothers me is the

BIG LIE. Who made the decisions to put Biden where he is? They had to have known his condition.

Obama or Clinton are certainly the usual suspects. Both are more than capable of lying. Trump's exaggerations are a joke compared to what we have been told since Biden's bid for the presidency.

Fate is fascinating. Lies open some very bad doors.

Democrats and their media friends seem to be going through those doors.

It's happening faster than I expected.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

You are fooling yourself. Mayorkas is part of Biden's committee and he is Zionist all the way to the bank. He's up to his eyeballs in oppressing this country.

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Not at all saying he's not guilty. The entire "committee" needs to be exposed and 'run out of town'.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

I would love to know who or whom was really elected president

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

That will never happen. We STILL don't know how JFK was assassinated.

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Curling Iron's avatar

I have the same question since he started.

Also: given his diminished capacity, how the fuck is he still the president? Is everyone that afraid of Lock Up Their Parents Kamala?

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Rebecca Jones's avatar

This. We want names!

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Nowhere Man's avatar

It would be great if Kennedy came out and said, "Hey Joe, about that Secret Service protection... no thanks".

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Marie Silvani's avatar

I agree with you. It’s becoming very obvious that you need private security

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Sue Kelley's avatar

And not retreads from the FBI and CIA

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johnny_n's avatar

100%, it's a blessing Kennedy was refused secret service and he could be alive because of it. Hopefully he refuses the offer.

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Lysander Spoonbread's avatar

A deft political move by DJT would be to hire DeBecker for himself and offer to pay continued support for RFKjr. A sly dis to the USG/SS and Myorkrapass to humiliate them.

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Michael's avatar

Meta is just sickening. What has changed from a month ago, when he was still banned? Rats are jumping ship, it seems

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Chris Stringer's avatar

Or, Meta borrowed a backbone from President Trump to stand up to outside pressures? Or maybe DHS made another change of policy in addition to Secret Service protection for Kennedy? I'm not a fan of Meta, but they seem more of a pawn than a player in this drama.

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Jennifer's avatar

Or, Meta wants the money the followers will bring. Musk wants the tweets too. It's always about the money...

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Christopher Smith's avatar

Maybe Meta is afraid of what happens to them when the Repubs take over what with Congressional hearings and DOJ/SEC investigations.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Not jumping ship, consulting legal counsel.

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carily myers's avatar

like

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Tardigrade's avatar

I'm surprised Meta changed course on Trump the day *before* the shooting.

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Chris Stringer's avatar

Did they? That's good information, do you have a source handy?

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Tardigrade's avatar

It said so in this article.

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Chris Stringer's avatar

Oops, thanks

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Brian McCray's avatar

Trump said he was going to prosecute Zuckerberg for election interference if he won, and the next day Zuckerberg dropped the Trump ban. It was kind of a confession of meddling on Zuckerberg's part.

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Alistair Penbroke's avatar

From the phrasing it sounds like they think being the nominee is what matters.

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Jeremy's avatar

What would've happened if Trump had been killed??

-- Biden gets shot for "revenge" (or by someone in his own party, posing as a Trump supporter).

-- "Safety" becomes the latest excuse for more authoritarianism, "content moderation", postponed elections, gun confiscations, etc.

I don't think people realize how bad things would be if this extremely well planned and nearly perfect assassination plot had been successful.

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carily myers's avatar

AMEN

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Arthur Lewis's avatar

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, aint no way Trump is going to win that election. The stakes are way too high for the globalist, they cannot lose the US, particularly now that Europe seems to have had it with all the fuckery. Obama, the de facto Don of the Democratic Crime family, has come to far with his “Fundamentaly change America” scheme, and there is way, way to much money to lose draining the pockets of hardworking Americans to leave everything on the table now.

The election will be rigged, and the Republicans would be wise (is that possible?) to take Musks 45m a month and hire an army of election monitors to look over their shoulders. It still may not be enough.

Boy am I glad I’m 72

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Marie Silvani's avatar

I sadly agree with you and happy to be 68 but I’ve got children and grandchildren 😩

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Sue Kelley's avatar

💯

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Alistair Penbroke's avatar

Maybe. Rigging an election requires a widespread conspiracy, which requires fanatical self belief. Do the Democrats still have the level of absolute belief in Biden needed to carry that out nowadays? At least some of them are saying they don't.

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Tardigrade's avatar

They never had belief in Biden. What they had was Trump Paranoia.

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Yes, FEAR is that their politicians and the media have given them. They need more confidence.

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Sue Kelley's avatar

I guess if they believe we will believe a litany of failures occurred leaving a perfect perch available for a 20 year old boy with mediocre at best shooting skills and no history of mental illness or social media footprint who could take his time humping his equipment to the top in full view of everyone including law enforcement and get 8 or 9 shots off before SS sniper terminated him? I guess they have the hubris necessary to try

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Martha  Bromberg's avatar

Very hard to accept if you have a brain.

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David Meyer's avatar

I mostly agree with you. Biden being exposed to 50 million people as hopelessly senile is not enough nor is the assassination attempt. This election will be won or lost with absentee/mail in ballots in the battleground states. The democrats are way ahead in this game. I have read they have 15million votes in the bank. Maybe Musk with his 250 plus billion together with some of his billionaire buddies can deploy their super pack and give Trump a shot. Maybe.

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Pacificus's avatar

Yes, Arthur, you do foresee a future that is very possible... but it is not necessarily inevitable, esp if we are sufficiently aware of what could happen and respond accordingly... we can't give in to defeatism/fatalism. Stay strong.

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Gnome Chonky's avatar

This has been a crazy week, but the best news of all is the tanking of the execrable Morning Joe show. Now if only they'd do it permanently

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Sue Kelley's avatar

Don't forget the View

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