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Pacificus's avatar

The guy is not an American citizen, Karen. He's Salvadoran.

So funny to note what causes/people the Left embraces. For Laken Riley? Not a peep.

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Karen's avatar

He is also not a gang member ànd has not been accused or convicted of à crime. He is now locked forever in one of the cruelest prisons on Earth. Besides, Trump announced today that his administration is going to start departing American citizens to foreign prisons, presumably without trials.

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ocjackel's avatar

Whether or not he's a gang member is still up for debate. I would definitely be for bringing him back and going through the proper due process procedures.

Fun Fact: The reason all of the prisoners have their heads shaved when they first enter the prison is to expose gang tattoos.

When they enter the US illegally they generally grow back their hair to hide these tattoos to disguise their gang affiliation.

If and when he comes back and does the inevitable liberal media tour it will be interesting to see if he's wearing a hat.

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Carol Jones's avatar

Maybe to you and Karen who don't clearly read the background on these " human beings"--they are gang members and illegal aliens. Enough of this

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ocjackel's avatar

I'm speaking of the one individual who had a court order to prevent his deportation (and who the Trump administration agrees they should not have deported him) but was still deported.

In my opinion he almost certainly has gang affiliations.

Bring him back, prove he's a gang member, and then send him back.

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BookWench's avatar

Wasn't that order simply to prevent him being deported to El Salvador due to some threat from rival gangs? He was still eligible for deportation, but not to El Salvador.

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calmdown's avatar

When you say in your opinion "almost certainly [he] has gang 'affiliations'", what evidence is there that supports your opinion? As far as I know the administration hasn't presented any real proof. If he had these "affiliations" wouldn't the administration share the evidence instead of coming up with vague allegations?

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Karen's avatar

Trumpers believe anything Trump tells them. If Trump told ocjackel that ocjackel was a member of a Venzuelan gang, ocjackel would believe it.

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gortroe's avatar

Any evidence that American citizens will be deported to foreign prisons,Karen? Would be useful for you to take a refresher course in American juris prudence.

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Karen's avatar

Trump said as much in his meeting with Bukele this morning. Do you question the fact that Trump wants to deport and imprison everyone who disagrees with him?

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LosPer's avatar

I can only hope you're an illegal and a member of MS13 so you can join them down there soon. My God, are you insufferable...

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WilliamD's avatar

You should focus all your time and attention on protesting this outrage and never pay attention to anything else for the rest of your life. If you relent for even one minute, and we will know it, we will know that you are just a phony poseur like the rest of them. No justice, no peas.

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Karen's avatar

I’m sure you think this is extremely funny. My question for you is still: do you support deporting American citizens to Salvadoran torture prisons without trials? Your God Trump has announced that he intends to do just that. Will you support him?

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MajorSensible's avatar

Karen, you've gone off the deep end. No one ever said anything about deporting US citizens without trials. Bukele offered to house *current US prisoners* in El Salvador (for a fee, of course). Trump was noncommittal about the idea in his rambling, stream of consciousness way that also serves as trolling for those easily spun up like yourself.

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Karen's avatar

Ànd you can’t even bring yourself to condemn a plan to deport American citizens to foreign gulags. You Trumpers make excuses for every evil act of your Shit God.

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MajorSensible's avatar

There is no plan to deport American citizens to foreign gulags. If there was, I would condemn it, but there isn't. Your increasingly frantic and ridiculous language gets farther and farther from reality. Next you will be telling us that Trump has a plan to round up and deport children to alien gulags established on Mars for scientific experiments.

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Karen's avatar

So what other explanation is there for Trump saying he intended to deport American citizens to foreign Gulags? I'm all ears.

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MajorSensible's avatar

The explanation is: you're talking crap. Show us where Trump said he intended to deport American citizens to foreign gulags (without trials was your assertion above, have you backed off of that?)

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Karen's avatar

Nope. He intends to deport Americans without trials to foreign Gulags. See: https://www.theverge.com/policy/648338/trump-deport-us-citizens-el-salvador

There are plenty of direct quotes from Mango Mussolini in that cite.

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MajorSensible's avatar

“I don’t know what the laws are — we always have to obey the laws....you’ll have to be looking at the laws....”

Somehow this translates as "round up and deport US citizens to El Salvador without trials" in Karenese.

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Cooper's avatar

I believe that President Trump did say something about liking or wanting to deport some citizens. Something like that. I don’t think that he said he WOULD, nor, obviously, could he do that.

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Karen's avatar

It should outrage you that Trump would make any such suggestion. It terrifies me that Trump even fantasizes about doing something so evil.

Also, Trump does everything he wants and he badly wants to do this.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

But he's a man. Surely you support his deportation just because of that, right?

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Karen's avatar

Not that it matters asshole, but my family has been in North America since the 17th century.

You are a monster and deserve the fate of all monsters.

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Kathy Hix's avatar

Taylor? Is that you?

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

So your family was among the first colonialists to steal land from indigenous peoples?

But in your defense, it was likely only the asshole men of your family who wantonly killed.

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Pacificus's avatar

There are no "indigenous peoples"... all of us came here from somewhere else at some point in time...

"indigenous peoples" is another BS academic term that needs to be shit-canned.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I think I might respectfully disagree with you on this one.

It's one thing to call illegal immigrants made-up names like "undocumented workers" or homeless people "unhoused." Those are your bullshit academic terms for sure. That weird "Latinx" thing is another one.

But the word indigenous has been around only slightly less time than those indigenous peoples.

We didn't all come from someplace else. Once homo sapiens got their shit together and started exploring, they were exploring from a home base. But in any case, indigenous can also mean the earliest known inhabitants of a place.

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Pacificus's avatar

Wait, didn't "Native Americans" arrive from Siberia before the land bridge was inundated at the end of the last Ice Age, roughly 10,000 years ago? And then migrated south in search of game, some of which, like the Wooly Mammoth, they drove to extinction? Sounds migratory to me.

But your variant definition of indigenous as "earliest known inhabitants" does have the ring of legitimacy to it.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Last time I heard, the scientific consensus seemed to be that mankind started in Africa, and they migrated from there. So at least those particular people were indigenous--to Africa. And migrants everywhere else. But until immigration became such a political hot potato, the people who were someplace before the Europeans sailed in to conquer are generally considered indigenous.

It's probably one of those six of one, half-dozen of the other deals. Turns out maybe we're both right.

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Pacificus's avatar

Yes. I view "indigenous" as a term crafted to smear Europeans, who, for some reason, are not considered "indigenous" to Europe when it comes to the Muslim invasion of same. But Leftist political discourses isn't about arriving a bit closer to some approximation of the truth, it is about gaining rhetorical advantage to advance a political agenda. .

Good chatting with you.

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BookWench's avatar

While the women were all down at the river, washing clothes, no doubt.

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Thoughtful Reader's avatar

You’re 100% right - it doesn’t matter.

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Don Reed's avatar

04/15/25: Good curse (he'll end up like you).

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calmdown's avatar

He's from Venezuela, not El Salvador

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calmdown's avatar

I have to take it back. Garcia is from El Salvador, not Venezuela. I believe most of those sent to the El Salvador were from Venezuela, but not him. The fact still remains that the justification given by the administration was that he was a gang member, but there i a death of evidence that this is true

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Pacificus's avatar

"death of evidence"--wow, that was a Freudian slip!

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Karen's avatar

He was deported to El Salvador and will not be returned. He has never been even accused of a crime but he will spend the rest of his life in Bukele’s torture camp.

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Don Reed's avatar

04/15/25: Best news I've heard this year! Keep them coming!

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