I think Boris makes a good point Grisha. The origins of Reddit and its history often get scrubbed from our consciousness in the neoliberal diet of social and traditional media.
It is interesting that this occurred on Reddit. No?
Now, we agree there are many young who needlessly died under US imperial domination - but not that many like him who were to be leaders in tech with a sound ethical base (sharing research, making it public etc.)
That was cheap -- I am not at all of Russian origin (although that should be entirely irrelevant).
But I am convinced since day one, like Matt, Glenn, Aaron, many others) that the Russia-gate hoax has been and still is (see recent Brennan, Hillary, Pelosi, etc.) -- that is a scam of the century.
No "unity and healing" until there is accounting for this fraud. By far the highest interest of new government and the DNC cabal is that Russia-gate immense hoax will NO Tbe / will NEVER be exposed -- hence many IOU's to primary propagandists, including despicable Kamala Harris, Neera Tanden, Pete Buttigieg, etc.
The entire anti-Russian narrative is a deliberate fabrication.
Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among former 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is classical тАЬRussian disinformationтАЭ.
- They were also key promoters of the three-year Russia-gate hoax.
- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government тАУ the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with BoliviaтАЩs president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including тАЬwhite helmetsтАЭ hoax) and staged all chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
TrumpтАЩs utter incompetence in handling Covid-19 created the human and economic catastrophe that will be called - Trump-virus; he brought into government religious extremism and racism.
The Russia-gate hoax and Ukraine-impeachment тАЬentertainmentтАЭ was concocted by Obama/Hillary/Biden/Pelosi, Schumer, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors, i.e., the imperial War party
"TrumpтАЩs utter incompetence in handling Covid-19 created the human and economic catastrophe that will be called - Trump-virus; he brought into government religious extremism and racism."
Let me unpack this Boris. You recognize and rightly resent the fraudulent attack on a duly elected President - A deep state assault from day one - {I believe lee Smith's THE PLOT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT - does for Trump what Wodward & Bernboy did for Watergate - and you're itemization covers about the 1st one third of his}
Yet - despite all the attempts to destroy this Man, his Family and his presidency - he was the most effective 1st term president of my lifetime.
An economy on fire - record growth - Lowest unemployment of minorities and first real bottom up wage increases since the pre-Great Society 60's - NO NEW WARS AND ACTUAL PUSH BACK TO THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THEIR MINIONS - who resisted winding down those still there...
A president who did more for Veterans than McNasty or any other Commander In Chief since Truman. In a weekend! Decoupled health care for vets from a decrepit health care system that would make Bulgaria under Nicolae Ceau╚Щescu blush.
All of which began to unravel once the Chinese Communist Party did what they NOT TRUMP did - we have yet to determine if the release was accidental or deliberate - but what was deliberate was their allowing thousands infected to head west - and - they - being the gangsters they are - locked down their own CCP populations while simultaneously vacumming up all the vital support PPP which they had become the worlds biggest export of.
Democrats exploited every opportunity - including a faux impeachment over nonsense - and it is TRUMPS FAULT - and he is a racist. To destroy this economy - what has been a devastating economic DEPRESSION FOR MOST AMERICANS.
He has always been an asshole. But his policies were working. Yes there are many things I wish he would have done differently - but how do you grade this particular pandemic? -
As opposed to Hoover's response to helping to feed starving Europe in 1919 and the follow up attempts - which by any standard were failures since the 1918 Pandemic killed until it spent itself - not via human agency thwarting it- but -au natural?
"he brought into government religious extremism and racism."
Trump switched from life-long Presbyterian to non-denominational Christian - the 1st president to switch denominations while in office since Eisenhower to do that.
So where is the 'religious extremism?' I have heard the racist charges before and reject them as well but the religious accusation - this is a new one.
Thanks -- your "unpacking" has not been very successful... ;-))
Hatred of China -- after decades of US corporations exported jobs to China to lower labor costs and (well documented) opposed regulations to better protect and pay workers there... BTW, China was written of as global basket case -- tens of millions would die of starvations every couple of years. The "godless" socialist China lifted 800M of its population out of abject poverty in merely 40 years -- an unprecedented success in history of mankind...
For months, instead of implementing well understood measures for combating virus (strict testing, contact tracing, lockdown of entire cities, paying monthly citizens to stay at home and/or unemployed) Trump "leadership" fought against even masks, fabricated transparent lies about "virus escaping", giving trillions of "aid" to corporations (that is, to donors of both parties). China and ALL Asian nations should be credit and recognition for their success in controlling Covid-19. Comparable to population size China's number of deaths (less than 5K) and US so far (~550K) -- Trump's incompetence killed 400 Americans for every China's death. Think about that !!
Religious extremists in government -- the Bible idiot and grifter, Ben Carson is a great example -- "pyramids were built by St. Joseph to store wheat" and selling oleander extract (together with MyPillow charlatan - as sure medicine to prevent Covid infection. The renown CDC was led by newly installed Redfield, a born again fundamentalist who sat on a Board of largest anti-gay organization, whose first action was to nearly double his salary, etc., etc.
About Trump's incompetence and sheer stupidity one can count and write indefinitely. A tragic example was not to pardon Assange while freeing low-life (including monsters that massacred Iraqis in Bagdad) that flatter and payed him. Trump was and still is pursued by DNC cabal and deep state apparatus -- freeing Assange he would help unmask the scam of the century -- Russia-gate hoax. Nothing summarizes better the sheer stupidity of Trump...
Time to wake up and get rid of your delusions.... Have a good day
Ok. Got it. So...lets start here - (an yes I needed 4 days to consult with WSB via a rerun of THE MAN WITHIN before speaking - cause I like you Boris - I'm from Cleveland Ohio and have many Polish, Hungarian, and Slavic friends {and family even}...
"For months, instead of implementing well understood measures for combating virus (strict testing, contact tracing, lockdown of entire cities, paying monthly citizens to stay at home and/or unemployed)..."
This 'so called 'well understood' governmental response is the 1st in history that QUARANTINE THE HEALTHY!...why? It is a lot more messy and complicated because we - me, you and the world - don't know half of what we don't know -
Yes - China's abilities to ingratiate itself and insinuate and use the emerging world economy - by buying our elites (their main port of entry being Academia) to lift the millions you speak of - despite that - THEY EXPORTED THIS VIRUS. PERIOD. THEY DO WHAT GANSTERS ALWAYS DO - EXPLOIT THE SITUATION.
"China and ALL Asian nations should be credit and recognition for their success in controlling Covid-19." This assertion is off in WALTER DURANTY-LAND Boris.
40 years ago when I still believed the Gulag Archipelago was just another of Solzhenitsyn's novels - I was likewise convinced that the reports about Tibet were vastly westernized propaganda.
Bannon, War Room, and particularly Liz Yore & Maura Moynihan - (the late Danial Patrick Moynihan's daughter) have completely disabused me of that long forgotten fantasy.
China's preoccupation with Tibet from Mao to Xi has had little to with Buddhism - it was always strategic and totalitarian - he who controls the 'ROOF OF THE WORLD' controls the Urasian Land Mass - hence China's willingness to pay a premium to Wall Street here and London and other western banks to build all those dams - not just the THE THREE GORGES...which if you have been paying attention the Chinese Communist Party no longer refers that 'infallible' because that have been reports that it no longer is sustainable - a problem the CCP only views as the loss of prestige it may cost them were it to fail - NOT THE LOSS OF LIFE.
So don't quote me CCP bullshit on their 'amazing' ability to thwart the virus and turn Wuhan into a Party zone. Even the WaPo has shot those propagandist TP down.
As for the Religious extremism charge - why is the Pillow man such a threat that his faith based drug recovery programs - with an excellent documented recovery rate - (I mean I don't hear AA folks echoing your charges?) and the same for Carson - Carson was instrumental in helping Ivanka and Jared lift prison reform - and a reason why is the same Black Church that supported MLK trusts him...
He's no extremist - (look to Westboro Babtist and others like them for that non-Christian crap) - he is openly Religious - and you there fore do not trust him. Ok. Fair enough - but why and where is his damage? Help me with examples beyond his faith should disqualify him from the office appointed him.
And then...the whopper without fries..."A tragic example was not to pardon Assange while freeing low-life (including monsters that massacred Iraqis in Bagdad) that flatter and payed him. "
Dotard Joe just has been signing blue book proclamations at a record pace - so much that between Gerber's Lunchbox breaks he's even admitted he don't know what he is signing - like Mad King Ludwig - and yet No Assange pardon...
I'm sure it has zippo to do with Brennen, Comey and Clapper's 'higher calling...' Not to mention Obama on the way to his 60+ million cash out on yet another ghost-written tome nobody will read.
Common man! Clean your Aviators! You seem a bit blinded by the hate.
Chadwick Moore's recent SPECTATOR article sums up part of my points here in his close...
"In a different version of history, the Occupiers may have all converted to Trumpism. Instead, faced with double-defeat following HillaryтАЩs loss, they looked to the media and universities to entertain them with mental jigsaw puzzles like тАШmulti-racial white supremacyтАЩ. The basked in corporations posting empty screeds regarding the Christ-like plight of transgender women of color. Rather than seeing how good the populist, anti-Wall Street left may have had it with President Trump, they sank further into their orgy of indignation by allowing the media, the Democratic party and corporations to prey on their volatile emotional state in order to wreck TrumpтАЩs presidency. The grassroots left refuses to see how theyтАЩve become a tool used to restore the Hillarian establishment to power. An establishment which is now, as they say, laughing all the way to the bank."
It might interest you to know that in the last data dump before inauguration, the declassified documents showed something way beyond that the FBI changed that email to say that Page was not a reliable source for the CIA.
They showed that Page had been a source and witness FOR THE FBI itself, in a case where STRZOK WAS THE AGENT. And Page's testimony helped the US get guilty verdicts for Russian agents. So basically, Strzok himself knew personally of Page's history as a friend to the US helping the government, and pursued his BS FISA warrant anyway.
"That was cheap -- I am not at all of Russian origin (although that should be entirely irrelevant)."
Boris, buddy, that was a gag based on our screennames. A lot of the time my jokes don't land because I am a terrible comedian; the Fozzie Bear of this comment section. You have my apologies.
Thank you -- that is actually my name (somewhat shortened so that I don't need to spell it to each operator over and over and listen to giggling noises).
I am of Slavic origin though but don't understand beautiful Russian language-- and am not trying to be funny too often -- I am also not good at it... ;-))
Haha, I thought so, but wanted to punctuate the point about forgetting. Its a massive massive problem --- not knowing our own history. One person's bots are another person's argument service providers :)
┬лSwartz ain't the only American kid who died under the Obama administration. An American kid got droned, actually.┬╗
Probably hundreds if not thousands, the CIA/DoD death squads who have got their monthly kill lists from GW Bush, BH Obama and D Trump (all of them have boasted about the kill lists for electoral purposes) abduct, torture or kill the targets whether they are american citizens or not, and many are american citizens. Anyhow the USA constitution limits the power of government to kill people without trial whether they are citizens or not, and limits it regardless of where the killing is done. But the USA constitution is just a piece of paper for most voters.
Swartz ain't the only American kid who died under the Obama administration.
An American kid got droned, actually.
I think Boris makes a good point Grisha. The origins of Reddit and its history often get scrubbed from our consciousness in the neoliberal diet of social and traditional media.
It is interesting that this occurred on Reddit. No?
Now, we agree there are many young who needlessly died under US imperial domination - but not that many like him who were to be leaders in tech with a sound ethical base (sharing research, making it public etc.)
I'm not knocking Boris, I'm agreeing with him! Us Russian bots gotta stick together.
That was cheap -- I am not at all of Russian origin (although that should be entirely irrelevant).
But I am convinced since day one, like Matt, Glenn, Aaron, many others) that the Russia-gate hoax has been and still is (see recent Brennan, Hillary, Pelosi, etc.) -- that is a scam of the century.
No "unity and healing" until there is accounting for this fraud. By far the highest interest of new government and the DNC cabal is that Russia-gate immense hoax will NO Tbe / will NEVER be exposed -- hence many IOU's to primary propagandists, including despicable Kamala Harris, Neera Tanden, Pete Buttigieg, etc.
The entire anti-Russian narrative is a deliberate fabrication.
Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among former 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is classical тАЬRussian disinformationтАЭ.
- They were also key promoters of the three-year Russia-gate hoax.
- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government тАУ the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with BoliviaтАЩs president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including тАЬwhite helmetsтАЭ hoax) and staged all chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
TrumpтАЩs utter incompetence in handling Covid-19 created the human and economic catastrophe that will be called - Trump-virus; he brought into government religious extremism and racism.
The Russia-gate hoax and Ukraine-impeachment тАЬentertainmentтАЭ was concocted by Obama/Hillary/Biden/Pelosi, Schumer, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors, i.e., the imperial War party
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup
"TrumpтАЩs utter incompetence in handling Covid-19 created the human and economic catastrophe that will be called - Trump-virus; he brought into government religious extremism and racism."
Let me unpack this Boris. You recognize and rightly resent the fraudulent attack on a duly elected President - A deep state assault from day one - {I believe lee Smith's THE PLOT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT - does for Trump what Wodward & Bernboy did for Watergate - and you're itemization covers about the 1st one third of his}
Yet - despite all the attempts to destroy this Man, his Family and his presidency - he was the most effective 1st term president of my lifetime.
An economy on fire - record growth - Lowest unemployment of minorities and first real bottom up wage increases since the pre-Great Society 60's - NO NEW WARS AND ACTUAL PUSH BACK TO THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THEIR MINIONS - who resisted winding down those still there...
A president who did more for Veterans than McNasty or any other Commander In Chief since Truman. In a weekend! Decoupled health care for vets from a decrepit health care system that would make Bulgaria under Nicolae Ceau╚Щescu blush.
All of which began to unravel once the Chinese Communist Party did what they NOT TRUMP did - we have yet to determine if the release was accidental or deliberate - but what was deliberate was their allowing thousands infected to head west - and - they - being the gangsters they are - locked down their own CCP populations while simultaneously vacumming up all the vital support PPP which they had become the worlds biggest export of.
Democrats exploited every opportunity - including a faux impeachment over nonsense - and it is TRUMPS FAULT - and he is a racist. To destroy this economy - what has been a devastating economic DEPRESSION FOR MOST AMERICANS.
He has always been an asshole. But his policies were working. Yes there are many things I wish he would have done differently - but how do you grade this particular pandemic? -
As opposed to Hoover's response to helping to feed starving Europe in 1919 and the follow up attempts - which by any standard were failures since the 1918 Pandemic killed until it spent itself - not via human agency thwarting it- but -au natural?
"he brought into government religious extremism and racism."
Trump switched from life-long Presbyterian to non-denominational Christian - the 1st president to switch denominations while in office since Eisenhower to do that.
So where is the 'religious extremism?' I have heard the racist charges before and reject them as well but the religious accusation - this is a new one.
Thanks -- your "unpacking" has not been very successful... ;-))
Hatred of China -- after decades of US corporations exported jobs to China to lower labor costs and (well documented) opposed regulations to better protect and pay workers there... BTW, China was written of as global basket case -- tens of millions would die of starvations every couple of years. The "godless" socialist China lifted 800M of its population out of abject poverty in merely 40 years -- an unprecedented success in history of mankind...
For months, instead of implementing well understood measures for combating virus (strict testing, contact tracing, lockdown of entire cities, paying monthly citizens to stay at home and/or unemployed) Trump "leadership" fought against even masks, fabricated transparent lies about "virus escaping", giving trillions of "aid" to corporations (that is, to donors of both parties). China and ALL Asian nations should be credit and recognition for their success in controlling Covid-19. Comparable to population size China's number of deaths (less than 5K) and US so far (~550K) -- Trump's incompetence killed 400 Americans for every China's death. Think about that !!
Religious extremists in government -- the Bible idiot and grifter, Ben Carson is a great example -- "pyramids were built by St. Joseph to store wheat" and selling oleander extract (together with MyPillow charlatan - as sure medicine to prevent Covid infection. The renown CDC was led by newly installed Redfield, a born again fundamentalist who sat on a Board of largest anti-gay organization, whose first action was to nearly double his salary, etc., etc.
About Trump's incompetence and sheer stupidity one can count and write indefinitely. A tragic example was not to pardon Assange while freeing low-life (including monsters that massacred Iraqis in Bagdad) that flatter and payed him. Trump was and still is pursued by DNC cabal and deep state apparatus -- freeing Assange he would help unmask the scam of the century -- Russia-gate hoax. Nothing summarizes better the sheer stupidity of Trump...
Time to wake up and get rid of your delusions.... Have a good day
Ok. Got it. So...lets start here - (an yes I needed 4 days to consult with WSB via a rerun of THE MAN WITHIN before speaking - cause I like you Boris - I'm from Cleveland Ohio and have many Polish, Hungarian, and Slavic friends {and family even}...
"For months, instead of implementing well understood measures for combating virus (strict testing, contact tracing, lockdown of entire cities, paying monthly citizens to stay at home and/or unemployed)..."
This 'so called 'well understood' governmental response is the 1st in history that QUARANTINE THE HEALTHY!...why? It is a lot more messy and complicated because we - me, you and the world - don't know half of what we don't know -
Yes - China's abilities to ingratiate itself and insinuate and use the emerging world economy - by buying our elites (their main port of entry being Academia) to lift the millions you speak of - despite that - THEY EXPORTED THIS VIRUS. PERIOD. THEY DO WHAT GANSTERS ALWAYS DO - EXPLOIT THE SITUATION.
"China and ALL Asian nations should be credit and recognition for their success in controlling Covid-19." This assertion is off in WALTER DURANTY-LAND Boris.
40 years ago when I still believed the Gulag Archipelago was just another of Solzhenitsyn's novels - I was likewise convinced that the reports about Tibet were vastly westernized propaganda.
Bannon, War Room, and particularly Liz Yore & Maura Moynihan - (the late Danial Patrick Moynihan's daughter) have completely disabused me of that long forgotten fantasy.
China's preoccupation with Tibet from Mao to Xi has had little to with Buddhism - it was always strategic and totalitarian - he who controls the 'ROOF OF THE WORLD' controls the Urasian Land Mass - hence China's willingness to pay a premium to Wall Street here and London and other western banks to build all those dams - not just the THE THREE GORGES...which if you have been paying attention the Chinese Communist Party no longer refers that 'infallible' because that have been reports that it no longer is sustainable - a problem the CCP only views as the loss of prestige it may cost them were it to fail - NOT THE LOSS OF LIFE.
So don't quote me CCP bullshit on their 'amazing' ability to thwart the virus and turn Wuhan into a Party zone. Even the WaPo has shot those propagandist TP down.
As for the Religious extremism charge - why is the Pillow man such a threat that his faith based drug recovery programs - with an excellent documented recovery rate - (I mean I don't hear AA folks echoing your charges?) and the same for Carson - Carson was instrumental in helping Ivanka and Jared lift prison reform - and a reason why is the same Black Church that supported MLK trusts him...
He's no extremist - (look to Westboro Babtist and others like them for that non-Christian crap) - he is openly Religious - and you there fore do not trust him. Ok. Fair enough - but why and where is his damage? Help me with examples beyond his faith should disqualify him from the office appointed him.
And then...the whopper without fries..."A tragic example was not to pardon Assange while freeing low-life (including monsters that massacred Iraqis in Bagdad) that flatter and payed him. "
Dotard Joe just has been signing blue book proclamations at a record pace - so much that between Gerber's Lunchbox breaks he's even admitted he don't know what he is signing - like Mad King Ludwig - and yet No Assange pardon...
I'm sure it has zippo to do with Brennen, Comey and Clapper's 'higher calling...' Not to mention Obama on the way to his 60+ million cash out on yet another ghost-written tome nobody will read.
Common man! Clean your Aviators! You seem a bit blinded by the hate.
Chadwick Moore's recent SPECTATOR article sums up part of my points here in his close...
"In a different version of history, the Occupiers may have all converted to Trumpism. Instead, faced with double-defeat following HillaryтАЩs loss, they looked to the media and universities to entertain them with mental jigsaw puzzles like тАШmulti-racial white supremacyтАЩ. The basked in corporations posting empty screeds regarding the Christ-like plight of transgender women of color. Rather than seeing how good the populist, anti-Wall Street left may have had it with President Trump, they sank further into their orgy of indignation by allowing the media, the Democratic party and corporations to prey on their volatile emotional state in order to wreck TrumpтАЩs presidency. The grassroots left refuses to see how theyтАЩve become a tool used to restore the Hillarian establishment to power. An establishment which is now, as they say, laughing all the way to the bank."
I agree with you on crime of the century.
It might interest you to know that in the last data dump before inauguration, the declassified documents showed something way beyond that the FBI changed that email to say that Page was not a reliable source for the CIA.
They showed that Page had been a source and witness FOR THE FBI itself, in a case where STRZOK WAS THE AGENT. And Page's testimony helped the US get guilty verdicts for Russian agents. So basically, Strzok himself knew personally of Page's history as a friend to the US helping the government, and pursued his BS FISA warrant anyway.
This stuff is so sickening.
"That was cheap -- I am not at all of Russian origin (although that should be entirely irrelevant)."
Boris, buddy, that was a gag based on our screennames. A lot of the time my jokes don't land because I am a terrible comedian; the Fozzie Bear of this comment section. You have my apologies.
Thank you -- that is actually my name (somewhat shortened so that I don't need to spell it to each operator over and over and listen to giggling noises).
I am of Slavic origin though but don't understand beautiful Russian language-- and am not trying to be funny too often -- I am also not good at it... ;-))
Haha, I thought so, but wanted to punctuate the point about forgetting. Its a massive massive problem --- not knowing our own history. One person's bots are another person's argument service providers :)
[reinvents self as "argument service provider" along the lines of "sensitivity reviewer"]
that will be $60 per minute of your attention, please
.79 cents - you really are not a Russian bot -- would have had a quicker response :)
How about rubles? :)
┬лSwartz ain't the only American kid who died under the Obama administration. An American kid got droned, actually.┬╗
Probably hundreds if not thousands, the CIA/DoD death squads who have got their monthly kill lists from GW Bush, BH Obama and D Trump (all of them have boasted about the kill lists for electoral purposes) abduct, torture or kill the targets whether they are american citizens or not, and many are american citizens. Anyhow the USA constitution limits the power of government to kill people without trial whether they are citizens or not, and limits it regardless of where the killing is done. But the USA constitution is just a piece of paper for most voters.
"But the USA constitution is just a piece of paper for most voters."
A lot of voters actively cheer on extrajudicial detention and assassination. Maybe it's a popular policy.
To your point,
That said, the blank look in their eyes when you explain how dumb they are is priceless.