No, this is the first time they took it, as you say, *all the way up to the Supreme Court* and LOST...and STILL refused to concede and STILL tried to stay in office. There's nothing wrong with recounts. As for pointing to the full, public accounting -- dear GOD man, where have you been? Did you miss the 60+ court challenges? The wall to …
No, this is the first time they took it, as you say, *all the way up to the Supreme Court* and LOST...and STILL refused to concede and STILL tried to stay in office. There's nothing wrong with recounts. As for pointing to the full, public accounting -- dear GOD man, where have you been? Did you miss the 60+ court challenges? The wall to wall public coverage up until the inauguration? The press conferences? But when the recounts were over (and Biden still won) and when 60+ courts ruled against trump it was time to concede. But trump didn't do that. Trump knew he'd lost - he'd been told that by - oh just about everyone - but he didn't care. He didn't want to give up the Presidency and so he lied to his gullible voters and sent them to the Capital to do just what they did. And if you want a fuller accounting, because two years of it isn't enough for you - read the 72 page report just put out on Thursday by a group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results.
"The report, "LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election," looked at more than 60 court cases Trump and his supporters filed and lost in six key battleground states. It reached the "unequivocal" conclusion that the former Republican president's claims were unsupportable -- which Trump's own Department of Homeland Security as well as election officials nationwide debunked days after the 2020 election."
"[R]ead the 72 page report just put out on Thursday by a group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results."
Thank you. That (appears to be) what I asked for. But if it does NOT address the claims made by Navarro, Powell, 2000 Mules, etc. etc. -- then my point continues to hold that the whole exercise CANNOT BE TRUSTED, no matter how good a show is put on. We know at this point that the ongoing COVID and now Ukraine fiascos are propaganda on steroids, and this one looks no different.
The failure of the Russiagate conspiracy theory (comically renamed "collusion" to avoid the taint of the overdone propaganda campaign), in particular, set a precedent as to how far the Establishment will go to destroy not simply Donald Trump, but the national rebellion against corruption and democracy decay that undergirds it, which is the real target. Bernie was a successful sheepdogger on the left, but the next ones who come along will have a far tougher go.
I replied to another questioner here that the 60+ court challenges, including from Supreme Court, themselves are insufficient if they, or rather, the MSM and its resources, do not fully lay out to the public the reasons, AND then allow interactive engagement, of the arguments being promoted. Because their credibility is DEAD.
Why are the Establishments contentions resisted so mightily, not just by me, but by tens of millions of others? A third of the country doesn't just "go mad" for no reason. It is because we have seen with our own eyes, for decades, the kind of creeping criminality in Fed Gov and MSM that has reached a peak during Trump's term. We no longer have ANY faith it can be trusted. Its claims must be PROVED -- ALL OF IT -- and we reserve the right to fight tooth and nail until this is done.
Another thing that must be done here is to keep separate the actions of (1) Trump and his team, and (2) the people who showed up at his rally Jan. 6, the latter of whom have thus far have suffered massively more with far less to blame.
In both cases, we see it entirely plausible that the Jan 6 prosecution is a massive con job with a *story* of connected dots, using cherry-picked evidence, cherry-picked witnesses, embedded double-agents, threats, blackmail, and God knows what other malfeasance, as an existential fight to protect the powers of a few -- specifically, by getting us ready for a "domestic terrorism" PATRIOT II Act, preventing forevermore the "wrong" protests. Our Fed Gov and MSM blew it the last few decades CREATING this monster, designed to protect a now deeply undemocratic system. And the 100 million or so resisting it, and more joining us, are going to be quite a job to tackle, because we all see now the psy-op is now dying and thrashing wildly and carelessly.
The Establishment wants us be wowed by the brilliance of their sophistry and their relentless determination ("resilience") ... yet we also notice they are methodically, both psychologically (stealth wokeness injections everywhere, tying the Republican voters' 2016 Trump "Hail Mary" pass with him personally, etc. etc.) and physically (destroying industry, removing rights, etc. etc.) killing us off. Hard to unsee it at this stage; they've certainly overplayed their hand provoking us (oh yeah, there's now also relentless "news" about the "unprovoked invasion", now being repeated ad nausem, LOL Please!!). And they laugh at us for resisting. ("Resistance"... hmm, where have I heard this word before?).
This Jan 6 juggernaut is most certainly another piece of this ongoing sh*tshow. We may not know *which* pieces are rotten, but we certainly know they're in there.
OMG you need to get out of your bubble. Maybe start by watching the hearings yourself. Watch the STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES who are testifying under oath against trump - which I know that's hard for you to hear since despite your pretense at wanting the truth from "both sides" I'm about 90% positive that you aren't watching the hearings. You're getting a slanted cherry picked spin from one of those nutty conspiracy theory "news" sites. 2000 Mules??? Dude that's propaganda. Yeah, I did watch it. You wanna hear what Navarro REALLY said and did? Watch the hearings with your own two eyes and quit outsourcing your brain. Bill Barr is a "cherry picked" witness?? Cassidy Hutchinson? Pat Cippolone?? Eric Hershmann? IVANKA & JARED?? These are trump's inner circle man! WATCH FOR YOURSELF! What are you scared of? That you -- like trump's inner circle - will discover THE TRUTH and it's not what you want it to be? TRUMP LOST. The 60+ court cases aren't being hidden from the public - they are literally public record! You can read the cases -- all of them -- for yourself! SIXTY COURTS?? You seriously think they all got it wrong?? Many of them were trump appointed judges who voted for him!! Even SCOTUS didn't save him! Because HE LOST and the "evidence" does not exist. Also - this is pointless, because you also think COVID is fake. So enjoy your bubble. You actually seem like you're invested enough and literate enough to break free of it - but you like it in there I think.
"STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES who are testifying under oath against trump"
Did you hear what I said? NONE of it can be trusted, because ALL of it is a contrived show, starting with the screamingly-obvious entrapment of the Jan 6 protesters -- even all the supposed turncoats-coming-to-Jesus. Why? Because it is a *story*, a story presented *by one side*, run with with cherry-picked "opposition" (Cheney and Kinzinger). Because the true litmus test, supported by hundreds of years of Western justice, is this: Is the opposition allowed the defense to present its case, in a complete and organized way? No? End of story. If you don't understand the FATAL flaw in this, then sir, you are the naive one.
This is NOT to say crimes weren't committed by the various members of the defense, or anything of the sort -- take these up in the courts, where they belong!
"Bill Barr is a 'cherry picked' witness?? Cassidy Hutchinson? Pat Cippolone?? Eric Hershmann? IVANKA & JARED??"
We have NO IDEA -- yet -- how many minds are being manipulated prior to testimony; careers are being threatened; who were long-con planted moles ("STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES", yeah, I'll be checking that out; and BTW, I'm a Leftist ... and oh, study up, will you, on Bill Barr?); who's lying with the approval and protection-promise of the Establishment; which witness/interrogee behaviors and statements are *not* being told to us; who made honest mistakes that are now asserted-without-opposition as malfeasance; etc, etc, etc. The problems go on and on, I haven't even touched on all I've learned about the lead up... Please, if you've got at least a couple of decades of adulthood under your belt, slap some sense into yourself!
"I'm about 90% positive that you aren't watching the hearings. ... What are you scared of? "
I'm not "scared" of anything here. Sure, there ARE crimes that have been discovered. But you "just don't get it" (my favorite feminist phrase from the 90s). You're goddam right I'm not wasting my precious time watching live, or even monitoring, this kangaroo-court-from-the-get-go. It's actually more productive to collect my thoughts, here, than puke every 5 minutes to the mid-f*ckery going on there, or worse, be taken in by it -- because this is world-class, state-of-the-art propaganda. If you don't understand that, then you've missed a few decades of political reality ... oh, from about the 1950s. But I *WILL* analyze it thoroughly once it's concluded, and apply my decades of communication theory and politics education and knowledge to it then.
This modern-day Inquisition is not a trial. It is a carefully planned propaganda monstrosity to assert a pre-planned conclusion. It has no interest in "truth". It is intended, ultimately, to demonize ALL political opposition, and result in PATRIOT II Act against an alleged "domestic terrorism". BTW, I saw, live, the original Watergate investigation, so I know what a true one looks like.
Your other ravings I believe I've addressed earlier.
Here's an example of just the intrigue I'm talking about that flies under the radar, revealed just a couple days ago:
"What is Adam Schiff Hiding?
"Schiff tucked an amendment into the National Defense Authorization Act that would prohibit any evidence collected in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act from being used in investigations. Why?"
More reason there is NO WAY I'm passing judgment on anything currently being shown under these bright lights, no matter how outwardly convincing. If Donald Trump himself made a full, blubbering confession I wouldn't believe it until ALL the facts were in. After all, he's a liar, is he not? And don't you think that about all the alt-right, no? How are any of the turncoat confessions believable? Who gets to decide??
As I said earlier, NOTHING in US politics in 2022 can be taken at face value, least of all in this censored court. Anybody who lets this slide in our fog of [hybrid] war is not taking seriously their duty as citizens in a democracy.
I don't think COVID is fake. But I think is beyond obvious, two and a half years later, that it was highly manipulated, and its management highly distorted, for both short and long term political reasons (some downright chilling), as well as for the typical if not still obscene financial rewards of the corrupt grifters who have now completely infested gov and industry, to the West's ongoing downfall.
You must understand if the Establishment will tell unlimited lies, and perform unlimited crimes, to result in billions of stolen dollars and millions of unnecessary deaths, it's a small matter to do whatever it takes to get the Jan 6 Inquisition to come to the conclusion they want. That's my starting point.
No, this is the first time they took it, as you say, *all the way up to the Supreme Court* and LOST...and STILL refused to concede and STILL tried to stay in office. There's nothing wrong with recounts. As for pointing to the full, public accounting -- dear GOD man, where have you been? Did you miss the 60+ court challenges? The wall to wall public coverage up until the inauguration? The press conferences? But when the recounts were over (and Biden still won) and when 60+ courts ruled against trump it was time to concede. But trump didn't do that. Trump knew he'd lost - he'd been told that by - oh just about everyone - but he didn't care. He didn't want to give up the Presidency and so he lied to his gullible voters and sent them to the Capital to do just what they did. And if you want a fuller accounting, because two years of it isn't enough for you - read the 72 page report just put out on Thursday by a group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results.
"The report, "LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election," looked at more than 60 court cases Trump and his supporters filed and lost in six key battleground states. It reached the "unequivocal" conclusion that the former Republican president's claims were unsupportable -- which Trump's own Department of Homeland Security as well as election officials nationwide debunked days after the 2020 election."
"[R]ead the 72 page report just put out on Thursday by a group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results."
Thank you. That (appears to be) what I asked for. But if it does NOT address the claims made by Navarro, Powell, 2000 Mules, etc. etc. -- then my point continues to hold that the whole exercise CANNOT BE TRUSTED, no matter how good a show is put on. We know at this point that the ongoing COVID and now Ukraine fiascos are propaganda on steroids, and this one looks no different.
The failure of the Russiagate conspiracy theory (comically renamed "collusion" to avoid the taint of the overdone propaganda campaign), in particular, set a precedent as to how far the Establishment will go to destroy not simply Donald Trump, but the national rebellion against corruption and democracy decay that undergirds it, which is the real target. Bernie was a successful sheepdogger on the left, but the next ones who come along will have a far tougher go.
I replied to another questioner here that the 60+ court challenges, including from Supreme Court, themselves are insufficient if they, or rather, the MSM and its resources, do not fully lay out to the public the reasons, AND then allow interactive engagement, of the arguments being promoted. Because their credibility is DEAD.
Why are the Establishments contentions resisted so mightily, not just by me, but by tens of millions of others? A third of the country doesn't just "go mad" for no reason. It is because we have seen with our own eyes, for decades, the kind of creeping criminality in Fed Gov and MSM that has reached a peak during Trump's term. We no longer have ANY faith it can be trusted. Its claims must be PROVED -- ALL OF IT -- and we reserve the right to fight tooth and nail until this is done.
Another thing that must be done here is to keep separate the actions of (1) Trump and his team, and (2) the people who showed up at his rally Jan. 6, the latter of whom have thus far have suffered massively more with far less to blame.
In both cases, we see it entirely plausible that the Jan 6 prosecution is a massive con job with a *story* of connected dots, using cherry-picked evidence, cherry-picked witnesses, embedded double-agents, threats, blackmail, and God knows what other malfeasance, as an existential fight to protect the powers of a few -- specifically, by getting us ready for a "domestic terrorism" PATRIOT II Act, preventing forevermore the "wrong" protests. Our Fed Gov and MSM blew it the last few decades CREATING this monster, designed to protect a now deeply undemocratic system. And the 100 million or so resisting it, and more joining us, are going to be quite a job to tackle, because we all see now the psy-op is now dying and thrashing wildly and carelessly.
The Establishment wants us be wowed by the brilliance of their sophistry and their relentless determination ("resilience") ... yet we also notice they are methodically, both psychologically (stealth wokeness injections everywhere, tying the Republican voters' 2016 Trump "Hail Mary" pass with him personally, etc. etc.) and physically (destroying industry, removing rights, etc. etc.) killing us off. Hard to unsee it at this stage; they've certainly overplayed their hand provoking us (oh yeah, there's now also relentless "news" about the "unprovoked invasion", now being repeated ad nausem, LOL Please!!). And they laugh at us for resisting. ("Resistance"... hmm, where have I heard this word before?).
This Jan 6 juggernaut is most certainly another piece of this ongoing sh*tshow. We may not know *which* pieces are rotten, but we certainly know they're in there.
OMG you need to get out of your bubble. Maybe start by watching the hearings yourself. Watch the STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES who are testifying under oath against trump - which I know that's hard for you to hear since despite your pretense at wanting the truth from "both sides" I'm about 90% positive that you aren't watching the hearings. You're getting a slanted cherry picked spin from one of those nutty conspiracy theory "news" sites. 2000 Mules??? Dude that's propaganda. Yeah, I did watch it. You wanna hear what Navarro REALLY said and did? Watch the hearings with your own two eyes and quit outsourcing your brain. Bill Barr is a "cherry picked" witness?? Cassidy Hutchinson? Pat Cippolone?? Eric Hershmann? IVANKA & JARED?? These are trump's inner circle man! WATCH FOR YOURSELF! What are you scared of? That you -- like trump's inner circle - will discover THE TRUTH and it's not what you want it to be? TRUMP LOST. The 60+ court cases aren't being hidden from the public - they are literally public record! You can read the cases -- all of them -- for yourself! SIXTY COURTS?? You seriously think they all got it wrong?? Many of them were trump appointed judges who voted for him!! Even SCOTUS didn't save him! Because HE LOST and the "evidence" does not exist. Also - this is pointless, because you also think COVID is fake. So enjoy your bubble. You actually seem like you're invested enough and literate enough to break free of it - but you like it in there I think.
"STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES who are testifying under oath against trump"
Did you hear what I said? NONE of it can be trusted, because ALL of it is a contrived show, starting with the screamingly-obvious entrapment of the Jan 6 protesters -- even all the supposed turncoats-coming-to-Jesus. Why? Because it is a *story*, a story presented *by one side*, run with with cherry-picked "opposition" (Cheney and Kinzinger). Because the true litmus test, supported by hundreds of years of Western justice, is this: Is the opposition allowed the defense to present its case, in a complete and organized way? No? End of story. If you don't understand the FATAL flaw in this, then sir, you are the naive one.
This is NOT to say crimes weren't committed by the various members of the defense, or anything of the sort -- take these up in the courts, where they belong!
"Bill Barr is a 'cherry picked' witness?? Cassidy Hutchinson? Pat Cippolone?? Eric Hershmann? IVANKA & JARED??"
We have NO IDEA -- yet -- how many minds are being manipulated prior to testimony; careers are being threatened; who were long-con planted moles ("STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES", yeah, I'll be checking that out; and BTW, I'm a Leftist ... and oh, study up, will you, on Bill Barr?); who's lying with the approval and protection-promise of the Establishment; which witness/interrogee behaviors and statements are *not* being told to us; who made honest mistakes that are now asserted-without-opposition as malfeasance; etc, etc, etc. The problems go on and on, I haven't even touched on all I've learned about the lead up... Please, if you've got at least a couple of decades of adulthood under your belt, slap some sense into yourself!
"I'm about 90% positive that you aren't watching the hearings. ... What are you scared of? "
I'm not "scared" of anything here. Sure, there ARE crimes that have been discovered. But you "just don't get it" (my favorite feminist phrase from the 90s). You're goddam right I'm not wasting my precious time watching live, or even monitoring, this kangaroo-court-from-the-get-go. It's actually more productive to collect my thoughts, here, than puke every 5 minutes to the mid-f*ckery going on there, or worse, be taken in by it -- because this is world-class, state-of-the-art propaganda. If you don't understand that, then you've missed a few decades of political reality ... oh, from about the 1950s. But I *WILL* analyze it thoroughly once it's concluded, and apply my decades of communication theory and politics education and knowledge to it then.
This modern-day Inquisition is not a trial. It is a carefully planned propaganda monstrosity to assert a pre-planned conclusion. It has no interest in "truth". It is intended, ultimately, to demonize ALL political opposition, and result in PATRIOT II Act against an alleged "domestic terrorism". BTW, I saw, live, the original Watergate investigation, so I know what a true one looks like.
Your other ravings I believe I've addressed earlier.
Here's an example of just the intrigue I'm talking about that flies under the radar, revealed just a couple days ago:
"What is Adam Schiff Hiding?
"Schiff tucked an amendment into the National Defense Authorization Act that would prohibit any evidence collected in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act from being used in investigations. Why?"
https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/14/what-is-adam-schiff-hiding/
More reason there is NO WAY I'm passing judgment on anything currently being shown under these bright lights, no matter how outwardly convincing. If Donald Trump himself made a full, blubbering confession I wouldn't believe it until ALL the facts were in. After all, he's a liar, is he not? And don't you think that about all the alt-right, no? How are any of the turncoat confessions believable? Who gets to decide??
As I said earlier, NOTHING in US politics in 2022 can be taken at face value, least of all in this censored court. Anybody who lets this slide in our fog of [hybrid] war is not taking seriously their duty as citizens in a democracy.
"... because you also think COVID is fake."
I don't think COVID is fake. But I think is beyond obvious, two and a half years later, that it was highly manipulated, and its management highly distorted, for both short and long term political reasons (some downright chilling), as well as for the typical if not still obscene financial rewards of the corrupt grifters who have now completely infested gov and industry, to the West's ongoing downfall.
You must understand if the Establishment will tell unlimited lies, and perform unlimited crimes, to result in billions of stolen dollars and millions of unnecessary deaths, it's a small matter to do whatever it takes to get the Jan 6 Inquisition to come to the conclusion they want. That's my starting point.
Get the fuck outta town...