Pretty much the whole woke program. The idea that there isn't much economic opportunity in this country or that all its problems fall at the feet of rich people and corporations (certainly many do, but hardly all). The generally reflexive anti-Americanism, anti-science/evidence and anti-tradition bent to much of the approved left discourse.
Massive blind eye/shoulder shrug to the ruination of the concept of censorship/free speech/independent press.
And generally a raft of pretty shitty and ineffective economic policies. I tend to agree that corporate dominance of the economy and rising inequality are problems our society should address. But mostly think the leftist solutions are pure garbage that will make everyone poorer and not help anyone.
You need to reform capitalism/market economics from a position of respect, because it is frankly the best tool in our economic toolbox. Fuck even the USSR knew that, Stalin and Lenin knew that (look up the NEP). So you can't have a bunch of childish 20 something "yay post-capitalism" morons running around setting your economic policy.
More free college for all, more $150k Art history degrees, and when the economy cannot find productive work for them it is General Mill's and Amazon's fault!
Our modern economics and political economy is in bad need of patching. But it just needs patching. So many on the left want to burn it down and replace it with stuff that clearly isn't going to work and is only appealing because it is easy answers and free money. until as we are seeing right now the inflation monster comes.
UBI? A joke, unless you are actually going to let the people who misuse it suffer and roll back the other programs.
Right on with all your comments up until UBI. It can't be "misused" it's your income. it's just using government money (yes much printed from thin air by Jerome) to directly benefit people as opposed to the current shit show of indirect benefits.
The problem with most government programs is if you work you lose them. If you pay people not to work they won't. UBI still incentivizes work.
"You need to reform capitalism/market economics from a position of respect, " YES!
1) If we give everyone a say $25k/year UBI, when someone spends that on booze and gambling, or fucking Amway are we still also going to have the other social safety net we are supposedly eliminating to provide the UBI? Because if we don't take away those other support structures it doesn't really get us anywhere. It is also ruinously expensive.
2) You are wildly underestimating how much it would disincentivize work. Anyone with experience raising even lightly spoiled teenagers into adulthood knows that providing even a child raised upper middle class, a lower middle class floor on their existence, or even a "poor" floor on their existence where they aren't in the street, incentivizes like 40% of them to never make anything of themselves.
Why get a job when I can smoke pot all day, play CoD and live in this ratty motel on my UBI? That type of behavior among people who would otherwise be productive members of society would skyrocket. And that is a very bad thing.
You take most people and kick them out into the world if they are say a college dropout, and make them work or be on the streets, and a huge portion of them will find a way to be at least a marginally productive member of society. Provide them a path where they they do not need to work to support themselves, and you are just entrenching a permanently non-working underclass. And let me tell you once someone hasn't held a job for 3-5 years, they don't get more employable they get less so. UBI is like begging to triple or quintuple the number of NEETs.
I think you need to calibrate the number so that "basic" is absolute basic. 25K is too much. 12K a year seems more reasonable. The idea is to give you a "net not a hammock"
One issue with the left is every lower class or person down on their luck is a "victim" and it's not their fault. To your point the reality is there are pieces of shit in society who don't want to do jack and good people who need a hand. UBI will enable pieces of shit to do more (less?) jack shit. But it will also give a leg up to the good people (essentially leveling the playing field with the upper classes who give "UBI" to their offspring in the form of help from Mom and Dad). The mental health dividend for the good people to have groceries covered at least would be huge. I am willing to accept the pot smoking COD players as I think the program would be a net benefit to society. There will be 100% propensity to consume and drive economic activity at least from the the layabouts.
We also need our "leaders" to stop blaming the man for everyone's ills and reenforcing personal responsibility and duty. "Ask not..." This "not your fault" framing is destructive and tragic for the US.
You may well be right here Martin and I may be wrong - I do think it is worth a try... We bailed out millionaire bankers in the GFC as Matt so effectively wrote about. Time to give the little guy a place at the trough.
The national dialogue has been captured by D.C. pay-to-play revolving door thugs paid to ignore the across the board installation of a Marxist commissariat and the intended world installation of a CCP/WEF style totalitarian financial feudalism. J6 makes us squirm in our seats because we know that it, like countless other political airballs is a sideshow distraction. When totalitarian financiers say that by 2060 "..you will own nothing and be happy.." they mean it. And it's the same grifting monkey. Access to an easily manipulated subsistence level labor pool and unfettered access to the exploitation of natural resources without responsibility or consequence.
I dislike the leftists who think that somehow they are entitiled to the hard earned money that I have earned. i dislike the leftist politicies that say an eagle egg is an eagle but a human egg is not a human. I dislike the leftist politicies that want me to buy into the insanity that you can mutilate your body and pretend you are a woman and force me to go along with your clear insanity.
You apparently have no idea what the word bigot means but then I don't expect you to since you and your friends are constantly changing the vocabulary to meet your pathetic needs, which seem to be many. I was not born with a silver spoon I had to work to be able to buy it. I suggest you and your friends do the same. If you work for a living you come to appreciate what you have and don't stand around whining about what others have. Envy is the worst leftist policy. It is the foundation of your beliefs. You want everyone to be envious of what others have.
Yeah, these folks really do think someone else owes them a living...but when you have no work ethic, zero zilch nada, maybe that is your fallback position.
, magical monetary theory , defund the police , locking down the schools , support for the suppression of speech, use of political violence , double mastectomies on young girls to make them boys, exporting pollution by having other countries pump oil, opposing nuclear power . I could go on but why bother
Bothering is important. ENVY and hatred drives these people. It is important that there are voices speaking out against their perverted views. and they are perverted. Only an insane person would castrate their own sons and mutilate their own daughters. Mutilating children is beyond the pale and those of us who are sane must speak out against it. Volcanoes accepting human sacrifice have nothing on these mentally ill people who are being supported by a bunch of blind sheep.
I suspect a continual majority of voters is far less enchanted with BernieтАЩs version of socialism than Matt and his mentor Noam can be. ThereтАЩs nothing about capitalism in the Constitution, but itтАЩs the economic system that produces the results more Americans want. I think of it as a constant experiment among some 200 nations. At the moment I think socialism/communism/collectivism has about 20 fans worldwide. Must be a capitalist conspiracy.
So what Leftist policies do you dislike so much?
And yes, I DO find bigots to be disgusting. You got a problem with that?
Pretty much the whole woke program. The idea that there isn't much economic opportunity in this country or that all its problems fall at the feet of rich people and corporations (certainly many do, but hardly all). The generally reflexive anti-Americanism, anti-science/evidence and anti-tradition bent to much of the approved left discourse.
Massive blind eye/shoulder shrug to the ruination of the concept of censorship/free speech/independent press.
And generally a raft of pretty shitty and ineffective economic policies. I tend to agree that corporate dominance of the economy and rising inequality are problems our society should address. But mostly think the leftist solutions are pure garbage that will make everyone poorer and not help anyone.
You need to reform capitalism/market economics from a position of respect, because it is frankly the best tool in our economic toolbox. Fuck even the USSR knew that, Stalin and Lenin knew that (look up the NEP). So you can't have a bunch of childish 20 something "yay post-capitalism" morons running around setting your economic policy.
More free college for all, more $150k Art history degrees, and when the economy cannot find productive work for them it is General Mill's and Amazon's fault!
Our modern economics and political economy is in bad need of patching. But it just needs patching. So many on the left want to burn it down and replace it with stuff that clearly isn't going to work and is only appealing because it is easy answers and free money. until as we are seeing right now the inflation monster comes.
UBI? A joke, unless you are actually going to let the people who misuse it suffer and roll back the other programs.
Right on with all your comments up until UBI. It can't be "misused" it's your income. it's just using government money (yes much printed from thin air by Jerome) to directly benefit people as opposed to the current shit show of indirect benefits.
The problem with most government programs is if you work you lose them. If you pay people not to work they won't. UBI still incentivizes work.
"You need to reform capitalism/market economics from a position of respect, " YES!
Twos things about UBI.
1) If we give everyone a say $25k/year UBI, when someone spends that on booze and gambling, or fucking Amway are we still also going to have the other social safety net we are supposedly eliminating to provide the UBI? Because if we don't take away those other support structures it doesn't really get us anywhere. It is also ruinously expensive.
2) You are wildly underestimating how much it would disincentivize work. Anyone with experience raising even lightly spoiled teenagers into adulthood knows that providing even a child raised upper middle class, a lower middle class floor on their existence, or even a "poor" floor on their existence where they aren't in the street, incentivizes like 40% of them to never make anything of themselves.
Why get a job when I can smoke pot all day, play CoD and live in this ratty motel on my UBI? That type of behavior among people who would otherwise be productive members of society would skyrocket. And that is a very bad thing.
You take most people and kick them out into the world if they are say a college dropout, and make them work or be on the streets, and a huge portion of them will find a way to be at least a marginally productive member of society. Provide them a path where they they do not need to work to support themselves, and you are just entrenching a permanently non-working underclass. And let me tell you once someone hasn't held a job for 3-5 years, they don't get more employable they get less so. UBI is like begging to triple or quintuple the number of NEETs.
Wait, I was supposed to make something of myself?
You must be a millennial, Aron Blue! But I still love you.
At least enough that you don't need to rely on others to support you.
Yes, Liberal/Leftists don't understand human nature too well.
Beautifully said, Martin Blank. Thanks for taking the time.
It is because academics lead the left, and human nature is by definition unmodelable.
If you can't measure it and get a significant t-stat, it just gets lumped into the residual.
Good points - I think it's an important debate
I think you need to calibrate the number so that "basic" is absolute basic. 25K is too much. 12K a year seems more reasonable. The idea is to give you a "net not a hammock"
One issue with the left is every lower class or person down on their luck is a "victim" and it's not their fault. To your point the reality is there are pieces of shit in society who don't want to do jack and good people who need a hand. UBI will enable pieces of shit to do more (less?) jack shit. But it will also give a leg up to the good people (essentially leveling the playing field with the upper classes who give "UBI" to their offspring in the form of help from Mom and Dad). The mental health dividend for the good people to have groceries covered at least would be huge. I am willing to accept the pot smoking COD players as I think the program would be a net benefit to society. There will be 100% propensity to consume and drive economic activity at least from the the layabouts.
We also need our "leaders" to stop blaming the man for everyone's ills and reenforcing personal responsibility and duty. "Ask not..." This "not your fault" framing is destructive and tragic for the US.
You may well be right here Martin and I may be wrong - I do think it is worth a try... We bailed out millionaire bankers in the GFC as Matt so effectively wrote about. Time to give the little guy a place at the trough.
Oh I am 1000% against bailing out bankers. I would much rather have seen some UBI than that. But I am against both.
Yep. That's some of it. BUT!!
The national dialogue has been captured by D.C. pay-to-play revolving door thugs paid to ignore the across the board installation of a Marxist commissariat and the intended world installation of a CCP/WEF style totalitarian financial feudalism. J6 makes us squirm in our seats because we know that it, like countless other political airballs is a sideshow distraction. When totalitarian financiers say that by 2060 "..you will own nothing and be happy.." they mean it. And it's the same grifting monkey. Access to an easily manipulated subsistence level labor pool and unfettered access to the exploitation of natural resources without responsibility or consequence.
I dislike the leftists who think that somehow they are entitiled to the hard earned money that I have earned. i dislike the leftist politicies that say an eagle egg is an eagle but a human egg is not a human. I dislike the leftist politicies that want me to buy into the insanity that you can mutilate your body and pretend you are a woman and force me to go along with your clear insanity.
You apparently have no idea what the word bigot means but then I don't expect you to since you and your friends are constantly changing the vocabulary to meet your pathetic needs, which seem to be many. I was not born with a silver spoon I had to work to be able to buy it. I suggest you and your friends do the same. If you work for a living you come to appreciate what you have and don't stand around whining about what others have. Envy is the worst leftist policy. It is the foundation of your beliefs. You want everyone to be envious of what others have.
They think if they smash capitalism, they will get paid a living wage to write slam poetry.
Yeah, these folks really do think someone else owes them a living...but when you have no work ethic, zero zilch nada, maybe that is your fallback position.
This!
, magical monetary theory , defund the police , locking down the schools , support for the suppression of speech, use of political violence , double mastectomies on young girls to make them boys, exporting pollution by having other countries pump oil, opposing nuclear power . I could go on but why bother
Bothering is important. ENVY and hatred drives these people. It is important that there are voices speaking out against their perverted views. and they are perverted. Only an insane person would castrate their own sons and mutilate their own daughters. Mutilating children is beyond the pale and those of us who are sane must speak out against it. Volcanoes accepting human sacrifice have nothing on these mentally ill people who are being supported by a bunch of blind sheep.
I suspect a continual majority of voters is far less enchanted with BernieтАЩs version of socialism than Matt and his mentor Noam can be. ThereтАЩs nothing about capitalism in the Constitution, but itтАЩs the economic system that produces the results more Americans want. I think of it as a constant experiment among some 200 nations. At the moment I think socialism/communism/collectivism has about 20 fans worldwide. Must be a capitalist conspiracy.
Well said.
Maam, this is an Arby's