Do you think it would ever occur to Cambridge's residents that their actions represent the actions of decadent citizens in "late stages" empire and *not* the actions of the vanguard of those on the "right side of history"?
I wish it was just Cambridge. Since the Whig party appeared exactly 200 years ago, MAтАЩs governorship has been a mix; 38 Republicans and 20 Democrats. However, these past 40 years voters have provided the Dems full control of the House and Senate.
The saying тАШthey know not what they doтАЩ comes to mind. My mother was born there as was her entire fatherтАЩs family back to seven Pilgrim families on the Mayflower. My motherтАЩs material grandmother goes back to the landing of the Puritans in 1630. So you can see why my original comment. They founded Harvard.
MA only ever elects a certain milquetoast, Uber-establishmentarian sort of тАЬRepublican,тАЭ and even then they do so reluctantly, in the belief that its the only way to place a handbrake on the worst of beacon hillтАЩs taxation fever dreams. I mean hell, the most recent pre-Baker тАЬGOPтАЭ MA gov enacted such comprehensive universal healthcare that Obama viewed it as aspirational
Thanks for that history. Your situation is very different from here in the Mountain West, where things are much younger, of course.
Can I ask you - have the voters given the Dems that control, or do you think other forces are at work? I often puzzle over the complete control they seem to gain in places like California, where it seems impossible to uproot them regardless of how terrible they are.
Colorado has always been purple but in the last two decades they have been systematically tightening their control over the state while slowly pushing the Republicans ever closer to the margins. But in down ballot issues, their proposals get shot down at election time, which tells me that they don't enjoy broad, democratic mandates. So I wonder: what tools is this party using to create one party rule around the country?
Boy Daniel, I wish I knew the answer to that. I keep asking myself, how can it be the people? Certain issues come to mind like mind control that occurs in College/Univ, TV/movies/news, and of course election theft to name a few. History is only a generation deep тАУ we all learn from life as we live it, not when others did. Infiltration into the institutions of power is a mighty weapon. Liberal politicians with their rhetoric of spoils to all who vote for me is truly disgusting - the fact that it works (Bernie and others). It is across the country, the schools via boards and teacherтАЩs unions, the libraries and such.
I was born in CA and moved to MO with hubby and boys when Reagan was Governor. IтАЩve lived twice in the beautiful state of OR, with its retched government. Very deep pockets of money can buy just about anything and that is what we are seeing, even with the Covid stuff. At this juncture the roller coaster is going downhill and there is no railing at the end of the track. It is no wonder Matt wants to know why liberals will not open the eyes. Me too.
Here in MA, i think a lot of it comes from the near extinction of old school New England Republicans. I think if Baker and / or Karen Polito (Charlie Baker's Lieutenant Gov.) ran again, they would have won it. This time we got a wingnut Trumper running for governor. We get some out there MIT libertarian types too. Oh, we're a Democratic state, but 66% registered Indy.
I think Republicans just gave up here. I also think that people are seriously pissed about the migrant crisis here. If there were any of those decent Repubs left in the state, now would be an optimal time to throw their hats in the ring.
If by "old school Republicans", you mean establishment Republicans like Romney...
Not sure how you square wanting old school Republicans, with your concerns about the migrant crisis.
Establishment Republicans are just as much in favor of open borders as Democrats.
You want to control the border, but complain about "Wingnut Trumpers".
Controlling the border is Trump's signature issue - the issue which most motivates his opposition to hate him.
True, even some Democrats (Like mayors in NYC and Chicago) are now showing concern - but only because it now affects THEM. They are fine with it affecting border states, and some are even proposing things like keeping the migrants from leaving the border states.
Not familiar with MA governor's race... I agree that some MAGA candidates are "wingnuts", but would also say that 2 years ago, any politician arguing against open borders would be branded a "wingnut", "racist", and "Trumper", and it is only now that the problems associated with open borders have come to big blue cities, that it now appears acceptable to acknowledge that open borders has some downsides. Two years ago, NYC mayor Eric Adams was all in on open borders & sanctuary cities - but now he is singing a different tune.
Seems some people can't see two steps ahead.
Biden promised to "surge" immigrants to the border in a 2020 debate, and he has kept his promise. Immigrants are flying to Mexico on tourist visas from China, Africa, Europe - everywhere - and being let into the US. And then they call their relatives and friends back home, and say: "Yes, I was let in, and set free. Come on over!"
What do you expect to happen?
Anyone running on reducing immigration will be defined as a racist Trumper wingnut.
"Anyone running on reducing immigration will be defined as a racist Trumper wingnut."
Probably not anymore. Because the migrants are getting placed in bulk in small and medium sized towns around the state here now who are unequipped to handle it. Financially, spacewise, and otherwise. They're not just getting stuffed out of sight and mind in the poorest city neignborhoods.
Yeah, old school Repubs like Romney, Weld, Baker and Polito. They may like the cheap labor but they're not really sanctuary staters either. And they'd have some serious problems with the strain on the budget. Even the Dems are freaking out here now.
Governors are kind of a figurehead, that sign the laws passed by the legislature which in MA has been all Dems for decades. Could it be that there are many college grads in the state? Or, the precincts are all run by Dems who can check at poll closing how many more votes are needed?
As long as folks there continue to think Trump was bad for the country so those that supported him would be bad for the state, perhaps MA needs to change out its state house with majority republicans.
Republican governors in blue states are (ideally) there to keep a hairy eye on the purse strings and a check on a solid Democratic legislature. I'm not feeling that we need a majority Republican statehouse, i'd be happy with a good balance. If any issue got us there, it would probably be immigration.
It could be that Republicans in Blue states are what I call lightweight Republicans or mellow Dems. In my state we have to watch for Dems putting on GOP clothes to get elected then voting against laws to ban CRT and trans training in schools and trans drugs/surgeries on minors.
Now that 'hellish' is even a better description.
Do you think it would ever occur to Cambridge's residents that their actions represent the actions of decadent citizens in "late stages" empire and *not* the actions of the vanguard of those on the "right side of history"?
I wish it was just Cambridge. Since the Whig party appeared exactly 200 years ago, MAтАЩs governorship has been a mix; 38 Republicans and 20 Democrats. However, these past 40 years voters have provided the Dems full control of the House and Senate.
The saying тАШthey know not what they doтАЩ comes to mind. My mother was born there as was her entire fatherтАЩs family back to seven Pilgrim families on the Mayflower. My motherтАЩs material grandmother goes back to the landing of the Puritans in 1630. So you can see why my original comment. They founded Harvard.
MA only ever elects a certain milquetoast, Uber-establishmentarian sort of тАЬRepublican,тАЭ and even then they do so reluctantly, in the belief that its the only way to place a handbrake on the worst of beacon hillтАЩs taxation fever dreams. I mean hell, the most recent pre-Baker тАЬGOPтАЭ MA gov enacted such comprehensive universal healthcare that Obama viewed it as aspirational
Thanks for that history. Your situation is very different from here in the Mountain West, where things are much younger, of course.
Can I ask you - have the voters given the Dems that control, or do you think other forces are at work? I often puzzle over the complete control they seem to gain in places like California, where it seems impossible to uproot them regardless of how terrible they are.
Colorado has always been purple but in the last two decades they have been systematically tightening their control over the state while slowly pushing the Republicans ever closer to the margins. But in down ballot issues, their proposals get shot down at election time, which tells me that they don't enjoy broad, democratic mandates. So I wonder: what tools is this party using to create one party rule around the country?
Boy Daniel, I wish I knew the answer to that. I keep asking myself, how can it be the people? Certain issues come to mind like mind control that occurs in College/Univ, TV/movies/news, and of course election theft to name a few. History is only a generation deep тАУ we all learn from life as we live it, not when others did. Infiltration into the institutions of power is a mighty weapon. Liberal politicians with their rhetoric of spoils to all who vote for me is truly disgusting - the fact that it works (Bernie and others). It is across the country, the schools via boards and teacherтАЩs unions, the libraries and such.
I was born in CA and moved to MO with hubby and boys when Reagan was Governor. IтАЩve lived twice in the beautiful state of OR, with its retched government. Very deep pockets of money can buy just about anything and that is what we are seeing, even with the Covid stuff. At this juncture the roller coaster is going downhill and there is no railing at the end of the track. It is no wonder Matt wants to know why liberals will not open the eyes. Me too.
Here in MA, i think a lot of it comes from the near extinction of old school New England Republicans. I think if Baker and / or Karen Polito (Charlie Baker's Lieutenant Gov.) ran again, they would have won it. This time we got a wingnut Trumper running for governor. We get some out there MIT libertarian types too. Oh, we're a Democratic state, but 66% registered Indy.
I think Republicans just gave up here. I also think that people are seriously pissed about the migrant crisis here. If there were any of those decent Repubs left in the state, now would be an optimal time to throw their hats in the ring.
If by "old school Republicans", you mean establishment Republicans like Romney...
Not sure how you square wanting old school Republicans, with your concerns about the migrant crisis.
Establishment Republicans are just as much in favor of open borders as Democrats.
You want to control the border, but complain about "Wingnut Trumpers".
Controlling the border is Trump's signature issue - the issue which most motivates his opposition to hate him.
True, even some Democrats (Like mayors in NYC and Chicago) are now showing concern - but only because it now affects THEM. They are fine with it affecting border states, and some are even proposing things like keeping the migrants from leaving the border states.
Not familiar with MA governor's race... I agree that some MAGA candidates are "wingnuts", but would also say that 2 years ago, any politician arguing against open borders would be branded a "wingnut", "racist", and "Trumper", and it is only now that the problems associated with open borders have come to big blue cities, that it now appears acceptable to acknowledge that open borders has some downsides. Two years ago, NYC mayor Eric Adams was all in on open borders & sanctuary cities - but now he is singing a different tune.
Seems some people can't see two steps ahead.
Biden promised to "surge" immigrants to the border in a 2020 debate, and he has kept his promise. Immigrants are flying to Mexico on tourist visas from China, Africa, Europe - everywhere - and being let into the US. And then they call their relatives and friends back home, and say: "Yes, I was let in, and set free. Come on over!"
What do you expect to happen?
Anyone running on reducing immigration will be defined as a racist Trumper wingnut.
"Anyone running on reducing immigration will be defined as a racist Trumper wingnut."
Probably not anymore. Because the migrants are getting placed in bulk in small and medium sized towns around the state here now who are unequipped to handle it. Financially, spacewise, and otherwise. They're not just getting stuffed out of sight and mind in the poorest city neignborhoods.
Yeah, old school Repubs like Romney, Weld, Baker and Polito. They may like the cheap labor but they're not really sanctuary staters either. And they'd have some serious problems with the strain on the budget. Even the Dems are freaking out here now.
Governors are kind of a figurehead, that sign the laws passed by the legislature which in MA has been all Dems for decades. Could it be that there are many college grads in the state? Or, the precincts are all run by Dems who can check at poll closing how many more votes are needed?
As long as folks there continue to think Trump was bad for the country so those that supported him would be bad for the state, perhaps MA needs to change out its state house with majority republicans.
Republican governors in blue states are (ideally) there to keep a hairy eye on the purse strings and a check on a solid Democratic legislature. I'm not feeling that we need a majority Republican statehouse, i'd be happy with a good balance. If any issue got us there, it would probably be immigration.
It could be that Republicans in Blue states are what I call lightweight Republicans or mellow Dems. In my state we have to watch for Dems putting on GOP clothes to get elected then voting against laws to ban CRT and trans training in schools and trans drugs/surgeries on minors.