Yes, I do think Canadians here on visas should be able to participate in discussions regarding tariffs: odds are they have something that WE NEED TO HEAR! Why is your default assumption that anything students or visitors from other countries say is "replete with lies and distortions"? Do you want to live under a monarchy, with only the w…
Yes, I do think Canadians here on visas should be able to participate in discussions regarding tariffs: odds are they have something that WE NEED TO HEAR! Why is your default assumption that anything students or visitors from other countries say is "replete with lies and distortions"? Do you want to live under a monarchy, with only the word of the US government-du-jour permitted to be heard, with anything else considered false? How do you define something as "contrary to the interests of the United States?" I've lived through the US government lying about Iran, Guatemala, Vietnam, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and yes, Palestine/Israel. If your default position isn't that our government is lying to us, then you definitely haven't been paying attention. And even if you still want students deported on the grounds of speech, do you think it proper for a squad of masked, armed officers to snatch that student off the street, a YEAR after a published piece, and haul her a thousand miles away to jail? What is the point of that, other than to spread terror akin to that of US-backed death squads in El Salvador or Argentina? Ask yourself this, and think hard before you answer: are you a citizen, or are you a subject?
Well most of the information I’ve read and heard from the Hamas side of things is just false. Interesting choice of words you used, “participate”. Do you think they should be able to block others from attending class, instruct students how to disrupt campus and public areas, etc? And the US defines what is “contrary to US interests; more specifically the SOS or current administration, that’s who. AS IT SHOULD. We don’t have a “visitor bill of rights”, nor does any other country. The rules are spelled out for every visitor to see, so it’s hardly unfair or out of nowhere. Your hyperbolic “live under a monarchy” is directed at the Biden administration, right? For targeting parents, catholic, “domestic terrorists”, etc. So I agree with you there, it seems Trump is resisting the urge though. But many Americans are very happy that foreign agitators are finally being shown the door, and since there’s 1.1 million foreign students, I’m sure you’d agree 300 is a tiny percentage. And yes, the govt has lied about many things but I don’t see your point. They’re not rounding up Americans, they’re going after foreign visa holders causing disruptions in our country. And yes, masked or not, since these nut jobs are targeting Tesla employees, doxxing auditors with DOGE, leaking and doxxing law enforcement operations and officers, yes, I’m very glad they are taking necessary precautions to avoid these “protesters” from trying to cause them harm. Does that make sense to you? And I’m a citizen, are you? What in the world is the purpose of that question? My goodness.
No, Uncle Bubbles, you are making shit up. Take the case of Rumeysa Ozturk, the Tufts University Ph.D student seized on the street by masked officers, and shipped off to Louisiana. She came to the US on a Fulbright, got a Master's Degree at Columbia, and was 10 months away from finishing her dissertation in Psychology. She hadn't "targeted Tesla employees, doxxed auditors with DOGE, leaked or doxxed law enforcement officers." No, the Trump administration wants to boot her out of the country because back in March 2024 she co-authored an op-ed in the student newspaper. You're projecting some group of Molotov-cocktail tossing foreigners, when Ozturk and others are nothing of the sort. It doesn't matter that to date it's "only" 300, because the clearly stated intent of Trump, Rubio, etc is to greatly increase that number. At this point, any foreign student or faculty would have to be crazy to think about coming to the United States, since, again, the clearly stated position of Trump et al is that such students or faculty can be seized at any time, accused of no crime, provided no legal process whatsoever, sent a thousand miles away to some hellhole jail, and then put on a plane, not necessarily even back to their homeland, all because the Inquisition has determined such a student or faculty member is guilty of wrongthink. Wake the fuck up, and look at what is happening here. Those same ideas that visa holders and green-card holders are prohibited from expressing will soon be off limits to us, as well. Once again, I'll ask you: are we citizens, or are we subjects?
They are claiming that she did more than just express an opinion. You can say that you don't believe it, but we just don't know what they are actually charging her with.
"They are claiming." I can claim I'm Napoleon, with exactly the same lack of evidence. The Feds haven't pressed ANY criminal charges against Rumeysa Ozturk, only stating that they have revoked her student visa. We do know that the genocide-supporting Canary Mission organization, along with the fascist Betar US, are supplying lists to the Feds of students and faculty they want deported, because those students have protested Israel's slaughter of Palestinians. Trump & Co are doing an end-run around the Bill of Rights (which refers to "persons," not to "citizens") by jailing and deporting student visa and Green Card (permanent resident) holders using the smokescreen of immigration and customs enforcement. No charges, no hearing, no judicial process whatsoever. Ozturk came to the US legally, on a Fulbright scholarship, earned a Master's Degree at Columbia, and is close to finishing her Ph.D at Tufts. She's been in the US for seven years. For co-authoring an op-ed in the student newspaper A YEAR AGO, she's seized on the street, disappeared to a jail in Louisiana, and subsequently moved twice more, such that her lawyers have had difficulty even finding out where she is. If you think this is OK, you're a fan of rank authoritarianism, and no defender of the Bill of Rights.
Yes, I do think Canadians here on visas should be able to participate in discussions regarding tariffs: odds are they have something that WE NEED TO HEAR! Why is your default assumption that anything students or visitors from other countries say is "replete with lies and distortions"? Do you want to live under a monarchy, with only the word of the US government-du-jour permitted to be heard, with anything else considered false? How do you define something as "contrary to the interests of the United States?" I've lived through the US government lying about Iran, Guatemala, Vietnam, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and yes, Palestine/Israel. If your default position isn't that our government is lying to us, then you definitely haven't been paying attention. And even if you still want students deported on the grounds of speech, do you think it proper for a squad of masked, armed officers to snatch that student off the street, a YEAR after a published piece, and haul her a thousand miles away to jail? What is the point of that, other than to spread terror akin to that of US-backed death squads in El Salvador or Argentina? Ask yourself this, and think hard before you answer: are you a citizen, or are you a subject?
Well most of the information I’ve read and heard from the Hamas side of things is just false. Interesting choice of words you used, “participate”. Do you think they should be able to block others from attending class, instruct students how to disrupt campus and public areas, etc? And the US defines what is “contrary to US interests; more specifically the SOS or current administration, that’s who. AS IT SHOULD. We don’t have a “visitor bill of rights”, nor does any other country. The rules are spelled out for every visitor to see, so it’s hardly unfair or out of nowhere. Your hyperbolic “live under a monarchy” is directed at the Biden administration, right? For targeting parents, catholic, “domestic terrorists”, etc. So I agree with you there, it seems Trump is resisting the urge though. But many Americans are very happy that foreign agitators are finally being shown the door, and since there’s 1.1 million foreign students, I’m sure you’d agree 300 is a tiny percentage. And yes, the govt has lied about many things but I don’t see your point. They’re not rounding up Americans, they’re going after foreign visa holders causing disruptions in our country. And yes, masked or not, since these nut jobs are targeting Tesla employees, doxxing auditors with DOGE, leaking and doxxing law enforcement operations and officers, yes, I’m very glad they are taking necessary precautions to avoid these “protesters” from trying to cause them harm. Does that make sense to you? And I’m a citizen, are you? What in the world is the purpose of that question? My goodness.
No, Uncle Bubbles, you are making shit up. Take the case of Rumeysa Ozturk, the Tufts University Ph.D student seized on the street by masked officers, and shipped off to Louisiana. She came to the US on a Fulbright, got a Master's Degree at Columbia, and was 10 months away from finishing her dissertation in Psychology. She hadn't "targeted Tesla employees, doxxed auditors with DOGE, leaked or doxxed law enforcement officers." No, the Trump administration wants to boot her out of the country because back in March 2024 she co-authored an op-ed in the student newspaper. You're projecting some group of Molotov-cocktail tossing foreigners, when Ozturk and others are nothing of the sort. It doesn't matter that to date it's "only" 300, because the clearly stated intent of Trump, Rubio, etc is to greatly increase that number. At this point, any foreign student or faculty would have to be crazy to think about coming to the United States, since, again, the clearly stated position of Trump et al is that such students or faculty can be seized at any time, accused of no crime, provided no legal process whatsoever, sent a thousand miles away to some hellhole jail, and then put on a plane, not necessarily even back to their homeland, all because the Inquisition has determined such a student or faculty member is guilty of wrongthink. Wake the fuck up, and look at what is happening here. Those same ideas that visa holders and green-card holders are prohibited from expressing will soon be off limits to us, as well. Once again, I'll ask you: are we citizens, or are we subjects?
They are claiming that she did more than just express an opinion. You can say that you don't believe it, but we just don't know what they are actually charging her with.
"They are claiming." I can claim I'm Napoleon, with exactly the same lack of evidence. The Feds haven't pressed ANY criminal charges against Rumeysa Ozturk, only stating that they have revoked her student visa. We do know that the genocide-supporting Canary Mission organization, along with the fascist Betar US, are supplying lists to the Feds of students and faculty they want deported, because those students have protested Israel's slaughter of Palestinians. Trump & Co are doing an end-run around the Bill of Rights (which refers to "persons," not to "citizens") by jailing and deporting student visa and Green Card (permanent resident) holders using the smokescreen of immigration and customs enforcement. No charges, no hearing, no judicial process whatsoever. Ozturk came to the US legally, on a Fulbright scholarship, earned a Master's Degree at Columbia, and is close to finishing her Ph.D at Tufts. She's been in the US for seven years. For co-authoring an op-ed in the student newspaper A YEAR AGO, she's seized on the street, disappeared to a jail in Louisiana, and subsequently moved twice more, such that her lawyers have had difficulty even finding out where she is. If you think this is OK, you're a fan of rank authoritarianism, and no defender of the Bill of Rights.