If any Racket readers have found an article that fairly describes Trump's DOE proposal (sans legacy media scare/shock tactics), post a link here? (While we're waiting for Matt's piece.) Thanks.
If any Racket readers have found an article that fairly describes Trump's DOE proposal (sans legacy media scare/shock tactics), post a link here? (While we're waiting for Matt's piece.) Thanks.
Mostly reduce the Federal role and shift power to the states, assuming they actually eliminate the Department of Ed. In practice many of its functions would transfer to other agencies for example student loans would have still have to be done, FASA and such. Title 9 would have to be interpreted and enforced although the DOJ has a role in that. In practice the Department of Ed plays a lot smaller role in public schools then people think although the FED does play a large role in special education issues . Of course there is some Trumpian contradictions , he wants a civic 1776 curriculum nationwide which would seem to centralize stuff. I'd be surprised of they actually pull it off and the only time the Fed came close to getting rid of the ed department was the early 80's .
A lot of Republicans use to think that, but then No Child Left Behind and such it became a tool to increase standards by central direction, it didn't work.
We have pumped 25 M kids of Foreign Born into the US educational system. Some have never attended school and have no skill sets and can't speak English. A plan for failure because all the education can not up grade Guatemala's 79 IQ.
And since it's on the internet, it must be true. I must have forgotten when they collected IQ scores from everyone I know, even though anyone I know thinks IQ is stupid.
Are IQ scores a good predictor of general intelligence?
Carmen Flores-Mendoza has answered Likely
An expert from University Magna Graecia in Macroeconomics, Economics
Yes, IQ test scores are a good proxy of general intelligence, if intelligence refers to abstract and logical reasoning.
If we understand that IQ is a metric that we use to quantify cognitive performance, we can infer that assessing general intelligence depends more of the quality of cognitive ability/intelligence tests.
Schools record student's IQ scores. I can understand why Democrats don't believe in Intelligence testing.
It's not "intelligence testing" if it's a school's assessment, not an actual test result. And I'm sure you trust all schools and all teachers to record this information correctly, all across the globe. And all the tests are similar, with no differences in language problems or cultural differences.
Did someone tell you once that IQ is all that, and you believed it?
What I can understand is that it may be time for you to go check your own score.
Standardized intelligence testing has been called one of psychology's greatest successes. It is certainly one of the field's most persistent and widely used inventions. Since Alfred Binet first used a standardized test to identify learning-impaired Parisian children in the early 1900s,
It is used everywhere even in Employers administering their own tests. Jul 17, 2024 Some are aptitude tests administered in a group setting, such as the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) and the American College Test (ACT). Others are IQ tests given to individuals. ... Stanford-Binet IQ test.
No Child Left Behind in 2001 was an updated version of Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965. It had been updated multiple times since 1965, but the reason NCLB is villainized is because it tied federal funding to test scores and increased the amount of money to Title 1 schools. Those increases were dependent on many hoops that had to be jumped through. So, you don't need the Dept of Ed to distribute funds to help students. Most teachers would agree that the Dept of Ed is not helpful on the local level.
In most cases it is, curriculums are state with local areas having some latitude. Civil Service protections are all state and local and contracts are usually local as well. It's in areas of special education, Civil Rights and Title IX the Fed takes a big role.
I was sloppy with my language as I meant state and local. But I think the feds exhibit a great deal of additional influence with grants and other funding. As is true of a great many areas of our lives.
The government needs to GET OUT OF THE LENDING BUSINESS. It's actually become the "Give Away Money Business". Bringing back standards for College Acceptance will help the US more than all the subsidy we are giving to the uneducable student.
College dropout rates indicate that 39% of first-time, full-time bachelor's degree seeking students do not complete their degree program within 8 years. Aug 16 2024
Jun 11, 2019 тАФ A team of researchers published a paper documenting a decline in college completion rates between 1970 and 1990. Mother Jones. (Reagan Amnesty - Now)
Bringing Back College Entrance Exams and SATs will save a lot of individuals and the Government a lot of wasted Money. Increase Vocational Education.
everyone forgets a weird hybrid system where private lenders backed by the Fed would run the programs was what we used to have , as a sop to Bernie Sanders ditching socialist health care Obama agreed to nationalize the whole operation and here we are with more debt then every and college prohibitively expensive.
Actually, what we used to have is a college system where students could actually work and pay their way through school without loans. Professors and administrators did not make that much money. It was the pursuit of being in academia that drew people into teaching. Professors taught rather than TAs. College has become a big money system, just like the medical field. Lenders and administrators get rich off the system, but students leave college with a lot of debt, whether or not they have a degree, just as the medical field enriches insurance companies and hospital investors, while the sick get sicker. The systems are set up to suck wealth out of the middle and lower classrs.
As much as I want it to happen, it probs won't but I am on board fully with making the federal government smaller....too many 3 letter agencies that unaccountable.
I guess the first question that comes up for me is: what about primary and secondary education in states or local areas where there is hardly enough funding, e.g. little property taxes or low tax base in general)? Aren't they subsidized federally? (Sorry if this is an obvious answer - just asking the questions.
most k-12 funding is state and local except during covid when the Fed dropped money from helicopters on everyone , that has ceased. The Fed does kick in 5-10 percent for local schools but most is state taxes and local taxes.
Would student loans be possible if the country is bankrupt? As soon as the feds got involved suddenly universities and professors had piles of money. Funny how that works. Get the feds out of loans.
Same thoughts here. I'm not down with mandated prayer. I would be OK with a Moment of Silence for each to do as they will (as their parents guide). I did notice that the written policy proposal says merely to allow kids to pray on their own time (recess, etc), whereas Trump's video (Trump being Trump) stated, "We'll bring prayer back into schools," leading the listener into thinking it will be mandated.
Erin, I just tried to find a Trump statement (since November5) on his plans. All I was able to locate were MSM "what Trump's education proposals mean" crap. I like the idea of Matt talking to real teachers, but I hope he questions teachers on Trump's real plans, not whatever the MSM say are his plans.
If any Racket readers have found an article that fairly describes Trump's DOE proposal (sans legacy media scare/shock tactics), post a link here? (While we're waiting for Matt's piece.) Thanks.
Mostly reduce the Federal role and shift power to the states, assuming they actually eliminate the Department of Ed. In practice many of its functions would transfer to other agencies for example student loans would have still have to be done, FASA and such. Title 9 would have to be interpreted and enforced although the DOJ has a role in that. In practice the Department of Ed plays a lot smaller role in public schools then people think although the FED does play a large role in special education issues . Of course there is some Trumpian contradictions , he wants a civic 1776 curriculum nationwide which would seem to centralize stuff. I'd be surprised of they actually pull it off and the only time the Fed came close to getting rid of the ed department was the early 80's .
The Department of Education was not established until.1979. And to my way of thinking if anything ought to be local it is education.
A lot of Republicans use to think that, but then No Child Left Behind and such it became a tool to increase standards by central direction, it didn't work.
We have pumped 25 M kids of Foreign Born into the US educational system. Some have never attended school and have no skill sets and can't speak English. A plan for failure because all the education can not up grade Guatemala's 79 IQ.
Did you just actually say a nation's IQ is retard level? Really?
Simply google IQ by nation. US IQ took a dive from 100 to 97 and dropping.
And since it's on the internet, it must be true. I must have forgotten when they collected IQ scores from everyone I know, even though anyone I know thinks IQ is stupid.
Are IQ scores a good predictor of general intelligence?
Carmen Flores-Mendoza has answered Likely
An expert from University Magna Graecia in Macroeconomics, Economics
Yes, IQ test scores are a good proxy of general intelligence, if intelligence refers to abstract and logical reasoning.
If we understand that IQ is a metric that we use to quantify cognitive performance, we can infer that assessing general intelligence depends more of the quality of cognitive ability/intelligence tests.
Schools record student's IQ scores. I can understand why Democrats don't believe in Intelligence testing.
It's not "intelligence testing" if it's a school's assessment, not an actual test result. And I'm sure you trust all schools and all teachers to record this information correctly, all across the globe. And all the tests are similar, with no differences in language problems or cultural differences.
Did someone tell you once that IQ is all that, and you believed it?
What I can understand is that it may be time for you to go check your own score.
Standardized intelligence testing has been called one of psychology's greatest successes. It is certainly one of the field's most persistent and widely used inventions. Since Alfred Binet first used a standardized test to identify learning-impaired Parisian children in the early 1900s,
It is used everywhere even in Employers administering their own tests. Jul 17, 2024 Some are aptitude tests administered in a group setting, such as the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) and the American College Test (ACT). Others are IQ tests given to individuals. ... Stanford-Binet IQ test.
The SAT as a gold standard IQ test
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No Child Left Behind in 2001 was an updated version of Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965. It had been updated multiple times since 1965, but the reason NCLB is villainized is because it tied federal funding to test scores and increased the amount of money to Title 1 schools. Those increases were dependent on many hoops that had to be jumped through. So, you don't need the Dept of Ed to distribute funds to help students. Most teachers would agree that the Dept of Ed is not helpful on the local level.
Genuine conservatives still think that way.
In most cases it is, curriculums are state with local areas having some latitude. Civil Service protections are all state and local and contracts are usually local as well. It's in areas of special education, Civil Rights and Title IX the Fed takes a big role.
I was sloppy with my language as I meant state and local. But I think the feds exhibit a great deal of additional influence with grants and other funding. As is true of a great many areas of our lives.
The government needs to GET OUT OF THE LENDING BUSINESS. It's actually become the "Give Away Money Business". Bringing back standards for College Acceptance will help the US more than all the subsidy we are giving to the uneducable student.
College dropout rates indicate that 39% of first-time, full-time bachelor's degree seeking students do not complete their degree program within 8 years. Aug 16 2024
Jun 11, 2019 тАФ A team of researchers published a paper documenting a decline in college completion rates between 1970 and 1990. Mother Jones. (Reagan Amnesty - Now)
Bringing Back College Entrance Exams and SATs will save a lot of individuals and the Government a lot of wasted Money. Increase Vocational Education.
everyone forgets a weird hybrid system where private lenders backed by the Fed would run the programs was what we used to have , as a sop to Bernie Sanders ditching socialist health care Obama agreed to nationalize the whole operation and here we are with more debt then every and college prohibitively expensive.
Actually, what we used to have is a college system where students could actually work and pay their way through school without loans. Professors and administrators did not make that much money. It was the pursuit of being in academia that drew people into teaching. Professors taught rather than TAs. College has become a big money system, just like the medical field. Lenders and administrators get rich off the system, but students leave college with a lot of debt, whether or not they have a degree, just as the medical field enriches insurance companies and hospital investors, while the sick get sicker. The systems are set up to suck wealth out of the middle and lower classrs.
As much as I want it to happen, it probs won't but I am on board fully with making the federal government smaller....too many 3 letter agencies that unaccountable.
450 according to Elon-when interviewed by Tucker in marilago
I guess the first question that comes up for me is: what about primary and secondary education in states or local areas where there is hardly enough funding, e.g. little property taxes or low tax base in general)? Aren't they subsidized federally? (Sorry if this is an obvious answer - just asking the questions.
Right. I donтАЩt have an answer but IтАЩve always thought property taxes were a terrible way to fund education.
I can't speak for every state but where I am we have a formula that certain districts based on financial need would receive a greater amount.
most k-12 funding is state and local except during covid when the Fed dropped money from helicopters on everyone , that has ceased. The Fed does kick in 5-10 percent for local schools but most is state taxes and local taxes.
Would student loans be possible if the country is bankrupt? As soon as the feds got involved suddenly universities and professors had piles of money. Funny how that works. Get the feds out of loans.
Would hearing things straight from the horse's mouth suffice? Trump's website has a 4 minute video of his Education plans.....https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trumps-ten-principles-for-great-schools-leading-to-great-jobs
Thanks, too, Matt. The bring back prayer gives me pause (years of legal wrangling), but otherwise nothing earth-shattering, just common sense.
Same thoughts here. I'm not down with mandated prayer. I would be OK with a Moment of Silence for each to do as they will (as their parents guide). I did notice that the written policy proposal says merely to allow kids to pray on their own time (recess, etc), whereas Trump's video (Trump being Trump) stated, "We'll bring prayer back into schools," leading the listener into thinking it will be mandated.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trumps-ten-principles-for-great-schools-leading-to-great-jobs
I'm old enough to have experienced the moment of silence that replaced the prayer. I'd rather fight for the rest. Thank you for this link.
No reason why prayer can't be on school if non denominational. Ie. Quiet meditation etc. I remember that morning meditation before it was kicked out.
Thanks, Matt.
Erin, I just tried to find a Trump statement (since November5) on his plans. All I was able to locate were MSM "what Trump's education proposals mean" crap. I like the idea of Matt talking to real teachers, but I hope he questions teachers on Trump's real plans, not whatever the MSM say are his plans.
The big tech search engine algorithms hide anything which contradicts the MSM narrative.
I talked about it here - regarding the first go around in 2016:
https://educationforensics.substack.com/p/trump-and-the-federal-dept-of-education