I'm aware there has been quite a variety of popes, and that the origins of precious little in the Abrahamic traditions can unimpeachably be claimed with certainty. And that both of those are understatements.
Anti-Hip, as you are probably aware, the answer to that question would cover a bookcase-worth of volumes. Many of which I have read. But it is not my job to review them all here in a Substack comment.
I suggest that you do the background work yourself. Since you seem to have a burning interest. And then you can report back to me.
I am just looking for something intriguing enough to actually spend some time looking at it. Implying that it's a gigantic, well... mess, just makes me think that it's far less divine as it is human. Maybe even not divine at all.
I'll cut to the wider issue: Even at my relatively late stage in life, I'm still trying to understand how the thinking of a human can even approximate the thinking of (a) God, and I'm coming up way short. Therefore, "authentic pope" just seems like gibberish. But you'd rather not even throw out a bone. I can only think no decent bone exists.
Nothing that I've ever read humans write about God -- which, as far as I can tell, consists of literally everything written about God -- seemed worth the trouble. If you think that's merely joking around, I can appreciate and respect that reaction. But underneath my frustrated jousting, I can only say that I'm quite serious. Even if you still think I'm insufficiently disciplined.
Perhaps the concept of God goes beyond mere words.
However, we are his creations, and if mere words are all that he gave us as tools, then he knows we can use only what we have. So God is not quibbling here.
I can see godliness in all of Judeo-Christianity. Not just Catholicism. I am not burdened with perfect Catholic scrupulosity. Though it is Catholicism that triggered this discussion.
You might begin with the Gospels themselves. Then move on to the interviews with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan├▓ (excommunicated by Pope Francis).
Look into the deeper history of the Jesuit Order. Pope Francis was a Jesuit, and the Troodos of Canada called themselves "Jesuit Catholics". That should give you a hint.
Then I would try to understand why Neuroscience researcher Stephen Porges (Polyvagal Theory) believes that it was Christianity which helped to grow the region of the human brain which is capable of empathy.
In terms of neuroscience/evolution, you may wish to know what Julian Jaynes believed. He was the author of the 1970s book on the Bicameral Mind.
And then there is a very good Substack by Anthropologist Francisco Gil-White discussing Sargon of Akkad and the empathy-matter. How this shaped Judeo-Christianity.
You might also like to read William Miller's book on Quantum Change, in everyday lives.
The real ones come with a certificate of authenticity. And a 90 day satisfaction or your money back guarantee. That was before the globalists took over. Since then, quality has declined, and they are sourced from all over the world.
Add 8 + 8, and you get the Karmic Debt number 16, the Fallen Tower, also called Phoenix rising. Adding 1 + 6 produces the most spiritual single digit number - the 7.
The 16 Karmic Debt number has produced more people of wisdom and sainthood than any other number. This is a particularly unique Power number. The 8 is the visionary, the 16 the Karmic seeker and searcher (often as a result of loss and loneliness), and the 7, the number of spiritual growth.
A 7 based on 88 is a number of great potential, but mainly in the spiritual realm. A 7 based on 88 that directs its attention toward worldly gain is a recipe for disaster."
Yes, I noticed that 88 number coincidence too.
Not that I ever believed Francis was the authentic Pope.
We need to bring back the days of the Pope and Anti-pope.
In the authentic Catholic Church and the Deep State Church.
Authentic Pope is only sold on a rope.
TheyтАЩre back already. One (Francis) just died, the other (Klaus) just retired.
What is an "authentic Pope"?
I, also, am dying to know
The one who lives in Avignon.
Do you know your Catholicism? Very well?
I'm aware there has been quite a variety of popes, and that the origins of precious little in the Abrahamic traditions can unimpeachably be claimed with certainty. And that both of those are understatements.
So you advocate just tossing it all out the window then?
Life is not like that.
Defenestration.
I didn't say that. Is it really that hard to answer the question? If so, how do we know what you mean? Or are you just fishing for winks?
Anti-Hip, as you are probably aware, the answer to that question would cover a bookcase-worth of volumes. Many of which I have read. But it is not my job to review them all here in a Substack comment.
I suggest that you do the background work yourself. Since you seem to have a burning interest. And then you can report back to me.
How's that?
I am just looking for something intriguing enough to actually spend some time looking at it. Implying that it's a gigantic, well... mess, just makes me think that it's far less divine as it is human. Maybe even not divine at all.
I think you are trying to whip me into a frenzy with that taunt.
I am not biting.
You are still going to have to do the work yourself ЁЯШБ.
No time like the present.....
I'll cut to the wider issue: Even at my relatively late stage in life, I'm still trying to understand how the thinking of a human can even approximate the thinking of (a) God, and I'm coming up way short. Therefore, "authentic pope" just seems like gibberish. But you'd rather not even throw out a bone. I can only think no decent bone exists.
Nothing that I've ever read humans write about God -- which, as far as I can tell, consists of literally everything written about God -- seemed worth the trouble. If you think that's merely joking around, I can appreciate and respect that reaction. But underneath my frustrated jousting, I can only say that I'm quite serious. Even if you still think I'm insufficiently disciplined.
Perhaps the concept of God goes beyond mere words.
However, we are his creations, and if mere words are all that he gave us as tools, then he knows we can use only what we have. So God is not quibbling here.
I can see godliness in all of Judeo-Christianity. Not just Catholicism. I am not burdened with perfect Catholic scrupulosity. Though it is Catholicism that triggered this discussion.
You might begin with the Gospels themselves. Then move on to the interviews with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigan├▓ (excommunicated by Pope Francis).
Look into the deeper history of the Jesuit Order. Pope Francis was a Jesuit, and the Troodos of Canada called themselves "Jesuit Catholics". That should give you a hint.
Then I would try to understand why Neuroscience researcher Stephen Porges (Polyvagal Theory) believes that it was Christianity which helped to grow the region of the human brain which is capable of empathy.
In terms of neuroscience/evolution, you may wish to know what Julian Jaynes believed. He was the author of the 1970s book on the Bicameral Mind.
And then there is a very good Substack by Anthropologist Francisco Gil-White discussing Sargon of Akkad and the empathy-matter. How this shaped Judeo-Christianity.
You might also like to read William Miller's book on Quantum Change, in everyday lives.
If he did would he be asking?
Nope.
Nobody knows anything. Though important, that's too long a story.
I'll tell you what I know:
The real ones come with a certificate of authenticity. And a 90 day satisfaction or your money back guarantee. That was before the globalists took over. Since then, quality has declined, and they are sourced from all over the world.
https://www.worldnumerology.com/blog/numerology-power-numbers.html
"88
Add 8 + 8, and you get the Karmic Debt number 16, the Fallen Tower, also called Phoenix rising. Adding 1 + 6 produces the most spiritual single digit number - the 7.
The 16 Karmic Debt number has produced more people of wisdom and sainthood than any other number. This is a particularly unique Power number. The 8 is the visionary, the 16 the Karmic seeker and searcher (often as a result of loss and loneliness), and the 7, the number of spiritual growth.
A 7 based on 88 is a number of great potential, but mainly in the spiritual realm. A 7 based on 88 that directs its attention toward worldly gain is a recipe for disaster."
the Fallen Tower
https://www.tarot.com/tarot/cards/the-tower/medieval-scapini
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I was referencing the popular tattoo тАЬ88тАЭ. As in the eighth letter of the alphabet. тАЬHHтАЭ. Again, my least favorite number.
One is the loneliest number . . .