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Sean H.'s avatar

There is so much wrong with these positions That ZI wonder if you've read the full series by Matt. Or read anything but MSM blather in the last 20 years. A few points-Russia-gate appears more of an IC action, not some vast bureaucracy-wide conspiracy to which you appear to allude. Certainly there is no proof of such a "deep state", unless you limit the appellation soley to the IC. Except that it is not the full Intelligence Community, but appears to be just a few perhaps Democrat inclined knobs like Brennan and Clapper. That some Progressive might assuage his grief with the notion that they were correct in hating Trump really does nothing to blunt Taibbi's point. 2- The Iraq frigging war was about Democracy Now? I'll not respond. My head will explode.

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Sam's avatar

Sean, the last thing I want to do is argue, especially on the last night of the year/ decade. So, let's stick to the facts without resorting to "conspiracy theories" and such. I assume you know as much as me, but, perhaps you give the Democrats the benefit of the doubt that is not given to President Trump.

Anyway, the facts of the issue cannot be refuted. And, based on information available in the public sphere, the most likely conclusion a thoughtful person can arrive at is there was/ is a concerted effort, at the highest level of the FBI, CIA, DNI, State Department, various leftist journalists/ news organizations, the vast bureaucracy, and the Obama White House, to prevent Donald Trump from winning the November 2016. When that smear didn't work and Donald Trump became President Elect Trump, and then President Trump, the scheming cabal went into high gear

We learned the cabal was/ is bipartisan when it was discovered that the late and former Senator from Arizona, John McCain (R-AZ) played a role in the scandal by delivering the fake dossier to the FBI/ DOJ in December 2016.

You ignore evidence that doesn't support your narrative. The stories in the dossier were known to be crap as soon as January 2017 when the FBI interviewed Steele's primary source, who debunked what Steele included in his opposition research (dossier) report.

Remember it was the Hillary for President campaign and the DNC that paid Steele, a former intelligence agent from a "friendly" foreign government, for opposition research. Without alerting the FISA court that the data used in the FISA application came from a sketchy source, who who hated Trump, and, was being paid to dig up dirt by Trump's political opponents.

We have thousands of text messages between Peter Strozk and Lisa Page who were high-ranking members of the FBI and DOJ, respectively, both vehemently anti-Trump, and provided an outline of the scheme during their tenure. Peter Strozk played a primary role in the fake Clinton email investigation, you know the one, where James Comey wrote the exoneration letter months before Hillary Clinton and her primary aides were even interviewed: Clinton was never put under oath, the so-called interview wasn't electronically recorded, nor were notes made available. Plus, her aides received highly unusual immunity deals from the DOJ.

Within minutes of President Trump's (first inauguration) in January 2017, that was boycotted by several members of the House of Representatives, count-downs to impeachment were announced by partisan members of the press and members of the Democratic Party.

Sean, those aren't my positions, they are facts based on what's available in the public sphere. It doesn't matter that you reject the existence of the "deep state," that's just a label used to describe the cabal behind the events we're discussing now. The fact the story continues to attract vast amounts of attention by the public, the media and forms the foundation for the Democratic led House of Representatives, this entire episode is best described as the biggest political conspiracy American history.

The end of the decade is near - Let's Resolve to Put Truth Before Lies, Country Before Party, and Facts Before Narrative. Have a Happy New Year!

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Sean H.'s avatar

Sam- I don't disagree with much of what you say, but it is necessary to distinguish between facts, inferences, suppositions and flat out crazy talk. What is lacking in your analysis is a smoking gun. While I tend to agree with your conclusions, I think Matt is held to a higher standard as a journalist. No smoking gun requires he make no claims that can't be substantiated.

He raises a further interesting point when he notes the lunacy surrounding the actions of the accusers. If this is a DEEP STATE conspiracy, then rest assured it will come to light because these clowns are dopes. I suspect Matt is onto something when he infers that there were some bad actors and then a larger group of incompetent wannabees who gleefully jumped at the chance to beat up on Trump who's capacity as a politician they woefully misjudged.

Truly we're arguing over the placement of tableware. Whether it's a broad DEEP STATE attempt at a coup or a more finely directed, less complicated Intelligence Community effort, the result is a damning indictment of this so-called Democratic state we live in.

Happy New Year my friend.

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Sam's avatar

Sean - I didn't look at that way at all and it makes perfect sense. Thank you for the response - I hope the New Year brings you peace, prosperity, and good health my friend.

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Lawguy's avatar

The FBI conspiracy to keep Trump from the presidency. Did that include announcing to all the major news media about 2 weeks before the election that Clinton was under further investigation?

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Sam's avatar

Hillary Clinton used a clandestine email server to conduct official State Department business, which often requires transmitting, receiving, and forwarding of classified information.

The law requires members of the President's cabinet to save and secure communications and other records to satisfy FOIA requests and for future historians. All of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails were under subpoena.

The presence of the server wasn't known for several years when FOIA requests pertaining to the 9/11/2012 attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya that killed four Americans including an ambassador were finally answered by the State Department.

Furthermore, rather than turning over the entire contents of her illegal server to the State Department Hillary Clinton deleted over 33,000 subpoenaed emails and then destroyed the servers and other devices used by her and members of her staff.

James Comey, the disgraced former FBI Director exonerated Hillary Clinton months before she was even interviewed by the FBI. The interview wasn't recorded, Hillary Clinton wasn't put under oath, and her staff received immunity from prosecution - James Comey let Hillary Clinton off the hook because he, and everyone else, thought Hillary would win. Boy, were they wrong.

James Comey HAD to reopen the investigation because thousands of State Department emails were found on the laptop of a convicted pedophile who happened to be married to one of Clinton's most trusted aids.

Hillary Clinton is lucky she's not in prison.

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Lawguy's avatar

But the FI regs said he wasn't to file a press release about it 2 weeks before the election and by the way nothing you claim here turned out to be true.

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The Dandy Highwayman's avatar

Dipshit... all of what Sam just said was true. Worst of all the pedophile Weiner. I suppose you just are unwilling to see that your saviors are drunk on power and completely insane.

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