Feldspar - I am calling BS on the right wingers on this site that seem to think the Dems are the only party influencing the media to lie to views. The facts are irrefutable (read Noam Chomsky) the NYT, WSJ, CNN, FOX etc... all push propaganda to keep the state happy.
Feldspar - I am calling BS on the right wingers on this site that seem to think the Dems are the only party influencing the media to lie to views. The facts are irrefutable (read Noam Chomsky) the NYT, WSJ, CNN, FOX etc... all push propaganda to keep the state happy.
Agreed. Also, left vs right doesn’t really convey all the different factions. I have had unpleasant encounters with people here who wrongly assumed what my positions were on various topics because I identified as a lefty. But I am not far left on everything. More importantly, the far left and the centrist Democratic liberals strongly disagree on some issues. On foreign policy antiwar leftists have more in common with the anti- interventionist right than with the majority of Democrats, while they may disagree on other issues.
Poor Noam Chomsky got on the wrong side of Covid vaccines, opining the unvaccinated should be excommunicated from society. He is losing his marbles and kissing the corporate ring these days.
Lisa - Chomsky has been right about Vietnam, Nicaragua, WMD's and now Ukraine because of his research on state propaganda published in his book Manufacturing Consent. In that book he proves that MSM like the NYT and WSJ manufactured propaganda. Fox and CNN, today fall into that catagory with their reporting on WMD's, the Financial Crises, Russia Gate and "stop the steal" and now Ukraine. And on top of all of that his research is at the root of Chat GPT, which he has proven is way over hyped.
His views on Covid are quite different than what right wing media clearly told you he was thinking. No different than people that watched MSNBC were fed views on Russia Gate that were laughably wrong. Chomsky has never and never will be kissing the ring of corporations. His work makes him their enemy...
Used to be the case and he has done important work in the past but when you examine his statements during the pandemic, not so much. Get the shot or go live in the wilderness basically. A Pfizer exec recently testified before the EU that the shots were not even tested to see if they prevented transmission before the rollout. Yet thousands were fired and denied entry to college or restaurants. Sorry but anyone who supports these type of policies is on the side of corporations.
Lisa - You are giving a summary of Chomsky that is edited clips from anti vax sources trying to fit into some narrative. I get it. You are an anti vaxer. Chomsky is not.
All of us that got vaccinated are not 'controlled" by corporations. Chomsky would nationalize pharmsutical companies. That is not what someone who is controlled by pharmaceuticals says or thinks.
"Chomsky: Big Pharma Cares More About Profiting From COVID Than Human Survival"
Noam Chomsky emphasizes the urgency of ending the tyranny of Big Pharma and making COVID-19 vaccines available to all."
How exactly do you end the tyranny of big Pharma by supporting forcing a liability free vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission made by a company previously convicted of felonies upon citizens? The new Pharma Jim Crow laws are a disgrace. Anyone who supported them should be ashamed. Giving away free vaccines that don’t work and tacitly supporting hiding the massive number of reported serious injuries and fatalities doesn’t work for me either.
Lisa - Whether or not vaccines work as promised is a subject I don't claim to know well enough to judge one way or the other. What I do know enough to make sound judgement on is Chomsky's track record for not letting corporations or main stream media form his opinions. And on that his track record is that he has been right not wrong on virtually everything. And when he was right, the media and so called "experts" have called him every name in the book, as you are doing. History has proven him right.
I am pretty sure that if you want know what vaccines that don't work would do to an economy you need only look at China. Their vaccines did not work.
Chomsky obviously did let main stream media and corporations form his opinion on Covid vaccines. That is indisputable based on his comments. The vaccines do not prevent transmission. This fact is well established although people as foolish as Rachel Maddow and other shills told the public otherwise. Chomsky said non vaxxed should be essentially excommunicated from society, and he didn’t care how they got food (nice guy!). If he had bothered to find out the information from uncompromised (non-corporate) sources, he would not have made ignorant comments. Obviously you admire him for his past work. No one is perfect.
Feldspar - I am calling BS on the right wingers on this site that seem to think the Dems are the only party influencing the media to lie to views. The facts are irrefutable (read Noam Chomsky) the NYT, WSJ, CNN, FOX etc... all push propaganda to keep the state happy.
Both sides are equally guilty.
Agreed. Also, left vs right doesn’t really convey all the different factions. I have had unpleasant encounters with people here who wrongly assumed what my positions were on various topics because I identified as a lefty. But I am not far left on everything. More importantly, the far left and the centrist Democratic liberals strongly disagree on some issues. On foreign policy antiwar leftists have more in common with the anti- interventionist right than with the majority of Democrats, while they may disagree on other issues.
Poor Noam Chomsky got on the wrong side of Covid vaccines, opining the unvaccinated should be excommunicated from society. He is losing his marbles and kissing the corporate ring these days.
Lisa - Chomsky has been right about Vietnam, Nicaragua, WMD's and now Ukraine because of his research on state propaganda published in his book Manufacturing Consent. In that book he proves that MSM like the NYT and WSJ manufactured propaganda. Fox and CNN, today fall into that catagory with their reporting on WMD's, the Financial Crises, Russia Gate and "stop the steal" and now Ukraine. And on top of all of that his research is at the root of Chat GPT, which he has proven is way over hyped.
His views on Covid are quite different than what right wing media clearly told you he was thinking. No different than people that watched MSNBC were fed views on Russia Gate that were laughably wrong. Chomsky has never and never will be kissing the ring of corporations. His work makes him their enemy...
Used to be the case and he has done important work in the past but when you examine his statements during the pandemic, not so much. Get the shot or go live in the wilderness basically. A Pfizer exec recently testified before the EU that the shots were not even tested to see if they prevented transmission before the rollout. Yet thousands were fired and denied entry to college or restaurants. Sorry but anyone who supports these type of policies is on the side of corporations.
Lisa - You are giving a summary of Chomsky that is edited clips from anti vax sources trying to fit into some narrative. I get it. You are an anti vaxer. Chomsky is not.
All of us that got vaccinated are not 'controlled" by corporations. Chomsky would nationalize pharmsutical companies. That is not what someone who is controlled by pharmaceuticals says or thinks.
"Chomsky: Big Pharma Cares More About Profiting From COVID Than Human Survival"
Noam Chomsky emphasizes the urgency of ending the tyranny of Big Pharma and making COVID-19 vaccines available to all."
https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-big-pharma-cares-more-about-profiting-from-covid-than-human-survival/
How exactly do you end the tyranny of big Pharma by supporting forcing a liability free vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission made by a company previously convicted of felonies upon citizens? The new Pharma Jim Crow laws are a disgrace. Anyone who supported them should be ashamed. Giving away free vaccines that don’t work and tacitly supporting hiding the massive number of reported serious injuries and fatalities doesn’t work for me either.
Lisa - Whether or not vaccines work as promised is a subject I don't claim to know well enough to judge one way or the other. What I do know enough to make sound judgement on is Chomsky's track record for not letting corporations or main stream media form his opinions. And on that his track record is that he has been right not wrong on virtually everything. And when he was right, the media and so called "experts" have called him every name in the book, as you are doing. History has proven him right.
I am pretty sure that if you want know what vaccines that don't work would do to an economy you need only look at China. Their vaccines did not work.
Chomsky obviously did let main stream media and corporations form his opinion on Covid vaccines. That is indisputable based on his comments. The vaccines do not prevent transmission. This fact is well established although people as foolish as Rachel Maddow and other shills told the public otherwise. Chomsky said non vaxxed should be essentially excommunicated from society, and he didn’t care how they got food (nice guy!). If he had bothered to find out the information from uncompromised (non-corporate) sources, he would not have made ignorant comments. Obviously you admire him for his past work. No one is perfect.
" am calling BS on the right wingers on this site that seem to think the Dems are the only party influencing the media to lie to views."
Citation needed.
Burt - Does Fox News push lies that Right Wing law makers like Trump, Ted Cruz and Bush2 want them to push? Yes or NO?
Case closed
well said! agree completely! Manufacturing consent!
I wasn't responding to your comment.