If you don’t wear a mask, you have Covid-19, and you go to a family gathering and kill a few of your relatives, I would say let the family mete out justice. If you kill a complete stranger through recklessness disregard, how is that different from killing someone while driving drunk?
If you don’t wear a mask, you have Covid-19, and you go to a family gathering and kill a few of your relatives, I would say let the family mete out justice. If you kill a complete stranger through recklessness disregard, how is that different from killing someone while driving drunk?
It’s different in a lot of ways but if you want to treat “breathing near people” as equally punishable by law then that’s your thing I guess.
If you have Covid-19 and somebody gets it from you and dies, you didn’t kill them — Covid-19 killed them (which seems to be debatable based on comorbidities and all the other data swirling around). Are you hoping to expand this idea of justice beyond Covid to the common cold and the seasonal flu too?
I can think of a lot of injury lawyers who would love to add this to the list of things they can sue for, plus a lot of great new surveillance tools that can ensure these new laws against public breath exposure can be properly enforced. How far do you want to take this?
So, you are sick, you know you are sick, there's a pandemic, and you don't excuse yourself from a family gathering or from a public place that's crowded. It's just a cold or bronchitis. You didn't kill that elderly person who is at much greater risk by giving them the agent that killed them, that you produced?
Every old person I know understands a) they're gonna die and b) they still have agency, they can still decide to ensure their safety by NOT meeting with their families, and NOT going out in public.
MOST of the old people I know would very much like this to be their own choice, not yours.
«If you have Covid-19 and somebody gets it from you and dies, you didn’t kill them»
Deliberately infecting someone with a disease is considered at least assault and is a crime in most countries, as a disease is as to damage equivalent to a poison. Infecting people negligently or recklessly with minor diseases is rarely prosecuted of course...
Probably because of the way the lockdowns have been instituted. Restaurants were open for inside dining for maybe a couple of months, if that, and outdoor dining was severely regulated. What might be a result of that? People invite their friends over for dinner instead of going out maybe?? Small businesses that sold some of the same things Costco or Target sell have been shut down. What happens? More crowds over at the Target and the Costco where they do nothing to limit the numbers of people coming in. Maybe having the largest percentage of homeless in the country and letting thousands of criminals onto the street that had Covid contributed?? Maybe treating everyone like little kids that couldn't possibly know what's best for them backfired to the point that many Californians just ignored the lunacy coming from their leaders?? In the end, it's probably just really poor state and local leadership in California. Maybe that's why so many people are leaving California as well......
theory: California is a nanny state where Gov Newsome is perceived to be responsible for your wellbeing. Not being your responsibility to protect yourself, you assume if the Whole Foods is open for business, it must be safe to shop there.
Florida is a "protect yourself as appropriate" state where Gov DeSantis is assumed to not give a shit what happens to you so you protect yourself. haha
If you don’t wear a mask, you have Covid-19, and you go to a family gathering and kill a few of your relatives, I would say let the family mete out justice. If you kill a complete stranger through recklessness disregard, how is that different from killing someone while driving drunk?
It’s different in a lot of ways but if you want to treat “breathing near people” as equally punishable by law then that’s your thing I guess.
If you have Covid-19 and somebody gets it from you and dies, you didn’t kill them — Covid-19 killed them (which seems to be debatable based on comorbidities and all the other data swirling around). Are you hoping to expand this idea of justice beyond Covid to the common cold and the seasonal flu too?
I can think of a lot of injury lawyers who would love to add this to the list of things they can sue for, plus a lot of great new surveillance tools that can ensure these new laws against public breath exposure can be properly enforced. How far do you want to take this?
So, you are sick, you know you are sick, there's a pandemic, and you don't excuse yourself from a family gathering or from a public place that's crowded. It's just a cold or bronchitis. You didn't kill that elderly person who is at much greater risk by giving them the agent that killed them, that you produced?
Every old person I know understands a) they're gonna die and b) they still have agency, they can still decide to ensure their safety by NOT meeting with their families, and NOT going out in public.
MOST of the old people I know would very much like this to be their own choice, not yours.
«If you have Covid-19 and somebody gets it from you and dies, you didn’t kill them»
Deliberately infecting someone with a disease is considered at least assault and is a crime in most countries, as a disease is as to damage equivalent to a poison. Infecting people negligently or recklessly with minor diseases is rarely prosecuted of course...
are you committing a home invasion to deliberately infect the weak or are you running into the Circle K and forgot to mask up?
The Circle K or whatever it was called down the road from me just got robbed by someone wearing a Covid mask ( not a bandana).
did they breathe menacingly at the camera?
No, he had a gun!
Probably because of the way the lockdowns have been instituted. Restaurants were open for inside dining for maybe a couple of months, if that, and outdoor dining was severely regulated. What might be a result of that? People invite their friends over for dinner instead of going out maybe?? Small businesses that sold some of the same things Costco or Target sell have been shut down. What happens? More crowds over at the Target and the Costco where they do nothing to limit the numbers of people coming in. Maybe having the largest percentage of homeless in the country and letting thousands of criminals onto the street that had Covid contributed?? Maybe treating everyone like little kids that couldn't possibly know what's best for them backfired to the point that many Californians just ignored the lunacy coming from their leaders?? In the end, it's probably just really poor state and local leadership in California. Maybe that's why so many people are leaving California as well......
theory: California is a nanny state where Gov Newsome is perceived to be responsible for your wellbeing. Not being your responsibility to protect yourself, you assume if the Whole Foods is open for business, it must be safe to shop there.
Florida is a "protect yourself as appropriate" state where Gov DeSantis is assumed to not give a shit what happens to you so you protect yourself. haha
Apparently you do not know that dying from COVID and dying with COVID are two very different things.