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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Right, that was just a rhetorical question. Forgive me. Question: What body of evidence would satisfy you? Still interested? Idea: Get off of both your ass and substack and gather the evidence yourself. It's out there.

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Skeptic's avatar

If there's so much white supremacy out there, why does your side have to fake incidents of it so often? Why did the media present Jacob Blake as a victim of white supremacy, and why did Biden, Harris, and the media immediately seize on the transparently ludicrous story of Jussie? Because the demand for white supremacy exceeds the supply.

It's a nation of 330 million, so you can find instances of just about anything, including violent white supremacists, violent black supremacists, and all kinds of other nasty stuff.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Don't be daft. I'm a lone wolf---I don't do "sides." Curious: What "side" would you have me on anyway? Get back to me on that one, please. Always a cause for concern when a relative stranger takes a pass at pigeonholing me.

Your examples---the media, Blake, fake incidents, diversions, blah, blah, blah. And who gives a fuck about Biden and Harris? Why'd you bring them up? Old friends of yours gone sour? What do those two have to do with anything that's remotely edifying? Or that might shed some light on some questions that we might like answered on a few salient issues? None. Last person to infer that I was a democrat got punched in the face, by the way. Not that you have anything to worry about---I don't punch down. It's bad form.

Everybody around here bitches and moans about the bad old MSM, yet y'all can't get your sneering, sniveling faces out of the stuff long enough, or off your asses, to gather some decent information and intelligence---field research, reporting, reliable data that might explain some things to you, that is if you're not already too far gone down the Newsmax bunny hole, or whatever propaganda trough you floaters feed from. Boo! Hey skeptic---there's a democrat under your bed!

Still with me? And the problem isn't "white supremacy." The problem, the issue, the people we're talking about here, extends deeper and encompasses much more than a few phalanxes of neo-nazis. That's clickbait hyperbole that substack merchants like Taibbi trot out from time to time to moisten up the crowd's salivary glands.

Not that there aren't a good many white supremacists roaming the nation's back alleys and byways, and not that they aren't a growing menace threatening the peace and tranquility of this greatest of all nations, but they actually represent a smaller subset within the cohort of 20-30 million Americans---that's "Americans"---who harbor strange and bogus notions about election outcomes, voting laws, who's a fascist and who's not a fascist, etc.

A representative cross-section of these confused and troubled citizens could be found generally loitering inside and out of the nation's capitol way back on Jan. 6 of this year. Seems long in the distant past, doesn't it? Why not read the links?

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Matt330's avatar

I already read that Atlantic article and it was hilarious. Red meat for the pearl clutching suburban wine moms and Don Lemon watchers. Quite a bit of hyperbole, but little substance. Anyone remember the original narrative? First Officer Sicknick had his skull caved in with a fire extinguisher then it turns out he died of a regular stroke and there was no fucking bear spray. The FBI was caught by surprise, oh wait, no it turns out they had people there the whole time and even the New York Times had to admit it. They were heavily armed with "assault weapons", no wait, the weapon stories were bullshit. etc. etc. It is even more funny when you remember "hanging chads, "what happened in Ohio?," "Russian hacking," "faithless electors," "not my president," and all the bullshit stories about how the United States was supposedly controlled by a cabal of all powerful fascists lead by Trump. Then you link me an article from a security state think tank of all places? Really Martha? These guys are the enemies of civil liberties everywhere and they will make up excuses to go after the left whenever politically convenient. I will personally take what Glenn Greenwald has to say over you.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

So educate me. WhatтАЩs your plan when тАЬtheyтАЭ come for you? You must be in some state of preparation, no? Anything in place? Or youтАЩre too busy playing cowboys and Indians on social media?

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

Probably the same I have for you: mockery.

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Matt330's avatar

Nice bait. Too bad it's not working.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

You need to refocus. YouтАЩre looking at the shadows and missing the meaning of the penumbra. YouтАЩre not alone.

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Adam's avatar

"Last person to infer that I was a democrat got punched in the face, by the way."

You do realize what a fucking crazy person this makes you look like, right?

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MH's avatar

Lol, right?? Martha's long rant was especially crazy but hey don't dare "pigeon hole" her

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Gadabout's avatar

Martha is a dude, I think.

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Patrick's avatar

Among other things.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

Democrat confirmed.

Now, the question of which cheek to present...

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Nonothing's avatar

Nailed it.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

While weтАЩre speculating on oneтАЩs party identificationтАжHow long you been тАЬposingтАЭ as an anarchist anyway? Or should that read: posing as an тАЬanarchist?тАЭ DonтАЩt sweat it---we all go through that stage. You meet a hot, self-identifying anarchist whip-smart chick who turns you on to Kropotkin, and next thing you know youтАЩre playing тАЬSashaтАЭ Berkman to her Emma Goldman.

Then she gets religion (mammon) and in short order dumps you for a guy whoтАЩs getting his MBA up at Tuck in Hanover, but you decide to stick it out regardless because the lifestyle suits you and the thin menu of anarchist texts have already been mastered.

I went through that stage. It ends unceremoniously, I can attest to that. Usually the end arrives shortly after rereading Proudhon for the fourth or fifth time, who then begins to sound a lot like Ralph Waldo Emerson. And nobody wants any part of THAT.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

I've always been fiercely egalitarian in my outlook. Chomsky got me started down the anarchist path. The lady in question was Voltaririne de Cleyre. She died about a century ago, though.

Wrote this:

"Good-natured satirists often remark that "the best way to cure an Anarchist is to give him a fortune." Substituting "corrupt" for "cure," I would subscribe to this; and believing myself to be no better than the rest of men, I earnestly hope that as so far it has been my lot to work, and work hard, and for no fortune, so I may continue to the end; for let me keep the intensity of my soul, with all the limitations of my material conditions, rather than become the spineless and ideal-less creation of material needs. My reward is that I live with the young; I keep step with my comrades; I shall die in the harness with my face to the east - the East and the Light."

Pretty great stuff, don't you think?

In any case, happy to say I've never posed as anything, much less an anarchist.

Want to spin again?

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bahhummingbug IV substack's avatar

>"Chomsky got me started down the anarchist path."

You went to the wrong shop if you're looking for anarchy, bro.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

Good thing I wasnтАЩt looking.

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bahhummingbug IV substack's avatar

Good thing .. . Chomsky ain't selling any.

So, what led you down the "anarchist path" .. . if you don't mind me asking?

*if it's some good&evil, entropy decay Nietzsche' mumbo jumbo save your breath .. . i'd rather blow my brains out.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Ostensibly I'm here auditioning for the SVR, but I'm only here auditioning for the SVR because I somehow got mixed up with that Dugin fellow. A real nut. A friend of mine who's an artisan cheesemonger in Abramtsevo introduced us. Said we had "Atlantis" in common. So naturally I assumed he was referring to Charles Portis' 1985 comic masterpiece "Masters of Atlantis," and that Dugin, like myself, was a big Portis fan. Wrong. Turns out Dugin, besides being Putin's favorite Kremlin court jester, is nothing but an old bolshevik fabulist, which is nothing more than a flake with intellectual aspirations.

Dugin's "Atlantis" is an ancient civilization that existed 10,000 years ago. He pairs it up with another one: "Hyperborea." Then he updates the two. Atlantis is the U.S., all western and rational and shit. Hyperborea is Russia, with the Hyperboreans imbued with more than a patina of occult new age spiritual bullshit, who will oversee the transformation of the world, yada, yada, yada.

The American equivalent would be sorta like if Alex Jones did a poly-sci PhD at Johns Hopkins and then got heavy into the Jehovah's Witnesses immediately afterward.

Dugin's also a white nationalist who is also "anti-white." You get the idea. A flake. And I'm still not getting paid.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

Brush up on your Watterson.

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Adam's avatar

Sick burn

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Fred Ickenham's avatar

Love your acerbic descriptions! While differing with some of your views here and there.

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Gadabout's avatar

We might have to collectively start asking you to get to the point, to stay focused so you can contribute to the conversation here. IтАЩve read this twice and I think you are actually agreeing with Skeptic that there arenтАЩt actually alot of white supremacists in the US and that the insurrectionists are more to be mocked than feared. Why not just say that? I am curious what you gain by this, as an aside

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Patrick's avatar

Evidence, or conclusory platitudinous party-line poop? GellmanтАЩs last story was hateful and incendiary. What happened to rational exchange of ideas or fair debate?

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Enlighten me re: Gellman's last article.

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