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Sea Sentry's avatar

I know of no politician with "unshakeable principles and values", not one. To me, independent means a willingness to stand for what one believes and not be prisoner to a particular ideology, culture or political party. My definition does indeed apply to those three individuals, however right or wrong history may judge them to be.

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Francesca Testi's avatar

Okay. I think "unshakeable principles and values" and "a willingness to stand for what one believes and not be a prisoner to a particular ideology, culture, or political party" are the same thing, provided that what one believes is rooted in consistent rational thought and not just the result of narcissistic grandstanding. Now, explain to me how Sinema and Kennedy exemplify the former and not the latter. (Gabbard, I confess, puzzles me. The few times I saw her in the past, she struck me as straightforward. I tend to think the shit that the Dems threw at her (Hillary in particular), knocked her off course, but that doesn't excuse the cringe-inducing groveling she's engaging in at those cabinet meetings. I have to think she goes home and takes loooong showers.

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Yeah, Gabbard has done quite a 180. But imagine fighting for your country, then serving in Congress and for no reason other than opposing Hillary (which the American people also did in an election), sheтАЩs put on a terror watch list! I donтАЩt know, maybe that tweaked her perspective a bit.

To me Synnema is just a moderate with principles, a Blue Dog Democrat. I donтАЩt always agree with her, but IтАЩve always thought she has integrity.

Kennedy and the Kennedys are more complicated. Read Maureen CallaghanтАЩs recent book тАЬAsk NotтАЭ about how the Kennedys treat women, and it makes you sick. He has a point about our terrible diet, but his vaccine theories seem pretty ungrounded to me. Like most lawyers, they are better at arguing than understanding science, finance, energy, etc.

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Francesca Testi's avatar

I agree. The way Gabbard was hounded by the Dems was disgraceful, and she was rightfully angry, but now she's supporting people who are doing the same thing to other dissenters. I hoping she'll snap out if it. I thought she had a lot to offer.

Sinema, I don't see her that way, but maybe you're right.

On Kennedy, I'm with you all the way. It's a shame that all the things he's saying about the American diet and the harmful food additives we allow are being ignored because he's the one saying them.

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