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Anon38901932047's avatar

Yes, I do think they were too laid back. It would have been cool if they'd had an Al Pacino style "I'd take a flame thrower to this place" speech ready to go, but DWS probably would have wheeled out the until-now-secret Congressional guillotine on the spot.

More seriously, IMHO, Matt should have told DWS that when he took on the Twitter Files, he actually expected he would lose both money and social media followers because millions of people like DWS would be really angry with him.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Put me down for flame thrower. DWS started her blather with a reference to ethics. Personally I would have asked how a person who resigned from the DNC for corrupting democracy could have the gall.

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michael888's avatar

Tim Canova has lots of nice things to say about Debbie and Brenda Snipes, who illegally destroyed the paper ballots in the 2016 primary.

As Hillary has said "No evidence, no crime."

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Fran's avatar

Perfect imagery, she is the creature from hell. I'm sending several hundred dollars to Bernie's campaign just thinking maybe no more war, and she's two timing him looking for a Clinton win, the devil herself. Now Bernie with his sweetheart welcome for Clinton wouldn't get a dime from me.

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michael888's avatar

Hillary branded Bernie as a Putin Puppet (along with Trump, Jill Stein, Tulsi and likely many others).

At least when Rachel Maddow did the same-- "literally"-- to OAN they took her to court (of course the judge ruled that Maddow-- who probably makes more money than Taibbi- is an "entertainer" not a news-person, and thus there was no defamation, she was just exercising her Free Speech. OAN was ordered to pay Maddow's >$200,000 legal fees).

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Fran's avatar

I can't stand Maddow, and at one time I liked her, but she and those like her is one of the reasons democrats have become so ruthless. They were given free rein during the Trump years. They could push the lie of Russia-gate and garner support from the press and even left wing sites, like Amy Goodman. They were supported by the deep state and courted by neocons and any celebrity could spew Trump hate even calling for his death, so is it any wonder they behave in in an authoritarian manner in regard to dealing with the issue of freedom of speech? They lie when it comes to calling the Jan 6 riot an insurrection, then push for an unconstitutional Jan 6 committee to substantiate their lie. Their authoritarian demeanor supported by many was on full display at the meeting with Taibbi.

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Bill Owen's avatar

Sanders never even fought back against the smear that PTUIN! supported him. Nader has washed his hands of this man. That says a lot.

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Rob Brown's avatar

That's the right call by Nader, although sadly Nader believed RussiaGate. I know that no one is right about everything, but it was still disappointing for me.

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Bill Owen's avatar

Sanders has voted for war repeatedly. After Sander voted no on the invasion of Iraq in 03, in his cute performative way, he then voted several times to fund it when few were paying attention. He has since said that he regretted that, which is yet more performance.

Bernie's role in the great psychodrama is as the designated rebel. Sanders and his wife Jane are "good friends" with the Bidens, they have dinner parties.

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Fran's avatar

I have come to understand that. The dems were not always so self serving. Thomas Franks books take you on their journey of their decline, and citizens united passed by the Supreme Court really didn't help.

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Pacificus's avatar

Thanks for the book tip, Fran...yeah, Thomas Frank is among the most perceptive obervers of what is going on. I'll check it out.

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Pacificus's avatar

Spot on, Bill Owen. Yes, the Bern is a putz of the first order...another example of the hypocrisy of the system....Trump remains the only national politician in my lifetime who has taken this system on, which is why he is still so popular in spite of his many flaws.

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feldspar's avatar

Trump didn't and has never "taken the system on." This "system" you so casually and opaquely reference is the same "system" that has enriched (in your lifetime) a charlatan and serial criminal such as your man Trump while simultaneously impoverishing millions of Americans.

Trump merely took advantage of a "system" that was clearly screwing 90% of the population and rode his revanchist rhetoric to electoral victory. Helped greatly by the crude and cynical political strategy the cretinous Steve Bannon and other fascist whisperers whispered in his ear along the way.

Trump is, however, the first politician in your "lifetime" (how many years stacked up in your "lifetime?") to say the quiet part out loud, the sort of stuff which has always attracted and turned on the worst elements of American society. Always. From the very beginning. You can see the zebra, Pacificus---now start looking for the stripes.

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Pacificus's avatar

Ah, Fedspar is in the house. As the crowd surrounding Ray Epps in DC on January 5 said:

FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED! FED!

I'm sure you've seen that video!

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Pacificus's avatar

Oh Fedspar, you silly guy you...of course Trump took the sytem on...otherwise, why would so many Deep Staters like yourself spend so much time and money trying to take him down? So fail on that point.

But yes, this system does screw 90% of us (or more) in its current configuration...but to you, "saying the quiet part out loud" is a bad thing, so it seems. Fedspar, it's not complicated: bring home the troops, bring home the jobs, secure the border. BUt we know that the military industrial complex and corporate globalists don't like that kind of talk. I guess there idea is, without endless foreign wars and access to cheap overseas labor, how is anyone gonna get rich?

And speaking of "fascist," it is your side that has weaponized the FBI as Biden's private goon squad (as numerous FBI agents are beginnng to testify), uses a whole raft of federal agencies to control public opinion via Twitter, et al (read msybe re-read Matt's work on this, you seem to have missed it), and, worst of all, infiltrates private citizen groups and instigates violence for political ends, a la January 6. Yes, Fedspar, the truth on that "black op" is coming out.

"You can see the zebra, Pacificus---now start looking for the stripes." I do like that line!

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feldspar's avatar

You might be surprised to discover whose "side" I'm on and whose "side" I'm not on. Heh--you ever find out what happened on Jan. 6? "The truth on that 'black op..." You sound just like the idiot liberals who kept insisting that a Comey, then a Garland, indictment of Trump is just around the corner.

Once again, pacific, you're holding up the rest of the class. Don't be a dumbbell. I anticipate much eraser pounding against brick walls in the future for you if you don't snap out of it forthwith.

I like you but once the barricades go up there will be very little I can do for you.

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Pacificus's avatar

So, Fedspar, you are simultanously denying and acknowledging your role as a Deep State agent...and now I see I have (inadvertently) become one of your "subscribers"...fun, I can troll your site, like you do this one.

Hey, Trump's indictment does seem to be "just around the corner"..this time it may be for real. .Guess you have not been reading the headlines in the past day or so. Speaking of students, do try to keep up..

But in a more serious vein: yes, I probably am risking imprisonment for the crime of speaking truth to power...just like any other totalitarian state. For my comments break no law that I am aware of. The sad thing is that you are not more outraged by that. Do tell, whose side are you on, really? And if (as I suspect) you are on the Dark Side, know that you can always flip, all will be forgiven (well maybe,first gotta see what "all" entails).

Tell Ray I said hi.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Nope. This isn't a movie it's our live's. Always remain calm when dealing with viper's.

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