The plight of poor blacks living in racially segregated ghettoes in the inner city is perfectly compatible with a scenario where past racism set up a self-perpetuating cycle of high crime and low prospects. That doesn't mean systemic racism in the here and now is actually an issue.
Armadillos are born as quadruplets, and used to be important for leprosy research, as one of the few animals who catch it. The genetic identity of four individuals is a big bonus.
Then you have to account for phenomenon like the economic success that Asian and Latino workers experience in contrast to blacks. Asians earn more than whites. If society is systematically racist how is that possible?
Mango, I suggest you read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell. The first chapter (65 pages) gives an excellent, well-documented (almost 190 notes) explanation of redneck culture, where it came from, and how it has affected blacks in America.
All of it. White leftists banging the victimhood drum on behalf of black people is drivel, whatever the specific points raised. It's literally the worst, most disempowering thing you could do for/to them. Please stop.
So if the issue is historic racism rather than ongoing systemic racism I would argue that solutions that assume structural racism in the current day as a primary factor are doomed to failure.
The crazy thing is that the great sort that is going on now is funneling working class voters to the Republicans--and it is ignoring race. Josh Kraushaar at Vox had a piece responding to the NY Times/Siena poll that showed minority support for the Dems cratering. He framed it this way: the Dems are increasingly the party of white college educated professionals while the GOP is building a multiracial working class coalition, with inflation as jet fuel. Michael Lind, Ruy Texeira, David Shor--they're all saying the same thing.
What's sad for the Dems is that could have been their coalition. What happened? I think a piece of it is crazy woke talk about race that is alienating moderate voters of all races, and that's probably only possible because those same voters reject the idea that the country is structurally racist. Ruy Texeira has a Substack where he highlighted a poll that asked different racial groups if they would pick up a rifle and fight for this country if it was invaded. Whites came in second place in terms of answering "Yes". The racial group most willing to fight to defend the country? Hispanics.
The Democrats cast off the Poor and Working Class in favor of donations, mostly from Wall Street. Politicians are an extension of their donors.
Lots of echos from Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberal" from you.
When I grew up in the South, Blacks had their own parallel existence, that overlapped with whites and was separate (and surely not equal). But they generally had the same values. I believed that changed more than is recognized when Black men went from 1 in 10 or 12 being felons ("losers") to the present 1 in 3 being felons (in many cases rightly "victims"), and their whole culture has changed. The War on Drugs and Private For Profit Prisons, and the fact that hardly anyone will hire felons, has done them in.
As far as I know, there are no whites-only underwater welding schools.
Nobody said that underwater welders cannot participate in society or capitalism, just that they will be treated very differently from people in learned professions, regardless of race.
Walk into a medical clinic, and you will be asked a very different set of questions, depending on how you're dressed, so give the first example to come to mind.
For that matter, Adolph Reed noted that many of the examples you provided (e.g. police profiling) correlate better to class than race.
OK, how about 1) New Hampshire prioritized non-White individuals for COVID-19 vaccinations; or 2) Black and minority farmers received $4B in debt relief after being prioritized over white farmers.
Adolph Reed provided a statistical analysis, regarding the CJ system. Or, if you prefer, look at the way schools treat working class kids, regardless of color, vs. kids of professionals.
You throw out examples specifically tied to racial discrimination, which I never said was not a thing.
The plight of poor blacks living in racially segregated ghettoes in the inner city is perfectly compatible with a scenario where past racism set up a self-perpetuating cycle of high crime and low prospects. That doesn't mean systemic racism in the here and now is actually an issue.
Armadillos are born as quadruplets, and used to be important for leprosy research, as one of the few animals who catch it. The genetic identity of four individuals is a big bonus.
That was the default description from Substack when I started the newsletter. I didn't see any reason to change it.
Then you have to account for phenomenon like the economic success that Asian and Latino workers experience in contrast to blacks. Asians earn more than whites. If society is systematically racist how is that possible?
Mango, I suggest you read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell. The first chapter (65 pages) gives an excellent, well-documented (almost 190 notes) explanation of redneck culture, where it came from, and how it has affected blacks in America.
Mango, you are well meaning, but you are sadly mistaken if you think you are helping black people by spouting this drivel.
All of it. White leftists banging the victimhood drum on behalf of black people is drivel, whatever the specific points raised. It's literally the worst, most disempowering thing you could do for/to them. Please stop.
So if the issue is historic racism rather than ongoing systemic racism I would argue that solutions that assume structural racism in the current day as a primary factor are doomed to failure.
The crazy thing is that the great sort that is going on now is funneling working class voters to the Republicans--and it is ignoring race. Josh Kraushaar at Vox had a piece responding to the NY Times/Siena poll that showed minority support for the Dems cratering. He framed it this way: the Dems are increasingly the party of white college educated professionals while the GOP is building a multiracial working class coalition, with inflation as jet fuel. Michael Lind, Ruy Texeira, David Shor--they're all saying the same thing.
What's sad for the Dems is that could have been their coalition. What happened? I think a piece of it is crazy woke talk about race that is alienating moderate voters of all races, and that's probably only possible because those same voters reject the idea that the country is structurally racist. Ruy Texeira has a Substack where he highlighted a poll that asked different racial groups if they would pick up a rifle and fight for this country if it was invaded. Whites came in second place in terms of answering "Yes". The racial group most willing to fight to defend the country? Hispanics.
The Democrats cast off the Poor and Working Class in favor of donations, mostly from Wall Street. Politicians are an extension of their donors.
Lots of echos from Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberal" from you.
When I grew up in the South, Blacks had their own parallel existence, that overlapped with whites and was separate (and surely not equal). But they generally had the same values. I believed that changed more than is recognized when Black men went from 1 in 10 or 12 being felons ("losers") to the present 1 in 3 being felons (in many cases rightly "victims"), and their whole culture has changed. The War on Drugs and Private For Profit Prisons, and the fact that hardly anyone will hire felons, has done them in.
As far as I know, there are no whites-only underwater welding schools.
Nobody said that underwater welders cannot participate in society or capitalism, just that they will be treated very differently from people in learned professions, regardless of race.
Walk into a medical clinic, and you will be asked a very different set of questions, depending on how you're dressed, so give the first example to come to mind.
For that matter, Adolph Reed noted that many of the examples you provided (e.g. police profiling) correlate better to class than race.
Your experience and mine differ, then.
OK, how about 1) New Hampshire prioritized non-White individuals for COVID-19 vaccinations; or 2) Black and minority farmers received $4B in debt relief after being prioritized over white farmers.
Now you are trying to frame the argument.
Adolph Reed provided a statistical analysis, regarding the CJ system. Or, if you prefer, look at the way schools treat working class kids, regardless of color, vs. kids of professionals.
"Structural barriers facing non-whites."
Here we go . . . what are these "barriers"? pray tell.
It's supernatural.
Read "white working class" (joan c williams) and "the great revolt" (salena zito)