As it sounds like this is a favorite of yours, what translation do you prefer? Mansfield/Tarcov?
I'm excited for this one, as I've never read anything but The Prince by him. A huge gap, given that having studied in Florence, I have a natural interest in all things Florentine. I imagine his discourse is highly influenced by his experiences there.
Oxford, the one we are using and the only one I have studied, is Bondanella.
A woman I interviewed for a profile that will be out in The American Conservative next week went to Florence in between undergrad and grad school, it is in the profile at some length
Thanks -- that one seems very readable, with a much more natural flow for our ears.
The Mansfield/Tarcov is supposedly highly regarded due to its precision, as the translators were political theorists at Harvard and University of Chicago. From my scan it seems to adhere closely to the Italian in sentence construction, which makes it feel a bit stilted.
Heh! Yea, I forget at times as the Florentine is so close in many aspects to modern Italian. I'd taken a look at the original text online earlier and thought maybe I could do it without translation. I can muddle my way through it with about half comprehension based on very rough knowledge of Italian.
But that'd be way to slow for this first go-around. Maybe next time!
The first episode was great. The story was hysterical given its 2400 years old.
The whole rationale for having women run the government sounds like the campaign of Clinton, Haley , or every other woman who has ginned up a run recently ( except Harris who was just “there” with no message)
The whole underlying elect a woman because “she isnt a man, has been a mom, wont starts wars because then it could be her son, and as Moms, therefore, gets shit done.”
Great first meet up of the new get lit. I enjoyed the new host. He’s intelligent, affable, confident but not arrogant. And I liked hearing Matt’s opinions and enjoyed the back and forth more. Balanced.
Thank you for posting the book ahead of time. I live in a place where it may take books more time to arrive if I don’t have them in my library. I really appreciate this.
yes it's probably optimal to give people notice 2 weeks in advance to acquire books, though overall I hope to keep the listeners reading around 150 pages a week, which isn't very much (to me, at least.)
That sounds great to me. I think 150 pages a week is about my ceiling in order to keep up, with some variance depending on the work. With something as dense as Inferno, for example, that would be far too rapid.
For clarity to readers, Book one of Discourses on Livy for Monday, which is around 140 pages.
We will try to give better notice of which parts to read in the future!
As it sounds like this is a favorite of yours, what translation do you prefer? Mansfield/Tarcov?
I'm excited for this one, as I've never read anything but The Prince by him. A huge gap, given that having studied in Florence, I have a natural interest in all things Florentine. I imagine his discourse is highly influenced by his experiences there.
Oxford, the one we are using and the only one I have studied, is Bondanella.
A woman I interviewed for a profile that will be out in The American Conservative next week went to Florence in between undergrad and grad school, it is in the profile at some length
Thanks -- that one seems very readable, with a much more natural flow for our ears.
The Mansfield/Tarcov is supposedly highly regarded due to its precision, as the translators were political theorists at Harvard and University of Chicago. From my scan it seems to adhere closely to the Italian in sentence construction, which makes it feel a bit stilted.
*Florentine sentence construction 😅
I have the Lynch translation of Machiavelli's Art of War and it is fine, he is a UC guy as well
Heh! Yea, I forget at times as the Florentine is so close in many aspects to modern Italian. I'd taken a look at the original text online earlier and thought maybe I could do it without translation. I can muddle my way through it with about half comprehension based on very rough knowledge of Italian.
But that'd be way to slow for this first go-around. Maybe next time!
The first episode was great. The story was hysterical given its 2400 years old.
The whole rationale for having women run the government sounds like the campaign of Clinton, Haley , or every other woman who has ginned up a run recently ( except Harris who was just “there” with no message)
The whole underlying elect a woman because “she isnt a man, has been a mom, wont starts wars because then it could be her son, and as Moms, therefore, gets shit done.”
The more things change …
Great first meet up of the new get lit. I enjoyed the new host. He’s intelligent, affable, confident but not arrogant. And I liked hearing Matt’s opinions and enjoyed the back and forth more. Balanced.
Thank you for posting the book ahead of time. I live in a place where it may take books more time to arrive if I don’t have them in my library. I really appreciate this.
THIS☝🏻
Yup, this reading list is great. The further ahead of time we can get upcoming titles, the better.
yes it's probably optimal to give people notice 2 weeks in advance to acquire books, though overall I hope to keep the listeners reading around 150 pages a week, which isn't very much (to me, at least.)
That sounds great to me. I think 150 pages a week is about my ceiling in order to keep up, with some variance depending on the work. With something as dense as Inferno, for example, that would be far too rapid.
yes one has to consider what the text is and also how the text is internally ordered
I am enjoying this a LOT! Love the old texts to read or reread. Thank you both, Matt and Brad!
I’m so excited for this
“ Discourses on Livy” Gosh, more “ light reading” lol