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SimulationCommander's avatar

A question for Matt, if you have the time:

When do you think Durham realized it was all a giant lie, and why did he sit on that information for as long as he did? There's zero chance that this 'investigation' took this long.

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Pacificus's avatar

I'm guessing Durham knew it was a giant lie before he even started his investigation. His job was to string out and water down whatever story finally emerged. The end.

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Fiery Hunt's avatar

Not actually buying that. I'm guessing (and only a guess) that the Beltway conditions people to respond like "This is normal but we should be aware of..."

Corruption is absoltely root deep.

Not just in the political parties, not just in the inteligence community,not just in corporate media, but in the educational institutions that feed it.

These people actively seek money and power over the rest of us.

They truly want to own the plantation with every non-rich American as slaves.

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J Boss's avatar

If you don't buy it, you don't know Durham's track record. Whitey Bulgari, CIA torture investigation. Same report outcome, some level of prosecution (none). He's a smother artist.

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Fiery Hunt's avatar

Interesting...did not know that.

Gonna have to think about the actual ramifications of telling watered down truths and what that means they're up to now.

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feldspar's avatar

That true, we's all best money-up right quick.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

*vigorous nodding IRL*

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Danno's avatar

Call me naive, but I think Durham's job was to expose as much of the rotten scheme as possible. In order to accomplish that, he might have had to promise to protect the major players like Clinton and Obama.

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Pacificus's avatar

Actually, I think Durham's job was to expose as little of the rotten scheme as possible. And it seems he succeeded in doing that.

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MichelleD's avatar

Durham’s name will go down in infamy.

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Shelley's avatar

By all sides.

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Bill Heath's avatar

Most credible explanation I've heard.

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Nobody's avatar

There's absolutely no way that this report comes out just as the 2024 election campaigns start up is a coincidence.

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feldspar's avatar

When did you expect it to come out? Durham spent 4 years rearranging and collating the report made public by Inspector General Michael Horowitz in 2019.

Durham's farce was a sop to people like Fox idiot Sean Hannity. "Investigate the investigators." 7-8 paragraphs of useful info out of more than 300 pages. Thanks, John.

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D M's avatar

100% accurate.

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feldspar's avatar

Try reading the actual Durham report. If you require assistance, feel free to contact.

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Pacificus's avatar

PS: Feldspar, it's sad to think that you are lurking on this site in an effort to monitor presumed troublemakers who you will duly report to the relevant authorities. You must know by now that this site is mostly comprised of responsible citizens who want the best for this country, present company included

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Pacificus's avatar

Feldspar, should I require assistance digesting the Durham Report, you will be the first I person I will ask.

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KHP's avatar

That's funny, because feldspar is pretty much the last person I would ask

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Pacificus's avatar

Feldspar is a bright guy who is a little confused politically. I'm trying to help him get better.

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Fergus's avatar

Come to you for help with literacy, Mr. “Must ‘of’ missed…?” That’s as sad as your politics.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Strzok and Page recognized from the outset that it was bullshit.

Their ostensibly private communications to one another (where they had no reason to lie or dissemble) were part of the public record since almost the beginning.

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Brad's avatar

Yup. Just days after the investigation was opened, Strzok was telling a London FBI employee that “there’s nothing to this."

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Secret Squirrel's avatar

Then explain how Page was scared Trump might win and .Strzok assured her, “We’ll stop it.” It doesn’t add up.

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Brad's avatar

The FBI fully expected Clinton to win. They were also fully aware of the Clinton campaign strategy to frame Trump. Rather than step in, they abetted the plan. Just because they privately admitted there was nothing to Crossfire Hurricane doesn't mean they weren't fully committed to using the probe to undermine and frame Trump so as to make him unelectable in the eyes of the public.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

They then freaked TF out about Trump exposing all of this while he was in office.

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feldspar's avatar

Cut the bullshit.

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Brad's avatar

How about you stop running your mouth and go read the report so you can actually come up with a substantive rebuttal?

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feldspar's avatar

Very creative nonsense, Brad. Are you designing board games now?

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Brad's avatar

Go back to MSNBC. You're embarrassing yourself.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

feldspar, what's your take on all this? Was this a smear campaign or a legit investigation? I'm referring to Crossfire Hurricane.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

"There's nothing to do this" is much different than "We'll stop it".........just look at what actually happened. There was nothing to do it, but they still managed to stop Trump with the lie, didn't they?

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MichelleD's avatar

Either way, it is election interference. And that with no penalties.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Should those at the top be held accountable?

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Mike Eyre's avatar

None of it happens if they don't force Flynn to step away under threat. If Flynn sticks to his guns and Trump keeps him on, Russiagate never materializes. That was the great stroke of luck for the swamp that enabled all of it to this day.

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feldspar's avatar

Mike Flynn either belongs in prison, or on the receiving end of a timely intervention by agents of the Deep State.

His lawyers can plea bargain with the State (Deep). An internationally televised castration on the public Mall in D.C. The public demands it. The Constitution demands it. Have a good day.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

The Cult of the Democrat Party, but not the public at large. Please adjust your tinfoil hat; it's getting warm out there.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

You are seriously deranged regarding Flynn. Can you articulate any truth that supports your delusion?

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2 Cool 2 Fool's avatar

Your ignorance of the facts is refreshing.

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JackSirius's avatar

It adds up perfectly because all federal agencies are led by political appointees, which means they are political sycophants of the incoming presidential administration. After making the “there’s nothing to this” statement to a subordinate in a throwaway (probably decontextualized) conversation in which he was strutting his professional acumen, Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Strzok realized (or was convinced) at some point that the only way he would become FBI director was to hitch his star to the Clinton Campaign.

I know it might sound banal, but never underestimate the role of ambition and hubris in a hierarchy, especially in, arguably, the most powerful agency in the federal government.

Of course, also, we will never know what secret promises--or threats--Strzok received.

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feldspar's avatar

What else is there in hierarchy other than hubris and ambition?

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JackSirius's avatar

I suppose we could throw soul-sucking vampirism in there.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

I think the CIA trumps the FBI. Pun intended.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

And also, do we know what this “insurance policy” was? I watched Strzok’s testimony... he struck me as not stable, something about his manner was off.

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Shelley's avatar

It was being caught. He thought he was invincible. He was doing the country a favor by removing the champion of the Walmart shoppers. How dare anyone malign his integrity and impartiality. The Left made him a hero so he got the big bucks.

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feldspar's avatar

Which means what, exactly, in that particular context? What is the context? A single agent saying this to another agent in a lone conversation? That's proof of what? Other than a casual conversation between spooks took place. You're embarrassing yourself again, Brad.

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Brad's avatar

You don't think it's significant that the FBI’s deputy assistant director for counterintelligence, who opened the investigation “immediately” at the direction of Andrew McCabe, and who "at a minimum, had pronounced hostile feelings toward Trump,” admitted that there was nothing to Crossfire Hurricane? YOU are once again embarrassing yourself, you willfully ignorant moron.

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feldspar's avatar

In a random, single conversation as framed and described? Without additional context? No, I don't.

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Brad's avatar

"Additional context." Jesus Christ himself could tell you that Russiagate was pure bullshit cooked up by the Clinton campaign and the FBI in an attempt to undermine a political opponent and you would be unmoved. You're no longer worth engaging.

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feldspar's avatar

Got those handy Feral?

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feldspar's avatar

But then he changed his mind and changed course, didn't he?

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Jonathan's avatar

They want Trump to win the GOP primary. That's why it's timed this way, and it's why the MSM is actually covering it.

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Brad's avatar

The MSM absolutely wants Trump to win the primary - both because they believe he's the only candidate Biden can beat, and because it would be a boon for their ratings.

The “Trump bump” helped catapult digital subscriptions at the Times to a record-breaking 7 million by 2020, while the Washington Post “doubled digital subscription revenue in [2016], with a 75% increase in new subscribers.” Trump was also the driving force behind record ratings and profits for CNN and MSNBC.

https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/how-trump-both-saved-and-changed

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Paul R's avatar

Well,I was a Biden voter, and used to say I'd never vote for Trump. I've switched my point of view glad to say, and this report seals it.

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David's avatar

*High five*

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Shelley's avatar

Well, an actual Biden voter! I thought all his votes were manufactured.

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Chuck's avatar

Only the ones he needed to win

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Karen Herrera's avatar

They weren't exactly manufactured, but many voters were duped via the Administrative State and manipulation of the media.

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Perplexity's avatar

And that's why I'll be voting in the Dem primary this time, for Kennedy.

Here in my home state of Mich, the Gubernatorial race went to the Dem incumbent (Whitmer) largely because the GoP primary frontrunner (Kelly) was arrested and charged (by ultra-woke Dana Nessel, Mich Atty Gen) for some idiotic non-crime having to do with Jan 6, and we ended up with an extraordinarily lame nominee, who lost by a fairly large margin.

The Dems have been refining their moves (with Mich as the sandbox).

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

I will register as a D in FL simply to vote for Kennedy in the primary, then in the general election will vote for whoever the R candidate turns out to be. I hope it's Trump, and it's looking likely he will be the man, since DeSantis has not yet declared and probably won't. If he's wise he'll build on his popularity and wait until 2028 and the Trump chaos is over one way or another.

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Susan G's avatar

I plan on doing the same in Pennsylvania primary. As to the general, I'm wait and see.

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Perplexity's avatar

Bull Hubbard, I agree!!!

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Brad's avatar

Michigan is also my home state. I feel your pain. 🙄

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rob Wright's avatar

Michigan was my home state too. Fled when the auto workers who voted en mass for Reagan, started voting for the party that wanted to outlaw the internal combustion engine. Talk about dumb shits, sad

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Kathleen McCook's avatar

The autoworkers are now the union for California universities and they seem to have a lot of power. This is odd, I know. https://prospect.org/labor/how-did-those-uc-grad-students-become-auto-workers/

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Shelley's avatar

A handful of dedicated researchers spent the better part of a year (2020-2021) doing a deep dive into Michigan's University. I've read all of their receipts. MU was and is being used by the CIA and FBI to collude with the CCP and PLA to not only spy on Americans but rig our elections. Many CCP members work at the University and have for years. They head many of the departments that build internet databases connected to mainland China, and do special projects for the DOD also.

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feldspar's avatar

Funny, their votes for Reagan helped many of them become ex-auto workers. Talk about dumb shits...

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Perplexity's avatar

/sigh yep, a lot of us in the same boat here

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rtj's avatar

I may well vote for Kennedy in the Mass primaries if i even vote. Unless, of course, a candidate i actually could live with for potus should surface.

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Perplexity's avatar

Actually it's not that I couldn't 'stomach' Trump or DeSantis as president, it's just that with Trump in the lead (but with a lot of legal harassment aimed at him) I suspect we'll end with a Dem president again.

If we're doomed to have another one, I'd much prefer Kennedy over the geriatric puppet whose backside is warming the chair in the oval office now.

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jim's avatar

kennedy has no shot, the democrats will rig the primaries if thats what it takes. They need the clueless dementia patient puppet to keep pushing there agenda.

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limpia's avatar

my goodness! this makes sense. However, they are wrong re Biden beating him. Without them cheating and with an awesome running mate, Trump would win hugely!

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SimulationCommander's avatar

It's not about actually beating Trump, it's about having more excuses as to why they won. (And as a bonus, they can call any cheating claims "standard Trump BS")

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Shelley's avatar

Nailed it!

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Chuck's avatar

Bigly

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Nobody's avatar

That or perhaps Trump has cut a deal with the insiders and will play ball with TPTB this time. Let's be honest here, it's not like he has any scruples.

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Shelley's avatar

He has one scruple - Make America Great Again.

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feldspar's avatar

NOW that's funny!

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Shelley's avatar

And the Dems have one too. Oct 2020 Biden interview [cameras rolling] “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-brags-about-voter-fraud-organization/

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

For first and foremost , ratings...you amoral people ( because I can’t say “whores.”) And , two, GO RFK JR!!! Whether he debates Biden or Harris, he wins! The actual election.... sadly, I have no trust in the voting process. Zero.

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jbt1980's avatar

Debates? Which debates? From what I heard, DNC doesn't want any. Sensible choice otherwise everybody would see that their anointed candidate is brain dead, literally and figuratively.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

It’s going to be a hard call for the DNC… they will lose voters if they decree “no debates” and of course, unless Bidens Delaware Docs concoct an even more powerful Adderal cocktail, Tapioca Joe will look like … tapioca.

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Shelley's avatar

November 2024 Fox News calls the last two states for Biden who successfully accrues a nationwide total of 89 million votes!

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

LOL! Oh let’s just make it a Billion!! I’m always chagrined when someone starts talking about the next election and voters will “blah, blah, blah”… after the last 25 years , I have little hope of a fair election. C’mon Man!!!

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Brian Katz's avatar

Thank you, makes good sense.

I fell off my chair last night when the evening news on NBC reported this.

I scratched my head why ?

Now I know.

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Shelley's avatar

The last time I watched an NBC evening news program was in 1984. Same with ABC and CBS. For me they are gone but certainly their selective reporting techniques are not forgotten.

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Brian Katz's avatar

I still watch NBC news a few nights a week to better understand what those who live around me are being fed. It keeps me up to date with the pop culture narrative.

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Shelley's avatar

I'm sure you are not the only one watching why the country lives the lies.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

My thoughts exactly.

“Bombshells” will be dropped till the primaries with the goal of solidifying Trumps base.

Hopefully we don’t take the bait.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Oh, I am solidly Trump 2024!

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Yes I know many are. I voted for him twice but will not vote for him in the primary. I don't think he can win in the general. Those who ascribe Trump's loss entirely to fraud overlook Trump's serious mistakes that also contributed to his loss. He had a hand in the loss of the Senate in 2020 and 2022 which makes him partially responsible for the mess we are currently in. I could go on at length. He did a lot of great things as President and was unfairly maligned but he is no match for the enemy we face. Maybe no one is but we must try and we must win to try.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

You’ve been influenced by disinformation.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Perhaps but I try to focus on what my eyes see and critically evaluate things. We are well aware of the left's attempt to dissuade people from believing their lying eyes. The Repubs who inhabit the swamp do the same. It is disturbing to see that Trump has employed the same tactic of bold face lies to influence people. This is a clear indication that he will never be the leader we need to get us out of this mess. He will also potentially alienate too many people to win.

There are many examples but Trump's characterization of DeSantis and covid is a case in point. He and his team also routinely now call anyone who disagree with him RINOs or never Trumpers. Seen that name calling strategy before? I want a leader who wins with logical cogent arguments not name calling and lying. It was funny the first time around. It's not now.

There is much more to say but will finish with the hope that people critically evaluate our primary options before automatically backing Trump. It strongly appears that the Dems want Trump. That alone should be a red flag.

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feldspar's avatar

I know, who in their right mind (or anyone with a brain) could possibly believe that Trump "did a lot of great things as President and was unfairly maligned?"

Agree---influenced by disinformation. Solid catch.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

" I don't think he can win in the general."

If the Ds nominate Jr. Trump is toast. If Dementia Joe is shoehorned in Trump will win in a fair election. The sense I get from my working class neighbors and acquaintances is that Biden is pure poison.

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feldspar's avatar

The Dems are not going to nominate Kennedy, and if the republicans are foolish enough to nominate Trump, Biden will beat Trump. Biden, admittedly not a strong candidate, will once again reap the good fortune of having an even more unpopular Trump as his electoral opponent. Alert your working class neighbors that the strychnine has a shelf life of at least four more years.

My larger concern at this point is that DeSanty is going to bag before he even commits, thus robbing the nation of the spectacle of these two vipers circling, hissing and striking...Fingers crossed.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

Agree on Jr. I hope you are correct on a Trump/Biden match up. We have a lot of independent and moderate democrat friends. Even though most don't like Biden, none of them would vote for Trump even if it is another Biden match up (which I don't think it will be). I think there is too much water under the bridge with Trump and since covid, the Dem strategy has blown away the Repubs and Trump.

Have you read Mollie Hemingway's Rigged? Very informative on a number of levels. Repubs and Trump were outmaneuvered in the courts well before election day and Trump personally undermined the post election court battles. Covid was completely weaponized to not only take out Trump but change voting laws. Trump and Repubs had their rear ends kicked on that too. There are a lot of other things that happened which Trump and Repubs were unable to counter through no fault of their own. Anyway I could go on but you get the idea! Trump is too great a risk IMO. We need a leader who can communicate with the middle and the base to win and flourish.

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Jay's avatar

I disagree. If they wanted him to win the primary they wouldn’t continue harassing him with frivolous lawsuits. If he wins the primary he will win the general. They will not let that happen, they have too much to lose.

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Sue Seboda's avatar

I hope you are correct but I fear otherwise. Trump has become the Dems greatest weapon to win as evidenced in the last 3 elections. There are far too many people who would vote for a serial killer over Trump and either candidate must have the independents to win. Trump doesn't. Trump hate also provides cover for greater election shenanigans. Even without that, I think there is a very strong chance he would lose in the general.

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feldspar's avatar

A lot of "theys" there, Jay. And whoever "they" are, I'm here to tell you that "they" and "they" and "they" operate and function under "they" own rules. They are not as synchronized as you might like to think.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Like the lack of synchronization between your brain and mouth? Mr. Jay revealed an interesting POV, you offer witless stupidity.

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feldspar's avatar

Cosmo T Kat gettin' active! I like it, I like it! Interesting POV? I dunno 'bout that. Apologies extended though.

I often forget that the floaters in the Racket News comment section understand the world not as a collection of neutrons, protons and electrons, but as a series of mutating and random conspiracy theories (the DNA of the perpetually harried right-wing), randomly organized (yet somehow linked) in a double helix of paranoia and grievance. Again, apologies.

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Rather Curmudgeonly's avatar

Yeah, there was never any intent for Durham to actually hang anyone.

What he has done is meticulously documented this, which will be a nice coda to the JFK files when they are finally released late in the 23rd century.

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Dr. K's avatar

It will get moved to the 25th century. You are way too optimistic.

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feldspar's avatar

It was a 300-page press release that accurately reflected John Durham's indifference to what was, he knew, a bullshit assignment. That was the worst fucking Executive Summary I believe I've ever read. It was more like Morse code than English.

He had four years to put it together, but I suspect it was written and organized in a week of all-nighters. Being a Federal big-shot, Durham probably has access to some of that hard-to-get adderall. You know he did.

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PL's avatar

That's the whole point. The Beltway set doesn't really want to blow anything up over this.

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Paul Harper's avatar

Point 1 - there's little that's new in the actions of the malefactors - so we're not talking about one lie, but an organic fabric of falsehoods that goes right back to the Ohio company of Virginia. Profit, murder, enslavement and rape is the business model from the founding fathers up to the "fight for democracy" in Ukraine - the current cash cow.

Point 2 - that's all the Trump-Russia lie ever was - boxing Trump into continuing the Ukraine/Syria belongs to America program. Money, money, money, money, and money - turning Odessa into an American port and "spreading democracy" via the dissolution of Russia and regime change in Syria. That the CIA and other US agencies is actually training actual Nazis in the Ukraine and ISIS members in Syria matters not a bit - all in the name of Empire.

Point 3 - Robert Kennedy understands the nature of the threat, as do plenty of others. The lies and the damage are permanent features of the exploitation empire, not bugs. We'll be in this fight for a long time to come.

Point 4 - Hope is real and built on the foundation of fact. Imagine how little we'd have known had Hillary's fix in 2016 actually worked. All these pricks have are their lies and their fear-mongering. Deciding to surrender is the only way we lose.

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Shelley's avatar

Somewhere in the Chinese stick puzzle are sticks of truth. You found 4 of them.

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ih8edjfkjr's avatar

Quite a lot of lawyers knew the SC office was purposefully omitting key information and gilding the lily on claims as early as the Papadop indictment.

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Gordy Halverson's avatar

Plus why didn’t he interview Comey?

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Not knowing better, I'm going to give Durham the benefit of the doubt. But he relied on cooperation from dozens of swamp creatures, who could all slow-walk his requests. Besides, it wouldn't matter if his report came out in a week - the media is ignoring one of the great scandals of U.S. history, and many Americans will be never the wiser.

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feldspar's avatar

What exactly was the scandal? That it took Durham four years to write his term paper?

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JD's avatar

Brad's correct- the cartoonish replies that stumble off your keyboard are hardly worth engaging. But if you can't see this as a scandal, we'll have to assume you've willfully adopted Mr. McGoo's identity

A candidate for President saw the offsite, unprotected server as potentially jeopardizing her coronation. They hire foreigners (oh no, election interference!) to concoct a ridiculous dossier, supported by zero facts or evidence. How brazen was the storyline? It was actually the candidate's husband who took $750K from the chosen boogeyman- Russia

They then feed the fable to our "intelligence" services, which launch farcical investigations against the opposing candidate. The also feed the tall tale to a willful, exuberant press Corp, which foists the political propoganda unto the public. Additionally, the media serves as a laundromat for leaks and, dare I say, mis- and disinformation

The joke really kicked in after DT became President, upsetting our governmental higherarchy and ruining the pantsuit market. This could not stand. Our very own government didn't just favor a side; they actively conspired against a sitting administration by fabricating and utilizing evidence they knew to be false from day one!

The clown show went on for years. It ripped the country apart. Still to this day, despite all the malfeasance finding light (no thanks to our state media), there are still people who believe the fictional "Russia, Russia!" narrative. Oh look, there's one now ☝️

Never have we seen corruption on this scale in the US. All of our power centers joined together to refute the will of the people. This is banana republic, totalitarian level stuff. The scariest part about your ignorance, is that the state will one day turn on your interests. Theyve already told half the country to fuck off. Your day will come. You're ceding rights and power to an entity that operates with impunity, all to get one man. Good luck getting your interests covered. That's reserved for elites. And you ain't getting in to that party

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devoalan's avatar

Well met!

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Sea Sentry's avatar

The scandal is that the FBI manipulated various investigations to favor a political outcome rather than objectively follow the facts. You’re OK with that?

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flyovercountry's avatar

you have to wonder: was Durham a part of the plan? And why suggest things have been put in place to correct this behavior in the future? And nothing and nobody changes. We've been had over and over.

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Mike R.'s avatar

SORRY MR. VOID DESPITE EMAILS I'M STILL ONLY ALLOWED TO POST IN COMMENTS.

Life in a political system where suspicion and distrust reign, supported by the clear message that the citizen is powerless to change it, is not life in a Constitutional Republic. Neither is the exposure of a mass conspiracy that manipulated an election and subverted a Presidency, by the appointee's of an elected American political leadership sworn to protect the Constitution. Add the perp's belief in their ability to completely evade punishment, and their obvious willingness to do it again, and again, is--well, you tell me? At what point does the citizens shrug of his "politic's-as-usual" shoulders become complicity? Or, capitulation? The fool driving the get away car is just as guilty as the man sticking the gun in the tellers face. Calling D.C. a swamp doesn't negate the fact that for almost a decade now the DNC has held Americans hostage to a lie. A surveillance state bureaucratic justice department willing to allow the creation of political object lessons like Assange, Snowden and (from what Carlson showed us) the J/6 victims, is a clear declaration: You're under arrest!! And, like Assange, Snowden and the J/6 prisoner's, once you're gone, you're gone for good. The Taibbi/Shellenberger/Twitter hearings was the D.N.C. cocking the gun on free speech and opinion but who has their finger on the trigger?

The CCP/WEF Davos crowd (fascist capital) is situated squarely in the DNC's ass and their propagandist arm, the Marxist/feminist "woke" D.E.I. commissariat, sends us daily reports on the worthy lives destroyed and the institutions compromised. Who in their wildest dreams would have believed Americans would, remembering the Cheney Presidency, be willing to roll the dice on the malleability of the Republican Party and its willingness to restore order and stop the corporate war on the middle class.

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Maggy's avatar

Great insight and reflection Matt. I’m also curious to know the answer to Simulation Commander’s question. I’m assuming it was a massive info dig and he probably had to deal with documents, etc... being slow walked. Luv to know what you know!

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Antiwar7's avatar

Clearly Durham's report is itself a cover-up, a limited hangout to prevent government people from being charged with the crimes they committed in launching Russiagate.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Methinks when you see the Oval Office involved, you tread carefully. At least it wasn't released on Friday, 7:00 p.m. EDT, Memorial Day weekend.

I am willing to accept the findings of this report. Which was accomplished under the radar of mass media; and protected by the fact that the whole world knew it was going on. Altho, that didn't save Epstein, did it.

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Norma Bown's avatar

I think Mueller is not all right in the head. And this was visible when he headed this "investigation." He didn't run anything. His totally sold-out subordinates ran the show. But in the end they had nothing. Still, the Dems cannot let it go. That would mean they were liars all along.

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feldspar's avatar

Read the report rather than making shit up.

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devoalan's avatar

Did you? Did you think the whole time time this was going on, that those of us with a brain kept telling you, exactly what was in that report, and yet here you are, acting retarded. Wtf!?

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Kathleen McCook's avatar

The level of capture by all the media, put together in this essay. I don't have any words just now, but Jimmy Fallon as Bruce Springsteen is one of the worst things I've ever seen.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

The media is the PR arm of The Swamp.

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MS's avatar

Just when you think they have scraped the bottom of the barrell...

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Evans W's avatar

F*ck the FBI & the US security state. They just don’t even try to cloak their corruption anymore.....it’s simply done right out in the open b/c they know there are really no consequences. We’re in deeper trouble than ever with no end in sight.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes, we're deep into the "Fuck you, that's why" stage of governance.

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Michael M's avatar

What’s really interesting and new in my mind is now Politicians no longer try to persuade they are straight up “the other guys are evil “ which is sort of new. But what’s crazier is you now have a majority of companies saying “fuck you normies we don’t even want your business “!! What ever happened to Michael Jordan’s famous quote “Republicans buy sneakers too”

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Matthison Tilden's avatar

Because large companies have effectively been nationalized. All the feds have to do is print more money for everyone in power. Inflation is great for the ruling class.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yep! Long ago Ron Paul described our foreign policy thusly:

Do what we want, we give you money.

Don't do what we want, we bomb you.

That's basically now our domestic policy, with favored companies getting cash hand-over-fist while unfavored companies are canceled.

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KHP's avatar

That used to be it, but Libya put an end to it. As someone observed at the time: "Sadaam shows what happens to you if you don't do what America says; Khaddafi shows what happens to you if you *do*."

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Stxbuck's avatar

Silver or Lead

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KHP's avatar

Sounds better in the original Spanish

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Dave's avatar

Worse, they are internationalized! Bud lite? Owned by a Belgium company. If you think what was done with the lite-trans ad, you should see what that company is doing with one of their Canadian brands; profits are paying for gender reassignment surgery!

International business subscribes to the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the WEF subscribes to the agenda of "Fuck you! We've got ours and you will do as we say or else!"

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feldspar's avatar

Hey, Dave, ever consider undergoing "species" reassignment surgery? The U.S. Department of Resources in a joint program with the both the WEF and AB InBev of Belgium is seeking a few good men for their trial "Endangered Species Surgical Reassignment Program." Beavers, badgers and wolverines are hot right now. Don't want to apply pressure here, but...

Potential promotional opportunities (pending successful surgical outcome) and a lifetime supply of Stella Artois.

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Dave's avatar

Nah! The program didn't work out too well for you. I tend to learn from the mistakes of others.

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Stxbuck's avatar

The Ds got their socialist dream-all the banks/Wall St risk has been completely underwritten by the state……

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Matt330's avatar

Taxpayer funded stock buybacks.

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Algator's avatar

It all began with the introduction of that neologism, "governance"

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devoalan's avatar

Eventually that will get them nullified.

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Brad's avatar

The FBI needs to be defunded and dismantled. The bureau wittingly allowed itself to be used by the Clinton campaign, ignoring the information that the CIA shared about the Clinton campaign's plan to create the Russiagate scandal to vilify Trump and distract the public from Hillary's private email server. Beyond corrupt.

https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/the-durham-report

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Dazed and Confused's avatar

I'd go even further. Defund the FBI and the CIA. Fire everyone at the DOJ that was even remotely involved. Pass a law that prevents any ex-employee of these agencies to work in any law enforcement capacity, up to and including dog catcher.

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Feral Finster's avatar

The FBI needed to be dismantled back in the days of J.Edgar Hoover.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Here’s what I don’t understand. The Durham Report no matter what your assessment of it, does show that that evil effing Shrew , Lady McHillary was behind this really sleazy tawdry Russian Collusion plot which can be argued that it did interfere with the 2016 election... yes, Trump won, but what would the vote have been if they had not been doing a hit job on his character? And a larger margin of victory carries weight. It’s not that I’m waving Trump Pom poms, I’m waving can we just have elections with less orchestrated fiction Pom poms. It’s all so awful. I was a child of 21 during the Watergate hearings and now knowing what I know about that, this seems so much worse. No? Anyway, how does the “I’m with HER” team not face any legal consequences? Hillary’s behavior; what she did, how she appeared publicly for years sticking to how unfair it all was.. I’m 71, I would love to actually spit in her face. What a horrid amoral individual. And I know, she s not the first or the last, but she was going to be the first female POTUS, etc etc etc and to accomplish that she was willing to be completely dishonest and now, be the furthest thing from a positive role model. I don’t believe in Heaven or Hell, but she deserves to rot in the latter. Sorry for the rant, but I am so pissed off! These “folks” have torn this country apart. Shame on them.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Finster's First Law readeth thusly: There is no such thing as law. There is only context.

The long form goes like this: laws are for the little people. Policy is for People Who Matter, because policy determines when the laws apply and to whom, if they apply at all.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I need to win the Lottery. The time, energy and emotion I’ve wasted on these slime balls….

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S Black's avatar

Jonathan Turley, an honest, intelligent attorney and law professor who follows and reports on American politics, has read the report and agrees with you.

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/05/19/the-impossible-must-be-possible-how-the-durham-whodunit-became-who-didnt-do-it/

QUOTE

"In hindsight, it would appear impossible.

A political campaign hatches a plot to create a false claim of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Making this even more implausible is that the CIA and FBI knew about the plan.

As detailed in the report, President Barack Obama and his national security team were briefed on how “a trusted foreign source” revealed “a Clinton campaign plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Vladimir Putin so as to divert attention from her own concerns relating to her use of a private email server.”

It then happened a few days later.

It was a plot that required everyone to take a hand in derailing a duly elected president and effectively shutting down his administration for three years of investigation and prosecutions.

In this conspiracy, there were dozens of key participants in the campaign, the government, and the media. Here are a few of the characters implicated in this report."

END OF QUOTE

(Continues at the link)

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feldspar's avatar

Must of missed it. Care to provide this evidence that's in the Durham report "that show[s] that that evil effing Shrew , Lady McHillary was behind this really sleazy tawdry Russian Collusion plot which can be argued that it did interfere with the 2016 election... "

Dying to see it.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Let’s not be silly. You know, I know, we all know she is driven by blind ambition as well as some pretty steep dysfunction. And anger, did I mention misplaced anger? Maybe tomorrow I will go dig up a couple citations, but for now…. HRC is pathological and so fucking brilliant, she could have long ago figured out how to orchestrate this stunt and not ever be held accountable.

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feldspar's avatar

If I had known you were her psychiatrist I wouldn't have troubled you.

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S Black's avatar

See my above reply to Mrs. McFarland.

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Rather Curmudgeonly's avatar

At least back in the Hoover days, it was politicians that feared him. Now the leadership is at the service of political interests.

If you've ever read up on the Church Commission, the day to dismantle the FBI is long passed. Consider that this is the REFORMED FBI (and domestic spying system) that was supposed to avoid these kind of imbroligios.

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feldspar's avatar

It's long past which is why it's here to stay. It collapses when everything else around it collapses. Which will happen...eventually.

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Madjack's avatar

And Seth Riches murder

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Secret Squirrel's avatar

I am sad that Durham didn’t even mention that.

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madaboutmd's avatar

I'm reading about him now and wondering if I didn't know about this because it was basically buried. Crazy!

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feldspar's avatar

You didn't know about it because it's a crackpot conspiracy theory that only crackpot conspiracy theorists know about.

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madaboutmd's avatar

Who was arrested? No one. That leaves plenty of room for lots of explanations. One day it will come out.

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feldspar's avatar

You mean: Plenty of room to manufacture conspiracy theories out of whole cloth, and if we can't scare up any whole cloth that bag of old rags in the basement will do.

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devoalan's avatar

After every theory of conspiracies has been proven true for going on 18 years, what the actual fuck do you need to see? It's no longer theoretical, most of the crazy shit has been proven fact. So one low level staffer's murder is beyond the realm of possibilities? You are soft in the head, ma'am.

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MichelleD's avatar

Agreed. The DOJ/FBI need to pay the piper. There was no predicate for opening an investigation that took 7 years to close, interfered with an election and a Presidency, plus robbed us of our hard earned bucks. Nor for slow walking the conclusion without consequences.

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jim's avatar

the FBI does worse than this to regular citizens, including seizing assets and freezing bank accounts justified by trumped up charges. Entrapping people left and right. Its a useless agency. Not 1 citizen is safer due to its existance.

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KHP's avatar

Would that it were merely *useless".

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jim's avatar

the response from this congress, incerease there budget.

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Skip Carpenter's avatar

We are Russia

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David R's avatar

Well, we're not murdering people yet. Oh, except for Epstein, I guess, and perhaps JFK. Maybe more. That's the problem with sort of exposure: When we see clearly how casually and thoroughly they deceive us in such consequential ways, and for no reason beyond maintaining and expanding their own power...well, we begin to suspect this is nothing new, and the police state has been a long time in the making. Oh, well, we murder fewer people than Putin, although at this point I fear our economy will collapse in a weird reversal of how we once watched the Soviet economy collapse. Troubling stuff.

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devoalan's avatar

They don't need to kill people like PDT when they own all the mouthpieces of the censorship media complex. And with half the population mesmerized with bread and circus, they don't need to waste the effort. We are surrounded by imbeciles.

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flipshod's avatar

Yeah. The Russian elite and the US elite are all playing the same game but just have different styles. The US can shut someone up and ruin their lives without poison or defenestration.

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feldspar's avatar

If that's the case why not start searching for a new address? Somewhere overseas with a balmy climate and pretty girls? Being surrounded by imbeciles must be stressful for a smart guy like you.

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devoalan's avatar

Ma'am, you haven't the effect you think you have. You are lower than in importance than my dog's poop. And I live on the inter coastal,with pretty women all about. And you are one of those imbeciles. Unfortunately there are so many where you come from, still watching television for your thought orders, I'll just stay on the edges out here, and watch. I'm an old guy, ma'am, so I won't have long to deal with the shithole you are trying to create.

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J Boss's avatar

I guess you missed all the young elite athletes dropping dead during games after taking a bioweapon mandated shot. And the millions killed by hospital protocols using Remdesivir and ventilators that paid up more than $100K per death. Or the fact that no treatment protocol existed to treat covid out of the hospital for 2+ years despite dozens of countries doing so for cheap. You gave been gaslit at what is happening.

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feldspar's avatar

Said the jejune, drama-queenish gaslighter. You oughta flare off some of your excess gas before commenting again. That was a doozy. At least four points of nonsense.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Hell, at this point I think it's 50/50 that Epstein is alive and well on some private island.

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Bill Owen's avatar

Epstein and Maxwell were a Mossad op. This is obvious to me.

Who cares who wins an election when you can simply blackmail the winner?

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Bill Owen's avatar

There is a reason that Israel can bomb Gaza at will and literally shoot the legs off protestors.

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feldspar's avatar

I'm not following here. Reason?

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Bill Owen's avatar

America killed four million people in MENA, just since 92. But ok.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

The irony is, as you say, we are the old USSR/ Russia

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feldspar's avatar

What's the difference between cloaked and uncloaked corruption?

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Harry Potter's avatar

Yes. It’s beyond sad. We are a third world country in the sense that we no longer have the rule of law to hold up as the standard. Remember the days Jimmy Carter would go observe elections in third world countries? We, America, were so virtuous. We were better than them all because we had fair elections and the rule of law. Both are gone as is our Republic.

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I know multiple upscale white liberals in brownstone Brooklyn who first showed off their RBG swag; then this was pushed aside for the Mueller swag and songs and hagiography; then Mueller was replaced by St. Fauci, whose masks and T-shirts must by now have been passed down to their servants. And all these people swear that they're free-thinking atheists!! LOL

November 2016 may be to our century what August 1914 was to the previous one. This marks the date when our supposed elite leadership class, our most credentialed and degreed intellectual and cultural leaders etc, all lost their minds in a mass mania that eroded their ability to think clearly, that transformed them all into raging eliminationist zealots, that has inflicted them with a possibly terminal case of unhinged fanatacism, and that has turned them into all the things they once claimed to hate.

American liberals in about 50 years have gone from "Live and let live" to "Denounce or be denounced!"

It's been 7 years now and still no signs of any sanity, comity or return to normalcy. Our postliberal, postrational, post-democratic future has arrived.

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Hollis Brown's avatar

haha, It's The Guns Of August for the 21st Century.

"in Nov 2016, we didn't get the president we needed, but we got the one we deserved.

two decades of anti-culture and reality TV stars collided with a populist revolt. manifesting in one Donald J. Trump.

the elite meltdown was swift and quick. they projected all of their fears and hatreds onto a beaten, forgotten population. the surveillance state was turned inward and traitors and philistines were found in every corner.

the new century had finally turned the corner of history..."

:Barbara Tuchmans great great granddaughters history entry 2089

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

and we dont even get those cool Kaiser mustaches! just an endless march of folly...

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Hollis Brown's avatar

it's exhausting living through history...

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Make Orwell Fiction Again's avatar

I think history will prove you right that Nov 2016 was an inflection point for this country. But I don't think the members of the elite class have all been transformed "into raging eliminationist zealots." Certainly many have, but many more are just quiet followers, smugly confident that they are on "the right side of history," morally superior to the rest of us. They don't seriously engage with the issues discussed here on Racket News and similar sites, they simply follow the hot air currents flowing within their limited information bubbles -- which is how we get the sequential hagiography you concisely summarize in your first paragraph. They do indeed Denounce to avoid being Denounced. But they are also the ones we must keep hammering at by all angles possible. I agree with Matt that the Durham report won't impact them one iota, but housing 100'000s of asylum-claiming immigrants in their communities just might crack the door. There comes a point where reality can no longer be denied; those incapable of grasping reality in the abstract sense will have to confront it in the physical sense.

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MCMitchell's avatar

I had the same thought about abstract v. physical last weekend seeing the South Side Chicago community speaking out about the housing of migrants in an abandoned school...speaking of physical, you could say the same about the Covid jabs. I know some dire hard, well-to-do libs who are now questioning them after getting all the boosters and spending most of the winter sick. Their silence on the subject now is deafening.

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madaboutmd's avatar

And parents in NYC protesting against illegal immigrants being housed in their children's schools.

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Toni Steed's avatar

Have a close friend (microbiologist) with 4 jabs; preexisting heart conditions; terrified cuz she is having serious health issues past few months. I couldn’t even get thru to my sister now withering away in nursing home post Moderna booster. Pink Floyd song good choice for end of article. Take care of yourself first then help those who can be reached.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

"But I don't think the members of the elite class have all been transformed "into raging eliminationist zealots."

i def agree here, of course not ALL (and of course I was being a touch overheated), but if the sheep up front are racing over a cliff, whether the back or middle sheep know exactly what's going on or not, they're still all headed to the same place.

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feldspar's avatar

Staying busy preparing yourself for the eventualities, one hopes?

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Winston Wins's avatar

It seems to me that WOKE is being engineered as the new religion. What religion meant to the powerful was always a way to control the masses. To silence them. Make certain inconvenient questions taboo , push it into the head of children so they spend their life racked with guilt if these questions even dare come to the forefront of their brain. The Abrahamic Religions have been bleeding parishioners for decades. WOKE CULTural fanaticism is meant to be a replacement.

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feldspar's avatar

WOKE = NOT AN ASSHOLE. That's all it means, from what I can tell.

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TWC's avatar

I'm of the impression the Nation as we know it is done. It will continue, ofc, as a vastly different population with a much weaker role in geopolitics. Worse than that, millions of ppl dont give 2 shits. Most of those are actually so dimwitted and apathetic they think people like Taibbi, Greenwald, Mate, Blumenthal, Gabbard, Fang, Shellenberger, Zweig, Dore, et al are all 'right wing grifters' and the like. They have zero sense of self reflection, are self deluded to the extent they not only cant/wont see their own naivete, but actually see themselves as morally/ethically/politically superior, and will continue to buy into the deception right in front of them without a fucking clue, man. WTF happened? Ffs, the Left has left. Where is Chomsky? N Robinson? B Woodward? Bernie? ALL SILENT. Severely depressing....

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Brad's avatar

Not only are there millions of people who don't give a shit, there are millions who've already convinced themselves that the Durham report "exonerates" Clinton and the FBI.

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1658199529592868864?s=20

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TWC's avatar

Ffs. Either the idiots like that are insane...or I am. Its like they are Nurse Ratchet personified...

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devoalan's avatar

She's dim alright. This is one of the catastrophes of public education, right here. But she thinks she's so damn smart.

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feldspar's avatar

I vote for the later.

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TWC's avatar

You seem dim

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memento mori's avatar

I encourage everyone to take a look at the link provided by Brad above. It strongly supports Matt's conclusion.

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Mike Zillion's avatar

I refuse to read anything that woman writes.

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feldspar's avatar

They don't have to convince themselves---the Durham report did the job for them. You must have a lot of overhead down there at "Euphoric Recall." Takes a lot of canvassing to interview "millions." And all that footwork delivered little more than a collective "We don't give a shit." Disappointing, I'm sure, from a news gathering perspective.

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Brad's avatar

It's very obvious you did not read the report. I know you get off to the idea of being the comments section witty skeptic, but in reality you just come off as impressively stupid. Get a hobby. Better yet, go open a book. Educate yourself. You need it.

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devoalan's avatar

Huzzah!

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

Everyone lives with the same calculus in their heads: the age of Social Media is the age of the instant lynch mob appearing on your (virtual) doorstep, and 1) any and every public figure knows that one wrong word transgressing the sacred doctrine du jour means that they could wake up the next morning and be hated, denounced, banished, losing every friend and the career they've devoted their lives to; and 2) this banishment could extend to family and children, wrecking their lives and futures too. meaning simply that displaying anything but total obedience to the Social Justice Resistance is too risky for most people, they have made the price for heresy too steep for most people to pay.

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TWC's avatar

This sounds familiar...have we heard this song before?

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DaveL's avatar

Vasily Grossman wrote about this in Life and Fate. Soviets kept that book under wraps until the ‘80s, if I remember correctly.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

u mean do i repeat and rephrase the same 5 comments on 20 different substacks? yes, of course!

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TWC's avatar

Lol. I meant the Nazis, Soviets, Khmer Rouge, Uncle Ho, Pinochet, Che, et al

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

yup!

the uniforms and pretexts change but the ape remains the same...

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Bernie is busy cashing checks and looking for his ballsack. The man has no courage. He was just another con man. Big talk, but easily bought because he has weak convictions when it comes time to act.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

His ballsack... is probably between his knees.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Or his wife's purse.

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publius_x's avatar

Or tucked back in a Target one-piece bathing suit...

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Jala's avatar

AND he was threatened, ridiculed by all of the talking heads, shenanigans in the primaries, he was” heartfelt” also, as in had a MI (heart attack.) All this said, not a good idea for any 78 year old or older to be potus.

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Brian Katz's avatar

Fish don’t understand water.

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trembo slice's avatar

My group chat implies many mid-thirties men are more preoccupied with Her Majesty Queen James and the NBA Finals than the jump to ludicrous-speed in dismantling The Republic.

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devoalan's avatar

Bread and circus. It's why I hate professional sports. I've seen it as a drug for sixty years. I was little when I was amazed at my friends wasting brain power on remember every fucking statistic of every player in every league of multiple sports. It's like " what the fuck do you do with the rest of your brain"?

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jbt1980's avatar

As the bread is getting scarcer, expect more and more circus...

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devoalan's avatar

Appears evident doesn't it?

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trembo slice's avatar

lol, I literally texted them “You boys sure do love bread and circuses” the other day in the midst of one of their big discussions about who’d win / get into the finals.

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feldspar's avatar

More spoils for you and me.

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Deidre K's avatar

Pod people they are scary stupid

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Pbr's avatar

And they vote!

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Diamond Boy's avatar

TWC, great post but Chomsky deserves a pass, over 90 and really a pioneer, a great man.

Curious about his friendship with Epstein, the pimp, whore-meister: get some!

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Chomsky, a great man?

Chomsky "round up the unvaccinated and put them in camps."

Yeah, fuck that guy.

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devoalan's avatar

And a rabid communist to boot. Not sure why the love affair.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Also, Chomsky and Epstein sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

So again, fuck that guy.

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TWC's avatar

Love the guy. An intellectual hero. All the more disappointing

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Randy intellectual

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Thank you for being the only substack purple check that does real journalism. In contrast, Rather, Reich, Richardson et al are regurgitating regime talking points to downplay this damning report. This soft coup is just another step in the deep state color revolution playbook, which was tested abroad and deployed domestically for the first time against trump: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-execute-a-color-revolution?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

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Indecisive decider's avatar

How to subvert subversion. I like it.

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J Boss's avatar

He's not doing journalism here. This was a coup, not a travesty. Matt has completely missed the entire story.

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devoalan's avatar

Expound, please.

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Hegesias Cyrene's avatar

Now Taibbi is getting serious. Keep fighting. Best $5/month ever.

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Sherry's avatar

The fact that we don't seem to have a law against ginning up totally spurious "opposition research," laundering it through the FBI, and then shooting it out to the supine media so they can generate an epic Washington, DC media scrum that is used to justify appointing a special prosecutor is rather disturbing to me.

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Dazed and Confused's avatar

I'd bet money there are laws on the books that address some if not most of this conduct. The problem isn't the law. The problem is the people who would prosecute are all part of the corrupt activity. We are a banana republic.

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

There are. Not to mention lawyers used to have to accept a Code of Ethics when admitted to practice.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Malefactors are not punished in America

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Madjack's avatar

Unless they are disorderly tourists or protect other citizens from the violently mentally ill

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Mike Eyre's avatar

I'm not sure why Trump couldn't sue the entire world press corps for defamation. Maybe he will in 2025.

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Paul R's avatar

RICO?

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devoalan's avatar

We do. It's called treason. They should all be eliminated from the ranks if the breathing.

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Diana (Somewhere in Maryland)'s avatar

So... it appears that the FBI/intel communities fed “inside info” to their trusted outlets (NYT, Wapo, etc)... which then published the completely unsubstantiated stories... then the FBI turned around and used the published stories as probable cause? Wow.

I bet they’ve been doing these maneuvers for decades. Trump derangement made them downright sloppy.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

That's what happened with Alfa

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/end-the-federal-bureau-of-investigation

And THAT came on the heels of extensive ‘cooperation’ between the Obama administration and the FBI ahead of the 2016 election. Further investigation has also uncovered a link between the FBI, Hillary Clinton, and the infamous Alfa Bank allegations.

In a bombshell filing earlier this week, Durham claimed Sussmann, Joffe and the campaign took part in a “joint venture” to gather and spread dirt about Clinton’s opponent with the assistance of Fusion GPS, which was hired by Perkins Coie and subsequently hired former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to produce his now-infamous dossier of now-debunked allegations about Trump’s links to the Russian government.

At no point did the FBI ask where the information came from, because they didn’t care. The allegation was enough to get the wheels turning, and THAT was enough for the Clinton campaign to ‘leak’ to the press that the FBI was investigating.

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Laura's avatar

They're not sloppy, they just know that nothing will happen when it is exposed. We had a soft coup, Trump was right about the deep state and we all know we underestimated the pure evil of these people.

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Sherry's avatar

I'm sure it came right out of the J. Edgar Hoover Manual for dealing with your political enemies.

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taraonlido's avatar

NYT was rewarded with a Pulitzer.

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devoalan's avatar

That's exactly how it went. We knew that from the first week. Seems a tad illegal, bordering on treason if you ask me.

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John Kirsch's avatar

Read "The Origins of Totalitarianism." Arendt shows how totalitarianism gains and holds power by attacking the very idea of truth.

That tactic depends on support from large numbers of isolated individuals who willingly believe lies in order to relieve their isolation.

I'm afraid that's where we are now.

"Shine, perishing republic." Robinson Jeffers saw all this a century ago.

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Steve's avatar

When was Arendt book written? I am lazy right now and curious about the book. Will look up later.

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Michael M's avatar

It’s not too late. The issue isn’t timing, the issue is the cartel of Intelligence Agency/ Deep State hand in hand with Politicians , Corporate & Social Media have decided they will never admit fault , always push the narrative and call everything else misinformation and conspiracy theories.

We are told that white supremacy is the greatest threat even if the government needs to manufacture it. That climate change is another massive threat to America but having a debt that’s larger than our GDP isn’t.

It’s too late cause the game is over and we lost.

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Sherry's avatar

What if half the country stopped paying their taxes? That might get their attention.

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Michael M's avatar

Have you seen what they’ve done to the J6ers? How bout the marine in NYC. BTW last time I checked they get your employer to take your taxes out before they even pay you.

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Bill Clinton is a Pedophile's avatar

It's over, the US is a shell and we're just tools of the corporate state.. I for one say FUCK YOU

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Sherry's avatar

They can't put 150 million people in jail.

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Michael M's avatar

They can’t figure out how to secure the southern border but I have no doubt they’d figure out how to build temporary encampments with the assistance of the military to house anyone who wants to try to stop paying taxes.

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Dazed and Confused's avatar

And we have a winner!

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Try getting 150 million Americans to do anything in unison. We tried very hard to get 18 million people facing foreclosure in 2008 to stay in their homes and fight. The majority of Americans are so bloody clueless. Look how many got jabbed!?!

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Michael M's avatar

I think the best we are capable of at this point is boycotting a shitty beer which was such garbage to begin with it didn’t take much to get many of us to stop drinking it

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David R's avatar

I got jabbed 'cause I was afraid of my mother, not because I was afraid of the gubmint. But I take your point.

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EndOfTheRoad's avatar

That's the exact problem. Government doesn't have to persecute every last individual, because their brownshirts will do it for them. Repeat the propaganda or you'll be excommunicated by your family and friends.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

Half the country already pays no Federal tax.... or 47% according to Mittens

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devoalan's avatar

More than that now.

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Steve's avatar

In years past, I was slow paying taxes…they just pull it straight out of your account after a certain amount of time. They will send snail mail warnings, but once the timeline is over, if there is money in bank accounts, it is gone….next they will straight up take part of your next paycheck or all if necessary. Not sure, but they can probably pull it straight out of your retirement if they choose to do so.

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NothingButNet's avatar

This report documents a treasonous and traitorous attempt by senior members of the intelligence community to overthrow an existing, duly elected US administration. Hard to believe Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et al are not in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.

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devoalan's avatar

I'm amazed with all of us crazy knuckle dragging, Bible thumpin, gun totin neanderthals in the country,they've been allowed to live! I mean isn't that where all the crime comes from, white supremacist neo Nazi glue sniffers?

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Bestoink's avatar

And yet the media is laughing and ridiculing Durham. Thanks for voicing frustration I’m feeling… so well.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Just like when the disappointing Mueller Report came out, there were widespread reports that he was old and losing it. Ad hominem usually works.

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Scott's avatar

It's interesting it drops 7 months after the mid terms

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Right? This is the perfect time to have the least impact in any election. It will be old news by 2024, and by then it will be RAPIST TRUMP TOTALLY RAPED ME stories.

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Scott's avatar

Exactly, it lands harmlessly in the abyss

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Scuba Cat's avatar

#BelieveDemocratWomen

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Jonathan's avatar

Including the ones with penises.* ESPECIALLY the ones with penises.

Except of course when they rape non-penised women. That particular circumstance calls for more nuance.

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Lisa's avatar

What a sad time we live in.

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Last One's avatar

At least the Durham report got published. I may be grasping at straws, but it gives me hope.

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Corinna B's avatar

beyond sad. i don't think i ever read a more depressing thread.

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rick_lind's avatar

The noose is tightening, we've got him now.

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