You know how I know it isn’t genocide? Because it has lasted “near on a hundred years” and there are more Palestinians now than ever. They are born and raised with the entire goal of hurting Israel, and many die to hurt Israel and are celebrated by their families for doing so.
You know how I know it isn’t genocide? Because it has lasted “near on a hundred years” and there are more Palestinians now than ever. They are born and raised with the entire goal of hurting Israel, and many die to hurt Israel and are celebrated by their families for doing so.
I see. Can we have your list of authors and historians who've informed your views? I assume you've looked at the work of Israelis like Milo Peled and Ilan Pappe, as well as Chris Hedges (who speaks Arabic and lived in the Middle East as a journalist), Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate, and too many others to list? How do you square your views with theirs?
Tell me about the population of Gaza and the changes since 2005... you know since Hamas took over, err, was voted in, killed their political rivals in Fatah (and anyone else they deemed undesirable like gay people) and stolen the money given by the dupes internationally for torture tunnels. Yes, they are so misunderstood innocents those Hamasniks.
Do you have an actual point? Naming people that disagree with me isn’t even an argument, and it took you at most a few minutes to do but would take probably at least hours to try to counter in detail. What specifically do you even disagree with?
You're unfamiliar with the definition of "genocide." No one even has to die for the definition to be met. If you're going to say that Palestinians are "born and raised with the entire goal of hurting Israel," you should be able to support it. That it is Israelis who are raised to despise and want to hurt and/or kill Palestinians was brought home to me by Max Blumenthal's book "Goliath," which he wrote after spending months in Israel. He documents the indoctrination--reminiscent of how the Nazis talked about Jews--that Israelis undergo from a very young age against Palestinians, as does Nurit Peled, the daughter of an IDF general during the 1967 war. As for the supposed Palestinian hatred for Jews, I've listened to many hours of interviews with Palestinians, quite a few of whom express gratitude for American and European Jews who call for an end to the genocide. That said, think about this: some Jews have regularly come to Gaza, ever since you were born, to "mow the lawn." Some of them have tanks with the Star of David on them. How would you feel about Jews under those circumstances? I understand how important it is for defenders of Israel to deny Palestinian suffering and magnify Jewish suffering, which has indeed been considerable throughout history, but it was not Palestinians who committed the Jewish holocaust. It was Europeans, and they're the ones who should pay for that crime instead supporting Israelis in taking the land and lives of Palestinians.
Er, there are many definitions of some of which are very self-serving. The Britannica, however, defines it as follows, "Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. Learn about the history, legal aspects, and criticisms of this crime against humanity from Britannica's experts." I would say destruction contemplates people dying. The "cide" is the giveaway as in homicide, patricide, matricide, infanticide, regicide, etc.
I'll go with the Genocide Convention, crafted in response to the Nazi holocaust against the Jews (and others):
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG), or the Genocide Convention, is an international treaty that criminalizes genocide and obligates state parties to pursue the enforcement of its prohibition. It was the first legal instrument to codify genocide as a crime and the first human rights treaty unanimously adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948, during the third session of the United Nations General Assembly.[1] The Convention entered into force on 12 January 1951 and has 153 state parties as of February 2025.[2]
The Convention defines genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group." These five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[6] The convention further criminalizes "complicity, attempt, or incitement of its commission." Member states are prohibited from engaging in genocide and obligated to pursue the enforcement of this prohibition. All perpetrators are to be tried regardless of whether they are private individuals, public officials, or political leaders with sovereign immunity.
As previously stated, there are more Palestinians now than there have ever been. The category is in no danger of ceasing to exist, which only allows genocide to be happening if people are trying to destroy them but failing, hence the question.
You know how I know it isn’t genocide? Because it has lasted “near on a hundred years” and there are more Palestinians now than ever. They are born and raised with the entire goal of hurting Israel, and many die to hurt Israel and are celebrated by their families for doing so.
I see. Can we have your list of authors and historians who've informed your views? I assume you've looked at the work of Israelis like Milo Peled and Ilan Pappe, as well as Chris Hedges (who speaks Arabic and lived in the Middle East as a journalist), Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate, and too many others to list? How do you square your views with theirs?
Tell me about the population of Gaza and the changes since 2005... you know since Hamas took over, err, was voted in, killed their political rivals in Fatah (and anyone else they deemed undesirable like gay people) and stolen the money given by the dupes internationally for torture tunnels. Yes, they are so misunderstood innocents those Hamasniks.
Do you have an actual point? Naming people that disagree with me isn’t even an argument, and it took you at most a few minutes to do but would take probably at least hours to try to counter in detail. What specifically do you even disagree with?
You're unfamiliar with the definition of "genocide." No one even has to die for the definition to be met. If you're going to say that Palestinians are "born and raised with the entire goal of hurting Israel," you should be able to support it. That it is Israelis who are raised to despise and want to hurt and/or kill Palestinians was brought home to me by Max Blumenthal's book "Goliath," which he wrote after spending months in Israel. He documents the indoctrination--reminiscent of how the Nazis talked about Jews--that Israelis undergo from a very young age against Palestinians, as does Nurit Peled, the daughter of an IDF general during the 1967 war. As for the supposed Palestinian hatred for Jews, I've listened to many hours of interviews with Palestinians, quite a few of whom express gratitude for American and European Jews who call for an end to the genocide. That said, think about this: some Jews have regularly come to Gaza, ever since you were born, to "mow the lawn." Some of them have tanks with the Star of David on them. How would you feel about Jews under those circumstances? I understand how important it is for defenders of Israel to deny Palestinian suffering and magnify Jewish suffering, which has indeed been considerable throughout history, but it was not Palestinians who committed the Jewish holocaust. It was Europeans, and they're the ones who should pay for that crime instead supporting Israelis in taking the land and lives of Palestinians.
Er, there are many definitions of some of which are very self-serving. The Britannica, however, defines it as follows, "Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. Learn about the history, legal aspects, and criticisms of this crime against humanity from Britannica's experts." I would say destruction contemplates people dying. The "cide" is the giveaway as in homicide, patricide, matricide, infanticide, regicide, etc.
I'll go with the Genocide Convention, crafted in response to the Nazi holocaust against the Jews (and others):
The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG), or the Genocide Convention, is an international treaty that criminalizes genocide and obligates state parties to pursue the enforcement of its prohibition. It was the first legal instrument to codify genocide as a crime and the first human rights treaty unanimously adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948, during the third session of the United Nations General Assembly.[1] The Convention entered into force on 12 January 1951 and has 153 state parties as of February 2025.[2]
The Convention defines genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group." These five acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[6] The convention further criminalizes "complicity, attempt, or incitement of its commission." Member states are prohibited from engaging in genocide and obligated to pursue the enforcement of this prohibition. All perpetrators are to be tried regardless of whether they are private individuals, public officials, or political leaders with sovereign immunity.
So you are claiming they intend to destroy Palestinians but are just really bad at it?
So you are claiming they haven't destroyed Palestinians?
As previously stated, there are more Palestinians now than there have ever been. The category is in no danger of ceasing to exist, which only allows genocide to be happening if people are trying to destroy them but failing, hence the question.
I don't think the word genocide means what you think it means.
It was defined further up the thread; feel free to read.
I didn't ask you to define it; I said you don't seem to know what it means.
Duly noted.
...combining the Greek word "genos" (meaning "race" or "tribe") with the Latin suffix "-cide" (meaning "killing")
You beat me to it.