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As just one example, FISA court doesn't require 'probable cause' as the 4th *does require, thus anyone can be arrested and jailed indefinitely for walking into a public government building, during regular business hours, whenever the feds feel like it. That's relatively new in US history.

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I'm aware of the FISA court and serious abuses including the illegal monitoring of millions of Americans and the fraudulent affidavit submitted by the FBI to spy on Carter Page, and by extension the Trump campaign. Exposed by the Durham prosecution. But not what you're describing. Do you have a source for that?

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Warrantless J6 arrests come to mind.

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publius's avatar

Seeing illegal (warrantless) surveillance via FISA. That was totally outside American jurisprudence.

I think Taibi may have misspoken.

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Perhaps a mis-speak on Matt part. Either way, FISA (which is indeed a part of American jurisprudence - hidden from the public, yes, but still part of the Judical branch of government) is perhaps only the most glaring part of warrantless surveillance and arrests. If that can be legally hidden from everyone, one can reasonably suspect there's many, many more shenanigans attached to that same thread that you and I aren't supposed to pull, otherwise we may find ourselves being warrantlessly arrested and imprisioned indefinately or just plain 'disappeared'.

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