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SimulationCommander's avatar

Anybody actually following the story knew everything that Durham laid out already. It's not about "being fooled" -- it's about already knowing the evidence that exists.

There's no excuse for ignorance, ESPECIALLY in a media market as toxic as ours was in 2016-2020.

If you disagree, what in the report do you think is new?

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Susan Schmidt's avatar

Not much new to you or me maybe. Some bits. But the value of the report is that it should set a pretty much irrefutable cannon of facts and evidence that the media will consult. Some media, possibly...

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Literally Mussolini's avatar

Or future historians.

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Janine's avatar

Thank you Susan Schmidt for your reporting here

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Bill Owen's avatar

Most people do not have the time, the energy or the tools to sort through all the lies. I see this every day talking to my neighbours, people on the bus, and the like. They spend about 20 minutes a day, on a good day listening to, and then, astonishingly at this point, still believing everything that their teevees tell them.

I wish it were otherwise.

The internet, which should have been the greatest fact checker in history, is now used almost exclusively for literal mind control.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

"I don't have time" is simply fluffy-speak for "This is not a priority to me."

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Bill Owen's avatar

This is truth.

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flipshod's avatar

There is an excuse for ignorance. Most people don't have the time, interest, or inclination to root through all of this stuff.

So they work under the vague assumption that the "truth" is something they will never know but is loosely reflected in the media.

They may watch a couple debates and *might* vote. And if they do vote it will be based on where/how they live and who their parents voted for.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I object to "everybody" and "anybody" as obviously untrue.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Do you think any of this came as a surprise to Matt? I'm just a part-time hack and I knew everything already. How could anybody following this story -- not just the media spin -- NOT know this information?

"Following the story" means "knowing what's happening", and we knew all this was happening long ago.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I dare say that you, I, and Matt are outliers. My earlier life was sheltered in university towns. Only during this past decade have I gotten an appreciation of how relatively obtuse, how unperspicacious most people are. George Orwell had it right, that most don't get beyond chanting "four legs good, two legs bad." Even very smart people will do this. It's too bad, but that's the way it is. Many to most people are conformists and won't deviate no matter what. We don't have to like it, but this is why propaganda is so effective.

I look at the Russia blew up its own pipeline story and cannot understand how anyone could be fooled by that. But many are.

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Kathleen McCook's avatar

Mick Wallace of Ireland has spoken about this at the EU.

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rtj's avatar

Earlier i read the NYT piece on the Durham report. And a few of the comments - the koolaid is sloshing around in there as much as it ever does, it seems that people were buying hteir spin.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I would be amazed if that were not so. Even if the comments were somehow to support the report, the NYT would bury them to be "on the right side of history." Somehow the NYT is always on the right side. Funny how that works.

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Susan Schmidt's avatar

This is why the Durham report is important. It's real facts.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

If a tree drops where no one can hear it, does it make a sound? That is, if the media is silent and voters never hear about it...

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Bill Owen's avatar

The CIA killed Kennedy. Both of them.

Fact.

"So what?"

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

Especially if the internet minders send those searching for the truth into an abyss of tangled vines. Highly recommended - Read some of Sharyl Attkissons articles. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare. Corruption, - it has been established that the Biden team planted super secret software on her computer which allowed them to not only. access the computer but to control it.

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Bill Owen's avatar

The CIA killed Kennedy. Both of them.

Fact.

"So what?"

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Blimbax's avatar

One can say the same about Gerth's article in the Columbia Journalism Review.

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Bill Owen's avatar

"Who??"

"What??"

That's the genius of free speech in America, anyone can read The Truth, but few do.

The Lies OTOH are everywhere and repeated endlessly.

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

But. the path to the truth is ruthlessly erased by the internet moguls. Try to find the Hunter Biden laptop materials. The major search engines pretend it does not exist

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Bill Owen's avatar

Google is CIA

Literally.

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Rob Roy's avatar

"OTOH"?

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Bill Owen's avatar

I don't know what your question is.

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rtj's avatar

I'm a lot lowlier than you are, and i knew it right away. The first clue for me was Donna Brazile's book that kept banging on about the Russians. Next clue i remember was Hillary throwing a big bash for all her big donors to make excuses and banged on about Comey and the Russians. I'll give you that i had a bias of absoluteluy loathing her, but all i could think is like, oh this is how they're going to spin this loss then.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

They are STILL hammering on Russiagate. The George W. Bush "never admit you were wrong" style dominates these days. I think H will take it with her to the grave.

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Rob Roy's avatar

...and millions watched the odious Rachael Maddow spew the lies for Hilary and one of the worst secs of state ever, Madeleine Albright did the same. What made these women such liars?

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Comes with the territory. You must do it to succeed in politics. Richard Nixon said that Donald Rumsfeld had great potential as President but wasn't a good enough liar to make it.

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

What's happened is that the world of Orwell's 1984 has been transformed by the presence of electronic media so that no longer do you need a vast army of bureaucrats sifting through books , mail , speeches, etc. It is all electronic AND you have willing gatekeepers of the information highway controlling the flow of traffic and exterminating those whom they deem to be not accepting of their need to control.

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