It's funny that NYT wants to pretend we're talking about any of the people featured in this video when we're talking about getting rid of unelected bureaucrats.
I really hate it when people say things like that. Most government workers I have known (and that's a lot) are decent, hard working people doing their best to meet the demands of public service. It's the political class at the top that has corrupted the system and they are a small percentage of the 2 million people working for our government.
Let's call it 50-50. Half of government employees are friendly and productive, half are worthless. It's the same ratio in the private sector--think of any job you ever had. It's human nature.
Obviously the government needs people to do work. The normal government employee who processes visa applications, or handle Medicare issues don't need to go. It's the ones who are in appointed, senior positions that end up staying there forever. And when those deep state people happen to be in FBI, DOJ, ATF, DEA, CIA, Pentagon, Homeland Security, etc., they also inhabit the Security State.
Nah. I worked at a public library. I think the ratio of slackers to actual hard workers is much higher in government work. It's too hard to fire people.
The library is not the deep state lmao. But to your point, there are sooooo many bums at every job IтАЩve worked and it seems like they are catered to.
Jordan, I was not saying that public libraries were part of the Deep State -- although the thought is intriguing. . . Trust me, we'd have nothing to worry about if that were the case (one of our administrators compared managing library staffers to herding cats). I just think there are a lot of slackers in any government job, really.
Oh yeah! There are an extreme amount of slackers at every job I've been in, and none of them were important, but I imagine the same type of people are federal workers and their actually are important, mostly, I imagine the same bums that I work with, doing an important job and it's terrifying. Not to mention that for some reason, it seems like those bums get promoted faster than those who actually care what they are doing and trying to make things better no matter what it is they are doing, god if it continues like this further up the line we are in trouble, and I believe it does. Sorry, I didn't mean to come at you like that, if I'd read what you said more carefully I wouldn't have said that. I'm just shooting at the hip.
And itтАЩs mostly the cell phone ones lol. IтАЩm a cell phone one, but I donтАЩt look at my phone at work, I wear one ear bud and listen to podcasts and audiobooks.
So did I for 14 years. We had our share of slackers but it was the younger cell phone addicts who were actually idiots and untrustworthy. Almost all. I questioned their ability to know the alphabet in order. DonтАЩt they teach that little ditty in school anymore? . Forget the Dewey system. Useless.
Even on the bottom end of the totem pole, government (local, state, federal) is a haven for people who wouldn't survive anywhere else. The stereotype of the officious, lazy bureaucrat has its basis in reality.
But having said that, yes, I've come across plenty of friendly and productive government employees.
I enjoyed this discussion. Soon after I was hired at a university and went across the street to the Post Office to get a PO box, the lady said to me, "I can tell you're a business man and not like those lazy university people." I didn't let on that I was university, but I later learned that there were hard workers and total frauds. It's a 90/10 deal. What's weirdest is that the main parasites are faculty members taking jobs as top administrators, without any training as administrators!
"No, sweet cheeks, the people in government are teaching us to expect the worst..."
You don't say some people, you say "the people". A noun preceded by the definite article "the" implies the entirety of the object; e.g., the table, the apple, etc..
As I said, it was your interpretation. And if you'll notice, the examples of objects you use are singular nouns. "People" is a plural noun. So it could mean "all"; it could mean "some." You're reading it is "all."
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are one of "the people in government" that more disparaging comments might be applied to and that I've hit a personal sore spot.
Yes, it is. It's also an entrenched bureaucracy that runs the country in ways that often go against the wishes and best interests of the population at large.
Back when I was working Quality Control for the State Welfare department, my job was to spot fraud and waste. When I found it, my superiors then spent the rest of the week sweeping it under the rug because the amount of money the state received from the feds was directly linked to the amount of waste & fraud in the system. I was drawing a chalk line to the problem and a couple of higher ups were right behind me, erasing the line.
The "bad guys" in government aren't really evil doers, they're driven by a profit angle and quite benign, which is where that whole Banality of Evil comes from. Perverse incentives introduced by the Feds to keep all your problems under wraps, lest your state suffer some shortfall of riches.
Socializing any part of a capitalist system is rife with possibility for "perverse incentives" to lead to waste and fraud. It doesn't mean that I think we don't need "common services." The exact opposite, actually. It's just that, as your example illustrates, we need to go in with eyes wide open and have a way for people like you to report to an independent body so these issues don't get swept under the rug. And thank you for your comment. No, I don't think these people are evil. They're just not morally strong enough to "resist temptations."
I love this line in the NYT's video: "Trump's teaching us to expect the worst from people in government."
No, sweet cheeks, the people in government are teaching us to expect the worst from the people in government. They need no help from Trump.
Trump only helped them reveal themselves and the lows to which they will stoop.
One of the greatest things about Trump is how he has forced the Deep State to reveal itself.
It's funny that NYT wants to pretend we're talking about any of the people featured in this video when we're talking about getting rid of unelected bureaucrats.
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I really hate it when people say things like that. Most government workers I have known (and that's a lot) are decent, hard working people doing their best to meet the demands of public service. It's the political class at the top that has corrupted the system and they are a small percentage of the 2 million people working for our government.
So don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Depends on which government workers we're talking about. It's been a mixed bag from my experience. Some are great. A lot are useless.
Let's call it 50-50. Half of government employees are friendly and productive, half are worthless. It's the same ratio in the private sector--think of any job you ever had. It's human nature.
Obviously the government needs people to do work. The normal government employee who processes visa applications, or handle Medicare issues don't need to go. It's the ones who are in appointed, senior positions that end up staying there forever. And when those deep state people happen to be in FBI, DOJ, ATF, DEA, CIA, Pentagon, Homeland Security, etc., they also inhabit the Security State.
Nah. I worked at a public library. I think the ratio of slackers to actual hard workers is much higher in government work. It's too hard to fire people.
The library is not the deep state lmao. But to your point, there are sooooo many bums at every job IтАЩve worked and it seems like they are catered to.
Jordan, I was not saying that public libraries were part of the Deep State -- although the thought is intriguing. . . Trust me, we'd have nothing to worry about if that were the case (one of our administrators compared managing library staffers to herding cats). I just think there are a lot of slackers in any government job, really.
Oh yeah! There are an extreme amount of slackers at every job I've been in, and none of them were important, but I imagine the same type of people are federal workers and their actually are important, mostly, I imagine the same bums that I work with, doing an important job and it's terrifying. Not to mention that for some reason, it seems like those bums get promoted faster than those who actually care what they are doing and trying to make things better no matter what it is they are doing, god if it continues like this further up the line we are in trouble, and I believe it does. Sorry, I didn't mean to come at you like that, if I'd read what you said more carefully I wouldn't have said that. I'm just shooting at the hip.
Dude! I'm just messing with you!
It is annoying when incompetent boobs just keep moving right on up the ladder.
Yea, true that. My transgressions run DEEP on that, lol.
And itтАЩs mostly the cell phone ones lol. IтАЩm a cell phone one, but I donтАЩt look at my phone at work, I wear one ear bud and listen to podcasts and audiobooks.
So did I for 14 years. We had our share of slackers but it was the younger cell phone addicts who were actually idiots and untrustworthy. Almost all. I questioned their ability to know the alphabet in order. DonтАЩt they teach that little ditty in school anymore? . Forget the Dewey system. Useless.
Even on the bottom end of the totem pole, government (local, state, federal) is a haven for people who wouldn't survive anywhere else. The stereotype of the officious, lazy bureaucrat has its basis in reality.
But having said that, yes, I've come across plenty of friendly and productive government employees.
I enjoyed this discussion. Soon after I was hired at a university and went across the street to the Post Office to get a PO box, the lady said to me, "I can tell you're a business man and not like those lazy university people." I didn't let on that I was university, but I later learned that there were hard workers and total frauds. It's a 90/10 deal. What's weirdest is that the main parasites are faculty members taking jobs as top administrators, without any training as administrators!
Yup. Gotta be some at the bottom of their classes in every occupation. Maybe more in customer service?
Like the world.
Then please don't condemn all of them.
Where did I condemn all of them? That's your reading.
"No, sweet cheeks, the people in government are teaching us to expect the worst..."
You don't say some people, you say "the people". A noun preceded by the definite article "the" implies the entirety of the object; e.g., the table, the apple, etc..
As I said, it was your interpretation. And if you'll notice, the examples of objects you use are singular nouns. "People" is a plural noun. So it could mean "all"; it could mean "some." You're reading it is "all."
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are one of "the people in government" that more disparaging comments might be applied to and that I've hit a personal sore spot.
This is crazy! The deep state is people doing drone strikes, and overthrowing governments to continue perpetual war, not librarians, Jesus!
Yes, it is. It's also an entrenched bureaucracy that runs the country in ways that often go against the wishes and best interests of the population at large.
Okay, I agree with that. It's definitely not people stopping asteroids or saving kids from sweatshops or getting lead out of water though.
That was the point of mocking the video. The NYT is pretending that they are the "deep state" that Republicans talk about.
Absolutely!
Back when I was working Quality Control for the State Welfare department, my job was to spot fraud and waste. When I found it, my superiors then spent the rest of the week sweeping it under the rug because the amount of money the state received from the feds was directly linked to the amount of waste & fraud in the system. I was drawing a chalk line to the problem and a couple of higher ups were right behind me, erasing the line.
The "bad guys" in government aren't really evil doers, they're driven by a profit angle and quite benign, which is where that whole Banality of Evil comes from. Perverse incentives introduced by the Feds to keep all your problems under wraps, lest your state suffer some shortfall of riches.
Socializing any part of a capitalist system is rife with possibility for "perverse incentives" to lead to waste and fraud. It doesn't mean that I think we don't need "common services." The exact opposite, actually. It's just that, as your example illustrates, we need to go in with eyes wide open and have a way for people like you to report to an independent body so these issues don't get swept under the rug. And thank you for your comment. No, I don't think these people are evil. They're just not morally strong enough to "resist temptations."