Because they’re indulging the worst impulses of Trump. It may have some people online hyped up about it but I don’t see it going anywhere.
I watched Jan 6 live. Seemed to me - a few bad people mixed in with some ignoramuses amped up by a crowd of thousands. Some rioted and others tresspassed. They’re being charged as is correct. To tr…
Because they’re indulging the worst impulses of Trump. It may have some people online hyped up about it but I don’t see it going anywhere.
I watched Jan 6 live. Seemed to me - a few bad people mixed in with some ignoramuses amped up by a crowd of thousands. Some rioted and others tresspassed. They’re being charged as is correct. To try and shoehorn it into a 9/11 or a White Supremacist attempted Coup is simply not true. No matter how many times CNN says it. It just isn’t true.
The worst damage caused by the attempted (in a rather lame way imo) insurrection is that people now equate GIVING PEOPLE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE due to the pandemic, with STEALING THE VOTE. The two are not the same, but it's useful to conflate them if you want to keep people from agreeing that the populace should find voting so easy that it's shameful to not vote.
I hate that conflation. It's evil and dresses the worst illness of our civic body (non participation) in the false premise of righteous indignation.
it's believed by the majority of a major political party and it is the product of the most influential politician in that party. How is that not a relevant topic for institutional critique?
"Stop the Steal" =/= Some really funky shit happened with voting tabs on 11/3 and weeks following, shit that I have not observed through 40 years of voting, and many people wanted that shit verified.
Perhaps, but it's only been going on for half a year or so. It may just be cynical non-sense to the political veterans, but these things have a way of taking on a life of their own, and it's not fringe stuff. At any rate, it's evasive for a guy like Matt who positions himself as a principled critic of institutional power and the media to give the right a pass at the moment because its convenient to his argument and his defence of his friend. He's in his own bubble.
This is all beside the fact that, though you may be outraged by people who want to "Stop the Steal", there is nothing wrong with that as an idea. There is nothing sinister about looking into whether or not shady business took place.
If the numbers are all legit, then let's see it. I still believe Truth is more important in this time than defeating opposition. Furthermore, if attempting to suppress the truth for "the greater good" only stokes the flames of the opposition, then what was it all for?
'What there IS a shortage of is honesty and accountability on the elite, cultural left for it[s] failures.'
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This is not new. Knowledge is power; the powerful do not wish to share power because power is invidious; therefore, the powerful do not wish to impart (good) knowledge, that is, truth. The only thing wrong with your statement is that you attribute it to some kind of 'cultural Left', which does not exist in significantly organized form in the US or, probably, anywhere in 'the West'.
Well, you actually didn't deal with my observations above. Is that confirmation bias? I don't know the answer to that either. I continue to think people should pay more attention to the apparent link between bourgeois modes of organization and the rise of the 'totalitarian' ideologies some of us are talking about here.
Fine, yes, they are powerful and often garbage. But I notice that you are still avoiding my main points about how "mainstream" the stop the steal nonsense is on the right, and how powerful that faction is in US politics. Fanatics who go out and riot on Capital hill may be a minority with little influence, but the Republican Party isn't, and this is their brand.
It seems more a creation of the media and a way for like minded folks to get together online. Almost in a community sort of way. It’s not going anywhere ok? Nowhere. Trump isn’t being reinstated. It strikes me as irrelevant harmless time wasting.
Republicans in power know they can’t upset Trumps base so they give this stuff lip service but in private all of them know it’s meaningless.
A dude with antler ears was in the well of the House taking pictures. Mixed in were some bad right wing agitators. It’s a shameful stupid event- people will go to jail, that’s it. Hardly an insurrection to me.
It's a curious article in that the condition of liberals in the Russian Empire was, one might say, rather strongly affected by the existing state, and the article seems to ignore it.
Ever been physically attacked by these AntiFA clowns? I have, and I've personally seen them riot and destroy dozens of small family-owned shops and businesses.
Cultural politics has been a driving force of the right in America since, well, at least Reagan.
But sure, in some weird trying to blame the other guy scenario the left is responsible for the current dumpster fire version for what passes as conservatism.
"You are either mentally ill, mentally incompetent and dysfunctional, or a worthless troll....
Ah, here we have a classic example of the (patented?) e. pierce dismissal. Typically incorporates, and melds, accusations of both an advanced mental disorder and....trollery. Very original.
erroneous Pierce: "the "left" threw the working classes under the bus for at least 50 years, causing a populist backlash.
your inability to see/recognize reality is astonishing."
Here are a few posts to help erroneous Pierce "recognize reality," and counter not just his clumsy propagandizing, but his egregious misinterpretation of his own links and research.
As the former CIA analyst Martin Gurri writes in The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium (2018):
"....A candidate that innocent of qualifications and political direction can be elected only as a gesture of supreme repudiation, by the electorate, of the governing class. From start to finish, the 2016 presidential race can best be understood as the political assertion of an unhappy and highly mobilized public. In the end, Trump was chosen precisely because of, not despite, his apparent shortcomings. He is the visible effect, not the cause, of the public’s surly and mutinous mood….
The right level of analysis on Trump isn’t Trump at all, but the public that endowed him with a radical direction and temper, and the decadent institutions that proved too weak to stand in his way…. Trump is in the style of our moment: a man from nowhere, with no stake in the system, ignorant of history, incurious about our political habits and traditions, but happy to bash and to break old and precious things in exchange for a little attention."
"....Until the late 1980s, “political correctness” was used exclusively within the left, and almost always ironically as a critique of excessive orthodoxy. In fact, some of the first people to organise against “political correctness” were a group of feminists who called themselves the Lesbian Sex Mafia. In 1982, they held a “Speakout on Politically Incorrect Sex” at a theatre in New York’s East Village – a rally against fellow feminists who had condemned pornography and BDSM. Over 400 women attended, many of them wearing leather and collars, brandishing nipple clamps and dildos. The writer and activist Mirtha Quintanales summed up the mood when she told the audience, “We need to have dialogues about S&M issues, not about what is ‘politically correct, politically incorrect’.”
But soon enough, the term was rebranded by the right, who turned its meaning inside out. All of a sudden, instead of being a phrase that leftists used to check dogmatic tendencies within their movement, “political correctness” became a talking point for neoconservatives. They said that PC constituted a leftwing political programme that was seizing control of American universities and cultural institutions – and they were determined to stop it.
PC was a useful invention for the Republican right because it helped the movement to drive a wedge between working-class people and the Democrats who claimed to speak for them. “Political correctness” became a term used to drum into the public imagination the idea that there was a deep divide between the “ordinary people” and the “liberal elite”, who sought to control the speech and thoughts of regular folk. Opposition to political correctness also became a way to rebrand racism in ways that were politically acceptable in the post-civil-rights era."
Because they’re indulging the worst impulses of Trump. It may have some people online hyped up about it but I don’t see it going anywhere.
I watched Jan 6 live. Seemed to me - a few bad people mixed in with some ignoramuses amped up by a crowd of thousands. Some rioted and others tresspassed. They’re being charged as is correct. To try and shoehorn it into a 9/11 or a White Supremacist attempted Coup is simply not true. No matter how many times CNN says it. It just isn’t true.
The worst damage caused by the attempted (in a rather lame way imo) insurrection is that people now equate GIVING PEOPLE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE due to the pandemic, with STEALING THE VOTE. The two are not the same, but it's useful to conflate them if you want to keep people from agreeing that the populace should find voting so easy that it's shameful to not vote.
I hate that conflation. It's evil and dresses the worst illness of our civic body (non participation) in the false premise of righteous indignation.
it's believed by the majority of a major political party and it is the product of the most influential politician in that party. How is that not a relevant topic for institutional critique?
"Stop the Steal" =/= Some really funky shit happened with voting tabs on 11/3 and weeks following, shit that I have not observed through 40 years of voting, and many people wanted that shit verified.
Who knows if that’s even true and who cares? Lots of people may say that to annoy the media.
I’ve heard no major figure currently in power operate as if Biden is not the President. It’s nonsense that’s all.
Perhaps, but it's only been going on for half a year or so. It may just be cynical non-sense to the political veterans, but these things have a way of taking on a life of their own, and it's not fringe stuff. At any rate, it's evasive for a guy like Matt who positions himself as a principled critic of institutional power and the media to give the right a pass at the moment because its convenient to his argument and his defence of his friend. He's in his own bubble.
This is all beside the fact that, though you may be outraged by people who want to "Stop the Steal", there is nothing wrong with that as an idea. There is nothing sinister about looking into whether or not shady business took place.
If the numbers are all legit, then let's see it. I still believe Truth is more important in this time than defeating opposition. Furthermore, if attempting to suppress the truth for "the greater good" only stokes the flames of the opposition, then what was it all for?
'What there IS a shortage of is honesty and accountability on the elite, cultural left for it[s] failures.'
--
This is not new. Knowledge is power; the powerful do not wish to share power because power is invidious; therefore, the powerful do not wish to impart (good) knowledge, that is, truth. The only thing wrong with your statement is that you attribute it to some kind of 'cultural Left', which does not exist in significantly organized form in the US or, probably, anywhere in 'the West'.
latouche calls it balderdash.
Well, I don't know....
Sounds as though your therapist has you working on the problem. Glad to hear it.
Well, you actually didn't deal with my observations above. Is that confirmation bias? I don't know the answer to that either. I continue to think people should pay more attention to the apparent link between bourgeois modes of organization and the rise of the 'totalitarian' ideologies some of us are talking about here.
and who cares what CNN says? either it's something worth taking seriously, or it isn't. Matt's comment above is really evasive.
It’s not just CNN. It’s the Times’ the Post, the entire media establishment gaslighting and being deceptive.
Fine, yes, they are powerful and often garbage. But I notice that you are still avoiding my main points about how "mainstream" the stop the steal nonsense is on the right, and how powerful that faction is in US politics. Fanatics who go out and riot on Capital hill may be a minority with little influence, but the Republican Party isn't, and this is their brand.
Im not ignoring it- I disagree with your premise.
It seems more a creation of the media and a way for like minded folks to get together online. Almost in a community sort of way. It’s not going anywhere ok? Nowhere. Trump isn’t being reinstated. It strikes me as irrelevant harmless time wasting.
Republicans in power know they can’t upset Trumps base so they give this stuff lip service but in private all of them know it’s meaningless.
A dude with antler ears was in the well of the House taking pictures. Mixed in were some bad right wing agitators. It’s a shameful stupid event- people will go to jail, that’s it. Hardly an insurrection to me.
Lest we forget the ANTIFATARDS that fomented the Capitol non-event.
Lest we forget how often the right uses Antifa as the stand in bogeyman for their own excesses.
Like you just did. Pure nonsense.
Tell that to all the black-owned business owners they've torched. If you want to play cover for the Shitlibs' shocktroops, you might want to reconsider. https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/10/suicide-of-the-liberals
It's a curious article in that the condition of liberals in the Russian Empire was, one might say, rather strongly affected by the existing state, and the article seems to ignore it.
Ever been physically attacked by these AntiFA clowns? I have, and I've personally seen them riot and destroy dozens of small family-owned shops and businesses.
LOL, sure, an insurrectionist mob is a community of sorts.
Republicans have embraced white nationalism as their core platform, this is the end result.
Yawn.
Speaking of shifting blame...
Cultural politics has been a driving force of the right in America since, well, at least Reagan.
But sure, in some weird trying to blame the other guy scenario the left is responsible for the current dumpster fire version for what passes as conservatism.
"You are either mentally ill, mentally incompetent and dysfunctional, or a worthless troll....
Ah, here we have a classic example of the (patented?) e. pierce dismissal. Typically incorporates, and melds, accusations of both an advanced mental disorder and....trollery. Very original.
erroneous Pierce: "the "left" threw the working classes under the bus for at least 50 years, causing a populist backlash.
your inability to see/recognize reality is astonishing."
Here are a few posts to help erroneous Pierce "recognize reality," and counter not just his clumsy propagandizing, but his egregious misinterpretation of his own links and research.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/30/political-correctness-how-the-right-invented-phantom-enemy-donald-trump
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/07/01/reality-rebellion/
As the former CIA analyst Martin Gurri writes in The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium (2018):
"....A candidate that innocent of qualifications and political direction can be elected only as a gesture of supreme repudiation, by the electorate, of the governing class. From start to finish, the 2016 presidential race can best be understood as the political assertion of an unhappy and highly mobilized public. In the end, Trump was chosen precisely because of, not despite, his apparent shortcomings. He is the visible effect, not the cause, of the public’s surly and mutinous mood….
The right level of analysis on Trump isn’t Trump at all, but the public that endowed him with a radical direction and temper, and the decadent institutions that proved too weak to stand in his way…. Trump is in the style of our moment: a man from nowhere, with no stake in the system, ignorant of history, incurious about our political habits and traditions, but happy to bash and to break old and precious things in exchange for a little attention."
Read the Guardian link especially.
Get some rest...
....the "left" threw the working classes under the bus for at least 50 years, causing a populist backlash.''
A few excerpts from the Guardian link:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/30/political-correctness-how-the-right-invented-phantom-enemy-donald-trump
"....Until the late 1980s, “political correctness” was used exclusively within the left, and almost always ironically as a critique of excessive orthodoxy. In fact, some of the first people to organise against “political correctness” were a group of feminists who called themselves the Lesbian Sex Mafia. In 1982, they held a “Speakout on Politically Incorrect Sex” at a theatre in New York’s East Village – a rally against fellow feminists who had condemned pornography and BDSM. Over 400 women attended, many of them wearing leather and collars, brandishing nipple clamps and dildos. The writer and activist Mirtha Quintanales summed up the mood when she told the audience, “We need to have dialogues about S&M issues, not about what is ‘politically correct, politically incorrect’.”
But soon enough, the term was rebranded by the right, who turned its meaning inside out. All of a sudden, instead of being a phrase that leftists used to check dogmatic tendencies within their movement, “political correctness” became a talking point for neoconservatives. They said that PC constituted a leftwing political programme that was seizing control of American universities and cultural institutions – and they were determined to stop it.
PC was a useful invention for the Republican right because it helped the movement to drive a wedge between working-class people and the Democrats who claimed to speak for them. “Political correctness” became a term used to drum into the public imagination the idea that there was a deep divide between the “ordinary people” and the “liberal elite”, who sought to control the speech and thoughts of regular folk. Opposition to political correctness also became a way to rebrand racism in ways that were politically acceptable in the post-civil-rights era."
OK.
OK.
You have reading comprehension issues and are confused about history.
"At that point, Rorty wrote, something will crack." e .Pierce?