It’s not about far left, it’s about deep blue. Neither party is about an ideology that can be described as part of a political spectrum. They’re just two teams with different color uniforms trying to win against each other.
It's a state of absolutism whether deep blue, far left doesn't really matter. The duopoloy has been running for decades, now the art of manipulation is just being perfected to a point of mastery. 2 minutes of hate would seem like a reprieve these days.
I disagree with that. The Trump wing of the Republican Party is ousting the neocons (like Liz Cheney) who are the warmongering globalists. There is an ideology on the right and its national populism. Unlike the left, the populists haven’t bowed down to the uniparty members in their party (neocon/neolib).
Cheney wasn’t given the boot for her ideology, it was because she didn’t show team spirit by closing ranks around Trump. The Republicans still have globalist/interventionalists like Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham in their coalition alongside nationalist/populists like Josh Hawley. It’s not about whether your philosophy matches Trump’s, it’s about whether the way you talk about Trump alienates his base. Their ideology is very much secondary to Team Red, which at the moment is synonymous with Team Trump.
Well Team Trump is much better than Team neocon. I’ll take the side that’s actually trying to purge the neo uniparty faction out of the Party. The progressives (who are supposed to be populist left) who vote in sync with the neolibs is the comparison I’m going with that you missed.
Your point is well taken but Trump ought to be credited for shining a light on the administrative state and how it conspires to undermine our faith in government.
Indeed. He should be credited with exposing the system, which is not rigged, but fixed. He did force the hand that exposed the deep state. Schumer was very eloquent when he touched on the subject.
Both Left and Right hate Trump for nothing else, but for sometimes telling the truth.
There’s nothing populist about the people in the Democratic party who call themselves “progressive”, and they’re only vaguely pretending there is. And when it comes to those on either side whose ideology includes opposing the neverending war machine, it’s interesting to note that the losing coalition who tried to block the House’s blocking of Trump’s final-days move to withdraw from Afghanistan included Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz, both of whom have since been put on the chopping block. Don’t count on the Trumpies to reorient their party away from rubber stamping war. Trump escalated drone assassinations even more than Obama.
Lesser of two evils is still an evil.. I will take Bernie over either side fo the Republican party... Trump did not accomplish one thing that helped the poor and middle class other than entertain them. He did on the other hand accomplish what every Republican President but Bush1 have accomplished in my lifetime an that is growing the deficit by handing rich Americans a smaller tax bill...
Actions speak louder than words and Trumps actions PROVE he is and was a TOOL for the rich...
The lower and middle class did well under the Trump Administration. Black unemployment reached the lowest level on record in 2019 due to his policies. The tax reform law favored everyone except the wealthiest 5%.
RF - Your rant above is a perfect example of how right wing media distorts the truth to its audience every bit as much as the Liberal Media Matt so consistently attacks.
Black unemployment had been trending DOWN for 6yrs in a row BEFORE Trump took office. All he did was see a continuation of the trend that started before he took office. Same with wages for the poor.
There is no evidence that any POLICY Trump passed CAUSED wages to the poor and middle class to go up beyond the trend that was already in place and same with black unemployment...
Absolutely, that's the whole point of the corporate duopoloy, they don't care what side you choose, as long as its not someone not on their payroll, like Ralph Nader, Ron Paul or Bernie
But Trump proved that someone not on their payroll can win the primary. As did Obama.. In the end both Obama and Trump GOT on the payroll and their supporters were never the wiser
Turned out Bernie is on Biden's payroll. Who wudda thunk that? I regret getting at wee hours of the morning and driving my teenage daughter to stand for hours trying to see Bernie speak.
It pains me to agree with you. I know we've moved on from the Kucinich articles by now, but the fatal flaw of both Bernie and Dennis as politicians is that they weren't willing to play dirty. The people who love them love them because they're nice guys, but it's not a game for nice guys.
I think much of Trump's appeal resided in the fact that he never failed to take or failed to execute a kick in the nuts.
If you join any of the currently available teams you're swallowing one lie or another. Parsing the difference is part of how you convince yourself that another of the teams doesn't suck. The smart bet right now is being a free agent.
I agree 100% And i see very free agents on this board. Russia Gate and Stop the Steal are both lies. Matt ignores one as if it is true an is relentless about the other.
“Ignores one as if it is true.” That actually made me spit out tea laughing. It’s classic: “What he’s writing is true, but he’s not writing about the other thing I think he should be writing about — so I cry foul!” I’ve read your comments before. You are better than this.
Trump was used like Steve Bannons tampon, to think he actually is anything other than a narcissistic, illiterate, self serving bully would be a stretch. The right has formed this ideology out of self preservation, convenience and nothing more, they would invade as many countries and transfer as much wealth as their base would accept, we know this because they already did it for decades.
the wealth transfer has been ongoing. Look at the 2008 crisis. Obama rescued the banks.. Look who benefitted from this pandemic. The middle class has been shafted by the elites. When jobs and industries are moved off shore--to cheaper labor--and regulation, who benefits? Not the middle class. The corporate class benefits from open borders and offshoring our jobs and industries. Massive wealth transfer by Democrats and uniparty. Identity politics is necessary to distract from this reality.
Absolutely. Culture war is the only thing that prevents something truly dangerous: class war. Expect lots and lots of culture war in the coming years, even (especially?) if it contributes to racial strife that gets out of hand.
Trump was a useful idiot for the right-wing elites. They discarded him as soon as they could. He was hated so much by both right and left because he sometimes told the truth.
SPOT ON... they would invade as many countries and transfer as much wealth as their base would accept, we know this because they already did it for decades."
BlueMAGA seems to be mad at Greenwald because he dares to question Democrats’ behavior especially regarding civil liberties. The Daily Beast article apparently ignored the obvious point that Greenwald isn’t invited on CNN or MSNBC.
Greenwald is not right wing? He is in the business of getting clicks and he can get clicks from right wing partisan hacks by attacking the same flaws in the mainstream leftest media as exist on the mainstream rightest media... All he has to do is IGNORE the exact same flaws in right wing media and gets clicks from right wingers. $$$
Either that or right wing media does not push lies and conspiricy's to distract right wing viewers from the real issues of the time. Right?
Sasha - The purpose of corporate dick sucking media is to misinform voters and thus enable the powerful to screw those with less power. Misinformed voters is the problem.
Corporate media is one cause. Right wing media is another cause. In Hate Inc Matt slammed BOTH form of media for their lies. Since reading the book and joining this board he ONLY slams corporate media and their lies and virtually ignores the lies of right wing media. In turn I rarely see the lies of corporate media on these message boards but i constantly see the lies of right wing media repeated on these boards.
Correlation or causation. I am telling matt it appears to be the later...
True... But after 40yrs of growing income inequality where we are in the middle of the first generation of Americans to have less than their parents and the resulting anger and hopelessness in so many Americans negatively effected by growing income inequality Matt should state clearly that he is ONLY calling out right winger lies in warmonger and NOT in economic policy where they LIE daily and right wing voters believe their lies and vote for leaders that are screwing them economicaly while pandering to their identity politics
The question is how far left do you have to be to think Glenn Greenwald is right wing?
It’s not about far left, it’s about deep blue. Neither party is about an ideology that can be described as part of a political spectrum. They’re just two teams with different color uniforms trying to win against each other.
It's a state of absolutism whether deep blue, far left doesn't really matter. The duopoloy has been running for decades, now the art of manipulation is just being perfected to a point of mastery. 2 minutes of hate would seem like a reprieve these days.
I disagree with that. The Trump wing of the Republican Party is ousting the neocons (like Liz Cheney) who are the warmongering globalists. There is an ideology on the right and its national populism. Unlike the left, the populists haven’t bowed down to the uniparty members in their party (neocon/neolib).
Cheney wasn’t given the boot for her ideology, it was because she didn’t show team spirit by closing ranks around Trump. The Republicans still have globalist/interventionalists like Tom Cotton and Lindsey Graham in their coalition alongside nationalist/populists like Josh Hawley. It’s not about whether your philosophy matches Trump’s, it’s about whether the way you talk about Trump alienates his base. Their ideology is very much secondary to Team Red, which at the moment is synonymous with Team Trump.
Well Team Trump is much better than Team neocon. I’ll take the side that’s actually trying to purge the neo uniparty faction out of the Party. The progressives (who are supposed to be populist left) who vote in sync with the neolibs is the comparison I’m going with that you missed.
The history shows that Trump's 'purge' was all show and no action. The swamp he drained indeed, right.
Your point is well taken but Trump ought to be credited for shining a light on the administrative state and how it conspires to undermine our faith in government.
Indeed. He should be credited with exposing the system, which is not rigged, but fixed. He did force the hand that exposed the deep state. Schumer was very eloquent when he touched on the subject.
Both Left and Right hate Trump for nothing else, but for sometimes telling the truth.
There’s nothing populist about the people in the Democratic party who call themselves “progressive”, and they’re only vaguely pretending there is. And when it comes to those on either side whose ideology includes opposing the neverending war machine, it’s interesting to note that the losing coalition who tried to block the House’s blocking of Trump’s final-days move to withdraw from Afghanistan included Tulsi Gabbard and Matt Gaetz, both of whom have since been put on the chopping block. Don’t count on the Trumpies to reorient their party away from rubber stamping war. Trump escalated drone assassinations even more than Obama.
Sure lesser of two evils seems to be the play usually, I'll take Bernie and breaking up the banks, that is what Globocap nightmares are made of.
Lesser of two evils is still an evil.. I will take Bernie over either side fo the Republican party... Trump did not accomplish one thing that helped the poor and middle class other than entertain them. He did on the other hand accomplish what every Republican President but Bush1 have accomplished in my lifetime an that is growing the deficit by handing rich Americans a smaller tax bill...
Actions speak louder than words and Trumps actions PROVE he is and was a TOOL for the rich...
The lower and middle class did well under the Trump Administration. Black unemployment reached the lowest level on record in 2019 due to his policies. The tax reform law favored everyone except the wealthiest 5%.
RF - Your rant above is a perfect example of how right wing media distorts the truth to its audience every bit as much as the Liberal Media Matt so consistently attacks.
Black unemployment had been trending DOWN for 6yrs in a row BEFORE Trump took office. All he did was see a continuation of the trend that started before he took office. Same with wages for the poor.
There is no evidence that any POLICY Trump passed CAUSED wages to the poor and middle class to go up beyond the trend that was already in place and same with black unemployment...
But thank you for PROVING my point
Economics 101
wages inverse relationship to number of applicants
Supply and demand.
rumor has it one must be bilingual to flip burgers in Cali.
Absolutely, that's the whole point of the corporate duopoloy, they don't care what side you choose, as long as its not someone not on their payroll, like Ralph Nader, Ron Paul or Bernie
Jack - Spot On...
But Trump proved that someone not on their payroll can win the primary. As did Obama.. In the end both Obama and Trump GOT on the payroll and their supporters were never the wiser
Turned out Bernie is on Biden's payroll. Who wudda thunk that? I regret getting at wee hours of the morning and driving my teenage daughter to stand for hours trying to see Bernie speak.
Bernie turned out to be the cuck-in-charge. What a useless spineless, knee-bending ass.
It seems to me that Kucinich actually is what Bernie only pretends to be.
That's an interesting question - does Bernie (knowingly) pretends? Or is he really a controlled opposition? Or is he really weak?
It pains me to agree with you. I know we've moved on from the Kucinich articles by now, but the fatal flaw of both Bernie and Dennis as politicians is that they weren't willing to play dirty. The people who love them love them because they're nice guys, but it's not a game for nice guys.
I think much of Trump's appeal resided in the fact that he never failed to take or failed to execute a kick in the nuts.
I am turning to the opinion that Bernie is actually the ultimate team player. Kucinich is the man. I don't think he ever bent the knee.
FT - To be on team Trump do you have to believe the LIE that he actually won the Election or can you know he is lying and still be on team Trump?
If you join any of the currently available teams you're swallowing one lie or another. Parsing the difference is part of how you convince yourself that another of the teams doesn't suck. The smart bet right now is being a free agent.
I agree 100% And i see very free agents on this board. Russia Gate and Stop the Steal are both lies. Matt ignores one as if it is true an is relentless about the other.
“Ignores one as if it is true.” That actually made me spit out tea laughing. It’s classic: “What he’s writing is true, but he’s not writing about the other thing I think he should be writing about — so I cry foul!” I’ve read your comments before. You are better than this.
Trump was used like Steve Bannons tampon, to think he actually is anything other than a narcissistic, illiterate, self serving bully would be a stretch. The right has formed this ideology out of self preservation, convenience and nothing more, they would invade as many countries and transfer as much wealth as their base would accept, we know this because they already did it for decades.
the wealth transfer has been ongoing. Look at the 2008 crisis. Obama rescued the banks.. Look who benefitted from this pandemic. The middle class has been shafted by the elites. When jobs and industries are moved off shore--to cheaper labor--and regulation, who benefits? Not the middle class. The corporate class benefits from open borders and offshoring our jobs and industries. Massive wealth transfer by Democrats and uniparty. Identity politics is necessary to distract from this reality.
Absolutely. Culture war is the only thing that prevents something truly dangerous: class war. Expect lots and lots of culture war in the coming years, even (especially?) if it contributes to racial strife that gets out of hand.
Anything but the briar patch. I find that applies to a lot of shit in life...
Bingo.
Double bingo!
Trump was a useful idiot for the right-wing elites. They discarded him as soon as they could. He was hated so much by both right and left because he sometimes told the truth.
Are you aware you just described the Biden boys?
SPOT ON... they would invade as many countries and transfer as much wealth as their base would accept, we know this because they already did it for decades."
Epic!
Totally agree.
well said.
They are competing for the same cock they want to blow until tomorrow comes.
BlueMAGA seems to be mad at Greenwald because he dares to question Democrats’ behavior especially regarding civil liberties. The Daily Beast article apparently ignored the obvious point that Greenwald isn’t invited on CNN or MSNBC.
The question isn't "how far left" one has to be, but how authoritarian one has to be.
Authoritarians exist on both ends of the political spectrum.
Not sure why you felt a need to state the obvious as if I was implying something otherwise, but ok.
Answer: Barking Mad.
Stalinesque
if by "left" you mean "stupid"...
Greenwald is not right wing? He is in the business of getting clicks and he can get clicks from right wing partisan hacks by attacking the same flaws in the mainstream leftest media as exist on the mainstream rightest media... All he has to do is IGNORE the exact same flaws in right wing media and gets clicks from right wingers. $$$
Either that or right wing media does not push lies and conspiricy's to distract right wing viewers from the real issues of the time. Right?
Sophistry. There is *NO LEFT-WING MEDIA IN THE US*. There is a corporate dick-sucking media only.
Sasha - The purpose of corporate dick sucking media is to misinform voters and thus enable the powerful to screw those with less power. Misinformed voters is the problem.
Corporate media is one cause. Right wing media is another cause. In Hate Inc Matt slammed BOTH form of media for their lies. Since reading the book and joining this board he ONLY slams corporate media and their lies and virtually ignores the lies of right wing media. In turn I rarely see the lies of corporate media on these message boards but i constantly see the lies of right wing media repeated on these boards.
Correlation or causation. I am telling matt it appears to be the later...
I think you are creating a problem where there is none.
Glenn also attacks right-wingers too, e.g. on warmongering stuff.
True... But after 40yrs of growing income inequality where we are in the middle of the first generation of Americans to have less than their parents and the resulting anger and hopelessness in so many Americans negatively effected by growing income inequality Matt should state clearly that he is ONLY calling out right winger lies in warmonger and NOT in economic policy where they LIE daily and right wing voters believe their lies and vote for leaders that are screwing them economicaly while pandering to their identity politics
Batshit f-ing crazy.
"prestige" should be in quotes.