Callin Discussion: Friday, 4:00 p.m. EST, "The Folly of Pandemic Censorship"
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This week’s article about “The Folly of Pandemic Censorship” drew a significant response, but there have also been some crazy developments since its publication, including an appearance by the Surgeon General on MSNBC suggesting that we use “the power that we have” to crack down even more on wrongthinkers. Let’s talk about why this is crazy and dangerous on Callin at 4:00 p.m. EST today, link here:
"Crack down on wrongthinkers"? Geez. That's as dangerous and nonsensical a notion from the left as banning MAUS is from the right. God save of us all from the censors.
Back in the 1960's two teachers at Claremont HS in Claremont, CA did a prolonged class on the end result of the 1930's propaganda. The presented all the propaganda in favor of a fascist government without censoring it or immediately criticizing it. An overwhelming number of students came to support the Nazi agenda without knowing it was Nazism. The last day of the sessions on pre WWII Germany (I think it was after 10 to 14 days), the teachers showed where the policies which the students believed were so great lead -- the death camps. Parents complained that their children were upset.
why do these people think that Joe Rogan and his guests are driving the discussion as opposed to simply reacting to what's going out on in the world that the main stream media sources are ignoring?
The misinformation is far more fundamental than that. Social distancing is based on a measurement of how far sneeze droplets flew. That was done by a German bacteriologist in the 1890s. When imaging technology improved, it turned out that droplets from viral sneezes flew far further- not two meters, but eight meters, or 28 feet. Mask studies have been performed in Bangladesh; almost all masks are useless. This has been known by medical scientists for more than two years. N95/KN95 masks are effective only when properly worn. Fortunately, the three living in our household are all medically knowledgeable.
The risk to people under 20 contracting the disease is less than the risk of a serious outcome from a a vaccination from an mRNA vaccine. And, the traditional vaccines are carried by adenoviruses, which cause the same effects as mild COVID. In addition, if one has adenovirus antibodies, carried by about 50% of all men over 60, the carrier will be killed before it can kill the virus.
We need to stop hearings on the January 6 brouhaha and open hearings on the Biden klepofamily. It should be easy to do once Republicans gain control of one house of congress. I know Attorney General Garland will refuse to deliver any subpoenas issued by a Republican-controlled committee, just as Eric Holder did before him. That will tell us everything we need to know. The first subpoena needs to be for Hunter Biden's financials
Matt, this is was a great episode, and the Callin show has been quite enjoyable.
To respond to what you said at the end of the episode of people being sick of the censorship coverage: I, for one, think your devotion to this topic is important and necessary, and I don't think that a lot of your readers are sick of it. Many of us are as upset about this as you are, and we hope you'll continue to cover it.
The same day Woody Allen's book deal was quashed, I walked into the local Barnes and Noble and physically held a copy of Mein Kompf that was for sale. Also, the Apple only stuff is super irritating. Would very much like to join, but not so much that I would buy an Apple product.
Matt, we are tired of hearing from “the intellectual dark web” on the topics of censorship, CRT, and all things righteous that the left usurped from the Church Lady crowd. I would love to hear an expert on critical thinking and philosophy break down what’s right and wrong about the new morality. And what both sides are missing in the face of collapse of the American empire.
It constantly amazes me how this administration and it's minions work in the language of censorship. That's a non-starter for me, period. They determine that discussion on important policy decisions be curtailed with "the power that we have". Excuse me if I hear echoes of the Cultural Revolution.
Matt, when you say "Let's talk..." at 4:00 p.m. EST today what does that mean? Does this mean you talk, and I listen restrospectively on an archived version of this conversation presented on a future (meaning after 4 pm today)TK podcost archive link, Youtube link, or otherwise? If not, can you please give some instruction on how a subscriber, such as myself, with an android phone can call and actually "talk" on a live, interactive call offered to your subscribers? Or is there a link someone can provide that explains how to set this "Callin" application up on my phone? Thank you.
One of the greatest parts of the Constitution forces the powerful to hold elections every two years. Those running on a pro-censorship, pro-mandate, pro-CRT platform/tweets/interviews will I predict find it more than normally difficult to survive.
Regarding Maus, different areas of the country will have different levels of what parents find acceptable. Any of those 8th graders can easily get a copy of Maus overnighted from Amazon if they or their parents find it that important. It's not like the book was banned in the functional sense that it's very difficult to acquire, unlike many books actually banned by Amazon. The left has some truly pathetic displays of what-aboutism when it comes to cancel culture. FFS, the on-goings of the McMinn County, TN schoolboard is now national news? This reminds me of 2013 era rage-bait when HuffPo and Slate would hyperventilate over every offensive tweet by some dogcatcher in Bucksnort, Arkansas.
Why don't you put the recording on Substack as a pod ep? Their web payer is kinda crap.
Is there a technical reason? A legal one? Or a Bartleby reason (you prefer not to but won't say why)?
If the problem is not having time, I'll organize to transfer the audio to something that can be published in RSS and listed in the various pod apps (Spotify, Apple, PocketCasts, etc.)
Keep up the fight! I really enjoyed your hard-hitting article. We have to make sure a culture of free speech, free inquiry, and debate is protected at Substack.
Why Callin? I think you'd get a larger turnout on Twitter Spaces.
You don't counter with saying: "NN lies!". You counter with facts, logic and reasoned debate.
Screeching "NN lies!", calling for censorship, gag orders, and removal of any material containing errors is not the right way to go about things.
If NN claims that, well let's say a new untried medical treatment can have dangerous side effects, the correct way to counter is to show the reseacrh, show the tests (not just alleged results), and show the decision making process of the regulatory body complete with any bias or conflict of interest in said body.
If you instead cover up, double down, and clamp shut everything and everyone asking questions or making challenges? Well, you've pretty much proven that there's something wrong in the first place, haven't you?
The old adage of applying the same logic as when buying a used car holds true here as well - would anyone buy let alone drive a used car they weren't allowed to check out first?
Wrong thinkers or lie spreaders? There's a difference. Especially when the result of the lie could be death. Rebranding liars doesn't make the outcome of their lies any more palatable.
Crap so much for freedom of speach, at this point I’d like to have freedom of thought! Any movement is won with non-violence, lets not make them appear to be roght….stay calm & carry-on
My sense is that plenty of the information given on Joe Rogan is neither DIS nor MIS, it’s interesting that you didn’t push back a little bit more on that when you were asked. It seemed like a leading question…
I have been thinking a lot about Irving Layton 1912-2006 and whether in a hundred years he might be considered along with Milton as English's great poets. There is nothing so painful as a Socratic poet.
Layton wrote: "Let's stop talking about the Holocaust, We don't want to give them any ideas."
Here in Quebec I have two governments who are usually locked in opposition telling me the exact same thing.
This is a health issue not a political issue and it is nice to be able to trust our governments.
"Crack down on wrongthinkers"? Geez. That's as dangerous and nonsensical a notion from the left as banning MAUS is from the right. God save of us all from the censors.
Back in the 1960's two teachers at Claremont HS in Claremont, CA did a prolonged class on the end result of the 1930's propaganda. The presented all the propaganda in favor of a fascist government without censoring it or immediately criticizing it. An overwhelming number of students came to support the Nazi agenda without knowing it was Nazism. The last day of the sessions on pre WWII Germany (I think it was after 10 to 14 days), the teachers showed where the policies which the students believed were so great lead -- the death camps. Parents complained that their children were upset.
why do these people think that Joe Rogan and his guests are driving the discussion as opposed to simply reacting to what's going out on in the world that the main stream media sources are ignoring?
Is this only for iphone users?
The misinformation is far more fundamental than that. Social distancing is based on a measurement of how far sneeze droplets flew. That was done by a German bacteriologist in the 1890s. When imaging technology improved, it turned out that droplets from viral sneezes flew far further- not two meters, but eight meters, or 28 feet. Mask studies have been performed in Bangladesh; almost all masks are useless. This has been known by medical scientists for more than two years. N95/KN95 masks are effective only when properly worn. Fortunately, the three living in our household are all medically knowledgeable.
The risk to people under 20 contracting the disease is less than the risk of a serious outcome from a a vaccination from an mRNA vaccine. And, the traditional vaccines are carried by adenoviruses, which cause the same effects as mild COVID. In addition, if one has adenovirus antibodies, carried by about 50% of all men over 60, the carrier will be killed before it can kill the virus.
We need to stop hearings on the January 6 brouhaha and open hearings on the Biden klepofamily. It should be easy to do once Republicans gain control of one house of congress. I know Attorney General Garland will refuse to deliver any subpoenas issued by a Republican-controlled committee, just as Eric Holder did before him. That will tell us everything we need to know. The first subpoena needs to be for Hunter Biden's financials
are we still apple only?
Matt, this is was a great episode, and the Callin show has been quite enjoyable.
To respond to what you said at the end of the episode of people being sick of the censorship coverage: I, for one, think your devotion to this topic is important and necessary, and I don't think that a lot of your readers are sick of it. Many of us are as upset about this as you are, and we hope you'll continue to cover it.
MAUS is a classic, and 14 is just the right age to give adolescents the information that will form their lives.
Keep up the good work brother! The world is a better place since you have found a place to provide your honest expertise
Matt, in the Callin app there's a option to read an auto generated transcript of the show. Any way you could export that and start posting it here?
Strongly recommend everyone check out Dr. John Campbell's most recent YouTube posting on the withholding of vaccine medical data by Big Pharma. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDxkloJ-4kE. He cites a article that was just published in the British Medical Journal concerning this issue. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o102
The same day Woody Allen's book deal was quashed, I walked into the local Barnes and Noble and physically held a copy of Mein Kompf that was for sale. Also, the Apple only stuff is super irritating. Would very much like to join, but not so much that I would buy an Apple product.
Aren't there any apps not dependent on having apple?
Matt, we are tired of hearing from “the intellectual dark web” on the topics of censorship, CRT, and all things righteous that the left usurped from the Church Lady crowd. I would love to hear an expert on critical thinking and philosophy break down what’s right and wrong about the new morality. And what both sides are missing in the face of collapse of the American empire.
It constantly amazes me how this administration and it's minions work in the language of censorship. That's a non-starter for me, period. They determine that discussion on important policy decisions be curtailed with "the power that we have". Excuse me if I hear echoes of the Cultural Revolution.
Matt, when you say "Let's talk..." at 4:00 p.m. EST today what does that mean? Does this mean you talk, and I listen restrospectively on an archived version of this conversation presented on a future (meaning after 4 pm today)TK podcost archive link, Youtube link, or otherwise? If not, can you please give some instruction on how a subscriber, such as myself, with an android phone can call and actually "talk" on a live, interactive call offered to your subscribers? Or is there a link someone can provide that explains how to set this "Callin" application up on my phone? Thank you.
How secure is Substack? Any chance they will bow to the censor freaks?
Main stream social media are silencing every single conservative, but relax help in on the way.
One of the greatest parts of the Constitution forces the powerful to hold elections every two years. Those running on a pro-censorship, pro-mandate, pro-CRT platform/tweets/interviews will I predict find it more than normally difficult to survive.
Regarding Maus, different areas of the country will have different levels of what parents find acceptable. Any of those 8th graders can easily get a copy of Maus overnighted from Amazon if they or their parents find it that important. It's not like the book was banned in the functional sense that it's very difficult to acquire, unlike many books actually banned by Amazon. The left has some truly pathetic displays of what-aboutism when it comes to cancel culture. FFS, the on-goings of the McMinn County, TN schoolboard is now national news? This reminds me of 2013 era rage-bait when HuffPo and Slate would hyperventilate over every offensive tweet by some dogcatcher in Bucksnort, Arkansas.
Why don't you put the recording on Substack as a pod ep? Their web payer is kinda crap.
Is there a technical reason? A legal one? Or a Bartleby reason (you prefer not to but won't say why)?
If the problem is not having time, I'll organize to transfer the audio to something that can be published in RSS and listed in the various pod apps (Spotify, Apple, PocketCasts, etc.)
Canadian convoy , hey our apologies for getting so pissed offed, but if you please? have a look why. https://youtu.be/CzrjWjckNpA?t=82
Freedom of thought can trump freedom of speech almost every time
Have a nice day
Hmm... I'll probably introduce my kid to stuff as early as possible.
Only question is what's first: MAUS, or Preacher?
Decisions, decisions.
Keep up the fight! I really enjoyed your hard-hitting article. We have to make sure a culture of free speech, free inquiry, and debate is protected at Substack.
Why Callin? I think you'd get a larger turnout on Twitter Spaces.
You don't counter with saying: "NN lies!". You counter with facts, logic and reasoned debate.
Screeching "NN lies!", calling for censorship, gag orders, and removal of any material containing errors is not the right way to go about things.
If NN claims that, well let's say a new untried medical treatment can have dangerous side effects, the correct way to counter is to show the reseacrh, show the tests (not just alleged results), and show the decision making process of the regulatory body complete with any bias or conflict of interest in said body.
If you instead cover up, double down, and clamp shut everything and everyone asking questions or making challenges? Well, you've pretty much proven that there's something wrong in the first place, haven't you?
The old adage of applying the same logic as when buying a used car holds true here as well - would anyone buy let alone drive a used car they weren't allowed to check out first?
No, we wouldn't.
Wrong thinkers or lie spreaders? There's a difference. Especially when the result of the lie could be death. Rebranding liars doesn't make the outcome of their lies any more palatable.
Causing harm should have consequences.
Crap so much for freedom of speach, at this point I’d like to have freedom of thought! Any movement is won with non-violence, lets not make them appear to be roght….stay calm & carry-on
My sense is that plenty of the information given on Joe Rogan is neither DIS nor MIS, it’s interesting that you didn’t push back a little bit more on that when you were asked. It seemed like a leading question…
I have been thinking a lot about Irving Layton 1912-2006 and whether in a hundred years he might be considered along with Milton as English's great poets. There is nothing so painful as a Socratic poet.
Layton wrote: "Let's stop talking about the Holocaust, We don't want to give them any ideas."
Here in Quebec I have two governments who are usually locked in opposition telling me the exact same thing.
This is a health issue not a political issue and it is nice to be able to trust our governments.
It's all getting worrying!
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