The social media divide means audiences are no longer obsessing about the same video outrages. Episode 1: the arrest of ChongLy Thao versus the Cities Church
> a former ACLU legal director, who declared the FACE Act should not apply, provided Cities Church members were not “barred from taking Communion or some other religious activity.” The ACLU has been silent on whether or not the Cities Church action constitutes protected First Amendment speech.
I formerly had a great deal of respect for the ACLU. Now I know, to my chagrin, that the right-wingers were right to mock the ACLU as "the American Criminal Liberties Union."
So this (granted, former) ACLU legal director wants to split hairs by claiming that interrupting the taking of Communion might violate FACE, but that interrupting a pastor's sermon to his flock does not?
And didn't Minnesota's Attorney General Keith Ellison want the DOJ to prosecute people under FACE for filming *outside* Muslim masjids?
It's always Two Tier "Justice" with the Left, it's never what's done but always who is doing it, that determines what is or isn't legal for the Left.
As for Thao, ICE needs to show better discipline and restraint. It's illegal and embarrassing when they fail to get warrants, brak down doors, arrest the wrong people in their underwear. Do the job, but do it professionally and legally.
Trump was elected to *end* the chaos and the misuse of Federal authority.
I think that she threw the parents who named her Kate and raised her under the bus which is a thing now. She sounds like she's on Helium with the testosterone drugging. She was a total idiot before the Supreme Court.
Such people need real mental health help - not the woke videos about mental health our kids are shown at school.
NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc spent 2021-2024 denying that the Biden Administration had instituted de facto open borders, that the country had been flooded by millions of unvetted unknown strangers, and claimed that even if some of these masses included criminals and gangbangers, this was a small price to pay for compassion and "our values" (the foremost of which is low-wage labor), and only bigots notice anyway.
Now suddenly NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc are laser-focused on the migrants they spent years ignoring, cataloging every ICE fuckup and every sob story of a "local man" and his kids who are being sent home, making sure to omit whatever charges he may be facing, and absolutely making sure to omit that 1) there are thousands of criminals here with no papers, and any country would arrest and deport them; 2) they've spent years constantly crowing about Our Democracy™ yet the current Prez, however repulsive, ran and won on this issue and thus is actually fulfilling a campaign promise, however crudely and crassly; and 3) if they are opposed to federal immigration law, Our Democracy™ should run on this, win and change the law.
But the biggest question I have for the owners, editors and mouthpieces of NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc: how many migrants are you currently housing or sponsoring? How many of your vacation homes and spare bedrooms sit empty while you cry for the plight of the undocumented? How many members of your families have been hurt or worse by an illegal alien criminal?
Our MSM overclass believes only in their divine right to outsource all the costs and social rot, while privatizing all profits and hogging all virtue. Just don't try to make me believe they give a shit about any immigrants, legal or otherwise, unless they're serving them food or scrubbing their toilets. They only want us all to hate and fight each other, for their social and financial benefit. Social collapse is now their newest profit stream!
I wish it was made unavoidably clear that if authorities cooperated with ICE detainers that none of this would be necessary or happening. I would like someone to do a comparison study of ICE activity in a non-sanctuary state vs a "sanctuary" state (quotation marks due to the fact that it is against federal law to provide this so called sanctuary). I live in one of these states and I am appalled at some of the cretins that have been sent off into the ether of our society but it is par for the course in this place.
If that's the way things went down there wouldn't be the collateral damage of regular illegal aliens being swept up in the course of trying to find the criminals, the fact of their illegal presence itself a crime sufficient to warrant arrest.
Why can’t we walk and chew gum at the same time. The treatment of the Hmong man was bad. Apologies should be made. The church thing? How could anyone justify this? Especially public officials. Sick.
Did you notice that the main stream media was rightfully appaled at the treatment of Chongly Thao, but they seemed to endorse the interruption of worship service in the Chrisitan Church including insults of parishioners. That is also appaling yet it is a non-story to the NYT, WaPo etc.
Yes. Why cannot more of us understand that ICE both has a legitimate mandate and is at times alarmingly careless over its execution, that ChongLy Thao was appallingly treated, that Renee Good should not be dead but contributed significantly to that outcome for herself, that screaming at parishioners during their worship is despicable, shooting fish in a barrel?
All these things are true at the same time. That, apparently, is too much for the ideological brain to grasp. But those of us without those blinders can see it pretty clearly.
I think more of understand this than we think. We're not on the news. We just need to vote more wisely. That's how these (self described) knuckleheads got in office!
The problem is when any remotely wise-tangential options have been carefully weeded out of our options before voting starts, as with the past three general elections. Really since well before.
30-plus years ago I became resigned to the fact that the Democrats I voted for in primaries never made it to the ballot. Thereafter, I became independent and cannot vote in primaries at all.
In 2016, I dreamt of a Paul / Sanders choice (this was before Sanders sold out by performing anilingus on Hillary Clinton on screen before the nation). We got Trump / Clinton.
Churches were deemed non essential during Covid and shut down. That ass hat should try that kind of protest in a Catholic Church, where many kids and families of all races and social economics are present.
Or in the Midwest or south, where zillions of attendees carry firearms to defend their freedoms and their lives from the attacks seen daily in Africa and Europe.
Are we not supposed to notice that if Minneapolis cooperated with ICE and had turned over the criminals being sought, the Hmong man would have never been disturbed in a case of mistaken identity?
Cops go through the wrong door sometimes. It can’t just be forgotten, but it isn’t like they shot that guy, which has happened a few times. A very, very few times.
Don Lemon is such a self-indulgent virtue signaling fraud, often fired, always banging on the white supremacy drum, racists and Nazis ad nauseum. Pretending to do journalism.
Platforms aside, the competing narratives are camouflaging the real bottom line. Dems have no choice but to fight each and every deportation, as if their lives depend on it, because politically they do.
As even the NYT recently acknowledged, Reapportionment is going to make winning the House and WH much more difficult for Dems, going forward. Millions of voting Americans have fled from Blue States to Red ones. The wave may has slowed a bit, but it is not reversing. Biden migrants have greatly helped replace fleeing Blue state residents. The new arrivals cannot vote, but they count for the Census, which will determine Apportionment
A byproduct of the Big Sort, has been the Far Left wing of the Dem Party running roughshod in some Blue Cities, with more to follow. Many Blue cities abandoned by Reps and moderates due to taxes, cost, crime or single Party rule, now lack any real opposition. Without an opposition Party, Socialists on Steroids will soon be the norm, not the exception. That is unlikely to aid Dems in 2026, and it definitely will not help their 2028 WH aspirations.
Moreover, even if SCOTUS misses the deadline for this year's Midterms, a ruling on the Voting Rights Act will arrive eventually, and when it does, it is likely to aid Reps.
Democratic leadership is not stupid. They understand the above. That is why they work so hard to convince Dem Mothers, wrongly detaining a legally dwelling immigrant or citizen, briefly, is worse then allowing a convicted migrant child rapist to emerge from prison, free to stalk his next sodomy victim. In Dem world, the overriding priority is not removal of criminal migrants, but removal of as few total migrants, as possible.
The two stories are simply not comparable in terms of outrage.
There's no evidence that ICE was intentionally malicious in pursuing its sex offenders, and if they'd had the right guy (or he wasn't a Protected Class(TM)), the outrage would be nonexistent.
But this church invasion is unprecedented and horrible, the mainstream endorsement of it is a separate horror, and the muted response from right-wing institutions is a third.
Does Matt Taibbi mean to suggest that gross disparity in actual wrongness is another feature of the partisan divide?
If ICE did in fact break down Thao's door without a warrant, that's illegal and it needs to be punished. The Fourth Amendment matters.
The Church invasion is a different kind of horrible, because it targeted the pastor for being a member of ICE, *and* it may have terroistically threatened his parishioners too. It wasn't by government actors, but by what's effectively a vigilante group of leftists attempting to intimidate those they disagree with.
They should apologize to the wrongly identified man. None of us know why the man was not allowed to put clothes on. Maybe he didn't want to, who knows? Regardless, ICE should just be honest and say they made a mistake and apologize. I notice the family has a GoFundMe. And, barging into churches to pass your moral judgment while children are actively hiding their faces and crying and then FOLLOWING THEM TO THEIR CARS is beyond reprehensible and it says a lot about Minnesota that they have not been arrested or charged with state crimes. It bothers me that we have no control over what we see. Because no one wants to tell the whole truth from every angle, no one knows anything. The professional journalists are gone.
It is false for you to say it is unlawful for ICE to detain someone without a warrant. It is 100% wrong & does a disservice to your readers (as well as betraying to those who understand Title 8 removal processes that you don’t know what you are talking about). Article 3 judicial warrants are not used for Title 8 immigration detainers & removals.
ICE agents operate as an element of administrative due process, part of the Executive, not Judicial branch. They are not under the jurisdiction of Article 3 courts but rather the immigration courts established under Title 8 of the USC. ICE agents do not need or serve Art 3 judicial warrants. They are authorized by Congress to detain & remove illegal aliens lawfully under Final Orders of Removal (issued by an administrative Immigration Judge or IJ, or an order from the Board of Immigration Appeals or BIA), a Warrant of Removal/Deportation (Form I-205) signed by a DHS/ICE official or the USAG, as well as an Administrative Arrest Warrant (Form I-200), Expedited Removal Order, or Reinstated Removal Order also issued by a DHS official or IJ. ICE agents may also detail illegal aliens based on a Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien (Form I-213; an administrative form), Criminal Conviction Records establishing removability, or IDENT/biometric match tied to DHS immigration records. None of these require an Art 3 judge to sign anything, especially a judicial warrant.
ICE may also accept custody of an illegal alien from a holding facility run by state or local authorities using a Form I-247A, the ICE immigration detainer form (“Immigration Detainer – Notice of Action”).
This last is the linchpin of the current brouhaha in Minneapolis & elsewhere. An “ICE detainer” simply asks local authorities to hold a suspect already arrested for some other state or local crime & wanted by ICE for a separate immigration violation for 48 hours allowing for a safe & easy transfer of custody. The problem is that “sanctuary” locales prohibit their LEOs holding wanted illegal aliens to turn over to ICE, so they end up back on the street necessitating ICE searching them out, going to their homes or places of work. Rather than a quiet, safe, peaceful transfer in a county jail, officers must put their lives in jeopardy to pick up people outside in uncontrolled environments. There, anti-ICE agitators (who have no idea if the person ICE seeks is a Colombian drug lord or child sex abuser or drunk driver) put themselves in the position of being arrested or worse violating the law interfering with government law enforcement activities.
Looking for people outside of jail also greatly increases the likelihood others will be caught up in the net. If Juan, released with no cash bail pending his trial for sex trafficking, is looked for at his last known address, where Mario & Julio who are also in the US illegally are hanging with him, they will be detained & deported, too. Had Juan been transferred at the lockup, Mario & Julio might have lived in the US months or years longer.
A good journalist or writer would have mentioned in the story about Thao (since you think you are teaching people) that a) no judicial arrest warrant was needed, & b) one of the actual suspects used to live there.
Thanks for being a part of the misinformation machine run by outrage on SM.
This reads like Chatbot slop. In less time that it took to squeeze out this "what others are saying crap" you could have done very basic research into this story.
This is from just a little basic research.
From ChongLy Scott Thao's gofundme that has already raised $86,928 and counting (there is so much money at play in this game)
"Without showing a warrant or asking for identification..."
Here is ChongLy Scott Thao contradicting his own gofundme:
"...they asked me if I had my ID and I go yeah it's in the room and then my daughter in law tried to get my ID but they didn't want to see it no more."
Here ChongLy Scott Thao is quoted as saying he told his daughter in law not to open the door.
"ChongLy “Scott” Thao told the AP that his daughter-in-law woke him up from a nap Sunday afternoon and said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were banging at the door of his residence in St. Paul. He told her not to open it."
Make this make sense as to why he has now locked himself in his bedroom. He knows he is a citizen. Why is he hiding in his locked bedroom?
No one wants to fight naked. This is primal shit.
How in the world between the time he knows ICE is there and they bust down the door has he not gotten dressed. What the hell is he doing in his locked bedroom the whole time--besides getting dressed? Destroying evidence? What the fuck else does he have to do besides get dressed? It takes 15 seconds tops to put on pants and a shirt.
Thanks for the illuminating follow-up. Alas, this line of questioning takes more time than Tik Tok allows so this added dimension will never see the light of day.
Due to the decades in which many of us grew up, we'd been lulled into thinking that "neutralish' news is the rule, when it was very much an exception that had to do with the nature of television technology and control over it.
Decentralization always leads to silos, people most people don't really care about rifling through the rubble of a chaotic world for truth.
They care about reinforcing the worldview that they've constructed, and like a newspaper editor, will leave to the cutting room floor that which doesn't fit.
I suppose I would be considered one of a conservative viewpoint. Of late I would comment on someone’s post here on Substack that would be considered of a leftist viewpoint point only to have my comment and opposing points turn blue and not be posted. These folks have no stomach or any mechanism to deal viewpoints that undermine their held beliefs regardless of how far they wander from natural law. I do not see this ending well. How can it? How can a people with such polar, violently opposite views of the world we live in, work toward a goal of survival?
I’m only on X, but I saw both stories. One reason for that is even if you are in one camp or another, if there is a story that is bad for your camp you usually see people in your camp explaining why it isn’t a big deal or the situation was misreported.
> a former ACLU legal director, who declared the FACE Act should not apply, provided Cities Church members were not “barred from taking Communion or some other religious activity.” The ACLU has been silent on whether or not the Cities Church action constitutes protected First Amendment speech.
I formerly had a great deal of respect for the ACLU. Now I know, to my chagrin, that the right-wingers were right to mock the ACLU as "the American Criminal Liberties Union."
So this (granted, former) ACLU legal director wants to split hairs by claiming that interrupting the taking of Communion might violate FACE, but that interrupting a pastor's sermon to his flock does not?
And didn't Minnesota's Attorney General Keith Ellison want the DOJ to prosecute people under FACE for filming *outside* Muslim masjids?
It's always Two Tier "Justice" with the Left, it's never what's done but always who is doing it, that determines what is or isn't legal for the Left.
As for Thao, ICE needs to show better discipline and restraint. It's illegal and embarrassing when they fail to get warrants, brak down doors, arrest the wrong people in their underwear. Do the job, but do it professionally and legally.
Trump was elected to *end* the chaos and the misuse of Federal authority.
The ACLU operates as a Democrat Party SuperPAC.
Yes.
The ACLU jumped the shark. Just look at Kate/Chase Strangio.
The ACLU pussied out, because they collectively had even fewer balls than Chase.
Ha! They are no better than the SPLC now.
Just for the record, her real name is Kate. "Chase" is made up. Oddly, I think that the last name of Strange-io is legit. Weird and Strange!
"Kate Strangio from Grinnell College and Newton, MA"
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/programs-and-events/history-scholar-program-winners
I think that she threw the parents who named her Kate and raised her under the bus which is a thing now. She sounds like she's on Helium with the testosterone drugging. She was a total idiot before the Supreme Court.
Such people need real mental health help - not the woke videos about mental health our kids are shown at school.
In short: кто кого
Who to whom, as per Lenin. The ACLU has picked sides and it ain't America.
NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc spent 2021-2024 denying that the Biden Administration had instituted de facto open borders, that the country had been flooded by millions of unvetted unknown strangers, and claimed that even if some of these masses included criminals and gangbangers, this was a small price to pay for compassion and "our values" (the foremost of which is low-wage labor), and only bigots notice anyway.
Now suddenly NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc are laser-focused on the migrants they spent years ignoring, cataloging every ICE fuckup and every sob story of a "local man" and his kids who are being sent home, making sure to omit whatever charges he may be facing, and absolutely making sure to omit that 1) there are thousands of criminals here with no papers, and any country would arrest and deport them; 2) they've spent years constantly crowing about Our Democracy™ yet the current Prez, however repulsive, ran and won on this issue and thus is actually fulfilling a campaign promise, however crudely and crassly; and 3) if they are opposed to federal immigration law, Our Democracy™ should run on this, win and change the law.
But the biggest question I have for the owners, editors and mouthpieces of NBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, USA Today, AP, BBC, NYT etc: how many migrants are you currently housing or sponsoring? How many of your vacation homes and spare bedrooms sit empty while you cry for the plight of the undocumented? How many members of your families have been hurt or worse by an illegal alien criminal?
Our MSM overclass believes only in their divine right to outsource all the costs and social rot, while privatizing all profits and hogging all virtue. Just don't try to make me believe they give a shit about any immigrants, legal or otherwise, unless they're serving them food or scrubbing their toilets. They only want us all to hate and fight each other, for their social and financial benefit. Social collapse is now their newest profit stream!
I wish it was made unavoidably clear that if authorities cooperated with ICE detainers that none of this would be necessary or happening. I would like someone to do a comparison study of ICE activity in a non-sanctuary state vs a "sanctuary" state (quotation marks due to the fact that it is against federal law to provide this so called sanctuary). I live in one of these states and I am appalled at some of the cretins that have been sent off into the ether of our society but it is par for the course in this place.
Tom Homan recently stated, “'Let us in the jail. Stop being a sanctuary jurisdiction, sanctuary state, sanctuary city. Give us access to your jail so we can arrest these criminals in the safety and security of the jail. That way, we don’t have to go into the neighborhood and find them,' Homan said." https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/crime/4421303/tom-homan-offers-pull-ice-from-minneapolis-if-allowed-access-jails/
If that's the way things went down there wouldn't be the collateral damage of regular illegal aliens being swept up in the course of trying to find the criminals, the fact of their illegal presence itself a crime sufficient to warrant arrest.
Duh.
—I wish it was made unavoidably clear that if authorities cooperated with ICE detainers that none of this would be necessary or happening.
same, but that would require sanity, common sense and an allegiance to facts over tribal narratives and their monetization. thus it seems doubtful.
Twitter files is not only about twitter.
Why can’t we walk and chew gum at the same time. The treatment of the Hmong man was bad. Apologies should be made. The church thing? How could anyone justify this? Especially public officials. Sick.
Did you notice that the main stream media was rightfully appaled at the treatment of Chongly Thao, but they seemed to endorse the interruption of worship service in the Chrisitan Church including insults of parishioners. That is also appaling yet it is a non-story to the NYT, WaPo etc.
Yes. Why cannot more of us understand that ICE both has a legitimate mandate and is at times alarmingly careless over its execution, that ChongLy Thao was appallingly treated, that Renee Good should not be dead but contributed significantly to that outcome for herself, that screaming at parishioners during their worship is despicable, shooting fish in a barrel?
All these things are true at the same time. That, apparently, is too much for the ideological brain to grasp. But those of us without those blinders can see it pretty clearly.
I think more of understand this than we think. We're not on the news. We just need to vote more wisely. That's how these (self described) knuckleheads got in office!
The problem is when any remotely wise-tangential options have been carefully weeded out of our options before voting starts, as with the past three general elections. Really since well before.
30-plus years ago I became resigned to the fact that the Democrats I voted for in primaries never made it to the ballot. Thereafter, I became independent and cannot vote in primaries at all.
In 2016, I dreamt of a Paul / Sanders choice (this was before Sanders sold out by performing anilingus on Hillary Clinton on screen before the nation). We got Trump / Clinton.
Enough said, res ipsa loquitur.
Churches were deemed non essential during Covid and shut down. That ass hat should try that kind of protest in a Catholic Church, where many kids and families of all races and social economics are present.
Or in the Midwest or south, where zillions of attendees carry firearms to defend their freedoms and their lives from the attacks seen daily in Africa and Europe.
Are we not supposed to notice that if Minneapolis cooperated with ICE and had turned over the criminals being sought, the Hmong man would have never been disturbed in a case of mistaken identity?
If the agents got it wrong, they got it wrong.
Cops go through the wrong door sometimes. It can’t just be forgotten, but it isn’t like they shot that guy, which has happened a few times. A very, very few times.
Don Lemon is such a self-indulgent virtue signaling fraud, often fired, always banging on the white supremacy drum, racists and Nazis ad nauseum. Pretending to do journalism.
Don Lemon is turning into Jesse Jackson.
He wishes. He's turning into Jussie Smollett.
Wasn’t Dorsey completely complicit with the censorship industrial complex?
Maybe he’s not the best single source to tap for commentary on a political divide in social media?
Dorsey and the odious Vijaya Gadde, general counsel and the head of legal, policy, and trust at Twitter.
It looked more like a case of nonfeasance.
He didn’t know how to solve the problem so he let it continue.
Platforms aside, the competing narratives are camouflaging the real bottom line. Dems have no choice but to fight each and every deportation, as if their lives depend on it, because politically they do.
As even the NYT recently acknowledged, Reapportionment is going to make winning the House and WH much more difficult for Dems, going forward. Millions of voting Americans have fled from Blue States to Red ones. The wave may has slowed a bit, but it is not reversing. Biden migrants have greatly helped replace fleeing Blue state residents. The new arrivals cannot vote, but they count for the Census, which will determine Apportionment
A byproduct of the Big Sort, has been the Far Left wing of the Dem Party running roughshod in some Blue Cities, with more to follow. Many Blue cities abandoned by Reps and moderates due to taxes, cost, crime or single Party rule, now lack any real opposition. Without an opposition Party, Socialists on Steroids will soon be the norm, not the exception. That is unlikely to aid Dems in 2026, and it definitely will not help their 2028 WH aspirations.
Moreover, even if SCOTUS misses the deadline for this year's Midterms, a ruling on the Voting Rights Act will arrive eventually, and when it does, it is likely to aid Reps.
Democratic leadership is not stupid. They understand the above. That is why they work so hard to convince Dem Mothers, wrongly detaining a legally dwelling immigrant or citizen, briefly, is worse then allowing a convicted migrant child rapist to emerge from prison, free to stalk his next sodomy victim. In Dem world, the overriding priority is not removal of criminal migrants, but removal of as few total migrants, as possible.
How many minutes will the filibuster last when Schumer takes over?
The two stories are simply not comparable in terms of outrage.
There's no evidence that ICE was intentionally malicious in pursuing its sex offenders, and if they'd had the right guy (or he wasn't a Protected Class(TM)), the outrage would be nonexistent.
But this church invasion is unprecedented and horrible, the mainstream endorsement of it is a separate horror, and the muted response from right-wing institutions is a third.
Does Matt Taibbi mean to suggest that gross disparity in actual wrongness is another feature of the partisan divide?
If ICE did in fact break down Thao's door without a warrant, that's illegal and it needs to be punished. The Fourth Amendment matters.
The Church invasion is a different kind of horrible, because it targeted the pastor for being a member of ICE, *and* it may have terroistically threatened his parishioners too. It wasn't by government actors, but by what's effectively a vigilante group of leftists attempting to intimidate those they disagree with.
They should apologize to the wrongly identified man. None of us know why the man was not allowed to put clothes on. Maybe he didn't want to, who knows? Regardless, ICE should just be honest and say they made a mistake and apologize. I notice the family has a GoFundMe. And, barging into churches to pass your moral judgment while children are actively hiding their faces and crying and then FOLLOWING THEM TO THEIR CARS is beyond reprehensible and it says a lot about Minnesota that they have not been arrested or charged with state crimes. It bothers me that we have no control over what we see. Because no one wants to tell the whole truth from every angle, no one knows anything. The professional journalists are gone.
Are We Getting the Full Story in Minneapolis? 15 Reader Pushbacks to the Racket Report Taibbi Shared. https://turfseer.substack.com/p/are-we-getting-the-full-story-in
Thanks - useful highlighting.
It is false for you to say it is unlawful for ICE to detain someone without a warrant. It is 100% wrong & does a disservice to your readers (as well as betraying to those who understand Title 8 removal processes that you don’t know what you are talking about). Article 3 judicial warrants are not used for Title 8 immigration detainers & removals.
ICE agents operate as an element of administrative due process, part of the Executive, not Judicial branch. They are not under the jurisdiction of Article 3 courts but rather the immigration courts established under Title 8 of the USC. ICE agents do not need or serve Art 3 judicial warrants. They are authorized by Congress to detain & remove illegal aliens lawfully under Final Orders of Removal (issued by an administrative Immigration Judge or IJ, or an order from the Board of Immigration Appeals or BIA), a Warrant of Removal/Deportation (Form I-205) signed by a DHS/ICE official or the USAG, as well as an Administrative Arrest Warrant (Form I-200), Expedited Removal Order, or Reinstated Removal Order also issued by a DHS official or IJ. ICE agents may also detail illegal aliens based on a Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien (Form I-213; an administrative form), Criminal Conviction Records establishing removability, or IDENT/biometric match tied to DHS immigration records. None of these require an Art 3 judge to sign anything, especially a judicial warrant.
ICE may also accept custody of an illegal alien from a holding facility run by state or local authorities using a Form I-247A, the ICE immigration detainer form (“Immigration Detainer – Notice of Action”).
This last is the linchpin of the current brouhaha in Minneapolis & elsewhere. An “ICE detainer” simply asks local authorities to hold a suspect already arrested for some other state or local crime & wanted by ICE for a separate immigration violation for 48 hours allowing for a safe & easy transfer of custody. The problem is that “sanctuary” locales prohibit their LEOs holding wanted illegal aliens to turn over to ICE, so they end up back on the street necessitating ICE searching them out, going to their homes or places of work. Rather than a quiet, safe, peaceful transfer in a county jail, officers must put their lives in jeopardy to pick up people outside in uncontrolled environments. There, anti-ICE agitators (who have no idea if the person ICE seeks is a Colombian drug lord or child sex abuser or drunk driver) put themselves in the position of being arrested or worse violating the law interfering with government law enforcement activities.
Looking for people outside of jail also greatly increases the likelihood others will be caught up in the net. If Juan, released with no cash bail pending his trial for sex trafficking, is looked for at his last known address, where Mario & Julio who are also in the US illegally are hanging with him, they will be detained & deported, too. Had Juan been transferred at the lockup, Mario & Julio might have lived in the US months or years longer.
A good journalist or writer would have mentioned in the story about Thao (since you think you are teaching people) that a) no judicial arrest warrant was needed, & b) one of the actual suspects used to live there.
Thanks for being a part of the misinformation machine run by outrage on SM.
This reads like Chatbot slop. In less time that it took to squeeze out this "what others are saying crap" you could have done very basic research into this story.
This is from just a little basic research.
From ChongLy Scott Thao's gofundme that has already raised $86,928 and counting (there is so much money at play in this game)
"Without showing a warrant or asking for identification..."
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-chonglys-family-after-ice-raid-trauma
Here is ChongLy Scott Thao contradicting his own gofundme:
"...they asked me if I had my ID and I go yeah it's in the room and then my daughter in law tried to get my ID but they didn't want to see it no more."
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qi2ew6/us_citizen_shares_his_experience_of_being_taken/
And here is Here is ChongLy Scott Thao with another story about his ID:
"They drove me all the way to Minneapolis I don't know where. My son grabbed my ID show it to them. They just said OK your're good. So they free me."
How did his son find him when in custody when even he didn't know where he was? And his son shows up with his ID and and then that was the end of it?
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/associated-press_federal-immigrations-agents-forced-open-a-activity-7419483454280720384-uVff
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Here ChongLy Scott Thao is quoted as saying he told his daughter in law not to open the door.
"ChongLy “Scott” Thao told the AP that his daughter-in-law woke him up from a nap Sunday afternoon and said that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents were banging at the door of his residence in St. Paul. He told her not to open it."
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/20/chongly-scott-thao-says-ice-removed-him-from-home-in-his-underwear-after-warrantless-search
Here ChongLy Scott Thao says,
"...about 1:30, daughter in law came in the room and said that, there's an ICE out there so I lock my bedroom..."
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qi2ew6/us_citizen_shares_his_experience_of_being_taken/
Make this make sense as to why he has now locked himself in his bedroom. He knows he is a citizen. Why is he hiding in his locked bedroom?
No one wants to fight naked. This is primal shit.
How in the world between the time he knows ICE is there and they bust down the door has he not gotten dressed. What the hell is he doing in his locked bedroom the whole time--besides getting dressed? Destroying evidence? What the fuck else does he have to do besides get dressed? It takes 15 seconds tops to put on pants and a shirt.
Make this make sense.
Thanks for the illuminating follow-up. Alas, this line of questioning takes more time than Tik Tok allows so this added dimension will never see the light of day.
Due to the decades in which many of us grew up, we'd been lulled into thinking that "neutralish' news is the rule, when it was very much an exception that had to do with the nature of television technology and control over it.
Decentralization always leads to silos, people most people don't really care about rifling through the rubble of a chaotic world for truth.
They care about reinforcing the worldview that they've constructed, and like a newspaper editor, will leave to the cutting room floor that which doesn't fit.
I suppose I would be considered one of a conservative viewpoint. Of late I would comment on someone’s post here on Substack that would be considered of a leftist viewpoint point only to have my comment and opposing points turn blue and not be posted. These folks have no stomach or any mechanism to deal viewpoints that undermine their held beliefs regardless of how far they wander from natural law. I do not see this ending well. How can it? How can a people with such polar, violently opposite views of the world we live in, work toward a goal of survival?
I’m only on X, but I saw both stories. One reason for that is even if you are in one camp or another, if there is a story that is bad for your camp you usually see people in your camp explaining why it isn’t a big deal or the situation was misreported.
That is true on the Right, but not nearly so much on the Left.