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joseph orban,jr's avatar

Gosh, maybe that’s why Fauci wanted a pardon back to 14 cover all the steps

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Danno's avatar

Anyone remember the case of Charles Lieber, the Harvard biology professor who was busted for covering up his ties with the Wuhan laboratory while working on a $15 million US military contract? The story broke in 2020 and I paid close attention to it because there were already rumors of some kind of outbreak happening in China. Once the p(l)andemic panic started in the media I was immediately suspicious. At the time I thought no way that either China or the US has clean hands in this. Nothing that has happened since has changed my mind.

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Kelly C.'s avatar

Somewhere in the chaos of memories of that early time, I remember reading or hearing somewhere early on, perhaps in a podcast we listened to with "Zdog" aka Dr Rubin Zumania, and a virologist he was interviewing, I heard that the Wuhan lab was the likely source of the virus. I was coordinating home care for my ailing father and talking with his one of caregiver who showed me a photo of the wet market and said that's where they thought the outbreak started. And I said, no, it was from the lab in Wuhan.

I hadn't been watching cable news for years before then, nor since, but the the idea of a wild virus coming out of a wet market when there was a lab in Wuhan that was working on similar viruses, made no sense. But the wet market story had traction, and was already well underway. My father and his wife had heard enough government BS in their very long lives that they waived it off the whole masking thing and only begrudgingly got their two covid shots. Crazy, stupid times. And divisive. I resent those years.

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Belling the Cat's avatar

I have to ration the stories I read on these topics because I am still so angry. At the actions, the damage, the useful idiots, the ongoing stupidity.

I made it home from India in Jan 2020 and we shored up our preparedness (for ice storms, hurricanes, general mayhem) prudently and suggested it to a few others. Feels like those were the last sane conversations we had for a couple of years.

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Craig Miller's avatar

You are not alone in your anger I assure you. There are many many of us.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Must be frustrating being angry at the entire planet, since every nation more or less behaved the same way.

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Craig Miller's avatar

Yes it is. But the whole situation comes down to a few really bad people, not the whole planet.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

The whole situation comes down to a rogue piece of DNA, if you really must know. Can you really be deluded enough to think that you are going to find a trace a conspiracy here and trace it back to its roots? Were you a 9/11 Truther before this? A UFO investigator? A ghost hunter?

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Belling the Cat's avatar

Not at all; wrong in every word, including "the".

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Danno's avatar

That's what's so scary about it. And the nations which didn't comply? Didn't four or five African leaders who opposed mass vaccination die in suspicious circumstances?

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

I’m sorry, but… “comply”? Comply with whom? There is no supervening authority over any nation state :)

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Danno's avatar

We watched in horror as the entire world seemed to lock down over . . . literally nothing. We watched history unfold in a way we never expected. When we raised our voices in opposition or even had a hint of skepticism we were deplatformed, deamplified, shadowbanned, and told to our faces to stop talking like that. We lost friends.

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Kelly C.'s avatar

And were distanced by family members. I had to talk down a very anxious relative over fears that getting EMTs to at least look at his elderly mother's leg sore would not involve all of them being dragged off to FEMA tents, somewhere never to be seen again. She was treated and released. People lived in fear of each other. Neighbors spoke to each other through doors cracked open. I'm not discounting the seriousness of the virus at first, but it became a phobia for many.

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trembo slice's avatar

It baffles me to this day that suggesting gain-of-function research was conducted at a shoddy lab and their work inadvertently got out is somehow racists, but, suggesting the virus emanated naturally in a wet market somehow is not.

One of those sounds like a scientific experiment gone awry… one seems like eating bbq in Port-au-Prince is a safer bet. Who is the target audience of these narratives? I swear, I’m not hyper-intelligent… just massively hung… but seeing all these dummies eat up these stories… I’m the greatest human being to ever live… and so humble too!

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I think the Social Justice Warriors would say that suggesting (actually, stating as a fact) that it came from a wet market isn't racist because it's not racist to be pissed at some rogue bats. They miss the point about who shops at those markets.

Since the virus came from China, anything could be twisted as racist.

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baker charlie's avatar

Thank you for bringing up Lieber. There were a bunch of shennanigans involving him and a bunch of Chinese lab employees/students in the US and CA during that time period. Like the not so suss arrest of the guy in Canada trying to smuggle viruses out.

It just struck me so weird that all of that was going on at the same time.

And all that crazyness at the beginning of covid with Chinese being filmed basically wiping boogers on stuff at Best Buy, etc,

A lot of people didn't hear about these things at the time, and they are rarely brought up even now. Lieber, et al, deserve more attention. Especially since whoever was pulling Lieber's leash has never been thouroughly investigated.

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Becky Scott's avatar

I remember the Lieber case! I couldn’t shake how strange the whole “ten thousand talents” framing of the charges was. I’ve looked him up several times over the past several years to see where is case was, and discovered that he was being treated for cancer. The other part of his story that I found fascinating was that his area of research was biomedical nanotech- even injectable mesh nano tech.

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Terms of Service's avatar

He is now in China.

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Becky Scott's avatar

The perfect environment for his kind of research.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Please please please please make this the thing that finally shows the American people what that little rat fuck Fauci did to our nation.

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Jala's avatar

Support senator Rand Paul in his endeavor to prosecute Fauci

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Wait… is he to blame for the virus or the vaccine? I keep forgetting where he fits in the conspiracy.

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Craig Miller's avatar

Fauci's NIAID provided the grant funding to develop the virus in the Wuhan lab. Barric was the go between Daszak of Eco Health Alliance (EHA) and Wuhan, who procured the grant from Fauci... Fauci gives the money to Daszak, who hires the Wuhan lab, Barric works with Wuhan to produce the SARS CO V-2 virus which caused the pandemic. I'd bet the house it was deliberate and no accidental release. The Jabs were already patented by the time the pandemic began. Then Fauci lied to congress about providing the funding. Openly lied about it. It has now been proven he lied. He's your #1 guy. Then there's Peter Daszak, and then there is Barric.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

You'll "bet the house" that the United States and China worked together to release a bio-weapon on Chinese soil?

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Danno's avatar

Yes. I'm not sure the release was intentional, but almost certainly China and the US were both doing bioweapon research at the Wuhan lab, and so far it's one of the more rational explanations for everything that happened.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Yeah, that tracks: China and her biggest competitor were both building bio-weapons for their respective nations in a major Chinese city. Sorta like how Russia built their first hydrogen bomb at Los Alamos.

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Craig Miller's avatar

Yes. Things don't always go as planned.

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Salusa Secundus Snape's avatar

Go ahead. Explain "the plan" in logical detail.

(BTW, one of Matt's funniest pieces ever was dissecting the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy for the benefit of Truthers. If you fuck this up, I will encourage Matt to do the same to you, for the sake of your own sanity.)

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Diane's avatar

Makes total sense!

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JD Free's avatar

But Wikipedia tells me that the Daily Caller is an unreliable source! :P

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Jamie's avatar

We learned in 2024 that Fauci summoned Ralph Baric to his office in February 2020. Two years later, Fauci has this to say about Baric under oath, while being deposed: https://youtu.be/juWeax7rki4?t=83

Why are so many people incapable of seeing the psychopathy at work in this evil elf? His manner of dissembling is maddeningly transparent, so how the F can people pretend to not see it???

Do you know Ralph Baric?

"Well, I meet thousands of scientists..."

Do you know Shi Zhengli?

"Well, I get confused by Asian names...."

Arrrrrggghhh. How the F is this disaster of a human being not in prison???

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

When you look at Covid-19 as the global human experiment that Covid was, Solomon Asch could have predicted the outcome in the 1950s.

In his conformity experiment, less than 25% of the people are strong enough in their own opinions/beliefs that they won’t conform to what they know is wrong, while the majority (mob) – conform, no matter how outlandish the idea. It’s crazy to think that nearly 70% bow down to mob opinion. But, that's what happened.

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Atlandea's avatar

It was astonishing to me that the most educated people around me were the ones who fell for every lie without questioning anything.

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Art's avatar

Of course people believed the lies. It was a massive, sophisticated operation in which every single source the average person encountered told them the lies and every source that told the truth was suppressed and censored. From the WHO to the US government to scientists and public health officials to your personal physician, everyone told you lies, or repeated lies that they were told. Globally. 99% of people never heard any contrary information and if they did all the “experts” pounced on it as “disinformation”.

It’s not productive to slam the public who were the victims of this operation. It would be productive to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice. We’ll see if the current administration is up to the task.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Excellent comment. Thanks for writing it.

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Wendy H's avatar

There was real information out there. You could see that highly qualified people getting censored and labeled. We are raising lemmings in the US.

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Charles Main's avatar

And elsewhere. Nothing unique about the US there, regardless of our arrogant claims of exceptionalism.

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Wendy H's avatar

Actually the US is exceptional. That is why millions want to come here. That, is proof. What do you have?

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Charles Main's avatar

Exceptional lemmings?

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Danno's avatar

I can't help but slam the public without mercy whether it's productive or not.

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Atlandea's avatar

It appears to me from my disadvantaged school of hard knocks that higher ed leaves something to be desired when it comes to critical thinking as well as poo pooing the value of intuition. I knew the minute the media blamed a pandemic on the wet market that something was very wrong.

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BookWench's avatar

It was bizarre, for sure.

Sneering members of the educated class led the mobs who condemned those of us who questioned the official story on Covid.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

"Sneering" is definitely the correct word for these cretins.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

The more educated, the more likely the adherence to dogma.

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michael888's avatar

As a retired researcher I think most good scientists are iconoclasts and skeptics. I know all my circle of scientists were censored for any questioning and dissent during Covid. Discussion, often heated, is essential to science. Basic concepts, not really dogma but well known for viral infections-- such as ADE, OAS and superiority of natural infection immunity (if surviving the infection) were dismissed by Fauci and the CDC and only supporting evidence for the "Official Narrative" was allowed. Many jobs were threatened. It was difficult to process and believe. Still don't understand the possible agendas of the "Official Scientists" involved.

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Val's avatar

"natural infection immunity". I think of the recent ostrich slaughter in Canada. A flock of over 300 birds had survived bird flu, for almost a full year. Their immune systems should have been studied, for natural immunity. RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz requested this of the Canadian government, formally, in writing. But last week, Canada slaughtered all of the birds, extremely cruelly, and destroyed their carcasses and eggs. There might have been a natural vaccine breakthrough. BUT Canada did the slaughter, with huge police presence, and at huge cost. Very cruel. Canada now is buying 500,000 doses of a new bird flu vaccine being manufactured by GSK, in Quebec.

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michael888's avatar

There is so much we don't know about natural infection immunity. Antibodies are just one part of the immune system, better studied than most, but cellular immunity including the lowly innate macrophage immunity still has surprises as does the acute phage response. Sometimes it seems that immunity is just a list of parts that med students have to learn to pass exams. Our immune system led to how humans evolved long before drugs and vaccines.

I was shocked how the CDC dismissed such basic immunological concepts as ADE (a major reason why you don't vaccinate during an outbreak. The Bat Lady was an author on an ADE paper with a coronavirus in 2019 (?; or thereabouts). ADE was likely why the CDC refused to count people as "officially vaccinated" until two weeks after the second jab); OAS (a major advantage of surviving most viral infections is your immune system gets cross-immunity to ALL the antigens of the virus. I survived an infection in late 2019 fairly sure it was Covid, no more infections while some of my vaccinated family was repeatedly laid out with Covid. Using one antigen (the Spike Protein)-- given systemically rather than through the pharyngeal system like the real virus-- was inviting re-infection by escape mutated strains of SARS-Cov2. My concern, still unanswered, was whether the massive Wuhan Spike Protein antibody response if vaccinated would interfere with natural infection immunity); early on several veterinary experts dismissed the prospects for a coronavirus vaccine based mostly on antibody responses since they arise slowly and disappear quickly. Researchers in Singapore showed in 2020 that T cell immune responses were still present in the original SARS patients from 2004 (along with many patients with presumed other common cold coronavirus infections). While you might still get slightly sick (natural immunity is not Black White, but it was much superior to the Pfizer double jab as Gazit et all tried to publish in 2021; censored of course but a preprint "escaped" and was circulated among researchers ("samizdat").

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Ann Robinson's avatar

Could be that "official scientists" are more driven by ego than science. I think of them as politician-entrepreneurs.

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michael888's avatar

True. And many are more driven by career than intellectual/ scientific curiosity.

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Ann Robinson's avatar

That,s what I meant, but "career" gets to the point!

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

is true yet sort of odd and counterintuitive, right?

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Charles Main's avatar

To academic dogma. Every demographic has their own belief systems. (Possibly even yours ;-).

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

The problem is when people start thinking that there’s not even a minuscule chance that they could wrong. Hence Dogma.

Becoming familiar with Robert Anton Wilson of “I do not believe anything” Maybe Logic fame is a good start…

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Charles Main's avatar

Logic fame? Something from Wilson? Typo?

I believe in the power of faith--for better or for worse.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

“Maybe Logic” is a documentary about Robert Anton Wilson a 20th Century philosopher/polymath. You might get a kick out of his book Quantum Psychology, and Cosmic Trigger Volume 1 if you’re not faint of heart😇

I believe God helps those that help themselves. That and I have no clue as to how it all works and happen to be fine with the knowledge that I don’t know.

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Mattlongname's avatar

We tend to think better educated means better at everything, including better advised.

Then it turns out all educated people are advised by the same small group of untrustworthy selfish "leaders". The ones who take it at face value look foolish.

...and that just the good faith argument lol

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JD Free's avatar

"Most educated" is the key phrasing.

These were the "most educated" people. Not the smartest. Not the most knowledgable. The "most educated".

They are an indictment of our "education" system.

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Gulag de Cali's avatar

"Most schooled," perhaps?

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michael888's avatar

My father used to say that some people were educated beyond their intelligence level.

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Catherine Andrews's avatar

Your father was wise and funny.

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Danno's avatar

Most conformist.

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Dollars4Dummies's avatar

The word educate comes from the Latin educere, which means to lead (or be led). The most educated are the most easily led. Suggestible.

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Charles Main's avatar

Not quite. Latin ēdūcere (“to lead, draw or take out, forth or away”)

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Tom Christenbury's avatar

Thats because many of those very educated people have jobs they dont want to lose. In many cases very good incomes with those jobs. And we all know how conspiracy -mongers get treated by employers for whipping folks into a frenzy. The average to smart person keeps their mouth shut when they dont have enough information to know something is true, and just short of having empirical evidence is a good place to begin to open your mouth. When did that moment arrive?

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

100% - and saying that is supposedly "racist/fascist" now.

Midwestern doctor explains why so many educated people can not think analytically – and no surprise – it’s our education system or lack thereof: https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/the-importance-of-balanced-intelligence?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Indecisive decider's avatar

That is because most educated people are less skeptical and too trusting of authority figures. As a result, they are some of the most obedient.

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Charles Main's avatar

Such people have not actually been educated. Just trained.

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Judith Cohen's avatar

And still do

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Madjack's avatar

Credentialed

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David Atkinson's avatar

It was made into a marker of status to be above certain beliefs, which is what made it work so well. On the issue of Pandemic, I did it myself and shamed those who shared the video. In my defense, the video was bogus, but on the other hand I used a stupid technique that makes the world dumber and more emotionally charged.

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Danno's avatar

The "educated" people are the most heavily indoctrinated. The Blob has gained control of the system, and it favors conformists.

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Audit_EDIT_v1's avatar

I and many others were ostracized and made out to be loony, in my first three months with a new job, all for being cautious and skeptical

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Lisa's avatar

They were actually the worst, to my surprise.

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Garrett's avatar

That is an over-simplification. There were very real threats and enticements being made during the Wuhan Flu era-all in contravention to the Geneva Conventions and Nuremberg Protocol. Additionally, the sheer volume of disinformation, censorship, and fear-mongering from then-trusted organizations weighted the global population heavily toward their agenda.

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Catherine Andrews's avatar

Then how do you account for the nearly 30% of us who did not comply?

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Garrett's avatar

I’m saying that the mob allegory is an oversimplification-I didn’t even mention the multi-year campaign: mobs are always short-lived. I didn’t mention that mobs are always a tiny percentage of a population. A multi-year, majority percentage of the populace is not a mob.

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Elisheva Levin's avatar

I continue to be appalled about the people working in my field. Today, there was an article about the Nazi doctors and the Nuremberg trials at MedPage Today. Most of the comments clearly indicated that the medical personnel saw no connection between what most of them did out of fear and outright hatred toward those who refused the jab, and what the Nazi doctors did. Although I read what many a medical worker said and did to force people to take an unknown, experimental drug during the covid years, many of those same people could not square the circle between what the Nazi doctors did, and what they did when confronted with the same fear and the desire to conform. In human subjects' research, we have had many additional layers of protection for the subject. And yet, when fear enters the equation all of those noble plans are scrapped in favor of lies, pressure, threats, and brute force. The desire to conform and the desire to dominate exists within every human soul.

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

The idea that too many doctors no longer First, Do No Harm has been plaguing me for decades, and when researching the issue, I found out that nearly half of medical students are taking anti-depressants/stimulants:

https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/first-do-no-harm

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Catherine Andrews's avatar

First-Do-No-Pharm

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

Nailed it!

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Ann Robinson's avatar

This is horrifying and might partially explain the sad state of the current medical profession, but not whether cause or result. I followed your link to Dr Wibble (https://www.idealmedicalcare.org/75-med-students-antidepressants-stimulants/), who remarks the "torment" of medical training and practice. She refers pointedly to "the root of the problem—the great sickness in medical education" but fails to name the sickness.

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Elisheva Levin's avatar

Thanks, Liz.

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RSgva's avatar

They ought to add an analysis of the Nuremberg Code to medical school teaching requirements. When you read the principles, you realize it goes away beyond injecting someone in a concentration camp.

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Ann Robinson's avatar

The primal tension, so fascinatingly consistent from earliest childhood until the deathbed moment when energy fails.

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Tricia's avatar

High school teaches you this. Not the curriculum. The other students.

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Ann Robinson's avatar

Middle school functions as the hellish introduction.

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Elisheva Levin's avatar

Thank you. You nailed it.

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Danno's avatar

This is what plants the seeds of tyranny. Convince people that everyone else is doing something, and then they will be much more likely to do it. It's also a central tenet of advertising.

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richard cunningham's avatar

Solomon Asch was unfortunately spot on. In spite of all the time and information available, people are still driving around wearing masks and taking a bogus vaccine.

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Dave's avatar

Covid origins and Russiagate are the biggest stories of the decade. Because they go directly to the fundamental question of whether government and its associated institutions, as currently constituted, are the problem or the solution.

Do we need more technocratic managerialism? Or are the technocratic managerialists causing the very problems they purport to be protecting us from?

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Danno's avatar

Or is the Biden Regency and its coverup the biggest story of the decade? Or how about the stolen 2020 election, or the J6 setup to prevent Congressional debate on it? The 2020s may someday be remembered as one of the most pivotal decades in history.

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Dave's avatar

Those are all good entrants for story of the decade too. I emphasize Russiagate and Covid origins because I think the evidence around those two stories is more clear cut, and include paper trails that pretty well expose what happened. J6 and the 2020 election are quite a bit more convoluted.

President Autopen was just so obvious in real time that there wasn’t much of an op to write home about. It was more of a bizarre social phenomenon of everyone just pretending not to see what was right in front of their faces than it was a sophisticated psyop.

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Elisheva Levin's avatar

IMHO, we need a lot less technocracy, and a lot more individual enterprise.

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Craig Miller's avatar

The latter

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Excellent question

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David 1260's avatar

Bingo! Yes, that is the fundamental question.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

We’re gonna get it whether we like it or not unfortunately. AI will only get us there faster…

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ConcernedCitUSA's avatar

The only unanswered question is "was it intentionally released and timed to mess with the election?".

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Danno's avatar

Mail-in ballots. Who ever thought that was a good idea?

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BookWench's avatar

The DNC.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You know who….

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Bobby's avatar

Agreed as Trump was well on his way of winning in 2020 as the economy was booming

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Mattlongname's avatar

I always say "it would make perfect sense if"...a person with deep state ties visited the wuhan lab and dropped a vial in an unprotected environment.

Doesnt mean it happened, but it would make perfect sense.

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Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

Occam’s Test Tube.

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WI Patriot's avatar

The ultimate TDS. Oh man, this would be the frame job of the century and sadly I thought about this as well. As time goes by the chances of learning the truth fades away. People have a hard time admitting they were wrong but some people instictually know when they're getting played. We know.

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Bobby's avatar

I totally agree with everything you stated...but you would always think that someone on the left, who knew, would have a conscience & say 'This is Wrong" no matter how much we hate Trump

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Amy Kennedy's avatar

I would not be surprised if they released it on purpose to hinder the rest of Trump's first term and the election.

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Ali Lynn's avatar

Based on democrats trying to say concern about it was racist (i.e. Pelosi's hug a

Chinese person crusade in January) I don't think it was released deliberately. I do believe that they realized the opportunity it created once Trump got on board the "nothingburger" train and they had no choice but to change their stance. It was very soon after the initial shutdown talks that the mail-in ballot talk started, back when it was presented as "2 weeks to flatten the curve".

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Belling the Cat's avatar

We may not have full documentation but it's not really a question in my mind.

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Frank Lee's avatar

Why the f*ck isn't Fauci in court facing charges on this, or more appropriately in jail? He told baldfaced lies to Congress. The wailing Democrats claim that Trump has destroyed the US's long standing reputation, while ignoring the fact that they elected a dementia patient Preseident, and held primary responsibility for the 2008 global financial collapse and now the global COVID pandemic.

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Danno's avatar

Exposing deep state crimes is one thing. Finding enough evidence and an objective forum to charge and convict and sentence is quite another. The fact that federal judges in district courts can issue orders which affect national policy is a sign of what we're up against. Rooting out deep state influence and corruption to a point where this is even possible will take years, maybe decades.

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Danno's avatar

I suspected this well before the plandemic even got rolling. There was a Harvard biology professor named Charles Lieber, who was arrested in January of 2020 for making false statements to investigators (and eventually tax evasion) for taking a $1.5 million in "salary" and expenses from the University of Wuhan while also being under contract from the US military. I also recall he admitted helping or allowing two of his graduate students (who turned out to be members of the People's Liberation Army) access to sensitive US military data and/or samples. It seems the latter part (espionage) was more or less dropped by DOJ which I also find suspicious. How high up in the military and civilian leadership did knowlege of this go?

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reality speaks's avatar

Yes they did and they are behind Covid-19 100%. This is without a doubt. The only question is what will Trump do. Until Fauci is sent early to hades there can be no justice

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Mattlongname's avatar

Honestly, on that level if we can find enough HARD evidence, it is absolutely bloodline destroying.

Children and grandchildren of guilty parties need to be wiped out.

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reality speaks's avatar

No we only want to punish the evil people Fauci Baric etc

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Mattlongname's avatar

I want to agree.

Then the punishment wouldnt fit the crime. We need to disincentivize future virus creators properly.

This wasnt the mafia disappearing a few innocent and not so innocent people.

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Lisa's avatar

Does anyone remember that week major media outlets reported that COVID19 was caused by raccoon dogs?

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Earl Camembert's avatar

Hey, at least we all learned what a pangolin is.

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BookWench's avatar

And who knew how kinky they were??!

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Art's avatar

Someone needs to put together a comprehensive list of all the animal vectors that were used in the propaganda campaign.

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BookWench's avatar

No, I missed that, but it's pretty funny.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

The problem is that the average American bear has the attention span of a gnat. “COVID is here to stay”. I see little or no interest in the origin, the collateral damage or holding the professionals who oversaw this pandemic accountable for the obvious skullduggery. My better half is in rehab therapy from Pulminary fibrosis from his untreated COVID. Although his doctors report that there is a drastic increase in post COVID complications, they all offer the same conclusion “ they ( the Trust the Science™️ Gang) did the best they could.” I will call bullshit on that until my last breath. I had hoped that Sen/Dr Rand Paul was going to expose Fauci’s role in the development of said “natural” virus, but he’s not walking that talk.

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Tardigrade's avatar

"They did the best they could [given what was known at the time]" is a useful fig leaf. I had a discussion just the other day with a neighbor who kept repeating that.

People who say that are unaware of, or in denial about, the fact that there was contrary (scientific!) information at the time, but it was ruthlessly suppressed. So of course there appeared to be "consensus", very useful for the perpetrators of skulduggery.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

You’ve probably read my personal anecdote because I repeat it far and wide. My Substack pic? “ You lied. There were treatments.” I had late stage, late diagnosed Lyme Disease 29 years ago…. What finally knocked it out? Cipro and PlaQUINel aka Hydroxychloroquine for 90 days… a highly effective drug, long off patent taken daily by Lupus and RA patients. Also used to treat Malaria ( vector born virus). No reason to ban it for COVID or threaten the doctors who were having success with it. Same holds true for Ivermectin. The CDC discredited it and then ridiculed it. Never mind that the Jimmy and Roslyn Carter Foundation with MERCK had eliminated the Virus that caused River Blindness for over 500 million people. The whole horse thing made me livid… we are mammals. We give livestock antibiotics… I repeat myself.

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Tardigrade's avatar

100% agree. It was all in service of the EUA which was in service of profits, power, and possibly the guy cackling under his personal volcano.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Literally or actually “ human guinea pigs “.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

PS… if they were doing the best they could, then why were they 1000% certain that the vaccines would be our salvation?

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Tardigrade's avatar

I assume that was rhetorical ;)

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Danno's avatar

Remember when Rand showed up with a badly bruised face, and it was attributed to a dispute with a neighbor that escalated into a brawl? Then there was that time that he and his wife were assaulted and beaten by what looked like members of Antifa. Both incidents made me wonder if someone was warning him.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

No coincidence . I did just read the Emily Kopp article. Perhaps Rand Paul is still on the case. I hope so.

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Leslie's avatar

Baric was working on Coronavirus in rabbits about 40 years ago. He achieved mortality via myocarditis of 50% within 5 years. All these researchers leave massive paper trails when they publish that list funding sources. Ecohealth published it's cv paper in what, 2019? For DARPA approval. NIH funding on almost all papers. DARPA "rejected" Daschak's work but it got done. Baric is likely the chimeric missing piece of the puzzle as had seminal papers on that back to 2012. Of course Moderna had it's cv patents prior to the pandemic as well. NIH benefits on a percentage basis so Fauci would be involved but the DARPA involvement is black box due to "bioweapon" laws. This just the top of my head as a layman who has read the papers from the beginning. Anyone that got ahold of Pfizer's EMA published study could have seen red flags by 2020. There were brave journalists and Twitter sleuths that pointed the way before censorship kicked in. CDC is hierarchical like the military in that most docs trust them without question. CDC very culpable here. Their ethic has always been hide the adverse events in favor of total population health. And they benefit financially from vaccines. 2 ethical vaccine advisory committee members resigned at emergency approval. It's that committee that has most revolving door pharma ties. Do we not all remember the 6 billion in PR our government spent to persuade 80% of us to take these experimental shots? My question is, who would have the resources to coordinate such a massive and successful operation...

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GC 208's avatar

I have been saying the same thing since 2020. The day the first reports about "a deadly new virus" emerged from Wuhan, these mother fuckers (Fauci, Baric, Daszak) knew exactly what it was, and exactly where it came from and have now spent six full years lying about it. They should be charged with treason, tried and convicted, and hanged until dead.

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Michelle Enmark, DDS's avatar

Same thing with the shot. It was nearly ready to be unleashed on the world before this happened, GC 208. Everyone focuses on Fauci, and yes, I agree he needs to face public consequences, but there are others. What about Ralph Baric? Deborah Birx? Peter Dazak(sp?), and others. Deborah Birx was Fauci’s partner in crime during the AIDs epidemic, and ran the same playbook with him for COVID. I don’t hear anything about her anymore.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Daszak has actually faced some consequences, like loss of funding. Not near enough, of course. And there are all those other actors.

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Michelle Enmark, DDS's avatar

You’re right. Good point. That’s why he’s gone after RFK, Jr.

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Last One's avatar

I will say this till I am blue in the face, but I and everyone else who has worked the DC contracting gig knew what happened in early 2020 when we all learned about the NIH grant to EcoHealth and it’s subcontracting to Wuhan Institute. Republicans: having the private sector do work is always better than the gov doing it itself. Democrats: science is always advanced best through collaboration, especially international. Academic scientist: it’s all about the money. Gov grant overseer: what’s this virus thing again? Figure out the rest.

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Carlos Marighella's avatar

Just like the Spanish Flu pandemic. It actually started among American soldiers training here for the war in Europe, and they brought it with them.

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Clark Venable's avatar

Be 'here' you mean Kansas, right?

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Carlos Marighella's avatar

Yes, specifically Kansas, although I was really referring to here in America in general.

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Catherine Andrews's avatar

Today on Vigilant Fox and A Midwestern Doctor: "Modern education doesn't make you smarter. It makes you easier to control."

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Jamie's avatar

While it is important to expose the origins of Covid, it is equally important to expose that WHATEVER Covid was, WHEREVER it originated, fear mongering and lies were used to create a hysteria that broke brains and demolished ethical systems society-wide. Let's not forget about THAT part.

Maybe one day a politician with courage will demand a full accounting of the NYC mortality figures from March/April 2020, the foundational fraud that catapulted the nation into hysteria.

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Gilgamech's avatar

But "mistakes were made, let's move on" is all we get.

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Alan N's avatar

What is most amazing is just how unamazing this revelation is. I think there's been quite a limited hangout approach to releasing this information; a slow trickle, long after the event, so that people who Just Want To Move On will ignore it, just through battle fatigue. That's the year that Baric & Shi Zhengli published the paper on their successful edit of the viral genome, adding, removing, and adding back the human ACE2 to the spike protein mRNA.

To me, what's new about this is that the CIA wasn't already up to their necks in this. Or, maybe they were and this is just more discussion on how to fold Covid-19 -- a great candidate -- into their strategy for command and control through state-sponsored bioterrorism. As outlined by Event 201

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