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Bill Owen's avatar

Lol you think that just by reading some shit online you can know "more than the professionals."

"What is truth?"

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Cynicon Implant's avatar

I definitely knew more about the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines than my doctor when she encouraged me to take the jab.

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Bill Owen's avatar

Right, and when you get cancer, you'll do some online research and treat it yourself right?

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Cynicon Implant's avatar

Treating cancer is considerably more complex than being able to read the results of a clinical trial and understanding the difference between relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction.

You sound like one of those "experts" who pretends they have magical knowledge that can't be understood by another intelligent person. "Trust me, I am an expert and you don't need to think for yourself. Just do as I say." LOL

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Andy's avatar

I definitely wonтАЩt go to an oncologist!

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Bill Owen's avatar

Bleach?

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Andy's avatar

Troll?

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Bill Owen's avatar

See a doctor. I am not a troll just because I think that you are a stupid nutbar.

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Andy's avatar

IтАЩd love to talk to you about it in person.

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Bill Owen's avatar

No you wouldn't. Are you threatening to beat me up or shoot me?

Pathetic. The reason you want to kill me is because that here, in the realm of argument, fact, logic and ideas, you are helpless and so reach for your beloved weapons.

Good luck with that.

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rob Wright's avatar

I'm still trying to figure out how many masks to wear if any. Can you tell me what Dr. Faucci is promoting right now?

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Bill Owen's avatar

Fauci initially lied about masks saying that we don't need them. He later reversed that explaining that he was trying to preserve supplies for healthcare workers.

I don't care what any particular individual claims. What matters is the science. It's not just "fauci" who thinks that masks can reduce, not eliminate airborne illnesses, it's virtually everyone who has studied it.

But go ahead and believe whatever it is that you want and need to believe. I can't stop you.

It is true that cloth masks are almost worthless. N95s on the other hand are proven effective.

https://youtu.be/vBJpvdZXxcs

Some diseases are caused by microscopic airborne virus particles, an N95 mask eliminates most of them. If these facts had not been politicised, you would not even be arguing with me.

It's not just "fauci", it's the entire scientific community. I don't even like fauci, a man who lies for political reasons and personal advancement.

No need to keep trying to 'figure out' how many to wear. Just one will do the job.

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rob Wright's avatar

Lol. I see, so you are the keeper of "the Truth". "I don't care what any particular individual claims. What matters is the science". Thank God, now I know where to go for "the science". I thought I had it when Faucci told me he was "the science" I think what you jumping on the op for was that he knew more than doctors. I kept an open mind, which I think is a good policy when it regards your life. I put a lot of value in the credentialed, especially from the elite institutions. When the Great Barrington declaration, assembled by esteemed experts in their field at Stanford and Harvard came out, and was denigrated by other "experts", I knew I was on my own. By the way, as far as masks go, I'm going to lay my highly credentialed 45yr career as a carpenter/home builder on the line and state that masks don't work so hot, both regular and N95. And I have the white drywall dust nostrils to prove my "science"

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Bill Owen's avatar

Lol. I see, so you are the keeper of "the Truth"

So what are you then?

N95s work. That's just a fact. I wore them to do "work" too. (I can use tools and guns too, big deal)

If you have issues with breathing, you do, it's because you did not wear one for most of your career and when you did, you wore it too loose for it to work.

Viruses are small particles that cause diseases. Masks filter out particles. It's really simple. You only deny these facts as you in a cult of some kind.

https://aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ASIMOV_1980_Cult_of_Ignorance.pdf

You don't sound stupid at all. But anyone can have a false belief. I am sure that I do. Masks though, are not in that category. Masks are proven science. Sorry.

*you are only communicating here because some "pointy headed elitists" built the internet using, wait for it, "science". You are almost certainly alive at your age due to "science".

Science and the scientific method is for sure the best way that man has devised to discover the truth. Does it make mistakes? Of course it does. And then it corrects itself. That's how it works.

Thanks!

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Almost Home's avatar

Sadly, had our government just funded a proper RCT for masks and C19, there would be no reason to argue about masks. At some point, there needs to be strong data from properly run studies to support something that is pushed with the conviction that masks were. It also doesn't help when you have cities like NYC making only toddlers wear masks while adults are unmasked in restaurants.

And N95s only work when they fit properly. Ask anyone who works in a hospital and has been fit for an N95 and it's not as simple as throwing one on and being good to go. Even doctors that support N95 effectiveness against C19 will admit most are not worn properly and are thus, worthless. I guess if it makes the wearer feel protected and allows him/her to go about their daily lives, then there is some value.

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Bill Owen's avatar

The fact that many people do not wear them properly says nothing about their efficaciousness.

I have often made the point that most of the people who wear them don't actually know how they work, all they know is that 'someone' told them it is a good idea. These are the people we see wearing them on empty streets.

As for "fitting properly", that's ludicrously simple to do. And many people do wear them correctly.

https://youtu.be/i-uD8rUwG48

We avoided covid for two years, then my wife went out with her friends to a crowded bar without a mask. She got it and then I did too. Airborne infectious diseases are like that.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

This is one of the most servile statements I've read in quite some time.

MSM banks on such deference to authority.

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Bill Owen's avatar

Do you really believe that you know more about medicine than a doctor?

Yeah you do.

тАЬThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'тАЭ

тАФIsaac Asimov

Now excuse while I do my own kidney surgery. LOL LOL LOL

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Bill Owen's avatar

I am the last person you should be saying that too. But nevermind.

When you fly do you often run and bang the cabin door as you scream, "We need to gain altitude now!! You are flying too low! Don't believe what you learned in flight school! Believe me!"

IOW you believe all kinds of bullshit, including what you just said. And that on the basis of a few words that I said.

Your epistemology is shit.

"Pilots? What the fuck do they know about flying anyway?" Bull (shit) Hubbard

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

You hide behind your lickspittle appeal to authority, when no specialized knowledge is necessary to see what's happening. The "lockdown" was unnecessary (no mistake it is a term from prison life); virtually every assertion from the establishment was a lie or an authoritarian edict based on, at best, uncertain information; concerned citizens (paranoid servile loudmouths) called for the imprisonment, exile, or death of the noncompliant; we now hear frequent reports about the harm to health caused by the vaccination program while the USG promotes "boosting" though it has been clear for at least a year that "everyone will eventually get covid" (says Fauci), and we would have been far better off if our "leaders" had done nothing at all.

Instead we are faced with god knows how many side effects that may emerge on top of those already evident, and we are faced with indefinite inflation caused by the mandatory (but politically selective) quarantine, made far worse by the regime's drunken sailor spending on Ukraine war profiteers.

P.S./Edit

I neglected to mention probably the worst consequence of the coof fiasco: the tightening of censorship by the owners of popular "communications platforms" to stifle any real-time criticism of the regime's policies or any commentary on the vaccines themselves. It gave life to the regime's plans for controlling information in the name of silencing what it decrees as "misinformation."

Maybe you could have a career as a censor when the disgraced Ministry of Truth is clandestinely reinstated.

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Bill Owen's avatar

You are talking to someone you made up in your head.

TLTB DNR

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

Typical. The equivalent of squid ink.

GFYS

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Bill Owen's avatar

Once again you are talking to someone you made up in your head. Good luck with that.

How does that based-on-nothing name calling and hate working out for you anyway?

I respond the way I am addressed. Weird, I know. Thanks!

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