This Mahmoud was "found guilty" on plenty of video. As an alien here on a student visa, he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have. My understanding of entering the USA on a student visa is that there are severe restrictions with stated consequences as to what activities are not allowed, such as protesting the US…
This Mahmoud was "found guilty" on plenty of video. As an alien here on a student visa, he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have. My understanding of entering the USA on a student visa is that there are severe restrictions with stated consequences as to what activities are not allowed, such as protesting the US government. He protested very loudly the US government. He should have been gone a long time ago but Biden liked what the guy was saying.
"...he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have..."
Non-citizens in this country have many of the constitutional rights that citizens have. And he's a permanent resident alien, which is at the top of the pyramid of non-citizen rights. They can still be deported, but not without due process where they have a chance to defend themselves before an impartial judge or magistrate. This is why it's important to vet people thoroughly *before* they are admitted into the country.
And there’s now speculation that he lied on his visa. Can someone please shed some light on how he was able to,obtain a visa so quickly? I know several people that have been trying for a long time and to no avail.
Thanks for this, and yikes, I can't believe that anyone thinks some random video equates being "found guilty." Actually I can believe it.
When major cities excused rioting, looting, violence and arson because of viral cell phone videos — often edited for maximum outrage, like Jacob Blake — it was a stain on our civilization. Mob justice being used to punish your perceived political enemies is always really bad. Either you believe in due process and free speech or you don't.
Exactly, John. If video is all the proof we need, than the January 6 rioters and insurrectionists should still be in prison. Yet Trump released them on grounds they were unfairly convicted. MAGA can't have it both ways.
There were plenty of individuals convicted that didn’t even enter the capitol. Read story about Matthew Perna. Rebecca Lavrenz, 72, 10 months in jail for a misdemeanor while the Columbia students rioting a taking over buildings get suspended now that fed money rescinded. Don’t give me this due process shit.
Due process is not "shit," it's an important part of the American way. If you were caught in some law enforcement dragnet and disappeared the way this man was, I'd demand due process for you, too.
On J6, only those committing violent felonies, including rioting and insurrection, should have gotten prison terms. Misdemeanor violations should have been fines, period, and not backbreaking ones. I have no idea if Perna and Lavernz were railroaded, if they refused to take a deal, or what.
And the Columbia rioters and takeover artists should have been arrested and charged, not just suspended.
That's all due process, in my book: making sure everyone is treated fairly and actual criminals punished.
Then maybe you should read up on those individuals during J 6 dragnet. Matthew Perna was charged with misdemeanor, plead guilty. But then our wonderful DOJ decided maybe they would charge him with some other stuff. He did not commit violence. He committed suicide. Yes, real good due process there .
That's not a great place to get to. Both parties have been clearly politicizing legal and criminal matters in way that's terrifying. I agree that a lot of people in the Jan. 6th morass were over-charged in a heavy-handed and propagandized manner, and Trump himself was the victim of some obvious, and often clumsy, lawfare.
We have to have the same set of rules for everyone, and if both parties see utilizing the courts, law enforcement and intelligence in a way that suits them, we're in a world of trouble. Courts, intelligence, police, and bureaucracies have to be neutral, work within the interpreted bounds of the law and the constitution, and have a commitment to first principles. If we can't do that, and say "yes, I'm doing it, but ook at what the other guy did," then we have nothing.
We have a near-infinite amount of problems, but creating more problems, or further entrenching the ones we have, isn't going to help.
All one of the parties has to do is act normal/not crazy, stop with the "black shirt/white shirt" rhetoric, and appeal to people's sense of uniting principles, decency and fair play to get a sizable majority. Will anyone be able to do it?
He isn’t here on a student visa. He has a green card which provides him most of the guarantees of a citizen. Big difference: Student VISA and green card.
If that's the standard, then the J6'ers should still be in prison. Yet Trump just let every one of them out and declared them unfairly convicted.
If Mahmoud is to be deported--and he might well be worthy of it--then it should be easy for Trump to put him before an immigration judge, show all that video and all the proof they've amassed, and get him deported legally. He is no longer a student visa holder, but a green card holder, which requires a little more proof of his "crimes."
This Mahmoud was "found guilty" on plenty of video. As an alien here on a student visa, he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have. My understanding of entering the USA on a student visa is that there are severe restrictions with stated consequences as to what activities are not allowed, such as protesting the US government. He protested very loudly the US government. He should have been gone a long time ago but Biden liked what the guy was saying.
"...he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have..."
Non-citizens in this country have many of the constitutional rights that citizens have. And he's a permanent resident alien, which is at the top of the pyramid of non-citizen rights. They can still be deported, but not without due process where they have a chance to defend themselves before an impartial judge or magistrate. This is why it's important to vet people thoroughly *before* they are admitted into the country.
And there’s now speculation that he lied on his visa. Can someone please shed some light on how he was able to,obtain a visa so quickly? I know several people that have been trying for a long time and to no avail.
Speculation?! That's all the proof I need, he's out of here.
They are not owed due process to have their residency privilege revoked.
"As an alien here on a student visa, he is obviously not a citizen and has no rights that Americans have."
That isn't how the Constitution works. Go read a fucking book instead of trolling the comments.
"He should have been gone a long time ago but Biden liked what the guy was saying."
LOL - yeah, Genocide Joe liked what the anti-Zionism protestor was saying. Time to ask your masters at AIPAC for a new script, asshole.
You can’t be “found guilty” on a video!
Thanks for this, and yikes, I can't believe that anyone thinks some random video equates being "found guilty." Actually I can believe it.
When major cities excused rioting, looting, violence and arson because of viral cell phone videos — often edited for maximum outrage, like Jacob Blake — it was a stain on our civilization. Mob justice being used to punish your perceived political enemies is always really bad. Either you believe in due process and free speech or you don't.
Exactly, John. If video is all the proof we need, than the January 6 rioters and insurrectionists should still be in prison. Yet Trump released them on grounds they were unfairly convicted. MAGA can't have it both ways.
There were plenty of individuals convicted that didn’t even enter the capitol. Read story about Matthew Perna. Rebecca Lavrenz, 72, 10 months in jail for a misdemeanor while the Columbia students rioting a taking over buildings get suspended now that fed money rescinded. Don’t give me this due process shit.
Due process is not "shit," it's an important part of the American way. If you were caught in some law enforcement dragnet and disappeared the way this man was, I'd demand due process for you, too.
On J6, only those committing violent felonies, including rioting and insurrection, should have gotten prison terms. Misdemeanor violations should have been fines, period, and not backbreaking ones. I have no idea if Perna and Lavernz were railroaded, if they refused to take a deal, or what.
And the Columbia rioters and takeover artists should have been arrested and charged, not just suspended.
That's all due process, in my book: making sure everyone is treated fairly and actual criminals punished.
Then maybe you should read up on those individuals during J 6 dragnet. Matthew Perna was charged with misdemeanor, plead guilty. But then our wonderful DOJ decided maybe they would charge him with some other stuff. He did not commit violence. He committed suicide. Yes, real good due process there .
I personally have given up on the whole due process thing. It’s pretty clear to me what side is generally given the benefit of the doubt.
That's not a great place to get to. Both parties have been clearly politicizing legal and criminal matters in way that's terrifying. I agree that a lot of people in the Jan. 6th morass were over-charged in a heavy-handed and propagandized manner, and Trump himself was the victim of some obvious, and often clumsy, lawfare.
We have to have the same set of rules for everyone, and if both parties see utilizing the courts, law enforcement and intelligence in a way that suits them, we're in a world of trouble. Courts, intelligence, police, and bureaucracies have to be neutral, work within the interpreted bounds of the law and the constitution, and have a commitment to first principles. If we can't do that, and say "yes, I'm doing it, but ook at what the other guy did," then we have nothing.
I agree, but it sure looks like we have some problems
We have a near-infinite amount of problems, but creating more problems, or further entrenching the ones we have, isn't going to help.
All one of the parties has to do is act normal/not crazy, stop with the "black shirt/white shirt" rhetoric, and appeal to people's sense of uniting principles, decency and fair play to get a sizable majority. Will anyone be able to do it?
He isn’t here on a student visa. He has a green card which provides him most of the guarantees of a citizen. Big difference: Student VISA and green card.
He started with a student visa then got his green card
Most but not all.
The student visa is past tense. He has graduated to a green card.
"Found guilty" on plenty of video.
If that's the standard, then the J6'ers should still be in prison. Yet Trump just let every one of them out and declared them unfairly convicted.
If Mahmoud is to be deported--and he might well be worthy of it--then it should be easy for Trump to put him before an immigration judge, show all that video and all the proof they've amassed, and get him deported legally. He is no longer a student visa holder, but a green card holder, which requires a little more proof of his "crimes."
He may not enjoy the right to a trial. The State Department can and does remove non-citizens for all kinds of reasons.