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Dawn McNeal's avatar

Matt, please elaborate on Trump’s “rule breaking” which disturbs you. Why does he need to follow “rules”? Or are you talking about laws? Which ones?

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DaveL's avatar

Lack of due process comes to mind.

Article 2, Section 8 gives Congress the power of tariff. Not the President.

Randomly renaming Gulf of Mexico, threatening to take over Canada and Greenland doesn’t break any rules, just obnoxious.

Anyway, he’s preferable to the side that lost…

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Dawn McNeal's avatar

Is there an Article 2 section 8 of the Constitution? When did he violate “due process”? How do you know that Trump does things “randomly”? I agree he makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but he does that on purpose, not “randomly.” If it was random, the themes would not be consistent.

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michael888's avatar

Obama OFFICIALLY did away with due process. He was sued by Chris Hedges and other for doing away with habeas corpus and indefinitely imprisoning undesirables ("terrorists"/"domestic terrorists". Chelsea Manning was a typical example; imprisoned in July 2010 (claimed torture and solitary confinement) until her court-marshal, arraigned in February 2012 for embarrassing the Establishment/ military along with Wikileaks; her crime "did not represent significant consequences to foreign policy" according to Hillary. Obama commuted her sentence after 7 years, taking place after he left office.) Obama imprisoned more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined. John Kiriakou gave a good description of the "due process" in his case. Thomas Drake, an NSA whistleblower, was so mistreated that Edward Snowden used a different, more effective approach. Obama also gave no due process to the al Awlaky family (including an 8 year old and a 16 year old), three American citizens who were killed by drones/raids between 2010 and 2017. "We tortured some folks." And we killed some folks.

January 6th was just another example that the Feds can punish people without due process.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Lack of due process? Due process, by its very nature, is variable. Example: an illegal alien has very limited due process rights, compared to a us citizen.

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DaveL's avatar

Really? Where is that written? In such matters, the Constitution refers to persons, not citizens.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

its looking like congress delegated tarifs to executive, no?

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DaveL's avatar

Sure did. Like the German Enabling Act of 1933, but hopefully without as horrendous an outcome.

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DaveL's avatar

I should have wrote “Article 1”, oops!

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DaveL's avatar

It’s Article 1, sorry! Good catch.

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