What a shock, Walter supports regime change in Iran and Matt nods along agreeing. Are these two just Fox News host wannabes now?
Matt pretends the objective is clear and attainable, destroy Iran's nuclear program. But there’s no evidence that this one strike did that, so we will have to do more, and Matt will need to support it to remain consistent.
Walter, while pretending to be ignorant and disinterested, is clearly a hard core Zionist anti-Iran hawk and finally openly advocated that the U.S. commit a war of regime change on Iran. His only stipulation? No “boots” on the ground in Iran. So if we carpet bomb Iran, Walter is all for it.
In the end, these two have absolutely no distance from the Trump regime. Matt sells their lies and pretext for war (destroying the nuclear program) while Walter sells the actual large goal, regime change.
A Great War hawk duo. But neither of these two would be sending their kids to the war, only other people’s kids.
Would it be better if they had continued ass kissing the auto-pen regency? Pretending Biden was actually President and that Russiagate was real helped America so much. Not. Dealing with Iran, who we should recall has been waging war against America, Israel and the West for over 40 years is long over due.
The U.S. and Israel both say they don't know where a large and weaponizable amount of 60% enriched Uranium is, they didn't drop bunker busters on Isfahan, and there is zero evidence that the damage was severe enough to destroy the facility. Besides that, the Iranians are on U.S. satellite imagery evacuating the facility, both staff and equipment was certainly in the trucks they moved stuff out with.
So any person interested would understand with perfect clarity that this strike did absolutely NOT destroy the Iranian nuclear program. Not to mention that Iran still has the science and allies with the weapon already who might be willing to help them along.
easy. helping destroy isis, helping Hezbollah defend Lebanon, helping syria defend itself, helping the Palestinians, helping the houthis who are helping the palestinians
Do you have evidence that they weren’t destroyed? You seem to have info that none of the rest of us do. Are we doing more? As of right now we’re not but again you seem to have top secret access so again enthral us with your acumen. Any any regime that chants ‘death to America’ can suck a bag of dicks…..so yeah……we’re not siding with them. Go peddle your Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar talking points over on Bluesky.
I have more evidence that the nuclear program is intact than you have that it is totally destroyed. The US didn’t even bother dropping a bunker buster on Isfahan because they knew it wouldn’t penetrate deep enough and our own government and the Israeli government both say there is a large amount of 60% enriched uranium that they have no idea where it is.
So yes, the attack blew up some above ground buildings and put some holes in a mountain. But even if they actually destroyed what they hit, they didn’t even try to hit the underground portion in others.
Um. I didn’t make the claim that it was totally destroyed. You however made the claim that it wasn’t. So please post up your undisputed ‘evidence’ that their nuclear program is still fully intact. Look forward to seeing it.
The evidence is what I posted which you can confirm from US and Israeli sources. That’s not good enough for you, not my problem. The U.S. itself claims it did not drop bunker busters on Isfahan and both nations claim Iran still has enriched uranium. So yes, it’s without a doubt that the program was not totally destroyed.
In fact, the reason the U.S. is using vague language like “severely damaged” is because we have no idea how far we set back a potential Iranian nuclear weapon at all.
But we sure have them a reason to develop one with this idiotic and ineffective bombing. One that violates international law and the NPT.
Jesus Christ Walter and Matt there is so much bullshit here it’s hard to ignore. The reason Iran has developed a nuclear program beyond what is required for energy and medical only happened once trump pulled us out of the last deal. They are doing that as a bargaining chip to get rid of the sanctions that have been on Iran since the revolution that overthrew the last guy we installed after a regime change. Israel has been saying, Netanyahu in particular, has been saying Iran is months away from a nuke for 30 fucking years and has been wrong time and time again!!! How are you lapping this up it’s fucking incredible! The only objection Israel had to us invading Iraq was not that we shouldn’t, but we should do Iran first! Well look at that I guess we finally got there. Even the god damn intel agencies arnt going along with this and they have been gunning for Iran since the Shaw was overthrown. So ridiculous. Refute any of it.
they are lapping it up because they are completely ignorant and propagandized. pretty simple. Walter is the gullible midwesterner trying to sound informed.
I have to hand it to you two, the amount of calories you guys must burn trying to justify the US bombing of a sovereign state only to conclude that people’s general reaction is just “a freak out that needs to be toned down,” is truly impressive. Although Taibbi did have to admit at the end he was exhausted.
I especially like the thorough trashing of Iran as simply a terrorist state and a thorn in America’s side for decades. By diminishing the Shah of Iran’s two decade reign of terror, and the subsequent US imposing of crushing sanctions on the Iran population for the last 40 years, its easy to conclude there is no reason for Iran to hate us or retaliate against us in anyway it can.
Who has been terrorizing who, Matt, kinda depends on where you live.
This was a surprising listen. Initially I thought; “Oh fuck…here we go…” Walter in over his head and Matt wrapped around him like a human floatation device. I think what happened (this might be a complete fantasy) is that pressure from readers and listeners finally forced these two to dig down through their own superficial snide rationalizations to some reasonably deep essential principles.
It was pretty compelling.
Basically they articulated: the world isn’t fair. If the big dogs intimidate the little dogs consider a world where every dog is the big dog.
They managed not to focus on Trump or Israel. I think they should don their big person pants and get into that. Regardless of the shit we WILL sling from the peanut gallery.
Why EXACTLY is the USA serving at the pleasure of Israel? Discuss. And if the USA IS serving at the pleasure of Israel what does the USA get
out of the deal?
The Trump family gets Gaza The Trump Property? Is that the deal? Or do the Palestinians FINALLY get their state because (as Walter would have us believe) Heir Trump is a guy who gets things done.
They also buy on its face as true the notion that Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapons program and totally ignore all sources that contradict that notion, whether that is the IAEA or the Trump administration itself. They only take claims as true on their face if they come from Israel or Trump himself.
Meanwhile, Walter gleefully taunts that if there was no Iranian nuclear program then bombing them is no issue, has no costs, and no risks. Just a completely neutral event. This is propaganda on the highest level. This attack was not only illegal under international law, a war crime of aggression, but it also put in jeopardy the possibility of a wider all out war with Iran, which is of course what Israel wants the U.S. to be engaged in. The fact that Walter ignores all of this shows how clearly he is a propagandist for Zionists and Israel.
Not to mention that his specialty is fiction. Which he used to freely admit, until he began settling into this this bizarre and disappointing role of writing the Truthman Show.
You are ruining the show responding to comments on the youtube feed which are generally sophomoric. Wish you could just talk about your own take instead of being defensive.
Walter, if the objective is to forestall the nuclear program, bombing is obviously ineffective. We sabotaged the negotiations and then killed the chief negotiator. I doubt that is our objective.
Also, in response to our discussion of “theocratic lunacy,” rather than citing evidence of psychopathy, perhaps I should have mentioned the religious justifications given for occupying others land (literally extracting people from their homes so others of the appropriate religion can move in as occurs in the West Bank) and lording over them with identity cards that include one’s religion and whether one is determined to be under military rule, including having separate roads to travel and being subjected to checkpoints at the point of a gun) or have the privileges of those who are not. Religion is clearly not the overriding issue. Rather, a racist, apartheid state with a Zionist political ideology at odds with the actual tenets of the ancient religion with which it cloaks itself is.
And Walt saying Isreal didn't want us in Iraq.. From a guy who usually knows his shit, that is the most incorrect comment I've ever heard. The clear facts, that are not debatable and haven't been debated, are the exact opposite. Come on guys, that episode kept me up last night, a complete whitewashing of the military strike in the Middle East and a 180 on everything you say you stand for.
I only made it a quarter of the way through this episode. I can chop plenty up to ignorance, political blinders. But it comes to a point where Walter in particular is just a partisan hack, making the whole thing a joke (not in a funny way) and Matt tepidly pushes back occasionally. Gave up after Walter said it was the intelligence assessment that got us into Iraq. Literally the opposite. It was partisan hacks like himself that cherry picked intelligence, and just lied, to sell that war. He’s not just on another planet, he’s light years away from reality.
Seriously, Matt, cut the fucking cord with this guy. Do your journalism. Talk about your journalism on shows. Invite guests on to this show. No more pontificating on shit you guys don’t know enough about. Invite someone on that does instead.
I can't believe what I am hearing from Matt and Walter. They talk every week about the overreach and corrupt heavy hand of the American military, but now it's all good and we've only just "had a bombing." How do you think these things start? This is completely opposite of the sentiment you guys have about literally all other American scuff-ups. Come on guys, Walter covering for Trump and Matt not pushing back like he should. This was the most baffling episode you've ever published. Just unreal coming from my favorite two podcasters. Heros always fall..
Yeah you guys should probably stay off West Asia, as you seem poorly informed - as TBF you admitted.
- Iran's nuclear sites were inspected by the IEAE (including video surveillance).
- Iran has signed the NPT, Israel has not.
- Israel has nuclear weapons and nuclear sites that are not inspected by the IEAE.
- Iran was negotiating when Israel, with US connivance bombed them trying to provoke regime change and killed their lead negotiator.
- Note they were not negotiating to refrain from building a nuclear bomb, they were negotiating to get illegal sanctions lifted and to use radioactivity for medical purposes and for uranium to be used for nuclear power.
- There is no legal impediment to Iran using uranium for peaceful means - they do not need the US' permission.
- The "Intelligence Community" said that Iran wasn't producing a nuclear weapon. Tulsi testified to this in March.
- Netanyahu has been saying they were close to a bomb for nearly 40 years - obvious lies.
- Their Religious leader says nuclear bombs are forbidden as immoral.
- Iran signed an agreement not to make a nuclear weapon, the JCPOA, and to have their uranium enriched by 3rd party countries. The US pulled out of it.
It is very hard to see this as anything other than enmity towards Iran probably on behalf of Israel. Clearly it has very little to do with nuclear weapons, since it would be easy to get agreement with Iran on these. You don't need to like Iran, but not liking a country is not a legitimate reason to bomb them.
On many issues Matt and Walter have provided a great perspective that comes from clearly well-informed and principled convictions. I do find it quite perplexing that their take on this issue seems to be that despite some critique of the crassness of the politicians involved, there seems to be an acceptance that the US has the right to bomb other countries on arbitrary and clearly false premises. What happened to you guys?
What got lost in this discussion is that the issue isn't whether Iran should or shouldn't have nukes. It's that Iran was actually negotiating with the US in Oman and Rome to have its nuclear program monitored and its enrichment contained so that it could not produce a weapon. (The contention that they were negotiating to "slow down" getting a bomb is BS.) And Israel hit Iran not to take out its nuclear program, but to get regime change. Yes there are lots of regimes we'd like to change, but you don't just start bombing them without provocation. This double-crossing by the US destroyed trust and opened up potential for endless escalation. Why would Iran trust the US now? Why negotiate when the first round was cover for an eventual bombing campaign? This is why people are talking about "WW3", not because we damaged some nuclear facilities.
Keep in mind that North Korea only has nukes because GW Bush ripped up Clinton's Agreed Framework and put sanctions on the country, which resulted in IAEA inspectors getting kicked out. There are actually diplomatic solutions to these problems.
I've found ATW a wonderful part of my week that I always have and will continue to look forward to. But these past couple episodes were the first time I felt --- uh, I'll just say that other podcasters such as the Duran and Due Dissidence have been covering this topic with more wisdom and knowledge.
What a shock, Walter supports regime change in Iran and Matt nods along agreeing. Are these two just Fox News host wannabes now?
Matt pretends the objective is clear and attainable, destroy Iran's nuclear program. But there’s no evidence that this one strike did that, so we will have to do more, and Matt will need to support it to remain consistent.
Walter, while pretending to be ignorant and disinterested, is clearly a hard core Zionist anti-Iran hawk and finally openly advocated that the U.S. commit a war of regime change on Iran. His only stipulation? No “boots” on the ground in Iran. So if we carpet bomb Iran, Walter is all for it.
In the end, these two have absolutely no distance from the Trump regime. Matt sells their lies and pretext for war (destroying the nuclear program) while Walter sells the actual large goal, regime change.
A Great War hawk duo. But neither of these two would be sending their kids to the war, only other people’s kids.
Would it be better if they had continued ass kissing the auto-pen regency? Pretending Biden was actually President and that Russiagate was real helped America so much. Not. Dealing with Iran, who we should recall has been waging war against America, Israel and the West for over 40 years is long over due.
All Trump did was start a war without even destroying the Iranian nuclear capacity. But he did certainly give them a reason to obtain a nuke.
Complete and utter incompetence.
I didn’t realize that you had gone in and personally inspected where the labs have been bombed; you have your after action intelligence how exactly?
The U.S. and Israel both say they don't know where a large and weaponizable amount of 60% enriched Uranium is, they didn't drop bunker busters on Isfahan, and there is zero evidence that the damage was severe enough to destroy the facility. Besides that, the Iranians are on U.S. satellite imagery evacuating the facility, both staff and equipment was certainly in the trucks they moved stuff out with.
So any person interested would understand with perfect clarity that this strike did absolutely NOT destroy the Iranian nuclear program. Not to mention that Iran still has the science and allies with the weapon already who might be willing to help them along.
Explain how Iran has been waging war on America for 40 years? I'm missing something, give me examples please?
easy. helping destroy isis, helping Hezbollah defend Lebanon, helping syria defend itself, helping the Palestinians, helping the houthis who are helping the palestinians
Walter and Matt's relationship is a lot like Bibi and Trump's.
Do you have evidence that they weren’t destroyed? You seem to have info that none of the rest of us do. Are we doing more? As of right now we’re not but again you seem to have top secret access so again enthral us with your acumen. Any any regime that chants ‘death to America’ can suck a bag of dicks…..so yeah……we’re not siding with them. Go peddle your Rashida Tlaib & Ilhan Omar talking points over on Bluesky.
I have more evidence that the nuclear program is intact than you have that it is totally destroyed. The US didn’t even bother dropping a bunker buster on Isfahan because they knew it wouldn’t penetrate deep enough and our own government and the Israeli government both say there is a large amount of 60% enriched uranium that they have no idea where it is.
So yes, the attack blew up some above ground buildings and put some holes in a mountain. But even if they actually destroyed what they hit, they didn’t even try to hit the underground portion in others.
Any intelligence predictions for today? Asking for a friend.
Um. I didn’t make the claim that it was totally destroyed. You however made the claim that it wasn’t. So please post up your undisputed ‘evidence’ that their nuclear program is still fully intact. Look forward to seeing it.
I already did post it, I can’t help it if you ignore it.
You mean you said it. Is that your evidence?
The evidence is what I posted which you can confirm from US and Israeli sources. That’s not good enough for you, not my problem. The U.S. itself claims it did not drop bunker busters on Isfahan and both nations claim Iran still has enriched uranium. So yes, it’s without a doubt that the program was not totally destroyed.
In fact, the reason the U.S. is using vague language like “severely damaged” is because we have no idea how far we set back a potential Iranian nuclear weapon at all.
But we sure have them a reason to develop one with this idiotic and ineffective bombing. One that violates international law and the NPT.
Another episode of Ugly Americans this Week. LOL Walter's "sources."
amen.
Jesus Christ Walter and Matt there is so much bullshit here it’s hard to ignore. The reason Iran has developed a nuclear program beyond what is required for energy and medical only happened once trump pulled us out of the last deal. They are doing that as a bargaining chip to get rid of the sanctions that have been on Iran since the revolution that overthrew the last guy we installed after a regime change. Israel has been saying, Netanyahu in particular, has been saying Iran is months away from a nuke for 30 fucking years and has been wrong time and time again!!! How are you lapping this up it’s fucking incredible! The only objection Israel had to us invading Iraq was not that we shouldn’t, but we should do Iran first! Well look at that I guess we finally got there. Even the god damn intel agencies arnt going along with this and they have been gunning for Iran since the Shaw was overthrown. So ridiculous. Refute any of it.
perfect
they are lapping it up because they are completely ignorant and propagandized. pretty simple. Walter is the gullible midwesterner trying to sound informed.
I have to hand it to you two, the amount of calories you guys must burn trying to justify the US bombing of a sovereign state only to conclude that people’s general reaction is just “a freak out that needs to be toned down,” is truly impressive. Although Taibbi did have to admit at the end he was exhausted.
I especially like the thorough trashing of Iran as simply a terrorist state and a thorn in America’s side for decades. By diminishing the Shah of Iran’s two decade reign of terror, and the subsequent US imposing of crushing sanctions on the Iran population for the last 40 years, its easy to conclude there is no reason for Iran to hate us or retaliate against us in anyway it can.
Who has been terrorizing who, Matt, kinda depends on where you live.
This was a surprising listen. Initially I thought; “Oh fuck…here we go…” Walter in over his head and Matt wrapped around him like a human floatation device. I think what happened (this might be a complete fantasy) is that pressure from readers and listeners finally forced these two to dig down through their own superficial snide rationalizations to some reasonably deep essential principles.
It was pretty compelling.
Basically they articulated: the world isn’t fair. If the big dogs intimidate the little dogs consider a world where every dog is the big dog.
They managed not to focus on Trump or Israel. I think they should don their big person pants and get into that. Regardless of the shit we WILL sling from the peanut gallery.
Why EXACTLY is the USA serving at the pleasure of Israel? Discuss. And if the USA IS serving at the pleasure of Israel what does the USA get
out of the deal?
The Trump family gets Gaza The Trump Property? Is that the deal? Or do the Palestinians FINALLY get their state because (as Walter would have us believe) Heir Trump is a guy who gets things done.
They also buy on its face as true the notion that Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapons program and totally ignore all sources that contradict that notion, whether that is the IAEA or the Trump administration itself. They only take claims as true on their face if they come from Israel or Trump himself.
Meanwhile, Walter gleefully taunts that if there was no Iranian nuclear program then bombing them is no issue, has no costs, and no risks. Just a completely neutral event. This is propaganda on the highest level. This attack was not only illegal under international law, a war crime of aggression, but it also put in jeopardy the possibility of a wider all out war with Iran, which is of course what Israel wants the U.S. to be engaged in. The fact that Walter ignores all of this shows how clearly he is a propagandist for Zionists and Israel.
But he has inside sources, very powerful people, very smart people!
Not to mention that his specialty is fiction. Which he used to freely admit, until he began settling into this this bizarre and disappointing role of writing the Truthman Show.
He’ll need a sequel to Blood Will Out.
You are ruining the show responding to comments on the youtube feed which are generally sophomoric. Wish you could just talk about your own take instead of being defensive.
Walter, if the objective is to forestall the nuclear program, bombing is obviously ineffective. We sabotaged the negotiations and then killed the chief negotiator. I doubt that is our objective.
Also, in response to our discussion of “theocratic lunacy,” rather than citing evidence of psychopathy, perhaps I should have mentioned the religious justifications given for occupying others land (literally extracting people from their homes so others of the appropriate religion can move in as occurs in the West Bank) and lording over them with identity cards that include one’s religion and whether one is determined to be under military rule, including having separate roads to travel and being subjected to checkpoints at the point of a gun) or have the privileges of those who are not. Religion is clearly not the overriding issue. Rather, a racist, apartheid state with a Zionist political ideology at odds with the actual tenets of the ancient religion with which it cloaks itself is.
And Walt saying Isreal didn't want us in Iraq.. From a guy who usually knows his shit, that is the most incorrect comment I've ever heard. The clear facts, that are not debatable and haven't been debated, are the exact opposite. Come on guys, that episode kept me up last night, a complete whitewashing of the military strike in the Middle East and a 180 on everything you say you stand for.
This was the most egregious lie Walter told and as usual Matt just nodding along stupidly without correcting him... so disappointing,
Why is Israel’s nuclear program never mentioned?
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!"
Good one!!!
I only made it a quarter of the way through this episode. I can chop plenty up to ignorance, political blinders. But it comes to a point where Walter in particular is just a partisan hack, making the whole thing a joke (not in a funny way) and Matt tepidly pushes back occasionally. Gave up after Walter said it was the intelligence assessment that got us into Iraq. Literally the opposite. It was partisan hacks like himself that cherry picked intelligence, and just lied, to sell that war. He’s not just on another planet, he’s light years away from reality.
Seriously, Matt, cut the fucking cord with this guy. Do your journalism. Talk about your journalism on shows. Invite guests on to this show. No more pontificating on shit you guys don’t know enough about. Invite someone on that does instead.
I can't believe what I am hearing from Matt and Walter. They talk every week about the overreach and corrupt heavy hand of the American military, but now it's all good and we've only just "had a bombing." How do you think these things start? This is completely opposite of the sentiment you guys have about literally all other American scuff-ups. Come on guys, Walter covering for Trump and Matt not pushing back like he should. This was the most baffling episode you've ever published. Just unreal coming from my favorite two podcasters. Heros always fall..
Yeah you guys should probably stay off West Asia, as you seem poorly informed - as TBF you admitted.
- Iran's nuclear sites were inspected by the IEAE (including video surveillance).
- Iran has signed the NPT, Israel has not.
- Israel has nuclear weapons and nuclear sites that are not inspected by the IEAE.
- Iran was negotiating when Israel, with US connivance bombed them trying to provoke regime change and killed their lead negotiator.
- Note they were not negotiating to refrain from building a nuclear bomb, they were negotiating to get illegal sanctions lifted and to use radioactivity for medical purposes and for uranium to be used for nuclear power.
- There is no legal impediment to Iran using uranium for peaceful means - they do not need the US' permission.
- The "Intelligence Community" said that Iran wasn't producing a nuclear weapon. Tulsi testified to this in March.
- Netanyahu has been saying they were close to a bomb for nearly 40 years - obvious lies.
- Their Religious leader says nuclear bombs are forbidden as immoral.
- Iran signed an agreement not to make a nuclear weapon, the JCPOA, and to have their uranium enriched by 3rd party countries. The US pulled out of it.
It is very hard to see this as anything other than enmity towards Iran probably on behalf of Israel. Clearly it has very little to do with nuclear weapons, since it would be easy to get agreement with Iran on these. You don't need to like Iran, but not liking a country is not a legitimate reason to bomb them.
On many issues Matt and Walter have provided a great perspective that comes from clearly well-informed and principled convictions. I do find it quite perplexing that their take on this issue seems to be that despite some critique of the crassness of the politicians involved, there seems to be an acceptance that the US has the right to bomb other countries on arbitrary and clearly false premises. What happened to you guys?
I can't believe your podcast has already been superseded by events!
Anyway, it was really enjoyable. I loved your responding live to comments. Great fun. Walter, please hit the spacebar.
What got lost in this discussion is that the issue isn't whether Iran should or shouldn't have nukes. It's that Iran was actually negotiating with the US in Oman and Rome to have its nuclear program monitored and its enrichment contained so that it could not produce a weapon. (The contention that they were negotiating to "slow down" getting a bomb is BS.) And Israel hit Iran not to take out its nuclear program, but to get regime change. Yes there are lots of regimes we'd like to change, but you don't just start bombing them without provocation. This double-crossing by the US destroyed trust and opened up potential for endless escalation. Why would Iran trust the US now? Why negotiate when the first round was cover for an eventual bombing campaign? This is why people are talking about "WW3", not because we damaged some nuclear facilities.
Keep in mind that North Korea only has nukes because GW Bush ripped up Clinton's Agreed Framework and put sanctions on the country, which resulted in IAEA inspectors getting kicked out. There are actually diplomatic solutions to these problems.
I've found ATW a wonderful part of my week that I always have and will continue to look forward to. But these past couple episodes were the first time I felt --- uh, I'll just say that other podcasters such as the Duran and Due Dissidence have been covering this topic with more wisdom and knowledge.
The Comment Section is so much better than the show now.