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Martin Hackworth's avatar

"A New York Times that sucked less." ROFLMAO. Just classic! Salute.

Mitch Barrie's avatar

"How can we regain the trust of America's readers and viewers?"

"Well, maybe we can stop lying to them all the time."

"SHUT UP! JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

The Upright Man.'s avatar

"YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!"

Jim M's avatar

I actually LOL'd at this, but DIED w/ Jolly's comment! Thanks

Wazoomann's avatar

Shut your mouth while you're talking to me!

S. Culper, Jr.'s avatar

The real funny part is not “a New York Times that sucked less”. It’s that “in a million years, that would never occur to them”. Self awareness = 0

Zenitram's avatar

They don't think it sucks and they think they are prophets. The problem isn't the times. Its the people. Its the end result of decades of academic brainwashing.

vj's avatar

The problem is “Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government.”

― Edward Bernays (Gee thanks Ed!)

Zenitram's avatar

There has never been a government in history that didn't use propaganda. The novel idea in the west used to be that the press would sift through the bullshit, and build its own narrative. The NYT and the rest of the MSM is more Pravda than media. The danger here was clear when Trump was in office. Their response to the response to Trump was predictable.

Stxbuck's avatar

Trump is like the dude throwing the hammer at the giant head in the famous Apple 1984 commercial-and that’s literally what he is-an orange brick hurled by the populace-nothing intellectually deeper, in and of itself.

S. Culper, Jr.'s avatar

Agreed. The Left has been extremely patient, waiting a whole generation for its brainwashing to take place. It's now becoming effective and infiltrating society as a whole. My question is why some of us, going through that same educational process, didn't fall for it. To say we're just smarter is a little too self-serving. There have be some attributes of people who refuse to fall for the narrative and continue to be able to be skeptical and thing for themselves. This would make for an interesting study.

Milo's avatar

I think they are trying to ascend, and to take advantage of the duress that the nation is in to finally accomplish another major step function in their perennial agenda. Their mandate was 'not Trump', nothing more, but have taken the despicable measures to make fundamental change, when all we really wanted was just a little rest.

Jaded Observer's avatar

You are onto something. Trump was the cataclysm that fueled progressives to go for the Green New Deal (now BBB) The cataclysmic part was driven by the media and permanent government. Much the same happened with George Floyd, which Black Marxist used to push Defund and CRT.

Interestingly, the movements are failing because of overreach. They have scared America. But Republicans will fuck it up by trying ban abortions or make everyone buy a gun. AOC will be back.

DC Lovell's avatar

I'm going with trust fund kids with a room full of 5th place trophies.

Zenitram's avatar

They done it. 20-30% are zealots for a zeitgeist. 50% fall in inline, 30% resist. Its about the same every single time this happens. Even when the "cult" is liberty.

just a farmer's avatar

Kind of reminds me of the Milgram experiments, in a way.

Paige's avatar

I think that some people are less susceptible to trusting "authority" in general, while others give whole hearted loyalty to those who society has told to trust as an authority on truth.

Since most of those who don't question the narrative are middle class white folks with some college, they have likely lived fairly privileged lives insulated from the social and political failings that effect the less privileged. Therefore, when media describes reality a certain way they have no first hand experience to compare it to.

vj's avatar

The difference may be learned or it may be dispositional, or some combination of the two. I'm no renegade, but sometimes I just can't swallow the medicine (poison).

Danno's avatar

Part of it is being smarter. Another part is having been exposed to writing reports and reviews from actual books as opposed to clickey-dickey online content. I was a student of history from an early age. It started with WW2 history. Then I read "The Gulag Archipelago" (both volumes) in high school. Talk about innoculation from propaganda!

Thom's avatar

@ MartinHackworth 🤣✔

Covid the Cow's avatar

I suppose this is a signal the censorship, blacklisting and persecution are underperforming.

Llukalkan's avatar

I think it might work better if they did all those things with zippier fonts?

Matt Taibbi's avatar

You’re laughing, but that’s how they think.

An Internet Poster's avatar

Careful. You might be labeled a 'non-authentic journalist' and therefore be the target of an early morning no-knock FBI raid

Madjack's avatar

Stealing diaries is DEFINITELY a Federal offense!! Is this seventh grade???

ih8edjfkjr's avatar

I'm curious to read your and other commenters' take on an observation I have. While NYT, WaPo, The Atlantic have had a clear shift in the past 20 years to producing narrative-driven, untrustworthy news, while the WSJ and FT pretty much remain the same products they were 10 and 20 yeas ago. The WSJ and FT are not without flaws, but those flaws are the same flaws they have always had (e.g., WSJ legal reporting is atrociously shallow, FT reports every financial story from the hair-on-fire perspective of a 10:1 leveraged rates trader). In other words, unlike the NYT and WaPo, which were always politically biased but which evolved to become almost caricatures, the WSJ and FT don't seem to have become more overtly political in recent years. What accounts for this difference in trajectory?

1. Ownership by a media mogul that employees have no reason to believe will reward them for pushing dishonest DNC narratives?

2. Proactive, top down policy decisions to avoid hiring those type of journalists in the first place?

3. By virtue of skewing towards business readers, their subscription base was always more politically heterodox and the journalists temper their own political passions accordingly without any need for top-down pressure to do so?

4. They have a more viable economic model (pricier subscriptions, complementary financial products, data feeds and income streams), reducing employee angst and the need to generate fake outrage?

5. Perhaps you reject the premise of the question and think they have become more overtly political?

Matt Taibbi's avatar

My guess: financial news audiences need to hear real news, for practical reasons. They are not great at covering finance-sector corruption, and flatter that sector way too much, but their readers trade on both sides of the rest of the news, so they get a clearer picture of that reality.

whatnext's avatar

FT and WSJ are the only traditional media subscriptions I still keep. This despite my being 180 degrees off the editorial slant of the WSJ. The NYT went from being an unctuous mouthpiece of the establishment to a lying propaganda rag unctuous mouthpiece of the establishment. As you say, the Journal is the Journal, yea for corporate sociopathy and all that -- but relatively transparent in their biases. Your take on FT is funny, and true.

Substack Reader's avatar

I've always thought it's because making money trumps yay-team politics among their readers. Their readers want to know what the passage of a bill truly means -- so they can try to make a buck.

Trollificus's avatar

Little o' 2&3, lot of 4.

WaPo and the NYT have not only gone for the clickbait/outrage model, but have implemented it in the worst possible way: by hiring the "true believers" of the culture war, thereby giving them unwarranted credibility and damaging both the nation and the mental health of their readers.

A newsroom full of black-pilled cynics whoring themselves out for mediabux would be much preferable, and provide better content. (though I'm pretty sure they (and others) employ a few of those to this day.

None of the Above's avatar

One difference is that the WSJ has always had a paywall that they tried to make somewhat serious, and so couldn't compete to chase clicks/social media links.

Koshmarov's avatar

Serious question: How many WSJ and FT journalists spend all day on Twitter trying to build Twitter cred? I could do my own research, but,

Adam's avatar

WSJ has been on my sketchy list ever since a few years back when they put out a terrible hit piece on PewDiePie (Felix Kjellberg). I had no idea who he was at the time and had never seen any of his content, but I ended up looking into it and realizing that it was utter garbage and obviously deliberately misleading, not just an accident of bad journalism. He's an independent creator with a huge amount of followers and influence, so I guess they see him as a threat to be taken out.

El Monstro's avatar

The Economist remains as essential as ever. It wears its bias on its sleeve as it always has, so you can filter it correctly.

The WSJ has become my go to paper for US news after they cleverly lured me in with a discounted subscription. I think their readership drifted slightly left after the educated class abandoned the GOP, so they had to move to the center as well. Or I am just becoming more conservative/pragmatic. Probably a bit of both.

I still subscribe to WashPo, mostly for sentimental reasons. There are a few times in history when they really stood up to government overreach (Pentagon Papers, Edward Snowden, e.g. ?) and I am sure they still have the backbone to do that, so they deserve my support.

Plus I get a kick out of their reporting everytime one of the treasonous Jan. 6 crowd gets justice served, though I have discovered following the WUSA9 newsfeed is more viscerally satisfying as every single plea and conviction comes to my inbox. Highly recommended, if you are into that sort of thing.

Sevender's avatar

You write like someone who doesn’t remember the WSJ before Rupert took it over.

Jim M's avatar

WTF is a zipper font? Should I know what this means? Do I hafta Google now????? lol

JAFO's avatar

I misread it too, at first. Then thought, maybe they mean for the subscriber to pull the zipper and just accept what's behind it.

Tom Worster's avatar

Gotta laugh. Spoonful of sugar and all that.

News Nut's avatar

Matt, as I read this I couldn't help but wonder if you've watched or attempted to watch that Showtime doc THE FOURTH ESTATE, which was made to reflect the "inner workings" of the NYT in the aftermath of the Trump election. Calling it cringeworthy doesn't begin to describe how awful and embarrassing it actually is.

No wonder "Jill hates video"; who could blame her?!?

https://www.sho.com/video/61918/next-on-part-1

Kathleen McCook's avatar

I wish you could make italics in comments section--my only wish for a change.

DNY's avatar

Well, some of us can read html code, so <i>you could try making italics like this</i>. (^_^)

Kathleen McCook's avatar

That's a good idea as I used _Book Title_ and I made that up. So <i>Book Title/i> from now on. Thank you.

Charles Anesi's avatar

𝑱𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝒖𝒔𝒆 𝒂 𝒖𝒏𝒊𝒄𝒐𝒅𝒆 𝒈𝒆𝒏𝒆𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒐𝒓

Kathleen McCook's avatar

O, what a show off. How do you do this? Can you send me a message how to do this? I'm a librarian and if I could make italics in book titles in comments I would be over the moon. I honestly get a panic attack when I can't italicize a book title.

Tom Worster's avatar

_Gack!_

https://thefsb.substack.com/p/subparstack

didn't mean to link to a comment. Dagnabbit why can't I have a couple of minutes to edit my darned Subparstack comments?

Trollificus's avatar

"Something something Egyptian something."

I long ago realized that Font Nazis are worse than any "bad" font.

Mrs. McFarland's avatar

And lots and lots of emojis.😉

Delia Binder's avatar

They've never gotten over how well the McCarthy Witchhunts worked for their Corporate Masters' various bigoted - er, "anti-Communist" agendas!

Hell, we all got to see Hillary Rodham Clinton try to reignite them during all of Trump's terribly buffoonish regime!

Trollificus's avatar

That interview where she "outed" Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein I visualized her waving a list of "traitors" at the Senate, lol.

X7C00 (Timothy Hargadon)'s avatar

Here's an idea for the members of the corrupt MSM. How about asking Substack subscribers why they are willing to subscribe to, in my case, multiple Substack newsletters. I'm doing it with money I used to spend on traditional news sources. We, the readers, the news consumers, your customers, are not stupid. Your corruption is obvious and insulting. I have more respect for the PRAVDA writers. They had a gun to their heads. You MSM clowns all use the same words and phrases on the same day to describe some new threat to your comfy jobs or your political bosses comfy jobs. Won't one of you come clean and tell us exactly how that happens.You have no integrity. I feel like I'm being harangued not informed. You act like a holy priesthood that must not doubted. We overthrew one priesthood several hundred years ago and with the help of Matt and Glenn and Bari and Michael and others we will do it again. So FU and that over priced useless degree you'll never pay off. We, the readers, are tired of being told what words we can't use or what ideas we can't express. We're tired of being told what to think by people who were indoctrinated not educated. Please get out of the bubble and talk to people before it's too late. There are some pretty smart people out here with dirty hands who built everything around you and keep it all running. Their are folks who have devoted their whole life to protecting you. How about thanking them instead of deploring them. They make your easy life possible. How about thanking them for their service to society now and again. Read like your life depended on it. You might rediscover a new/old idea. I'm sure others here can add to the list. You won't beat the Substack bull pen (there I said it) any time soon with the same old play book that's ruined the formerly admired profession of journalism. Show some integrity, honesty and independence for a change. And Je_us Chr_st stop being such assholes.

Trollificus's avatar

A fine and well-deserved 𝑐𝑟𝑖 𝑑𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑒𝑢𝑟. I recently saw a "newswoman" interviewing some Senator and he was trying to explain what parents object to in the curricula their children are being taught. And she just said "Well, CRT is not being taught in the schools", and he was ready with quotes, examples, even receipts from payments to various Kendi/DiAngelo-inspired grifting consultancies. With each bit of evidence, she could only repeat "But...it isn't being taught.". And then to every subsequent bit of evidence contrary to her mantra, she just repeated it over and over.

By the end, she was kind of flustered. She KNEW she had just spouted contrafactual nonsense in response to real-world evidence...but still, somehow, that was all she was able to say. It was creepy, but also kind of funny.,

𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 where they are at. I cannot imagine this ending well, mental-heath-wise.

Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I just posted a plea to help Nicole Wallace… she’s about to lose it. I saw that interview… it’s like she believes in Santa Claus.

Spartacus's avatar

It is being taught. And it is a Marxist academics project. The goal is to "get'em young" so they can teach them class consciousness and teach them to be angry so they will have recruits later. Occupy was their previous 'big project'. And I have direct knowledge (that no news media were ever interested in) that the purpose of Occupy protests was to get the "bourgeoisie" to be angry enough to take up arms. I listened to two of the top people talk about how hard it was to deal with all those irritating people presenting solutions to problems. They would isolate such people with their cadres.

I marched in civil rights marches as a kid. I was interested in Occupy, and in the thick of it at UC Davis. But the core of this is vicious and evil. I evaded one of them, and enforcer, when he came after me because they knew I overheard.

Jonathan's avatar

You've definitely piqued my interest. Story time?

Spartacus's avatar

It was after the UC Davis pepper spray incident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident I participated in teach-ins on campus, teaching about banking and how money is created. That December, 23rd, I went to Delta of Venus a grad student hangout. https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5421083,-121.7441859,3a,75y,102.04h,90.03t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1s9gTHT-r4rzlC6ts0MN1gvw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i24 I went there to work on some things. and it was just me, and 2 guys there at a table about 8 feet away.

One guy had a nice beard, in his later 20's. The other was a Bakunin wannabe with a shaved head and heavy boots. Looked like he lifted. The were talking Marxism-Leninism when I started paying attention. They were drinking beer after dinner. The bearded guy was talking about teaching revolutionaries in Nepal Maoist tactics. (I know all about those. Kill the police, any officials, teachers and doctors. This puts the people in your power.) I started trying to see if I could surreptitiously record them, but thought better of it.

Then conversation turned to why the "guy from headquarters in New York" Mr. shaved head and boots was there. The top guy wanted to know how to replicate the fabulous success at UC Davis. It was like listening to Marxist revolutionaries run by Wall Street, just like this article by Matt Taibbi. The same mentality - find the secret sauce.

The bearded guy, a grad student in the philosophy department, complained about how hard it was to stop solutions from emerging. He spoke disparagingly of how bourgeois the population of Davis is. They talked about how hard it was to get people angry enough to take to the streets with arms. They discussed his ratios of cadre agents coordinated with group texts to size of crowd. This was how they engineered "consensus" with the hand-waving thing.

Around this time, Mr. Shaved-head and Boots took notice of me. They got up and went outside. There was a table and chairs outside the front window on the porch, next to the door. Mr. Shaved-head and Boots sat facing toward the door and watched me while they continued to talk. I spent about 20 minutes working, and then decided I should leave before they did. I wasn't liking the situation or his observing me.

I packed up my computer, and went out the door, walking briskly, making noise. I turned right at the sidewalk, walking towards town. I expected Mr. Shaved-head and Boots to come after me because their opsec was compromised. So I took evasive action and hid where I could watch. Sure enough, about 15 seconds later, Mr. Shaved-head and Boots went by on the sidewalk, scanning around, walking fast. Beard kid went the opposite direction. Mr. Shaved-head and Boots went off into the dark, cold evening with a bit of fog. The streets were dark and deserted. A perfect evening to take someone out.

I went to my car quickly and left. A few days later, I was in Mischka's https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5433618,-121.7405856,3a,75y,152.25h,88.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPHup32AYcFpHFQTkzy7DEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I looked up and saw Mr. Beard come in. I took a picture of him with my cell phone. He ordered his coffee, then he carefully turned around to scan the room. He saw me and jerked. Walked into the back toward the bathrooms and never came back. There is a door back there. He left his coffee after paying.

ChesterView's avatar

If you have a link to that interview I would love to see it. Not surprising though: they have (and / or believe in) a narrative and they are not going to let reality get in its way. Adversus solem ne loquitor.

Tom Worster's avatar

ℕ𝕚𝕔𝕖 𝕚𝕥𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕔𝕤!

JAFO's avatar

Legacy media on the whole, has turned into a pious religious zealot who sees everyone who might have a different opinion than their own as heretics and infidels, sadly.

J. Matthews's avatar

Don't hold back; tell us how you really feel.

Wazoomann's avatar

they do have a proverbial gun to their head. If you seek truth (e.g. the completely discredited Russia collusion/Steele Dossier) and expose it in the traditional newsroom, or on twitter let's say, you'll be tied to a wheel, set on fire, and rolled down Park Ave. Your career is over. Unless you have a real voice and can move to substack and make a living there.

Spartacus's avatar

RT is really very good. Way, way, post Pravda. BTW - Pravda writers found ways to tell their readers the truth. There's a great deposition by Mitrohkin in a US court about understanding a signature evaluation from an FSB graphologist. He said, "You must pay attention to what he does not say." The guy never actually said, yes, it is the signature of Mr. Konaynikyne.

T.L. Parker's avatar

You covered it...and the main word that stands out from all others is INTEGRITY! Isn't that why we abandoned the woke winnies

Mrs. McFarland's avatar

THANK YOU! My message to MSM: You’re just not all that, not even close, so stop thinking you are , you’ve met your offensive quota, we disqualified your lot long ago. And look after your fragile associate, Nicole Wallace, she’s about to lose her shit.

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Sue's avatar

I don’t know who backed Nick Sandman, but I am delighted that he sued CNN for $250 K and won. Yay!

Chris's avatar

Not $250 K it was MILLION!!. WAPO 250 Million , CNN 275 Million. They all settled for an unknown amount but you can be sure it was tens of millions. They didn't learn shit though. If Rittenhouse gets off, his lawsuits could bankrupt some news organizations, commentators and maybe even Biden. I do not want to go down a Rittenhouse rabbit hole , I am merely using him as an example of blanket coverage making defaming comments without evidence or a judgment being rendered yet.

Nobody's avatar

$250k is a drop in the bucket to a large corporation. If each company made more money in ratings than they lost in lawsuits then why would they stop? It's just a cost of doing business.

El Monstro's avatar

https://lawandcrime.com/media/some-lawyers-think-covington-catholics-nick-sandmann-walked-away-from-media-lawsuits-with-peanuts/

“Those with zero legal experience (as far as I can tell) should not be conjecturing on lawsuits they know nothing about,” said attorney Mark Zaid. “What kind of journalism is that?”

“I’ve litigated defamation cases. Sandman was undoubtedly paid nuisance value settlement & nothing more,” he added.

El Monstro's avatar

Tens of millions? Got a source for that? Or even a similar settlement so that we can reality check that number? I think they would not settle for more than the legal cost of defense.

Mrs. McFarland's avatar

And the WaPo, and NBC and the low life of media liars, Savannah Guthrie personally for an undisclosed amount… she admonished Sandmann on live TV knowing at the time, that he had not done any of the things she was shaming him for…

Pacificus's avatar

I like the cut of your jib!

Delia Binder's avatar

Lower than White Cops who Murder Black Kids with Impunity?

Lower than Used Car Salesmen?

Lower than...CONGRESS?!!??

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Chris's avatar

What's the beef with used car salesmen. They get a bad rap. No, I don't sell cars but I buy them from pretty nice people.

Arcanaut's avatar

#MeToo. I haven't bought a new car in 24 years, I think.

Atlas Shrugging's avatar

As with most hyperbole, it takes one to know one, so kudos to you. Not lower, but disturbingly close. And thus why many of us are here.

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El Monstro's avatar

Cops who shoot suspects dead have to be investigated by other cops, often their buddies. The real numbers of shootings of unarmed suspects is much higher than reported.

My Dad was a probation officer and he knew of cops who kept a handgun with the serial numbers filed off in case he needed it. Another one who kept a bag of coke for the same reason. If you think cops don't plant evidence you are living in lala land.

Tracey's avatar

" If they really wanted to wipe us out, of course, they could just put out a New York Times that sucked less. In a million years, that won’t occur to them." "the overall quality level of mainstream news plunged so low so long ago, audiences were starved for anything that wasn’t rancidly, insultingly dishonest."

Heh. Kind of the same thing among the Morally Better/So Much Smarter ilk in all sections of society. They get angry at people getting the attention they think they should get, so they lash out ("ban Dave Chappelle!" "outlaw Fox!") instead of look inward at why no one wants to read their newspaper, laugh at their "comedy," trust their credentials, be around them...the people I encounter like that in life increasingly shriek that they're "experts" while saying some of the most absurd things and sneering at others in their increasingly impenetrable bubble of self-righteous cluelessness. The collective delusion is so, so tiresome.

CTE's avatar

Our elites used to be better right? I ask seriously. During even times like the gilded age, I’m not crazy in thinking they at least had some class or sophistication that modern elites are bereft of? It’s wasn’t that they just had better control of the narrative and flow of information, but that they were better?

It’s a question I ask myself because I’m shocked at how unlikable, and pathetic, the modern elite has become. I guess there could have been elites like this before, who were completely out of touch and lacking any honor, in France right before a certain revolution. Or at least that is one plausible theory if our elites really are as bad as I suspect.

Sevender's avatar

Yes. Of course. I can’t stand when people answer questions like this with cynical aphorisms and personal anecdote to feign wisdom.

Rich elites have always done terrible things. But sometimes certain circumstances have restrained them.

For example, a sense of obligation, family and otherwise. Read Andrew Carnegie or any of the Roosevelt. Regardless of whether you agree with their specific acts and beliefs (you won’t), you cannot deny they were concerned about morality, God, family, community, values like hard work and courage, etc. alongside the worship of mammon.

Also, after the War, the rich felt just a tad chastened. The Depression had flattened wealth quite a bit. The War had demanded sacrifice from all. Wealthy families had seen powerful elites in other countries brought low by defeat or revolution. They had less power in a more equal society and also felt pressure to be quiet about the power they had.

Then there was the explosion of narcissism chiefly driven by affluent young people starting in the late ‘80s, particularly affecting women.

Also, a particularly childish brand of atheism triumphed without bothering to erect any new moral universe in its place, leaving society vulnerable to both nihilism and fanaticism.

So yes, Virginia, the rich were different once. Once they faced limits. Now they have none.

CTE's avatar

Those limits will be imposed, one way or another (this isn’t some veiled intention, just the laws of nature).

When new atheism came around I was sold. Now I’m kind of embarrassed to consider the moral superiority I felt then. Now I’m even considering religion where I had not before as I live around enough religious people and I can say that I see something good there that I don’t see in the people that are like myself a decade or so ago (some religious people can be the worst, there is and always will be a lot of grift in those circles, but I see genuineness in the most practitioners). Regardless, I see the same result of the atheism movement as you do and I wonder if the people most associated with it question themselves at all.

Sevender's avatar

When I was in college, open adult atheists had spent more time thinking through the moral dimensions of their convictions than any random pew-warmer ever had. Now it’s mostly memes and emojis. Hardly enough to separate man from beast.

It’s clearly not working for them either. Hence the triumph of the woke cult.

Stxbuck's avatar

No doubt. John Rockefeller is the Howard Zinn lib punching bag. What did he do-put some damn efficiency in a chaotic industry and then give most of his profits to charity. Oh, and he sometimes worshipped at black churches and gave the seed $$ to start Spellman College-it’s named after his wife. Dude was as non-racist as anyone in the 19th century

Alistair Penbroke's avatar

No, I'm pretty sure they always sucked. Opposition parties are separated in Parliament by a specific width calibrated to the length of a sword, specifically to stop them stabbing each other in the days when, you know, it was normal to carry swords around all the time.

Some of the 'elites' greatest hits in the 20th century:

1. World War 1, a Great War in aid of a cause so moral it requires a textbook to explain and even then you won't understand it.

2. World War 2, another Great War, this time the motivation was so simple it could have come straight out of a Marvel comic book yet somehow enough elites thought this was a good idea that it took the combined efforts of the entire Anglosphere to put them back in their box.

3. Communism and its various spinoffs.

4. Vietnam, the CIA, etc.

5. The war on terror.

Our elites have never been elite.

CTE's avatar

When you factor in war things do become more clear. I was thinking they at least built institutions but then the modern university is largely to serve the interests of power and not otherwise (same as media and that doesn’t even get into the cia). Well they at least presented better than our modern elites. They at least had a modicum self respect and stoicism.

flipshod's avatar

The romanticized idea of the truly superior, noblesse oblige, aristocracy comes from an age when the elites were far better educated than the peasants. This made them much more secure and put them in a position where they could actually benefit the rest.

That's all flattened now due to technology. So all we have is concentrated money at the top.

Delia Binder's avatar

Well, you know the East Coast Rich Intellectual Liberals Bill O'Reilly used to fly off the handle at? My (ex)Partner and I got to have dinner with them one night, because she was speaking at some school in Boston the next day. They pretty much pretended we didn't even exist throughout cocktails and the subsequent meal. We wondered why they bothered inviting us at all....

Sadly, Billo was right - they truly are every bit as self-righteously puffed-up, and out of touch, as he claimed they were. It really peeved me, since I hate giving that lot credit for anything.

CTE's avatar

I didn’t watch bill or Fox News. I was the NYT reader that was sure ever word printed was the Truth (or a close approximation). That’s an interesting experience. I can’t imagine being closed off like that yet they often claim to be doing things for the people they are closed off to.

Trollificus's avatar

Well, they are bound to hit a target once in a while, if only by accident. It's like they find a big pile of horse shit on the sidewalk and go off on a rant about horse owners, horse radish, stables, horse racing, unicorns and horse shit on the sidewalk.

They get the sidewalk part right.

Arianna's avatar

On the east coast, the second generation preferred shabby and anonymous. Smart. Their heirs however are loudmouth twitter narcissists who live in mortal fear they’ll lose their privilege

Koshmarov's avatar

"On the east coast, the second generation preferred shabby and anonymous. Smart."

Paul Fussell writes extensively about this in CLASS, IMHO the best sociological study of the Silent and Boomer generations. Paraphrasing, but it's something like "A dentist drives a Mercedes-Benz. Old money drives an old, shitty Buick."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60044.Class

Arianna's avatar

Nice. Did you write this Goodreads review Boris ‘...refreshingly bitter and cruel? My kind of book & my kind of review

J. Matthews's avatar

Narcissism was becoming prevalent 20 years ago, and now we're here.

Joshua's avatar

Aye, this has been my genesis theory for our current state as well. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. And when Trump, the ultimate grandiose caricature of narcissism, came on the scene - Boom!

You could see that most overreactions to him, from leaders in politics and media, to everyday people, were actually the result of being "exposed", subconsciously.

All the man did was hold a mirror up to these people - they didn't and still do not realize that what they don't like about him is what they don't like about themselves. Sure enough, their more poised, covert form of narcissism became unravelled and the projection was off the charts.

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Koshmarov's avatar

Thanks for this rec. He is hilarious.

Arianna's avatar

Seriously the educated left today is really (& I don’t like this cliché either) the indoctrinated left and I despair over the knowledge and critical thinking their ‘education’ fails to give them. The bullies turn into bullies - nothing new under the sun

Tracey's avatar

He is definitely self-aware, which is nice (and rare.)

Trollificus's avatar

Thanks. I've been looking for a self-identified "progressive" that's honest and smart enough that I can stomach reading them. Maurer certainly shows those traits.

ps) Team Some.

Tracey's avatar

Thanks for the recommendation.

The Upright Man.'s avatar

Taibbi, I like your thinking.

Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

Shane Gericke's avatar

The New Matt Times-Post-Gazette?

The Upright Man.'s avatar

Same Matt Time, Same Matt Channel!

Stop Being Lied To's avatar

You are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters...Of course Waltzing Matilda will be ear-worming me all day now, but still digging your posts

Koshmarov's avatar

I cannot wait for Frank Miller's THE DARK MATT RETURNS.

We will all be too old.

Ian Landesman's avatar

They could put out a New York Times that didn't suck, but it's too late for that. I am disillusioned with them to the point I was willing to pay you $50 a year. More voices would certainly be better, and that is what they use to offer, but I'd rather pay you to have a single truthful voice than any number of voices lying to me. Thanks for going on a limb and giving me an option. I really want to understand what is going on and the lying is so absurd these days I KNOW I'm being blatantly lied to... and it drove me to find you.

Dave Blackburn's avatar

Taibbi and Greenwald are tops amongst the few remaining real journalists.

Isaac P's avatar

My substack money goes to:

• Taibbi

• Greenwald

• Snowden

• The Dispatch

I also have digital NYT, and The Athletic. I think I’m covered.

Chris's avatar

Consider giving Bari Weis a try but one can only read so much. What would be great is if sub stack were to give readers a trial period to sample writers or a much higher fee to have an all access pass. But I don't know how much of this works.

Ceeteer's avatar

Great idea! It's hard to commit to a subscription based on a recommendation alone and, as it is now, you can't easily share articles with friends.

None of the Above's avatar

Freddie DeBoer is a good addition to the list. I probably disagree with him about more than I agree with him about, but he's smart and honest, which makes him worth listening to.

Stxbuck's avatar

Yes, he is very interesting.

Ceeteer's avatar

Thanks! Will give him a try!

Ceeteer's avatar

Love this list! I would add Coleman Hughes, Aaron Mate, Bari Weiss, Jeremy Lee Quinn, Wesley Yang, John McWhorter, Glen Lourey, Thomas Frank, Brett Weinstein, Heather Heying, Joe Rogan, Quillette, City Journal, Jimmy Dore, and Crystal & Saagar to this list. Perhaps controversially, I'd also add Megyn Kelley. I don't trust any one on this list to own the truth, and I frequently disagree with their conclusions. But their biases are easy to discern and weigh. With the exception of Dore, who accidentally shares a ton of news as proselytizes, they seem to be aware of their biases, and to make an effort to keep them in check. What I can rely on 8s their intention to be as truthful with their audiences as they're humanly capable of being.

Chris's avatar

You seem to have a line of sight of my pod cast library

Patrick's avatar

I can't agree more. People need to grow up, and listen to what they don't want to hear, rather than be reassured in an echo chamber. You know the thing!

Nanthew Shandridan's avatar

Yah they have kind of committed pretty hard to their current "model" and there is a lot of momentum to the resulting effects of that. If the New York Times became a wonder of truth, honesty, and hard cutting journalism that was enlightening and entertaining magically over night it would probably still take like 30 years from now or more to win back over the people they have spent so much effort disappointing and disillusioning. For all their idiocy as outlined by Matt above, they probably do recognize that on some level so they do realize that such an approach would be too expensive and big a commitment to pull off at this point leaving them with nothing left to do but double down on their hunt for better gimmicks.

Mike Siesel's avatar

Simple. They have a revenue stream other than their subscriptions, and they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Read: The MIC, Big Pharma, Banks.

J. Arlo Mullinix's avatar

I think one of the issues is that these people have such a centralized mindset, that they cannot comprehend the concept of decentralization itself. To borrow a metaphor from Mass Effect, explaining a decentralized subscription service like Substack to a New York Times executive is like trying to explain color to a creature with no eyes. It just will not compute. The only way they can make sense of it is to centralize it which of course defeats the point in the first place.

The ruling elite are becoming increasingly irrelevant as more decentralized alternatives emerge. They are shocked to find out that people are demanding they put out something of actual worth and value. When something like Substack comes around and rewards people who do put out something of value, it is a direct threat against them. Right now, they are trying to minimize independent creators. Just wait until they get more desperate after their copy-cat attempts fail. They will get nasty, but they are dinosaurs and the meteor already hit.

Kathleen McCook's avatar

Also the extreme moderation of comments in the old media made them no fun. It was like being in church. The Substack commenters are mostly thoughtful and have provided many citations and ideas that expand the creator's observations.

Clever Pseudonym's avatar

also substack has introduced me to so many smart and talented writers...like salome sibonex, michael tracey, justin smith, Niccolo Soldo, and...kathleen mccook ;))

Kathleen McCook's avatar

I have commenter favs, too, CP

Kathleen McCook's avatar

Really, after a year of Substack..such a relief from being voiceless it's a relief to have back & forth with some humor and the commenters here often fill in a lot of blanks or have memories or recommends that enrich the creator's initial post. And no censorship and hardly anyone seems to be hanging desperately to a party agenda.

todaystomsawyer's avatar

I subscribe to Substack writers in the same way one might hire an attorney to sort out conflicting legal theories. I hire an independent professional journalist beholden to no one but his clients. All I ask for is help sorting out the sh^t from shinola I see in the competing media narratives.

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He is likely making more money and has a platform for reaching a wider audience. He may be back when his woke bosses tire of their cute contrarian.

Trollificus's avatar

I don't think it's super significant. He's making even more and as pointed out below, he's really trying to reach people. One of his best qualities, he's a really good guy who's sincere in thinking his analyses will help people.

It's not like they said "We've got a big bag labeled "Swag" and you just have to preach CRT for us. Remember, only two answers for any negative event:

1) racism

2) Trump."

Substack Reader's avatar

Yes and no. He was preaching to the choir at Substack. I no longer read him, but I know his views at this point.

Arianna's avatar

Before msm went online, newsletters and ‘The Well’ blog were huge

Kathleen McCook's avatar

what I like so much abt. comments...all ages appreciated and knowledge of life before online.

Spartacus's avatar

The WELL. Sheesh. Always ALL CAPS. Which is funny, but also true.

Arianna's avatar

Age (too old or too young) and historiography illiteracy

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CTE's avatar

Remember when it came out that the young staff at NYT insisted that they talk about race more often because EVERY story is about race in some way? Imagine that world view. These people are miserable.

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J. Arlo Mullinix's avatar

Yes, they have a ton of money but they are also completely useless. We don't need them. We don't need their charity. We don't need their influence. We don't need their gate keeping. They are becoming culturally and socially irrelevant. They are not dictating the trajectory of culture anymore. They have all the money in the world but are losing what truly matters.

Arianna's avatar

Let them fight among themselves no one cares

Koshmarov's avatar

I care only to the extent I think it's funny. It's like watching a Brian De Palma movie.

Trollificus's avatar

Business Insider has whored themselves out so shamelessly, I won't even click on them.

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Koshmarov's avatar

It's OK, buddy. We all have to make the $$$

Trollificus's avatar

Lol. Thanks for the mea culpa. I had to, HAD TO call you out on it, lol.

Principles vs Tribes's avatar

The media reacts to Substack's success the same way the Democrats react to the Virginia elections: By assuming that their product would be wildly popular if only they marketed it better.

Anon's avatar

They didn't even have that level of self-awareness when it comes to the Virginia election. Instead it's just, "if you don't like our product, you're a racist."

CTE's avatar

They are actually doubling down on it everything being racist. I didn’t see that coming. I should stop having expectations.

OldMillennialGuy's avatar

Let's kick the level of self-awareness down even another notch. In the tail end and aftermath of the election, there was a neck-snapping shift from trying to push a product (CRT-etc) to denying it ever existed in the first place. The best they could do was mock a few parents who couldn't give an on-the-spot grad school level critical analysis of why they opposed CRT.

Trollificus's avatar

AND finely parse the phrase "is not in the curriculum". Despite the fact there are tons of (pretty large) receipts from consultancies and "advising firms" and other transparent race-grifters who ARE in the schools. Which seems an approach more designed to provide plausible deniability than to properly educate children.

Mark Kennedy's avatar

What ever happened to, "You don't need to sell the sizzle when you've got real steak?" Americans used to understand this--and American journalists understood it. 'Man Walks on Moon' doesn't need adornment.

Koshmarov's avatar

What exactly was accomplished by walking on the moon, though? I guess Stanley Kubrick got a movie out of it.

Phisto Sobanii's avatar

Dad jokes.

I’m not even kidding. Armstrong would tell really bad stories about the moon, then quip, “Guess you had to be there.”

;)

Koshmarov's avatar

I still don't understand what the point of the whole thing was. I guess dad jokes are basically dick jokes. "Hey, I walked on the moon!" See Andrei Tarkovsky's SOLARIS (1972).

Trollificus's avatar

It ain't a Dad joke till it's full groan.

Koshmarov's avatar

Ah, sorry to rehash an old comment, but I have always loved ECC's "The Fucking Moon." It is an artistic statement that adequately summarizes my feelings about the whole enterprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AKxsljxKhc

Mark Kennedy's avatar

Surely just going there was accomplishment enough--and newsworthy. 'Where no man (or for that matter, any other Earth-bound creature) has gone before,' right? Career journalists of the era had been waiting their entire lives to be able to run that headline.

Fig Newton's avatar

Nope, the threat is real and existential to legacy/corrupt/corrupt/pharma drug pushing media, it's not me -- it's you.

Cancelled the NYT....read only the WSJ Editorial page (and believe less than half of what I read)...support the Epoch Times for their stick it to the CCP stance, and several Substack writers from across the political gamut.

Moronic Mainstream Media is done -- all they are good for now is as a punchline.

Alistair Penbroke's avatar

Unfortunately it's not quite that easy.

The "mainstream" media is mainstream because a single publication / subscription covers a wide variety of topics. Tabbi is great but on his Substack I cannot get a lot of what you might call regular news - was there an earthquake in Indonesia today? Is inflation going higher or lower? Did the government announce a new policy? etc.

This is sort of the problem. Most newsletter writers are basically single-issue writers, and the ones the NYT stress out about are mostly writing on the topic of how much the US media suck. Well, sure. But that doesn't actually compete with them outside a tiny window of stories, it only points out how much they need competition.

Stop Being Lied To's avatar

While I agree entirely with your insight (and was planning to post it myself) it does make me wonder, did Trump cause that earthquake in Indonesia? Was it global warming - entirely and exclusively the fault of Trump and the GOP? Is it proof that even the earth is racist for striking Indonesia that way? So many questions for the old gray mare..er.. lady, to answer for me

David Otness's avatar

Falun Gong fans need iteration too. Sure, I get it it. Just like the beleaguered and benighted Uighurs. Those poor bastards. OH, the Humanity!!

Fig Newton's avatar

Hellyeah!

Turtles all the way down!

David Otness's avatar

BTW-TWIMC---The above is pure, unalloyed snnnnark-asm.

Boris Petrov's avatar

Epoch Times == The Falun Gong well-financed anti-Communist "religion"... ;-))

Boris Petrov's avatar

Falun Gong lunatics are the main CIA "source" about Uyghur "genocide" in China.

We need to agitate for freedom and democracy in – our beloved USA. Although near term hopeless -- I believe in multi-party system, unlike current one party monopoly with two right wings.

China raised 800 million of its citizens - from periodic mass starvation into middle class -- an unprecedented success -- while DNC and GOP oligarchs essentially eliminated middle class in the US.

"53K US contractors in the Middle East versus -- for 35K troops" !!! What a lucrative business and worth unlimited donations to both DNC and GOP politicians. Highlighting just that "detail" -- tells it all....

A 1%-er War party with two right (DNC and GOP) wings -- gay marriage, abortion, "woke", and other imposed topics are just distractions to divide 99% of population into "red" and "blue" camps.

But brainwashed US citizen agitate "freeing" China and increasing hate of Moslems, Russians, Chinese, Martians - just to avoid thinking about our own beloved country.

1%-er overlords are playing us like a violin...

CTE's avatar

I agree with much of what you say but everyone who things China is a runaway success story, or an unstoppable threat, should probably consider the massive structural problems they have both in the near term and long term. Short term they have the biggest housing bubble the world has seen largely because of the the restrictions placed by the CCP. long term they are facing demographic time bomb thanks again the the central meddlers.

Point being: China has massive problems and we should focus on the oligarchs at home than China’s role in the world (their problems could certainly becomes ours too though thanks to the gutting of so much industry here by the domestic managers).

Boris Petrov's avatar

Thank you.

China is far more capitalist than the US, Russia has not been Communist for 30+ years, while the US is a corporate socialism (more polite term for fascism)

Financial Times -- July 8, 2021:

“China’s emergence over the past four decades ranks as the biggest and longest-run economic boom in history. Its annual gross domestic product rose from a mere $191 B, or $195 per capita, in 1980 to $14.3 T, or $10,261 per capita, in 2019.

It has raised more than 770m people from poverty and transformed the Chinese economy into a high-tech powerhouse that is on course to eclipse America’s in size. This transformation is the landmark achievement of the Chinese Communist party, which celebrates its 100th anniversary on Thursday.”

Gnomon Pillar's avatar

But you have earned points here by confessing to consuming The Epoch Times. ET makes the Washington Examiner look like the Whole Earth Catalog. A fun read from time to time.

Boris Petrov's avatar

Pompeo's State Dept relied on Falun Gong “Epoch Times” and End Times extremist @adrianzenz to accuse China of genocide (CIA’s anti-China strategy documented several years ago).

Grayzone’s review of Zenz's papers shows wanton data abuse, absurd manipulation of source material, fabrications & huge errors.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/

Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Who is "China?" You talkin' the 800 million "middle class" or the CCP? Because they ain't the same entity. And any Chinese citizen today who identifies as "middle class" will tell you, secretly, in a whisper, they attained that status despite the CCP, not because of it. Hey Boris: the DNC and GOP are not your friends. Nor is the CCP.

The rot of the U.S. political apparatus should not invoke fawning, knee-jerk appraisals eastward toward the CCP. And in the U.S., there is no shortage of brainwashed citizens, nor has there ever been, nor will there ever likely be, but are they agitating "freeing" China? 3-4 dozen maybe.

And ask the the average American what the "Uyghurs" mean to them, and they'll more than likely respond that they're unpleasant nasal detritus to be plucked out of their noses.

We don't want hostilities with the Chinese, we must do business with the Chinese, but we also don't want to award them a float in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Especially since I've been on the waiting list for years for one.

Boris Petrov's avatar

Correct -- we fully agree on all points.

From time to time I provide counterpoints to few readers who were brainwashed to think that one can't hate xxxx enough.....

(put in your pick -- China, Russia, Palestinians, Iran, Venezuela, etc. --- as served for 70+ years by CIA stenographers in the US state (i.e., corporate) media

Fig Newton's avatar

you should definitely start your own group!

Galun Fong

Show em how to do it!

Neo's avatar

Maybe he can run a Beijing based substack??

Boris Petrov's avatar

Financial Times -- July 8, 2021:

“China’s emergence over the past four decades ranks as the biggest and longest-run economic boom in history. Its annual gross domestic product rose from a mere $191 B, or $195 per capita, in 1980 to $14.3 T, or $10,261 per capita, in 2019.

It has raised more than 770m people from poverty and transformed the Chinese economy into a high-tech powerhouse that is on course to eclipse America’s in size. This transformation is the landmark achievement of the Chinese Communist party, which celebrates its 100th anniversary on Thursday.”

Spartacus's avatar

Steal Economist articles!

Stop Being Lied To's avatar

LOL @ The NYT... I scan it daily and still, nearly a year after Biden took office, there are more articles about Trump, than about Biden.

Will they never learn?

Anonymous's avatar

His name is what generates clicks unfortunately. Still milking it so they can sell advertisements.

Stop Being Lied To's avatar

All the click-bait and disinformation that fits in print (or on-line)

Koshmarov's avatar

This is still funny to me. In this narrative, Trump is the boogeyman under the bed. They need a villain to vilify and burn down; a Wicker Man, if you will.

SW's avatar

You are a bargain! For about the cost of 1 gallon of gas ($4 -- give or take) per month, I can read an honest opinion and well researched articles. If the NYT really wants to attract readers, how about they actually print the truth?

Mitch Barrie's avatar

"For about the cost of 1 gallon of gas ($4 -- give or take) per month, I can read an honest opinion and well researched articles."

And laff.

jbt1980's avatar

Impossible! They are key organ of the Empire, which is mutually exclusive with being "reality based": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

JordanM's avatar

“…technically human editor…” LMAO

jbt1980's avatar

As they say, all humans have own opinions and an ***-hole... MSM editors have only one of this too, therefore just "technically" human :-)

El Dingo Digital's avatar

They hate Substack because it is real, bottom up truth from writers who don't want to be controlled by some fake big media editors or execs.

The NYT Substrack clone won't succeed because it is missing the key ingredients - truth and honest feedback.

Jim Trageser's avatar

Brilliant piece.

For myself, I subscribe to a half-dozen Substacks because reading them gives me the same enjoyment I got reading HST in the Rolling Stone 40 years ago, or Tom Wolfe, or Nat Hentoff. Good, crisp copy that actually has something substantive to say.

What a thought ....

Curmudgeon11's avatar

back in the early 80’s i saw tom wolfe speak at Fordham in the bronx. during q and a a student asked why he started writing non fiction. he said that when the world around you starts becoming more interesting than anything you can make up yourself, as a writer you have no choice. where is the next tom wolfe?

Jim M's avatar

I think Matt's a decent enough heir. I just sat back and reflected 'who else?' and came up empty. For example, re-read the first chap or 2 of Wolfe's 'The Right Stuff' and put it against Matt's Wall St book. 'Vampire Squid'??? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, he's got that voice too.

Sadly (and if you know any, PUH-LEEZE correct me) I can't name another actual 'reporter' out there (v the swath of opinon bloviators) that has that kind of voice. Michael Tracey's the only other boots on the ground reporter I know. I mean I LOVE Stoeller, but he does everything from a computer terminal. Tracey's coming along, but he's not...

lighthearted? like Wolfe or Matt are.

When Matt hopped on Amtrack to check out Va during the gubernatorial race there, I was so damn happy.

Boots on the ground reporters I love.

Anon's avatar

I think James Corbett has a similar sense of humor. His Corbett Report show tackles darker stuff but he does his absolute best to leaven it with humor and ways to fight back. My personal fave phrase of his: "precedent trump"

Curmudgeon11's avatar

you guys are darn close.

Jim M's avatar

I remember Wolf serializing Bonfire in the 80's! I felt like I was sooo smart getting a subscription!

Anon's avatar

You know why I plunk down cash to subscribe to TK News (and now also Breaking Points)? Because I like consuming journalism from people that don't hate me. The mainstream media mostly hates my guts, they consider me a plague rat. So I can't consume news from them without becoming paranoid and hateful in turn. So I look for news sources that appear to be smart (or at least fairly "professional") and not hate me, and I pay them so they'll stick around and provide me with more news in the mornings. It's not that complicated.

rtj's avatar

That's actually a very good point. The NYT hates people like me (working class, unwoke), and Democratic candidates like Hilary Clinton had nothing but obvious contempt for me, but somehow expected my vote anyway. Bernie didn't hate me. And there was that Dem congresswoman (forget her name) who said the Dems should have learned a lesson from Donald Trump, who didn't look down on anybody.

Stop Being Lied To's avatar

You're deplorable!!~ I believe the congresswoman you're referring to is Tulsi Gabbard. I'd fantasized many times over that she and Bernie would team up and run for President as Indies (back in '16, or even in '20). The press did a typically unconscionable job of ignoring her candidacy, and making her an unperson. Still, she got more delegates in the Primary than the Veep did

rtj's avatar

The Veep never even made it to the primary. Which i never tire of reminding Democrats of when they say Warren came in third in her own state (and mine). Gee, think people were on to something when they declined to support the inept Harris and she had to drop out? And now they're stuck with her.Seems to be working out well for them.

rtj's avatar

Actually it wasn't Tulsi. I found it, it was Elissa Slotkin.