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Sea Sentry's avatar

The visceral reaction of anti-Trump and now anti-Musk protesters is long on emotion and short on reason. Are they against electric cars? Tesla basically launched the industry. SpaceX has filled the void of failure of NASA's space program - should we abandon space travel, research and exploration? The government wastes hundreds of billions of dollars each year that our country could use more productively - are they pro-grift? It's hard to argue that Musk is a generational talent to the benefit of the U.S. and mankind. And yet he is called a Nazi. Really?

When you think about it, lefties touted Teslas to virtue signal, and now they key them. Is this some kind of psychiatric disorder?

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@CLJ3's avatar

I think it's pretty straightforward. We have had several decades of sample size to measure he social, economic, and public health policies of the left and they are an abject failure. When the legs of your stool break, you are on your ass. And that's where they are, they know it, and it's tough to acknowledge.

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Running Burning Man's avatar

There is world wide precedent .... Soviet Russia, the East Bloc countries, China before it modified to just a capitalist klepto-state. The American Left has been rooting for Communism and Socialism for 100+ years. Economic evidence does not dissuade them because they are not motivated by economics, but by jealousy. The notion that someone, anyone, has something they do not drives them nuts. When they see any one creating goods and services they scream in rage. They seek a tryanny to crush those who are successful. Mass misery - that is, everyone else as miserable as they - is their goal.

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C.C. 95's avatar

I don't think they understand that someone getting rich, doesn't make you poor.

It's not a zero sum game.

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Efferous's avatar

It's easier to even the playing field by bringing others down than to elevate yourself.

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Ministryofbullshit's avatar

They probably don’t know that Musk lives in a double wide with plastic furniture as his permanent Texas residence.

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Ronald Hayes's avatar

I’ve seen capitalism described as being motivated by greed. I believe there is some truth to that view. However, I believe the left is motivated by envy, which is much worse for our society than greed. The greedy person wants more for themselves and is less concerned about what others may have. The envious person wants what others have, wants to take it from them, and hates them because they have it.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Greed is a vice that can be found across the board. There are greedy capitalists just as there are greedy greenies.

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@CLJ3's avatar

Right. Just look at who has been milking the USAID cow.

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Deryl Robinson's avatar

I think greed is wanting to take out more than you put in. And always wanting more. That can be said of the left as much or more than the rich.

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Ministryofbullshit's avatar

Another point is that “wealth” isn’t real unless it’s realized into cash or a reserve currency. The quip from wolf of Wall Street fugazzi. (Sure they get rich “on paper”, we take home piles of cash from fees).

My house is supposedly worth (whatever number). property is taxed based on that number whether I sell it or not (in 2008 it went down by forty percent, I didn’t get my taxes refunded). Corporations go in and out of the S&P 500 all the time. Union laborers pensions are invested in corporations. Leftist university endowments are invested In corporations. The Leftist Inheritance club (Taylor Lorenz) trusts are invested in corporations.

Most of them, including Marx himself, are attention starved bourgeois power leftists.

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DaveL's avatar

It’s interesting, the references to China and Russia. The House Hearings on the Censorship Industry just completed, where Matt Taibbi testified (nice job, Matt!). The opposition, including Nina Jankowicz seemed to have a remarkably coordinated response:

1. There is no censorship, it is conspiracy theory.

2. The threat to 1st Amendment is under much greater threat by Trump now.

3. Private platforms’ Terms of Service allows them to allow or disallow anything they want.

4. The American people must be protected from propaganda and misinformation, sourced mainly from Russia and China.

(1) Not true

(2) Likely true, but not relevant to the Hearings’ topic

(3) True, but sidesteps the issue of government ”guidance” which includes starving certain sites of revenue.

(4) Here’s the China/Russia connection: apparently we need to emulate China/Russia control of information/ propaganda, because ordinary Americans can’t be trusted to judge for themselves.

Jankowicz is obviously very intelligent and a ready speaker, but seems to aligned herself with some evil ideas. She even defended the infamous 51 intelligence persons’ letter debunking the Hunter laptop as a topic having hallmarks of Russian intelligence in the hearing.

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@CLJ3's avatar

All in, I don't think the 1st Amendment is under more duress now vs the prior administration. (I cant imagine where we'd be heading if Elon Musk did not buy X, and Kamala Harris was the figurehead president).

If there's an over correction it's around the measures being taken to address antisemitism. There's no argument about what we have seen on college campuses, and discrimination against any group needs to be dealt with properly. But this said Israel's influence in our politics is outsized (for more, read/listen to Glenn Greenwald). The head-scratcher are those on the left then calling Pres. Trump Hitler.

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Running Burning Man's avatar

Israel's "influence" on our politics is not "outsized". It likely is not large enough (see, e.g., senile Biden and his henchmen's behavior; see Obama having Bibi come into the White House though the side door). The reason Israel gets so much political support in the US is because everyday Americans grasp the historical treatment of Jews in Europe, in the Middle East. They are in favor of the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish state. Americans look around Israel's borders and see the savagery of Islam in Islamic governments and the constant barrage of attacks on Israel. AIPAC or other Jewish lobbying groups simply do what countless other interest groups do - they seek support in the halls of Congress. Your problem is that you don't agree with support for Israel and thus find it wrong. And Greenwald went around the bend years ago. He is not a credible speaker on Israel.

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Bobby Lime's avatar

Beautifully said. I'm 72, and remember the euphoria in the United States which followed The Six Day War. For that matter, when I was a child in the late 1950s, I was trying to take in the horror of The Holocaust just a little later than my parents' generation had. I remember what a big deal it was when the Israelis caught up with Eichmann.

As recently as ten years ago, I could not have imagined I would live to see the United States take the turn toward anti - Semitism which it has. When I was a teenager in the still desegregating American south, an open anti - Semite would have been regarded as scum. I knew several adult racists, but with one exception, none of them was mean. And if I knew any anti - Semites, they did a fine job of keeping it to themselves.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

"Everyday Americans grasp the historical treatment of Jews in Europe, in the Middle East. They are in favor of the existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish state. Americans look around Israel's borders and see the savagery of Islam in Islamic governments and the constant barrage of attacks on Israel."

I agree completely. Anyone who defends Islam and Islamic states while claiming to value individual liberty and religious toleration is an idiot who refuses to look at reality.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

C'mon. Everyday Americans don't even think about Israel or Jews in general unless specifically engaged on it, and even then most don't care. Speak for yourself, not us.

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DaveL's avatar

I wouldn’t dispute that; the point is the Hearings were about the Censorship machine. It’s a form of deflection, a fallacy in argument.

It’s seems clear Trump, et al, have no use for the Bill of Rights.

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badnabor's avatar

It should be clarified that the agitating left, as you correctly state, are surely motivated by jealousy. Economic realities escape their capacity for critical thought. They can't seem to grasp the concept that accruing wealth is mainly a function of the application of intelligence and work. They only desire the rewards, regardless of their ability or desire to contribute. Their mantra of equal outcomes for all, only showcases their gross lack of understanding.

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Richard Fahrner's avatar

Atlas Shrugged

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mikjall's avatar

There is no "American Left". In the present case, there are just a bunch of perople who are very pissed off for a variety of reasons—some good, some bad; and there's another group who are pissed off at the people who are pissed off. Very few on either side have reasons that are worth listening to. But in any case, this is not a case of "left" and "right"—terms that no longer mean anything as applied to American politics.

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Danno's avatar

They need to rig the game in order to achieve anything.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

Absolutely. Jealousy and childish, foot-stamping resentment. If I didn't hate them so much I might pity them.

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

Like the stool metaphor a lot!! 👍🏻

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Noam Deplume, Jr. (look,at,me)'s avatar

Speaking of stools, this is a relatively short one. Big wisdom in a tiny package was apparently the goal.

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C.C. 95's avatar

Elon owns only 11% of TESLA. They're hurting innocent people, not Elon.

But, left wing morons are gonna moron.

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

But.. but.. If he only paid Bernie's taxes, Social Security could be doubled for all and would be solvent for 100 years......

They don't seem to understand math or reality either.

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steven t koenig's avatar

It's just children play-acting that they are important. Nazi is just the longest word they could pronounce

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SGC's avatar

Nazi. Racist. Facist.

Nazi. Racist. Racist.

The left has such a LARGE vocabulary.

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steven t koenig's avatar

Show a little respect here! All of those words have two syllables.

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Joni Lang's avatar

😂😂

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C.C. 95's avatar

The irony- using violence to further a political end has name: Fascism.

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Ryan McCann's avatar

Fire is simpler than thought. It's a core theme of my latest piece:

With liberals like these, who needs conservatives?

https://open.substack.com/pub/typerider/p/with-liberals-like-these-who-needs?r=2ywal&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

And let’s not overlook mentioning Neurolink…. Researching and developing chip implants enabling quadriplegics to be mobile again. Also not Nazi like behavior….

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Pat Robinson's avatar

Don’t fool yourself, there are plenty of people out there who will defend people’s “right” to be crippled or blind

Trying to fix such problems makes assumption the disabilities are a problem.

Yes people actually think that way

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DaveL's avatar

Unfortunately, you’re right .

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Great addition!

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P Wilens's avatar

My question is whether the “visceral reaction” is real or bought and paid for by the NGOs who had their government funding cut. I believe that may well be where the real story is!

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Steve C's avatar

They behave like rabid dogs, but are more predictable.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I think I saw the Karen yelling at the Cybertruck driver in one of those road rage videos on Youtube.

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MG's avatar

Doesn't anyone carry mace anymore? Or have a Rottweiler?

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VideoSavant's avatar

I agree. They are very much like rabid dogs.

But I don't agree that they are predictable, or harmless.

If anything, they have worked themselves into a corner. And still rabid, if not more rabid than ever.

And it is important to understand that they are not going to quietly die in that corner. Sooner or later, they're coming out, with fangs and claws a-blazing.

That's when it will get interesting.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

It's a bunch of 67-year-old white women. They're harmless.

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Marie Silvani's avatar

Musk was just on The Five and said they’ve identified the organizers and money behind most of the anti Tesla movements.

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Steve C's avatar

My take? "Trump Bad" = predictable. Jmho

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Hektor Bleriot's avatar

Perfectly stated! And yes, it is a psychiatric issue. And a moral one. The fact of the matter is virtue signaling is just that: just signaling. It's not actual virtue. That's the reason for the flip flop on electric cars. Granted, specifically Tesla electric cars, but if they had any real virtue they would know better than to key someone else's car just because they hate the guy who developed it. And they wouldn't hate the guy who developed it because he doesn't share their political views. He indeed is responsible for saving the entire electric car industry, worldwide.

It's an old and increasingly trite way of putting it, but, true nonetheless; "liberalism IS a mental disorder."

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

Yes. If not in the DSM, it is a much overlooked entry because the DSM folks and the Wikipedia editors are the same, lol! 😂😅

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Julia's avatar

They going to believe any nonsense (like "fascism" or that Musk is stealing money) because their TV (and incumbent Democrats, I would add) tells them to hate and fear Elon Musk. Two-minute hate every hour. Those are powerful emotions able to shut down any critical thinking.

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Dave Slate's avatar

Another possible reason for the anti-Elon, anti-Tesla protests: although Tesla's cars are manufactured in the U.S., Tesla is also a mainly non-union company, and has strongly resisted organized labor's attempts to unionize it. This makes Tesla a symbol of the oppression of the working class for a wide swath of the political spectrum: socialists, progressives, mainstream Democrats, and even some conservatives.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

No one even paid attention to that except for UAW leaders. This is just anger that Trump won being displayed against his most notable supporter.

Tesla pays its workers very good wages. The oppression of the working class isn't into paying very good wages. The oppression of the working class moves jobs to Mexico and China.

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Good point.

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Danno's avatar

They're horrified that Elon left the plantation. The purpose of the terror campaign is to keep the rest of their oligarchs in line.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Yes, very much so, plus the pay they get for standing around shouting tired old slogans makes it a fun way to earn a buck and street cred among the[ir] kids. So many out there are really old farts. This gives the old hipsters a way to relive their 60's radicalism.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

It is stupidity bordering on insanity, for sure. Pure spite and vengefulness and who cares if it makes zero sense.

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Deryl Robinson's avatar

These protests bear some similarities to union goon activities. So it makes me think some of it is government employees. The rest of it looks like people getting bad information and focusing their ire in the wrong direction.

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Deryl Robinson's avatar

It’s a mystery until you stop trying to make it make sense. To them it doesn’t have to make sense. The view from the left has never made sense. In this case they’ve been told who to hate by whoever they trust and so that’s who they hate.

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Noam Deplume, Jr. (look,at,me)'s avatar

The first guy shot at the Boston Massacre lacked a history of publication on the need for American liberty. Assholes like to go out, get in a group, and play badass. Not really an ideological thing. Chickens cluster to peck the different chicken to death. When that is explained, science can move on to humans.

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Rooster's avatar

That guy’s comment that we’re all Americans made me happy. I know it’s not even noon, but nevertheless it made my day.

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Kelly Green's avatar

He said "We're all Americans" without evidence.

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Rooster's avatar

Who knows - maybe he didn’t see anybody being black bagged and disappeared by people who refused to identify themselves so he just assumed.

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Kelly Green's avatar

Ass u me

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DaveL's avatar

…falsely claimed… without evidence.

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

true 🤔

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

I'm guessing that there's a 'rest of the story' in which the Leftists ended up beating him up or driving him away.

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Danno's avatar

He was probably disciplined by the community organizers for not staying 'on message'.

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Stop Being Lied To's avatar

I thought people outgrew temper tantrums by the time they entered 1st grade.

The tantrums that continue rising from the left, with an odd and surreal pride, have grown embarrassing. I went out this weekend and purchased a Tesla in support of Mr. Musk and all that he has done for technology, the environment, censorship, space exploration (including the rescued astronauts), and providing communications to the world (including Ukraine). I agree with cutting government waste and fraud, and am aware that medicine is often hard to swallow and suffer. Elon Musk is willing to suffer a loss of millions, if not billions, to do what the people who elected the President, at whose pleasure he serves, asked.

I tip my hat and offer my support to not just the nobility of the task, but to the more noble reality that actions, not words, are finally the order of the day.

Oh...and I also bought a thousand shares of Tesla stock yesterday before shares started soaring today

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Anyone who can drop a quarter million on a stock purchase can afford to buy a new Tesla as well.

And let's not forget that the tantrums run both ways. There has been a lot of 1st grade behavior among the President's supporters as well. Charlottesville and the US Capitol come to mind.

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MG's avatar

Oh you gotta laugh at that one....

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P.S.'s avatar

LOL...Poo Poo..

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Were you there? Projecting again.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I saw a picture of the guy with the Viking helmet. That qualifies for 1st grade behavior. Dress-up and all that.

And the “Jews will not replace us!” guys with the backyard citronella tiki torches? With all that antisemitism, I’m surprised Charlottesville hasn’t seen all it’s fed money dry up.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Must have been a Minnesota progressive you saw. Do you like mosquitos? Do you mean antigentilism. What about the Charlottesville myth? What’s it like observing events from your computer reading the press spin a tale to provide your itch for confirmation bias since you weren’t there, but you read about, right. LoL

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Not sure what you're smoking, but sharing would be the polite move.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Interesting, smoking you say? You painted a picture and I interpreted it and I am sharing that with you.

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Ryan McCann's avatar

Nope. Fire is simpler than thought.

Today's left/liberalism demands urgent examination.

It's the core theme of my latest piece: With liberals like these, who needs conservatives?

https://open.substack.com/pub/typerider/p/with-liberals-like-these-who-needs?r=2ywal&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Marie Silvani's avatar

We bot too and shares are up 10%.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I believe you and others, that you bought and made money. Good for you to buy the dip. I bought some Tesla and some Meta in late '22. The Tesla is (still) way up, and the Meta is up like 400%.

It's funny that we don't hear from the people who bought at $400, now looking at big losses. Kind of like you never hear stories from people losing in Vegas. You only hear from the few who won a little.

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Butt Actually's avatar

How come Activism Uncensored won’t come to any of my anti Lee Iococca protests?

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DaveL's avatar

Down with the 64 Mustang!

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Because they don’t know he spearheaded the Restore the Statue of Liberty project……

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Because they all drive fucking minivans, invented by Iacocca. It would be too much of a self-own.

On the other hand, a shitload of the Tesla protesters drive Teslas too.

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bestuvall's avatar

they “protest “ in La Jolla. where the mean income is 205K per person annually.. all little skinny white ladies or men with man buns.. I imagine they parked their teslas around the corner

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

This is an important cause. Just like it was important at the million whatever whatever, at BLM marches, at abortion rights protests, gay pride parades, name a lefty cause, they will be there. And they pay their own way.

And they needed a new cause. That’s so funny about parking their Teslas around the corner. Because we KNOW they drive them (because also the climate change protests, I forgot that one).

This is what’s so damn funny about this. Teslas you keyed? Owners also voted for Harris. Idiot. And the cars also caught you on candid camera, moron. And they’re protesting against the company that has done more than any other to help slow climate change. ???

But when some 68, 73, and 78-year-old sisters need a cause, any cause will do. Dumb fucks.

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bestuvall's avatar

thanks for the reply. gave me a chance to go back to edit my typing

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Steve Smith's avatar

Lefties protesting the company that does the most on the planet to mitigate global warming is a sign the global warming hoax is over. Not even progressives believe it anymore.

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Michael Karg's avatar

The past two years SoCal has had the fewest 80 degree days in history.

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C.C. 95's avatar

Yes- but they changed it from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" for a reason: the change in weather in EITHER direction call be called out.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

The term has transmogrified into "climate disruption".

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Shaun's avatar

"Climate Dispersal Phenomenon"

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DaveL's avatar

Electric cars don’t mitigate global warming. What else did Musk do?

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Steve Smith's avatar

Really? Does that mean all your global warming virtue signalling is fake?

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DaveL's avatar

Something like that.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Depends on how "mitigate" is used, Mr. Dictionary. Electric cars certainly don't fix climate change anymore than carbon offsets, but they certainly do less to make it worse.

Steve's point is valid, if for no other reason than before Musk became Public Enemy #1, Tesla was touted all the time for its positive impact on climate change.

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Marsali S.'s avatar

Most of these protestors are senior citizens. How embarrassing to see your mom, dad, grandma or grandpa yelling f-bombs at people in the street. They look like fools.

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Barbara Bergin's avatar

I live in a mostly conservative, retirement neighborhood in Georgetown, Texas. During the election I was called more names which began with the f-word, than I can list…all out of the mouths of Grannies and Grandads!

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Indecisive decider's avatar

did any of their dentures fall out during their tantrums? because that would be hilarious. Also, bringing some extra polident for them would be really nice.

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steven t koenig's avatar

You must be especially annoying

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P.S.'s avatar

LMAO

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Wow lol

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David Cashion's avatar

How are the electric bills

doing ?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

They are re-living the 60s. there's an old saying, the French continue re-living 1789, the USA keeps wanting to relive the 60s.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

That’s what happens when you have too much time on your hands.

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P.S.'s avatar

They looked in Pain to me..They just don't have the knees they used to have.

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

they've been on them for too long begging for attention.

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Liz LaSorte's avatar

So, now can we find out how many anti-Elon protesters pay taxes? Are they on welfare? What is their grift connection for wanting to keep the fraud and waste gravy train continuing, when America is going bankrupt with nearly 37 trillion dollars of debt.

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steven t koenig's avatar

I'm kinda old. I remember 40 years ago declaring us bankrupt with $3T debt. I was wrong. We went from 3 to 37 and no one batted an eye. So....why can't we go from 37 to 137 as well? 337? If they're just making up money make a lot more and quit taxing me

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Sea Sentry's avatar

With insights like that, I'm surprised the Biden Administration didn't scoop you up to run the Treasury! :)

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DaveL's avatar

Modern Monetary Theory, it appears.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

LMAO

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Shaun's avatar

Can we all just get our own money machines?

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P.S.'s avatar

They all appeared to be on Social Security.

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GRP's avatar

I love that when someone says "you're a F***ing traitor I can't tell who's side they are on.

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steven t koenig's avatar

It makes more sense when they scream "Fucking Trader"

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Don't both sides do it? Musk called Mark Kelly a traitor for visiting Ukraine. There are traitors surrounding us on all sides. Also fascists, surrounding us on all sides. Also Nazis are surrounding us on all sides.

Both of these stupid fucking tribes display their idiocy daily.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Great point LOL

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Richard Clarke's avatar

What are these dunderheads getting paid? $10/hr?

From the fact that the signs are not professionally printed it doesn't look like it's my tax dollars funding them anymore

No wonder they are pissed.

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David Cashion's avatar

40 per hour, plus travel, accommodations, bail, legal aid and press coverage.

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Sea Sentry's avatar

Do you have any tangible data around this? I don't doubt it for a minute, but it would be nice for this to get more coverage than it does.

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David Cashion's avatar

It gets covered.

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DaveL's avatar

In other words, “I made it up.”

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David Cashion's avatar

Look into that juggernaut of honesty BBC.

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steven t koenig's avatar

Do they get to have sex on the bus too?

Asking for a friend.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

I will go peek in the bus window and get back to you….

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P.S.'s avatar

Ewww Old people sex..

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steven t koenig's avatar

There's a real friend!

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David Cashion's avatar

They make little butthole babies on the way there.

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steven t koenig's avatar

So now there's no sex at the Walmart?

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P.S.'s avatar

Thank Goodness..

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David Cashion's avatar

The ones peacefully protesting are running cover for the bomb throwers.

Just like the peaceful BLM protesters.

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

MUSK DERANGEMENT SYNDROME is merely TDS turned on a candidate who does not have a 50% approval rating. He also made the fatal mistake (thankfully) of exposing Government censorship. Happy April Fool's Day! Sometimes it always feels like it is, lol! 🤡👻🤣

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Billy Manas's avatar

I do like the part about tolerance. If the crazy doesn’t stop with us where is it going to stop?

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Ministryofbullshit's avatar

Matt, I thought the Nina Jacowitz thing was an April Fools joke. Why does this freaking woman have so much power?

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

Entitlement

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Charles weaver's avatar

What exactly are these protesters protesting??

We want fraud, we want waste

We want inefficient govt. Send our taxes to thief’s!

More like we want the paycheck and we will therefore protest anything.

Absolutely moronic.

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Madjack's avatar

“Fuck you” seems to be the level of discourse. Sad. Who is in favor of waste fraud and abuse???

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Cosmo T Kat's avatar

those that thrive on it.

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Shaun's avatar

"Who is in favor of waste fraud and abuse???"

ME! I AM! ME! That's who!

JK- April Fool's...

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Savi_heretic33's avatar

My pastor, who's a Democrat, nervously announced he drives a Tesla but he just bought it because "it's a good car." Democrats are attacking Democrats because they don't like a Republican. Party of nonsense.

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