That's not a clever observation. It's their ideology, straightforwardly stated.
Principles - rules that apply the same to everyone - are just one ideological option. These people do not have principles; they have tribes. They view the idea of having the same rules for everyone like the idea of passing the ball to your opponents as readily as your teammates.
Every time someone calls them a hypocrite, they react as if you've told them to score a goal for the other team. It sounds crazy to them.
I imagine if it happened it would be celebrated by all the people bitching about it now. Nobody actually opposes calls to violence, they only clutch their pearls when “their” side is the target.
The “both sides” argument has no teeth anymore. The”right” always comes out in unison to admonish wrong doers and the violence is only coming from one side.
Provide some examples of conservative groups organizing simultaneous marches and mayhem in 50 or 60 urban areas. Name the conservative billionaires funding groups like SPL, antifa, BLM, SPLC, CAIR, Code Pink, etc. Name comparable right wing groups in the news or streets as often as the aforementioned list. Name a school shooter who wasn’t a leftist, mentally ill, or tranny. Name a presidential assassin or wannabe who wasn’t a leftist. Provide any data that refutes any of the above or provides details proving balance of instigators.
Conservatives stormed the halls of Congress to terrorize the seat of the nation, overthrow the power of its elected government (read: insurrection) and vast swathes of them fully support an attempt to overturn the outcome of an election through violence. (But not in 2016 when ‘their guy’ won, though)
In addition, vast swathes of them support full pardons for all of these insurrectionists.
In addition, the GOP is the only political party in the country who have Congressional representatives (not campus activists, but *elected representatives with actual power*) fully supportive of said insurrection.
One incident, not an insurrection, sponsored by the Dems in Congress and the federal government versus international groups with $2B backing their activities over the past decade or longer, 2 years of coordinated rioting in 60 US cities, $2B in damage and 50+ people killed, no arrests or prosecutions. Cheered on, supported and funded by the Dems in Congress and other offices. J6, hundreds arrested and jailed. One day, 1 protester death. And that was by the hand of a corrupt capital cop whose identity was hidden by Pelosi for 6 months until he was allowed to retire. No accountability, no justice.
I live in Wisconsin and have been to this establishment before Kirk took it over. It used to be the best restaurant in Minocquoa (pronounced Min-naw-qua btw). Kirk and his supporters are a shameful embarrassment to our great state which is known for our kindness. Nothing Trump or anyone else is doing makes them deserving of their death.
I read Kirk Bangstad had problems with the law before Trump was ever an issue. Same for Wisconsin’s other flaming nut Bill Penzey of Penzey Spices. Sad.
War criminals were literally put to death for their crimes against humanity in WW2 and Trump is certainly a war criminal who committed crimes against humanity. As well as Obama. As well as most presidents.
The only reason they don’t get executed is they never face a trial.
Sadly our state is turning more liberal blue everyday. I call them the Blue State Refugees that are moving here from all over the country. Kirk is a FIB, just FYI. The welcome mat that says 'Be Kind' is starting to wear thin. Wish you well Elizabeth.
Interesting idea. The stupid or a liar axiom, basically. Say you’re right. What’s the goal? Employment and riches by selling clicks while it happens? I guess they simply don’t know they’re first to go.
The rank-and-file "Resistance" just assume that the source of all their problems is Trump (and his supporters), and once those are eliminated it will all be rainbows and unicorns. I suppose it is an attractive thought, they want to believe it, so they do. Kind of like what Hitler told Germans after they lost World War 1; their only problem was Jews and Communists and if those were eliminated it would all be great. Much easier and more emotionally satisfying than trying to understand what is actually going on.
I try not to impute motives to people I haven't met, but if I just take them at their word, that conclusion is pretty inescapable.
The Germans were basically in a Civil War after WWI with Communists and "Bolshevik Jews" wanting to turn Germany into Marx's communism paradise (he didn't see any chance for his utopia working in rural Russia. Their Reds, the Worker parties, were opposed by the fascist unemployed veterans returned from the war, with thugs on both sides. It was extremely violent especially in cities like Berlin.
The oligarchs of Germany were the bankers, industrialists and upper military and approved of neither the Reds nor Hitler's Brownshirts. Finally the NAZIs were broke and apparently had lost, when one after another industrialists came to Hitler's aid (had to keep labor costs down and protect their capitalist interests). Fritz Thyssen and a number of other industrialists saved Hitler with the concession that Hitler rein in his violent Brownshirts. Hitler complied, disbanding the Brownshirts and killing their leader Ernst Rohm, whom he denounced as a corrupt homosexual (supposedly the first known gay politician in modern Europe). While he lost many of his most rabid followers by disbanding the Brownshirts, he gained palatability among the oligarchs, the average Germans, and was named Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1938.
Once the Establishment picked sides the Civil War was over.
Here’s the uncomfortable question nobody wants to answer honestly: when does activism stop being protest and start becoming intimidation, disruption, or political theater? Every side suddenly changes its definition depending on whether they agree with the cause. That inconsistency is a huge reason public trust keeps collapsing.
SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that Hate Speech is Free Speech. The government is not constitutionally allowed to interfere with free speech except in extreme cases (such as standing in front of a home and inciting people to burn it down-- if one said the same words far away from the site or in a general angry non-specific way, it is protected speech (although he might lose his job or be kicked off social media).
There is an exception for threatening the President ("National Security"). But it has to be a CREDIBLE threat. Many noted that Craig Robertson, a 75 year old homebound keyboard warrior, who collected guns and talked big on-line making oblique threats toward Biden was not a credible threat (his neighbors said he rarely left his home except to go to church). He died in a hail of bullets when the FBI drove an armored Humvee through the wall into his house. Smacked of Waco and Ruby Ridge over-reaction (much like the SWAT raids on Trump and his supporters). One would expect a more consistent constitution-based application of Law.
There are a lot of people who hold these views now. Mostly young, shit-for-brains college kids and Prozac-addled seniors. But people should ask them if this is really where we want to go as a nation. Do we want elections by assassination? Do we want to trash what ee have for mob rule? The Right wants to preserve, conserve, what we have, and bring it back to original intent where it's been worn away by the democrat/communists. But the Right, if pushed too hard for too long will fight.
The result could be civil war. Everyone would lose, but I believe the Left would get the worst of it, if the Army sat on the sidelines.
Anyway, that bar owner, the jolly fool calling for the death of the President... he should be glad people on the other side are not calling for his assassination.
Whether you agree with these protesters or not, documenting movements without the usual media filter matters. Too much modern coverage feels like activism disguised as journalism instead of journalism documenting activism. People are starving for footage and reporting that lets them decide for themselves what’s real.
Activism uncensored. Really? Activism from the left 24/7/365. Since ten years ago.
So beer Wisconsin gets protested for offering free beer for presidential death? Alert the media.
In the meantime, the NYT and PBS favorite Nicky Kristoff “reports” that Israel deploys rape dogs? Was that really in The Grey Lady, or The Drag Printcess, or whatever we are supposed to refer to it by its accepted pronouns now. Now THAT is serious s***. Emphasis on (made-up) s***.
yes, it's activism by reporters who should have been trained better .... for me, the worst of the lot is the New York Times which has become a soul center of true believers a la Eric Hoffer. There's probably more, but they don't come to mind at the moment.
I am 43 so I became an adult right at that merge between the internet and the old newspaper… but i talked to a couple reporters when I was in grad school and I remember one referring to himself as an ink stained wretch… it was considered something close to treason to write things that fuel debate with intention rather than nuance and context…. a newsroom… from what I understand used to be a wonderful place where people threw around ideas of all types and challenged each other…
And now, they justify this writing, directed by the head editor with clever sounding prompts to direct writing (such as, ‘explore the Dickensian aspect’ and other nonsense…. in order to permit covering stories and issues in the way that slowly evolved from fact into a murky gray area like an essayist and I remember the newspaper reporter warning that this would be the inevitable spot we land…. writing for clicks and ratings more like radio DJ than a journalist…
I feel it took this free country with common sense… and the addition of the access to unprecedented amounts of information… into and under red, reality TV bubblegum nation that doesn't know how to sift through the information responsibly, and as a result develops beliefs rooted in almost nothing except campaign slogans and bumper stickers
It’s like Kristof scanned his ‘Blood-Libel Check List’ and said, “Ah, bestiality, haven’t used that one in ages. The Jew hate demographic will love it.
Minoqua is in Wisconsin's hunting and fishing paradise near Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Depends on tourism. I imagine. Otherwise it's a town of 5,000 in the middle of nowhere. Lakes all around.
I can't imagine the tavern keeper's opinion aligns with very many who live or travel through the area. Check in a year from now to see if his bar is still open.
He's running for governor. Hard to picture it as a serious candacy but he has probably figured out that he can raise funds from crazies all across the nation. This was surely an effort to engage that small dollar fundraising. Lotsa money from people who cannot vote for him. Based on the Instagram comments, many cannot spell or form a complete sentence either.
What can one say? We've always known some people are more susceptible to propaganda than others; and there's no denying the information commons is saturated with propaganda. Some shrug it off as an annoyance they've learned to live with, like ads cluttering up YouTube videos. Others are easily manipulated by even its crudest, least plausible forms.
How about getting back to writing about real issues rather than these click bait distractions that just feed the nothing burger monster that the deep staters are just so happy to have you oblige them with?
Years ago this would have just been some National Inquirer sensational out-there story to pay a nickel for off the magazine rack to joke about.
Now it's become the serious reality of a country full of people who spend their lives arguing with each other on screens about nothing of real importance, and then take their loud fluff out into the streets as if they're Thomas Paine or Nelson Mandela.
Screen porn for the juvenile mind is the new norm that has dug its heels in so deep at this point that I wonder if there's any escape possible.
It's beyond ridiculous anymore.
But so it goes.
Thank God that I still have a pretty good collection of books and music and that there's still writers and thinkers out there who write and speak about things of moral and spiritual and therefore political and personal consequence.
And that I still have peaceful trails in the woods to walk along with my dogs.
None of which has anything to do with this stupid story.
Which makes me happy.
Have a nice day in your bubble world of frivolous blubbery.
Imagine the same announcement regarding Obama or any Democrat. The Marxist media and all the mouth breathers would lose their minds for months.
As with everything, it's different when they do it.
That's not a clever observation. It's their ideology, straightforwardly stated.
Principles - rules that apply the same to everyone - are just one ideological option. These people do not have principles; they have tribes. They view the idea of having the same rules for everyone like the idea of passing the ball to your opponents as readily as your teammates.
Every time someone calls them a hypocrite, they react as if you've told them to score a goal for the other team. It sounds crazy to them.
https://principlesvstribes.substack.com/about
Hey, go easy on the mouth breathers. There are bad allergies out there.
I imagine if it happened it would be celebrated by all the people bitching about it now. Nobody actually opposes calls to violence, they only clutch their pearls when “their” side is the target.
The “both sides” argument has no teeth anymore. The”right” always comes out in unison to admonish wrong doers and the violence is only coming from one side.
This isn’t even remotely true but enjoy believing whatever
Provide some examples of conservative groups organizing simultaneous marches and mayhem in 50 or 60 urban areas. Name the conservative billionaires funding groups like SPL, antifa, BLM, SPLC, CAIR, Code Pink, etc. Name comparable right wing groups in the news or streets as often as the aforementioned list. Name a school shooter who wasn’t a leftist, mentally ill, or tranny. Name a presidential assassin or wannabe who wasn’t a leftist. Provide any data that refutes any of the above or provides details proving balance of instigators.
We’ll wait.
Conservatives stormed the halls of Congress to terrorize the seat of the nation, overthrow the power of its elected government (read: insurrection) and vast swathes of them fully support an attempt to overturn the outcome of an election through violence. (But not in 2016 when ‘their guy’ won, though)
In addition, vast swathes of them support full pardons for all of these insurrectionists.
In addition, the GOP is the only political party in the country who have Congressional representatives (not campus activists, but *elected representatives with actual power*) fully supportive of said insurrection.
Both sides, dear colleague.
One incident, not an insurrection, sponsored by the Dems in Congress and the federal government versus international groups with $2B backing their activities over the past decade or longer, 2 years of coordinated rioting in 60 US cities, $2B in damage and 50+ people killed, no arrests or prosecutions. Cheered on, supported and funded by the Dems in Congress and other offices. J6, hundreds arrested and jailed. One day, 1 protester death. And that was by the hand of a corrupt capital cop whose identity was hidden by Pelosi for 6 months until he was allowed to retire. No accountability, no justice.
Both sides? Go fuck yourself, clown.
It’s very true.
“Nobody actually opposes calls to violence”. Hey buddy maybe you’ve been trolling around too long on left wing social media! Get serious!
Nobody, Andrew Dolgin, really? Is this what you tell yourself? Sad.
I’m saying both sides are hypocritical in this issue. Not literally nobody.
You, sir, are dense…
It becomes more difficult each day to determine which stories originate at the Babylon Bee and which stories are real news.
I live in Wisconsin and have been to this establishment before Kirk took it over. It used to be the best restaurant in Minocquoa (pronounced Min-naw-qua btw). Kirk and his supporters are a shameful embarrassment to our great state which is known for our kindness. Nothing Trump or anyone else is doing makes them deserving of their death.
I read Kirk Bangstad had problems with the law before Trump was ever an issue. Same for Wisconsin’s other flaming nut Bill Penzey of Penzey Spices. Sad.
Penzey is a lunatic. I was a great customer but refuse to keep that place in business with his constant vitriol on every page of his ads.
War criminals were literally put to death for their crimes against humanity in WW2 and Trump is certainly a war criminal who committed crimes against humanity. As well as Obama. As well as most presidents.
The only reason they don’t get executed is they never face a trial.
Sadly our state is turning more liberal blue everyday. I call them the Blue State Refugees that are moving here from all over the country. Kirk is a FIB, just FYI. The welcome mat that says 'Be Kind' is starting to wear thin. Wish you well Elizabeth.
I thought you were talking about Charlie Kirk for a second 😂
So there’s a business model supporting brown shirts?
Yep, hallmarks of the early Nazi movement in Germany; Propaganda, assination, and riotious violence.
Funny how our media doesn’t notice, doesn’t care, or supports it. I’m no expert, but I think cowardice is behind that.
I mean, what if I offered free pretzels to anyone that offed the tavern owner?
I'd like to see his reaction when he found out.
Maybe some are cowards by pretending it doesn't exist, but many if not most simply agree but are cowards for not saying it out loud.
So, some cowardice but not in the direction you might think.
Interesting idea. The stupid or a liar axiom, basically. Say you’re right. What’s the goal? Employment and riches by selling clicks while it happens? I guess they simply don’t know they’re first to go.
The rank-and-file "Resistance" just assume that the source of all their problems is Trump (and his supporters), and once those are eliminated it will all be rainbows and unicorns. I suppose it is an attractive thought, they want to believe it, so they do. Kind of like what Hitler told Germans after they lost World War 1; their only problem was Jews and Communists and if those were eliminated it would all be great. Much easier and more emotionally satisfying than trying to understand what is actually going on.
I try not to impute motives to people I haven't met, but if I just take them at their word, that conclusion is pretty inescapable.
What they miss is that in a couple of years Trump will be gone, but those who voted for him won't be.
The Germans were basically in a Civil War after WWI with Communists and "Bolshevik Jews" wanting to turn Germany into Marx's communism paradise (he didn't see any chance for his utopia working in rural Russia. Their Reds, the Worker parties, were opposed by the fascist unemployed veterans returned from the war, with thugs on both sides. It was extremely violent especially in cities like Berlin.
The oligarchs of Germany were the bankers, industrialists and upper military and approved of neither the Reds nor Hitler's Brownshirts. Finally the NAZIs were broke and apparently had lost, when one after another industrialists came to Hitler's aid (had to keep labor costs down and protect their capitalist interests). Fritz Thyssen and a number of other industrialists saved Hitler with the concession that Hitler rein in his violent Brownshirts. Hitler complied, disbanding the Brownshirts and killing their leader Ernst Rohm, whom he denounced as a corrupt homosexual (supposedly the first known gay politician in modern Europe). While he lost many of his most rabid followers by disbanding the Brownshirts, he gained palatability among the oligarchs, the average Germans, and was named Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1938.
Once the Establishment picked sides the Civil War was over.
How is this not incitement to commit murder?
Offering "free" anything to entitled Leftards is always a reliable business model. Assassinating a U.S. President is simply icing on the (free) cake.
What a mess our nation is in.
What legally will happen to Kirk Bangstad, owner of Minocqua Brewing Company? I hope his bar ceases to exist, legally, by people becoming non-patrons.
Disbar the Bar!
disgusting.
Here’s the uncomfortable question nobody wants to answer honestly: when does activism stop being protest and start becoming intimidation, disruption, or political theater? Every side suddenly changes its definition depending on whether they agree with the cause. That inconsistency is a huge reason public trust keeps collapsing.
SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that Hate Speech is Free Speech. The government is not constitutionally allowed to interfere with free speech except in extreme cases (such as standing in front of a home and inciting people to burn it down-- if one said the same words far away from the site or in a general angry non-specific way, it is protected speech (although he might lose his job or be kicked off social media).
There is an exception for threatening the President ("National Security"). But it has to be a CREDIBLE threat. Many noted that Craig Robertson, a 75 year old homebound keyboard warrior, who collected guns and talked big on-line making oblique threats toward Biden was not a credible threat (his neighbors said he rarely left his home except to go to church). He died in a hail of bullets when the FBI drove an armored Humvee through the wall into his house. Smacked of Waco and Ruby Ridge over-reaction (much like the SWAT raids on Trump and his supporters). One would expect a more consistent constitution-based application of Law.
There are a lot of people who hold these views now. Mostly young, shit-for-brains college kids and Prozac-addled seniors. But people should ask them if this is really where we want to go as a nation. Do we want elections by assassination? Do we want to trash what ee have for mob rule? The Right wants to preserve, conserve, what we have, and bring it back to original intent where it's been worn away by the democrat/communists. But the Right, if pushed too hard for too long will fight.
The result could be civil war. Everyone would lose, but I believe the Left would get the worst of it, if the Army sat on the sidelines.
Anyway, that bar owner, the jolly fool calling for the death of the President... he should be glad people on the other side are not calling for his assassination.
It’s mostly older boomers.
Whether you agree with these protesters or not, documenting movements without the usual media filter matters. Too much modern coverage feels like activism disguised as journalism instead of journalism documenting activism. People are starving for footage and reporting that lets them decide for themselves what’s real.
Unless you only report the protests of one side of the political spectrum.
Did you hear about the Muslims rampage on the NYC LEOs?
Evidentially that’s not fit coverage for “Activism Uncensored”.
Activism uncensored. Really? Activism from the left 24/7/365. Since ten years ago.
So beer Wisconsin gets protested for offering free beer for presidential death? Alert the media.
In the meantime, the NYT and PBS favorite Nicky Kristoff “reports” that Israel deploys rape dogs? Was that really in The Grey Lady, or The Drag Printcess, or whatever we are supposed to refer to it by its accepted pronouns now. Now THAT is serious s***. Emphasis on (made-up) s***.
Good question.
yes, it's activism by reporters who should have been trained better .... for me, the worst of the lot is the New York Times which has become a soul center of true believers a la Eric Hoffer. There's probably more, but they don't come to mind at the moment.
I am 43 so I became an adult right at that merge between the internet and the old newspaper… but i talked to a couple reporters when I was in grad school and I remember one referring to himself as an ink stained wretch… it was considered something close to treason to write things that fuel debate with intention rather than nuance and context…. a newsroom… from what I understand used to be a wonderful place where people threw around ideas of all types and challenged each other…
And now, they justify this writing, directed by the head editor with clever sounding prompts to direct writing (such as, ‘explore the Dickensian aspect’ and other nonsense…. in order to permit covering stories and issues in the way that slowly evolved from fact into a murky gray area like an essayist and I remember the newspaper reporter warning that this would be the inevitable spot we land…. writing for clicks and ratings more like radio DJ than a journalist…
I feel it took this free country with common sense… and the addition of the access to unprecedented amounts of information… into and under red, reality TV bubblegum nation that doesn't know how to sift through the information responsibly, and as a result develops beliefs rooted in almost nothing except campaign slogans and bumper stickers
It’s like Kristof scanned his ‘Blood-Libel Check List’ and said, “Ah, bestiality, haven’t used that one in ages. The Jew hate demographic will love it.
Minoqua is in Wisconsin's hunting and fishing paradise near Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Depends on tourism. I imagine. Otherwise it's a town of 5,000 in the middle of nowhere. Lakes all around.
I can't imagine the tavern keeper's opinion aligns with very many who live or travel through the area. Check in a year from now to see if his bar is still open.
He's running for governor. Hard to picture it as a serious candacy but he has probably figured out that he can raise funds from crazies all across the nation. This was surely an effort to engage that small dollar fundraising. Lotsa money from people who cannot vote for him. Based on the Instagram comments, many cannot spell or form a complete sentence either.
https://www.wpr.org/news/bangstad-kirk-minocqua-brewing-liberal-activist-wisconsin-governor
His mouth has gotten him in trouble before,
https://www.wpr.org/justice/minocqua-brewing-company-owner-guilty-defamation-lakeland-times
Where does a small business owner in a small town get $750,000 in order to pay a defamation suit?
Sounds like he's a looney trust fund baby doing is best to squander his money.
It eventually settled for a reported $588k. But your thesis probably is correct.
If you can openly critique the fascist leadership, without going to the gulag, you don't have one.
What can one say? We've always known some people are more susceptible to propaganda than others; and there's no denying the information commons is saturated with propaganda. Some shrug it off as an annoyance they've learned to live with, like ads cluttering up YouTube videos. Others are easily manipulated by even its crudest, least plausible forms.
How about getting back to writing about real issues rather than these click bait distractions that just feed the nothing burger monster that the deep staters are just so happy to have you oblige them with?
Years ago this would have just been some National Inquirer sensational out-there story to pay a nickel for off the magazine rack to joke about.
Now it's become the serious reality of a country full of people who spend their lives arguing with each other on screens about nothing of real importance, and then take their loud fluff out into the streets as if they're Thomas Paine or Nelson Mandela.
Screen porn for the juvenile mind is the new norm that has dug its heels in so deep at this point that I wonder if there's any escape possible.
It's beyond ridiculous anymore.
But so it goes.
Thank God that I still have a pretty good collection of books and music and that there's still writers and thinkers out there who write and speak about things of moral and spiritual and therefore political and personal consequence.
And that I still have peaceful trails in the woods to walk along with my dogs.
None of which has anything to do with this stupid story.
Which makes me happy.
Have a nice day in your bubble world of frivolous blubbery.
Doesn't this stuff ever get boring for you all?
Yes, as there seems to be so little resolution on so many levels. Enjoy your retreats from it all!
Have you noticed that these TDS sufferers are attacking Trump for the war with Iran while trying to start a civil war here in the US?
YES, for years! Starting w Tom Hayden & crew & then working in the same realm for a close up -- very angry person! ✌🏻LOL
Ford missed this one, too:
Chicago teen takeover mob rams police cruiser backward, swarms car as onlookers cheer
Odd