No longer calling January 6th a "heinous attack," Trump commemorates "a truly incredible person," saying, "I offer my unwavering support to Ashli’s family."
Thanks for, as always, great journalism. It makes my stomach hurt when I read, "the worst act of political violence since the Civil War," having lived through the Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma City bombing. I didn't experience it but I was alive back then. If they think a riot at the Capitol is the worst violence they've seen, they don't remember the Summer of 2020. I guess they don't remember it because it wasn't shown to them. It was simply put in a blender and spun as "peaceful reckoning." But I think blowing up a Federal Building to protest the government, with children in day care dead, is something we all seem to have forgotten.
Also the attempted assassination of 5 congressmen (bipartisan attack) by Puerto Rican nationalists in 1954. And the attempted assassination of Harry Truman (1 White House police officer killed) by the same group in 1950. Wall Street bombing 1920, 40 killed and hundreds injured. Fraunces Tavern bombing 1975, 4 killed. Weather Underground bombings, and on and on.
There are countless acts of political violence in the US that are way worse than January 6.
I am frustrated because I had to take a phone call a few minutes ago - I wanted to post this first.
That said, how does even an organization as reprehensible as CNN allow something so easily refuted to be broadcast? While it may be just purely a case of not caring about the truth but my gut tells me that they are literally so ill informed and clueless that they literally don't know how wrong they are.
They would have to be morons with an IQ of 40 to not know in their own warped mind that they are peddling blatant propaganda designed to further delude the retarded sheep in this country.
CNN, like any of the other networks of any party affiliation or political bent are profit oriented. No different than the old (and current) tabloid style papers like the NY Post and National Enquirer. They will be as sensational as they believe their target audience to whom their advertisers are catering will let them be and they'll continually push boundaries in order to carve out greater viewership/clicks just like any typical social media "influencer" or YouTube/TikTok "celebrity."
TL/DR: It's all about the Benjamins and not at all about the truth even if they happen to accidentally tell the truth occasionally.
Too many Indian massacres to count as well, and they *were* political. The internment of the Japanese, the Tulsa race massacre; there is a political element to all of them. Killing of multiple Presidents, shooting of a Congresswoman, attempted shooting of Republican members of Congress.
January 6th was pretty bad, but really not comparable to any of those things or of course 9/11, the causes and perpetrators of which the public is still not fully apprised.
Honestly just not that bad. Lives lost we’re only among the demonstrators. Minimal property damage. No one was armed. Can you imagine a large group of Trump supporters who really wanted to create destruction? Most of us own weapons. This country’s institutions must be razed. The FBI/CIA etc are corrupt beyond redemption. We cannot have two tiers of justice. We cannot persecute parents concerned about their schools. Historically you can only push people so far.
THERE WAS ZERO VIOLENCE AT THE CAPITOL EXCEPT THE SHOOTING OF THIS WOMAN. I don’t agree with what she did and I think a cop would’ve been justified bopping her on the head as she squeezed through the opening. But no one even brought a weapon into the Capitol. This was a police murder.
There was some violence but not much of it. Of course those are the images repeated in the dishonest media. Mostly it was just civil disobedience. Much much less disobedient that what the media celebrates for the left. And none of those protestors that entered the building that they the people own had weapons.
The media chattering class hypocrisy over this compared to the previous 2 years of BLM and Antifa violent rioting is frankly breathtaking.
Oh, there was definitely violence. Let's not deny reality.
The issue here is the dishonest and divergent coverage of this event vs all of the other similar acts of mob violence that happened all across the country, which is downright infuriating. The most infuriating aspect of the whole thing is that several members of congress didn't give a damn about the thousands of people that were in the same position during the George Floyd riots that they were in that day, but this doesn't stop them from waxing poetic about how "traumatic" it was for them. Apparently they are under the delusion that Americans should care more about how they feel than our fellow citizens, which is ass backwards. Spare me. This is compounded by the fact that most of the very same people are a bunch of war hawks that have zero issue with creating chaos in 3rd world countries at 1000X the level of magnitude of J6. Our military just ordered a drone strike that killed 7 innocent Afghan children, and the apology from the ones that actually deigned to acknowledge it was largely limited to a "whoopsie!"
Sorry but which legislators in which states/municipalities were actually targeted and attacked during the George Floyd protests? I don't recall any threats against legislatures or governors either except coming from the right (but many likely engineered by the FBI as they've been doing for decades with leftist, black, Muslim, etc. groups that they frame up for alleged attempted terrorism). So I'm genuinely curious as to who was in the same position as the members of Congress were on Jan 6 during 2020.
If I may, I believe the point Kaylea was making was that our leaders didn’t care about those constituents affected by the riots during 2020, but got all dramatic about the j6 kerfuffle. And no, AOC, you weren’t there.
Over 140 police injured according to police unions... One officer killed during the attack. Last time I checked, police unions weren't "left"leaning organizations. If you want to feel bad for Ashli Babbitt go ahead, but she pushed the envelope on that day and lost.
John, you should be on Ashli Babbitt's side. How is trespassing any worse than passing a counterfeit $20 bill (George Floyd's crime)? Neither one deserved to die for what they did. And please for the millionth time officer Brian Siknik died of an aneurysm after the riot was over, not from any violence and not during the riot.
I should be on her side? We are all going to be on her side one day, 6 ft in the f****** ground. I swear belief in Politics should be classified along with Religion as a type of mental illness.
Rlly??? Trespassing is as bad as passing (perhaps unknowingly?) a counterfeit $20 bill?
Now do I think deadly violence was needed in either case? Definitely not, but the two incidents were hardly even comparable other than that two people died.
Liar. Flat-out liar. Not one single officer was killed that day. Not one. People had heart attacks and god knows what other medical calamity. No one was killed except Ashli Babbit.
Did you notice how he used passive voice: “one officer killed in the attack….” Passive voice is the telltale of a weak argument. But he had to use passive voice because he knew it would be a manifest prevarication to write something like, “the rioters killed one officer….”
Please point out which one of the deaths at the Capitol on 1/6/2021 is the "officer" you mention. Benjamin Phillips, 50, from Greentown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, from Athens, Alabama; and Roseanne Boyland, 34 of Kennesaw, Georgia.
LOL. You apparently don't understand that violence can be committed by multiple parties and individuals either acting in concert with a specified goal or simply taking advantage of a situation. The correct way to phrase it with the BLM/Floyd protests is that the *VAST* majority *STARTED OFF* peacefully and that the MAJORITY stayed that way, but the ones that didn't were characterized by all sorts of different violence. Looting by opportunists, genuine attempted property damage by left, right and anarchists, shootings of police, of protestors, of innocent bystanders and violence committed BY police in response to the INITIALLY peaceful demonstrations. In fact, I'd argue the latter - based on my own anecdotal experience and what I've heard from others - is what sparked the VAST majority of the violence that year. In cases where police allowed demonstrators a certain degree of hands-off treatment, most of those demonstrations never saw any violence. In other cases where the police took a heavy hand against protestors early in the demonstrations, that's where you saw things devolve into chaos and violence. Of course there are always exceptions and opportunists which are in the minority in any social movement protests, and there are also always police, ATF, and FBI infiltrators which are also a minority.
I really don't understand how anyone could just wave their hand and say, literally, 100% of the George Floyd protests were 'violent' as though 1) they actually were (they weren't) and 2) "violence" is just one big bucket into which all sorts of actions and actors can be lumped to make a political point - which is what you're doing.
Oh they know. Anyone that lives in a major city experienced it and was shaken, and this is the majority of liberals.
They just ignore it, minimize it, lie about it for the "greater good". They euphemistically call this "asset framing"....no kidding. Like why talk about the riots, fires and violence when 98% of demonstrations were peaceful.
"Oh they know. Anyone that lives in a major city experienced it and was shaken, and this is the majority of liberals."
The majority of big cities including the ones where there was protesting/rioting/looting/targeting of law enforcement (by right and left) are populated primarily by what any reasonable person would call "liberals" including myself, having lived in a city with its own BLM/George Floyd demonstrations (none of which turned violent other than an out-of-towner Trump supporter shooting a protestor who was open carrying). There was no property damage and nobody I know is scarred or shaken from it. I would guess the sentiment is the same in the majority of other cities with a few exceptions including certain areas of Minneapolis, Seattle and New York.
I know the topic is the January 6th incident, but the truth is that *most* if not the majority of the George Floyd protests were non-violent and that the property damage and looting were primarily motivated by poverty, the pandemic (lockdowns, loss of jobs, loneliness) and the overly harsh response of police to the initially completely non-violent gatherings.
"The storming at the capitol was Lexington and Concord. It was Bunker Hill, It was the shot heard round the world. It was the blood that nourishes the Tree of Liberty. The right to vote freely in a Republic is worthy of all of this angst, all of the rage, and all of the tears."
History will record that those who confronted our politicians on that day were completely justified. And if I had been there I would have happily joined in the storming of the castle.
Remember that the second impeachment effort was because President Trump supposedly called for violence.
Great points. What is forgotten is this was all about a manifestly corrupt election. We are losing our God given rights. We may have to fight harder to get them back
History will do none of those things. They committed an insurrection in order to try to stop a completely legitimate and normal handing off the Presidency from Trump to Biden. The election was completely valid, with Trump losing 67 of 68 court cases around it. And had you been there you hopefully would not have been stupid enough to do any such thing. But you keep on keeping on with your delusion.
Anyone who knows me well, including my husband and kids, know that if I had been at the Capitol on January 6th I would have joined in.
I would have organized a group to sing patriotic hymns outside the Senate chamber to remind the politicians to not certify an election that was certified by States that made last minute rule changes, in violation of the United States Constitution.
You should get out a bit Bob and talk to those who witnessed fraud in real time. I have been listening to their testimonies for months and the fact is that President Trump absolutely won the election...easily.
Why don't any of you remember the cop screaming in the door way? Also chanting hang mike pence? Trumps audit done in AZ found more votes for Biden. The drama king loves his reality show, except there's no paid apprenti reship at the end just his contestants paying him for a bit part in this American tradegy.
I saw the young officer get squished. Like I said, ALL of the angst over the election fraud is worthy of all of this seemingly pointless rising up in righteous indignation and rage.
A huge group of mostly men yelled out with their actions that they were not going to sit quietly while the ruling class stole another election.
Check your assumptions on the Arizona forensic audit proving Biden won. That was how the media cynically interpreted the results.
And yet, we're supposed to believe that the "electoral dysfunction" was *ALL* in favor of Biden and not only that, but that it was all coordinated as a conspiracy. Sorry, that's a bridge way too far.
A few things bear noting here. During the past 100 years or more, there has been election "tampering" in the form of gerrymandering, voter suppression, overzealous voter ID laws, intimidation, under-staffing or not having enough voting machines, and in the case of Bush v. Gore, a partisan activist SCOTUS decision on party lines to cancel a recount in Florida where Bush's brother had played a key role in stopping it. In the Bush v. Kerry election there was serious malfeasance and conflict of interest at play in Ohio.
Also, Trump's White House commissioned a study on voter fraud well before the election of 2020 and its findings were, let's just say, underwhelming. In fact, numerous instances - if not the majority - of vote fraud cases involved votes in favor of Donald Trump in 2016. In none of the cases were there enough to change the outcome of any election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity
I understand that the entrenched corporate oligarchy and old money aristocracy have long tentacles and control the media narratives - both "left" and right. I also understand that on most issues (not including abortion and social safety net or environment) we are presented with a fake choice between the Red warmongers and the Blue warmongers who both serve the same aforementioned corporate/aristocratic elite and the interests of big, big money and the 0.01%.
But when you do a deep dive on all of Trump's accusations of fraud, in every case I've seen, you turn up nothing. I'm fully willing to believe that the voting machines are hackable and have "back doors" either individually or in the tallying systems, but when the first thing I hear is that Venezuela (a huge demon to the American right and center Democrats) was changing the election in Biden's favor, I couldn't help but think back to when the center Democrats and most mainstream media were trying to tell us that Russia hacked the election in Trump's favor. It's utter bullshit in both cases.
I will NEVER forget sitting and watching in real time as Trump was very comfortably ahead, cruising to an easy victory, when counting in five states simultaneously stopped. Right then I knew it was rigged and over. No one has been able to adequately explain that to me.
Right, because Trump encouraged all his supporters to vote in person not by mail, so the mail in votes skewed towards Democrats. That's why it happened this way. Trump lost. Biden won. Might want to get over it and stop being completely delusional.
Over a MILLION in Pennsylvania. It is all going to bust out past the gatekeepers... I think Mastriano would be a wonderful Secretary of State. His leadership and courage has been amazing to witness.
I know, it makes me also feel sad for our society. The fact that people not only compare January 6th to OKC bombing and 9/11, but they equate or act like January 6th is worse; and it's socially acceptable to say this.
In reality, January 6th was a trespassing event and riot that caused less damage than many riots over the summer. The only reason the media makes it out to be so horrible is because the trespassers defied Kween Kamala.
* A variety of bombings and other violent acts committed by the left wing terrorist organization known as the Weatherman, also known as Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization, from 1969 through the 1970s. Their acts were overtly political.
Please expand. How was it a color revolution in the same way as the US government and NGOs engineer them in places like Belarus and Ukraine and to some extent Syria and the greater middle east? By what metrics or indicators were the 2020 Floyd protests a state "sanctioned" color revolution and what political changes that were demanded by this "state" actually occurred? I'm genuinely curious. Like what was the goal and what was accomplished at the end of it all?
Should we mention all the lefty roaches that came out of the woodwork for George Floyd? Or the fact that the Democratic leadership knelt for 9 minutes in the rotunda with kente cloths around their necks to support a dangerous criminal, drug addict, drug dealer, car thief - talk about heinous; that was heinous.
I applaud Donald Trump for standing up for Ashli Babbitt. If he would have been president, that cop that shot her would have to pay. But instead we're living in a alternate universe where good is bad and lying is the norm, and the tyrants in the WH and Congress, with the help of the corporate media, are turning the screws on patriotic americans.
The extrajudicial execution of anyone, even if you think he's a "dangerous criminal" is fucking heinous because he wasn't being a "dangerous criminal" when he was executed. Ashli, not so much.
I'm getting really sick of the Trump Trolls on here.
You sound like just the kind of cuck we’ve come to expect when anyone brings up Floyd. The guy shouldn’t have died, but the moron had the better part of half an hour to just get in the fucking cop car! At one point in the video he even says “put me back on the ground!”.
Yep. Watch the whole video. He died of a fentanyl overdose. I work in an inner city ER. See big violent strung out folks like this all the time. Pretty scary.
Neither of these people were acting in a manner that required deadly force. I don't think we should tolerate police brutality and excessive use of force just because the victim is not in our political tribe.
Yup. If it took the riot on the 6th for people to learn that our state murders its people, they'd been actively ignoring the hundreds of extra-judicial killings the cops perpetrate yearly. In other words: they're only capable of empathy if their politics align with the victim. I think you had to be a real dim bulb to be at that Jan 6 riot, but that certainly doesn't mean Babbitt shoulda been shot.
Of course how you arrive at death is relevant. For instance, trespassing isn't cause for death. Resisting arrest and attempting escape, for instance after driving around beyond wasted with COVID, putting innocent people in immediate harms way....well play stupid games win stupid prizes.
That aside, you should try and make a point once without cussing. You'd look more intelligent.
Neither were dangerous criminals. Yes one was committing a crime and was no angel either. The other was knelt on in a more unjustified killing. I'll admit that about both Ashli Babbitt and George Floyd.
Still, the shooting was not a "righteous kill" as the media claims and if it happened to an antifa protestor, there would be hell to pay.
Adolph Reed predicts the backlash to woketard liberals will be a Holocaust. I agree. I don’t think blacks will be the target though. I think a lot of frantic Twitter deletions are coming.
I love Adolph Reed and I need to hear more of his work. I can't say his wrong. Let's pray that if there is a violent backlash to wokeism, it targets the intellectuals and not any children.
The punishment did not fit the crime and this has nothing to do with Trump. Get your TDS checked along with your antibodies dude, dude, you're not healthy.
Not really. Some of us are recovering former Democrats who've seen Burrrrnie, AOC, Ilhan, and The Squad poison politics with their Marxist blathtering.
Do you ever consider the blatant hypocrisy of excusing the extrajudicial killing of George Floyd - an illegal act perpetrated by those sworn to uphold the law - on the basis that Floyd committed criminal acts?
This outrage over the support of Floyd rings hollow when it comes from those who implicitly or explicitly justify, or at least minimize, the most morally repugnant and serious crime in US law.
These appeals to law and order - expressed through the mantra “the law is the law” - seem disingenuous at best, and to be subterfuge for much more sinister ideology rooted in the ignorance and hatred of white supremacy.
Floyd died from fentanyl. I do think they should have started CPR sooner. He was not killed. Ashli was murdered in cold blood while surrounded by police ifficers
Lol get the fuck out of here. “That knee on his neck for 9 minutes had nothing to don with it!! Chaivin was clearly convicted due to nothing but Floyd’s own drug use.” What a tragically delusional take. Keep excusing murder, though.
And yes, I think the murder of AB was wrong. See how easy that is?
You’re literally just making that up. We can all see the video and the pictures, including that one picture y’all like to circulate with the red circle around Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck that you say is proof that it’s on his shoulder. Quit your bullshit.
If Trump had won, the “insurrection” would have come from the Democrat’s side. I doubt anybody would have been shot, though, based on the protests of the summer.
do you realize how many people died as a result of the summer protests? 25 deaths, 604 arrests, an estimated $550 million in property damage to 1,500 locations. now tell me 1/06 was worse? #libtards
It is odd to think that a cop just smoked Babbitt and went on TV bragging about how he had no legal justification to shoot an unarmed veteran with no criminal record.
The same politicians who cheered cities being burned, including many mob beatings and murders, in the name of a multi-deadbeat dad who shoved a pistol in a fetus during a home invasion, then proceeded to drive around on a cocktail of drugs and COVID moments before his death, are silent.
The hypocrisy is appalling and noxious, whatever one's politics are.
Also odd, as more and more information has been delivered to the masses' fingertips, the gaslighting has only gotten more and more shameless and dirty.
Almost like they are testing how far it can go before people hit their limit. We have to be getting close.
There's no limit. Algorithms determine what will keep you enraged, I mean engaged, and continue to serve it up to keep those staring at the small screen in your pocket or the big screen in the living room. Gotta keep the cha-ching rolling! Hunter's laptop - $$. Branch Covidian groupthink - $$$$. Merck marking up therapeutic 40x above cost. $$$$$$$
Yes, this. And the White House press corps laps it up at the "briefings." I guess they're not hearing what we are. Actually, they think we are too stupid to read between the BS.
Also, federal politicians used to pretend they cared about our opinions and would court our votes, even though we all knew it was just for show. They used to have "town halls" where they would go out and talk to their constituents. "Now it's not safe." (Read, not necessary)
The Jan 6th "insurrection" narrative is the most classist and autocratic bs I've heard. I have lost complete faith in every institution that even touches that narrative. There is nothing to it other than naked political gain. It's incredibly depressing to see that at the highest levels, people in the US ignore basic facts in order to maintain their partisanship. When the Chairman of the Joint Cheifs himself participates in this nonsense you know the entire federal government is rotten.
It's easy to 'other' people. Just keep repeating the same lie over and over until it's accepted as an unchallengeable fact. You know, like masks don't prevent the spread of Covid until they did. Or that only conspiracy theorists believed in the lab leak hypothesis. My favorite is the 'othering' of natural immunity being ignored despite the science.
So, I posted this elsewhere on this thread--but some of the protestors at the Capital that day were actually people who's lives and livelihoods had basically been destroyed by lockdowns and other draconian and security state type Covid "precautions." Many, if not most of these, were set in motion by none other than Fauci, who was almost unbelievably put on a pedestal by the Biden administration and who I believe is still person numero uno who calls the shots in the country, still.
If you don't think that is sick--that an incompetent 80 year old blowhard who seems have studied the Soviet Collectivization Playbook somewhere in epidemiology Skool, you are not paying attention. This man needs to be put in front of a tribunal.
Most conservatives/Trump supporters would tell you that they don't approve of the Jan. 6 riot and it would have been best not to have happened
It wasn't really that much different in intent, though, than the Kavanaugh handmaids or Code Pink protests. It was larger and more disruptive but all the vast majority of those participating did was trespass.
The only real violence came from the bastard who shot Ashli. Well, I think there was also an incident were the cops caused a crushing death but I'm not 100% on that.
It was certainly a lot shorter and less scary than the leftist attacks on the White House & the GOP convention the summer before, not to mention the fed courthouse in Portland.
The bizarre overreaction has caused a change in thinking at least for me.
I will now refer to those protestors as the Martyrs of January 6.
The Kavanaugh protests were even encouraged by democrats like AOC, Pelosi etc. Look up Kavanaugh protests storming the senate chambers, capitol etc on DuckDuckGo. Can't believe the blindness of democrats.
Bill I guess if I sprayed you with chemicals, beat you with flag poles, kicked you in the the head a few times, and ransacked your house it would be okay with you. The police in this country can’t win because for all their faults the left and the right should be held responsible single for the words they use to incite the public, but then again politicians are never held responsible while the people at the bottom of the pyramid wage a war of words. Remember with freedom or free dumb comes personal responsibility.
Says the 'responsible' person who just said that if he was a Capitol policeman, he would have shot more people on January 6th. Keeping free to be dumb.
Or fire extinguishers, JRad. Don't forget the fire extinguishers. LOL.
The entire narrative you believe is BS.
Again, if you want to claim some kind of moral high ground you hopefully are on record with condemning the more destructive acts committed by the progressives the summer before or even condemning those who drove Tucker Carlson & his family from their home.
Really, back in January I was in the disapproval mode.
Now, because of the double-standard BS and dishonesty, it is the Martyrs of January 6.
How long do you think they should stay in jail, anyway? As long as a Portland Antfite?
You need to see the recently-released real videos of the incursion. None of the protesters did a single one of the things you list. You also need to do an internet search for the debunking of the myth you are spreading.
I'm not going to help you with the URLs. If you want my help in learning how to construct and use an effective internet query, contact me through my column, One Foot in the Gravy. It's free
The MSM coverage of the AB shooting was a disgusting debacle. Imagine if a white cop shot a black protester. PS - They knew dude's name for months, just wouldn't report it. #TGIF
I didnt see the MSM coverage and I'm sure it was shite, but if ashli was a black dood a lot of the same people bellyaching now would be scoffing that he was trespassing and got what was coming to him, this is how it goes over and over
Doubt it. It's the character and politics which are in play. If Ashli was black but still was right winger he would get the same reaction from democrats as right now. Dems only care about your skin color if you are in their team. That's why they have zero self awareness about the 72% unvaccinated blacks because they only want to use every issue as a way to dunk on the opposing view point. If Dems cares about blacks, then Chicago, Baltimore etc places which have been run fully by dems for over half a century wouldn't have so many problems.
Hopefully your assessment is accurate at large scale, but we all know people who only recognize an obvious thing when it's convenient to their political slant. You've pointed out the same thing from another group of people ('Dems').
Worst act of political violence since the civil war? John Berman should be fired for incurable stupidity for saying this. Kennedy's assassination, Pol Pot, Vietnam war, Afghanistan 'Action', and on and on. Then again, CNN's continued defense and employment of zombified humans like Stelter and Cuomo shows you how far below ground the bar has been buried.
Whatever your politics, Ashli Babbitt was murdered by the state and the state sanctioned it after the fact. This should disturb every citizen no matter there political beliefs. The government will deprive you of life, employment, the ability to put food on the table for your family and pay the heat bill--this is not a democratic republic. We are no longer citizens but subjects of the state.
Many Americans have understood the state is cold-blooded and kills with impunity. Sometimes you need a street vendor to set himself on fire for others to wake up. I find it curious (and disturbing) that the left, who for all appearances opposed state-sanctioned murder/authoritarianism, has now dropped to their knees and looked adoringly to the lords and ladies of American aristocracy for alms and approval.
I wouldn't call that group 'the left' (although I understand why it gets used), spend 10 minutes perusing Grayzone, Abby Martin, or Fred Hampton Leftists content to see where 'the left' is at re: state violence.
If you look at the numbers considering the amount of interactions it is not as disturbing as you imply. That being said even one is one to many. Each incident deserves HONEST investigation and appropriate punishment. Right now if you are white and murdere no biggie. If black the country burns.
I definitely agree on the investigation. But when cops kill a black person, the country burns for more than a single event. It burns over a legacy of events in the last 200 years in America that just doesn't exist (or at least isn't the same) for whitey. I'm not endorsing the burning here, but it's way more nuanced than just looking at numbers of interactions over the last year or two or five.
What I'm implying is that there are people who just won't accept there's a problem until someone in the group of malcontents with whom they identify gets the boot on their neck. Up until the time this happens, victims are just getting what they deserve. And I should be clear my intention was not to accuse WEVA of this by replying to their comment above.
You make an excellent point there has been a long history of race based abuse. Our culture has improved dramatically just in my lifetime (62 years) but I can certainly understand lingering anger at past injustices
lol don't let me distract you from whatever tidy simpleton fantasy you are living then with my clinical needs, feel free to scroll on by rather than ironically surrendering to your need to deal with me
If the 60's were on acid, and the 70's on pot ----> 80's/90's televangelical money making and high-fructose corn syrup, then our current milieu is the fetid internet media blob - distortion, fracture atomization brought to the doorsteps of billions with a whiff of dragon's breath cynicism which makes the corpse of Edward Bernays cringe. The pendulum of changing narratives as a means to confuse and disorient is just one sign of the sickness engulfing this society.
I'd give the 80s to coke, although it's never gone away.
Perhaps a sign of the times, the younger folks really enjoy ketamine these days....and this is often doctors and nurses - not exactly deadbeats. For my part, I keep it all natural.
“But then a technologist emerged who went much further. And his ideas would become central to… power
He was called Vladislav Surkov. Surkov came originally from the theatre world and those who have studied his career say that what he did was take avant-garde ideas from the theatre, and bring them into the heart of politics.
Surkov's aim was not just to manipulate people, but to go deeper and play with, and undermine,
their very perception of the world so, they are never sure what is really happening.
Surkov turned … politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theatre.
He used (gov) money to sponsor all kinds of groups - from mass anti-fascist youth organizations,
to the very opposite - neo-Nazi skinheads. And liberal human rights groups who then attacked the government. Surkov even backed whole political parties that were opposed to the (president).
But the key thing was that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing. Which meant that no-one was sure what was real or what was fake in modern (politics).
As one journalist put it, "It's a strategy of power that keeps any opposition "constantly confused” - a ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable "because it is indefinable."
Meanwhile, real power was elsewhere - hidden away behind the stage, exercised without anyone seeing it.
And then the same thing seemed to start happening in the West.”
Excerpt from the transcript of “HyperNormalisation” by A. Curtis 2016
My thought exactly. I'm not sure what Matt's point was in putting this out. It feels like a headline missing anaylysis and conclusion. A crowd of Trump's creation stormed the locked and barricaded U.S. Capitol with the intent of preventing the elected government from completing the process of confirming the election of not-Trump. Someone was killed in the storming process; so Trump, being Trump, has found a way to use that death to create more support for himself to become the second known person to become President in an extra-Constitutional manner; the first being G. Bush, Jr. who was essentially appointed by a court that ordered an end to the counting of legitimate votes. Had Al Gore been Trump-like, he could have used the same tactics as Trump, with added benefit and support from having actually won the election; which it is widely known would have been confirmed had the court allowed legitimately cast votes to be counted. In what could be considered a rehearsal for the January 6, 2021 storming of the Capitol, in 2000, Congressional staffers and others GOPers who would benefit from Bush, Jr.'s appointment were sent to storm the offices of elections supervisors in Florida, banging on locked doors and demanding that they discontinue counting votes. They did not want the process of democracy (vote counting) to prevent their choice from becoming President, and it worked! Then, twenty years later, a group even more emphatically determined to prevent a democractic process stormed the Capital to prevent the confirmation of recording votes. It seems we are likely in the end-times for this current faux-democracy, as one of the two authorized-by-the-aristocrats parties knows it has little chance of winning in quasi-fair elections; so outright, mafioso-style autocracy is surely on the horizon.
Explain to me how Biden was supposed to win all bell weather counties before the election and therefore win the election but somehow Trump won 19/20 bell weather counties and yet lost the election? When this type of banana republic election happens in other countries, US calls it fraudulent election. But when it happens in US, it's all hunky dory.
And why were the anti-kavanaugh protestors who stormed the capitol and senate chambers all encouraged by Democrats - Pelosi, AOC etc treated differently as compared to the Trump supporters:
I was reporting on the ground on 1/6 and saw Babbitt's blood-drenched body being carted away inches away from my face.
It was a nightmare, but not for the reasons people think. It was that the media coverage was completely horseshit compared to what I witnessed in DC that day.
For one, nobody was "armed" in the "armed insurrection" with anything more than pepper spray or American flags. For another, I found evidence of a coordinated attack by 100-200 militiamen in black but NONE of the people involved in it have been grabbed up or charged by feds, just random trespassers caught up on mostly flimsy charges.
What was terrifying was hearing in real-time from police sources of a massive incoming crackdown by cops... which was only stopped because word got out that some white girl got shot. This happened as we all got text messages warning us that DC was effectively under martial law.
Then I made it back to the hotel room and all I saw was what looked like rehearsed hostage videos of Republican politicians condemning a "violent coup attempt" that didn't actually happen. There was a small group of a couple hundred militia members who roped another couple thousand idiots into attacking the cops after an initially overly-aggressive police response - all in the context of an extremely-tame marijuana-reeking boomer fest with half a million peaceful demonstrators. That retard show moved on into the Capitol Building after the cops - who'd gotten their asses kicked - were ordered to retreat and funnel protesters into already-evacuated sections of the building.
It was horrifying waking up to a world where a cop caps an unarmed woman with apparently no warning and EVERYONE in media is automatically convinced that the shooter was the real victim.
I just thought: America is fucked, guys. There's no way we can continue to function as a country when our media and government is this violently opposed to reality.
Great comment. I’m not tribal and don’t take sides in the red-blue wars. I’m not sure if that many people really do, in fact. Beyond a few thousand zealouts.
But you are correct, we can’t continue as a nation when the media-government industrial complex is violently opposed to factual reality.
Some may remember the late NY Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who quipped of political debates, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.” That is no longer true. And that’s a disgrace.
I think the left screwed the pooch on this one. They gave the right someone to rally around, showed their blatant hypocrisy re police violence, and exposed all the lies they had been telling themselves about being of the people and not a new aristocracy.
One of the few things mentioned about this protest is that a large minority of people who were involved had had businesses and livelihoods destroyed by lockdowns and the insane societal response to Covid, and by the summer and fall of 2020 Trump was one of the few people who was realistically criticizing the blanket hysteria. I think many of the protesters saw Biden's "win" as another step toward health authoritarianism--and indeed it was. We have Fauci basically still running our country in many important ways, an 80 year old blowhard megalomaniac, the left's version of an authoritarian asshole who plays in his own shit in the morning and thinks it is pure gold. As someone who has felt this rage as well, who's life, work and family has been totally blown apart by the Covid mania, I wish that side of the story would be addressed.
That being said, I take no part in the frantic machinations on both sides and have become, for better or for worse, a staunch proponent of the American libertarian movement. I plan on popping a lot of popcorn in 2022 and 2024. Both sides of the aisle are rotten to their core.
There is rank activism involving the people arrested on misdemeanor tresspass charges, just not on the part of Trump. If you believe that makes me a Trump supporter, that's your problem. I am a US Constitution supporter, and equal treatment under law is sacred to me. Another instance where you let the mask slip to reveal the face of knee jerk partisan Democrat. Shame on you.
This is something I am watching closely as well. It is a travesty that so many have been locked up for months, some in solitary confinement when the Antifa activists get arrested and then are out the next morning back on the streets.
Thanks for, as always, great journalism. It makes my stomach hurt when I read, "the worst act of political violence since the Civil War," having lived through the Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma City bombing. I didn't experience it but I was alive back then. If they think a riot at the Capitol is the worst violence they've seen, they don't remember the Summer of 2020. I guess they don't remember it because it wasn't shown to them. It was simply put in a blender and spun as "peaceful reckoning." But I think blowing up a Federal Building to protest the government, with children in day care dead, is something we all seem to have forgotten.
Worst act of political violence since the Civil War?
What the fuck was 9/11? Redecorating via airliner?
Never mind the assassinations of three fucking presidents.
Lol - rite?
Also the attempted assassination of 5 congressmen (bipartisan attack) by Puerto Rican nationalists in 1954. And the attempted assassination of Harry Truman (1 White House police officer killed) by the same group in 1950. Wall Street bombing 1920, 40 killed and hundreds injured. Fraunces Tavern bombing 1975, 4 killed. Weather Underground bombings, and on and on.
There are countless acts of political violence in the US that are way worse than January 6.
I am frustrated because I had to take a phone call a few minutes ago - I wanted to post this first.
That said, how does even an organization as reprehensible as CNN allow something so easily refuted to be broadcast? While it may be just purely a case of not caring about the truth but my gut tells me that they are literally so ill informed and clueless that they literally don't know how wrong they are.
They aren't stupid, they're evil.
They would have to be morons with an IQ of 40 to not know in their own warped mind that they are peddling blatant propaganda designed to further delude the retarded sheep in this country.
If only they didn’t know. They know. They are evil liars.
CNN, like any of the other networks of any party affiliation or political bent are profit oriented. No different than the old (and current) tabloid style papers like the NY Post and National Enquirer. They will be as sensational as they believe their target audience to whom their advertisers are catering will let them be and they'll continually push boundaries in order to carve out greater viewership/clicks just like any typical social media "influencer" or YouTube/TikTok "celebrity."
TL/DR: It's all about the Benjamins and not at all about the truth even if they happen to accidentally tell the truth occasionally.
Too many Indian massacres to count as well, and they *were* political. The internment of the Japanese, the Tulsa race massacre; there is a political element to all of them. Killing of multiple Presidents, shooting of a Congresswoman, attempted shooting of Republican members of Congress.
January 6th was pretty bad, but really not comparable to any of those things or of course 9/11, the causes and perpetrators of which the public is still not fully apprised.
On 9/11, some people did something
And that's truthfully about all we REALLY know. LOL
Honestly just not that bad. Lives lost we’re only among the demonstrators. Minimal property damage. No one was armed. Can you imagine a large group of Trump supporters who really wanted to create destruction? Most of us own weapons. This country’s institutions must be razed. The FBI/CIA etc are corrupt beyond redemption. We cannot have two tiers of justice. We cannot persecute parents concerned about their schools. Historically you can only push people so far.
THERE WAS ZERO VIOLENCE AT THE CAPITOL EXCEPT THE SHOOTING OF THIS WOMAN. I don’t agree with what she did and I think a cop would’ve been justified bopping her on the head as she squeezed through the opening. But no one even brought a weapon into the Capitol. This was a police murder.
There was some violence but not much of it. Of course those are the images repeated in the dishonest media. Mostly it was just civil disobedience. Much much less disobedient that what the media celebrates for the left. And none of those protestors that entered the building that they the people own had weapons.
The media chattering class hypocrisy over this compared to the previous 2 years of BLM and Antifa violent rioting is frankly breathtaking.
You know what else is breathtaking?
A gallows.
Oh, there was definitely violence. Let's not deny reality.
The issue here is the dishonest and divergent coverage of this event vs all of the other similar acts of mob violence that happened all across the country, which is downright infuriating. The most infuriating aspect of the whole thing is that several members of congress didn't give a damn about the thousands of people that were in the same position during the George Floyd riots that they were in that day, but this doesn't stop them from waxing poetic about how "traumatic" it was for them. Apparently they are under the delusion that Americans should care more about how they feel than our fellow citizens, which is ass backwards. Spare me. This is compounded by the fact that most of the very same people are a bunch of war hawks that have zero issue with creating chaos in 3rd world countries at 1000X the level of magnitude of J6. Our military just ordered a drone strike that killed 7 innocent Afghan children, and the apology from the ones that actually deigned to acknowledge it was largely limited to a "whoopsie!"
Additionally we do not know how heavily the FBI was involved in January 6. They may have done the “heavy lifting”
Sorry but which legislators in which states/municipalities were actually targeted and attacked during the George Floyd protests? I don't recall any threats against legislatures or governors either except coming from the right (but many likely engineered by the FBI as they've been doing for decades with leftist, black, Muslim, etc. groups that they frame up for alleged attempted terrorism). So I'm genuinely curious as to who was in the same position as the members of Congress were on Jan 6 during 2020.
Agree with all of the rest. Cheers.
If I may, I believe the point Kaylea was making was that our leaders didn’t care about those constituents affected by the riots during 2020, but got all dramatic about the j6 kerfuffle. And no, AOC, you weren’t there.
zero violence lol, that violence goalpost gets moved so much it's meaningless now
Yes, you do that. List convictions for violent offenses? Name incidents of violence?
*barf*
Over 140 police injured according to police unions... One officer killed during the attack. Last time I checked, police unions weren't "left"leaning organizations. If you want to feel bad for Ashli Babbitt go ahead, but she pushed the envelope on that day and lost.
John, you should be on Ashli Babbitt's side. How is trespassing any worse than passing a counterfeit $20 bill (George Floyd's crime)? Neither one deserved to die for what they did. And please for the millionth time officer Brian Siknik died of an aneurysm after the riot was over, not from any violence and not during the riot.
I should be on her side? We are all going to be on her side one day, 6 ft in the f****** ground. I swear belief in Politics should be classified along with Religion as a type of mental illness.
Rlly??? Trespassing is as bad as passing (perhaps unknowingly?) a counterfeit $20 bill?
Now do I think deadly violence was needed in either case? Definitely not, but the two incidents were hardly even comparable other than that two people died.
Liar. Flat-out liar. Not one single officer was killed that day. Not one. People had heart attacks and god knows what other medical calamity. No one was killed except Ashli Babbit.
You're pushing an envelope now. Just so you know.
I have seen reports of another woman essentially stomped to death by the police that day and they wouldn’t allow any one to help her
no officer was killed during the attack.
Did you notice how he used passive voice: “one officer killed in the attack….” Passive voice is the telltale of a weak argument. But he had to use passive voice because he knew it would be a manifest prevarication to write something like, “the rioters killed one officer….”
"One officer killed during the attack". REALLY???
Please point out which one of the deaths at the Capitol on 1/6/2021 is the "officer" you mention. Benjamin Phillips, 50, from Greentown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, from Athens, Alabama; and Roseanne Boyland, 34 of Kennesaw, Georgia.
"The Capitol riots occurred on January 6 and there were *not any officers who died that day*." https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/20/jen-psaki-states-officers-died-january-6-capitol-riot/ You must be thinking of comments by Joe Biden and Jen Psaki that were blatantly false.
Brian Sicknick died of a stroke, but not on January 6th and not by a fire extinguisher wielded by 'insurrectionists' either.
Four officers *did* die by suicide after the riot. Whether that was because they sympathized with the rioters or felt that they didn't do their jobs is probably debatable. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/third-d-c-officer-who-responded-capitol-riot-dies-suicide-n1275740
No police officer killed during attack. Usually don’t get murdered for trespassing. Unjust.
Killed by... a fire extinguisher?
Have you been frozen for the last year?
love how those people forgot one police officer was brutally killed and several committed suicide.
no officer was brutally killed. If you honestly believe that you have zero business posting on this topic.
Nope. No police officer killed. I hope you are just misinformed and not lying
^^^ Retard
Is property damage violence or not?
So you admit 100% of George Floyd protests were violent?
LOL. You apparently don't understand that violence can be committed by multiple parties and individuals either acting in concert with a specified goal or simply taking advantage of a situation. The correct way to phrase it with the BLM/Floyd protests is that the *VAST* majority *STARTED OFF* peacefully and that the MAJORITY stayed that way, but the ones that didn't were characterized by all sorts of different violence. Looting by opportunists, genuine attempted property damage by left, right and anarchists, shootings of police, of protestors, of innocent bystanders and violence committed BY police in response to the INITIALLY peaceful demonstrations. In fact, I'd argue the latter - based on my own anecdotal experience and what I've heard from others - is what sparked the VAST majority of the violence that year. In cases where police allowed demonstrators a certain degree of hands-off treatment, most of those demonstrations never saw any violence. In other cases where the police took a heavy hand against protestors early in the demonstrations, that's where you saw things devolve into chaos and violence. Of course there are always exceptions and opportunists which are in the minority in any social movement protests, and there are also always police, ATF, and FBI infiltrators which are also a minority.
I really don't understand how anyone could just wave their hand and say, literally, 100% of the George Floyd protests were 'violent' as though 1) they actually were (they weren't) and 2) "violence" is just one big bucket into which all sorts of actions and actors can be lumped to make a political point - which is what you're doing.
I'm not the one making any claims either way.
Absolutely.
Oh they know. Anyone that lives in a major city experienced it and was shaken, and this is the majority of liberals.
They just ignore it, minimize it, lie about it for the "greater good". They euphemistically call this "asset framing"....no kidding. Like why talk about the riots, fires and violence when 98% of demonstrations were peaceful.
"Oh they know. Anyone that lives in a major city experienced it and was shaken, and this is the majority of liberals."
The majority of big cities including the ones where there was protesting/rioting/looting/targeting of law enforcement (by right and left) are populated primarily by what any reasonable person would call "liberals" including myself, having lived in a city with its own BLM/George Floyd demonstrations (none of which turned violent other than an out-of-towner Trump supporter shooting a protestor who was open carrying). There was no property damage and nobody I know is scarred or shaken from it. I would guess the sentiment is the same in the majority of other cities with a few exceptions including certain areas of Minneapolis, Seattle and New York.
I know the topic is the January 6th incident, but the truth is that *most* if not the majority of the George Floyd protests were non-violent and that the property damage and looting were primarily motivated by poverty, the pandemic (lockdowns, loss of jobs, loneliness) and the overly harsh response of police to the initially completely non-violent gatherings.
I wrote this about January 6th on January 9th.
"The storming at the capitol was Lexington and Concord. It was Bunker Hill, It was the shot heard round the world. It was the blood that nourishes the Tree of Liberty. The right to vote freely in a Republic is worthy of all of this angst, all of the rage, and all of the tears."
More: https://jennyhatch.com/2021/02/11/democrats-rest-case-in-impeachment-trial-jennyhatch-voterfraud/
History will record that those who confronted our politicians on that day were completely justified. And if I had been there I would have happily joined in the storming of the castle.
Remember that the second impeachment effort was because President Trump supposedly called for violence.
Great points. What is forgotten is this was all about a manifestly corrupt election. We are losing our God given rights. We may have to fight harder to get them back
History will do none of those things. They committed an insurrection in order to try to stop a completely legitimate and normal handing off the Presidency from Trump to Biden. The election was completely valid, with Trump losing 67 of 68 court cases around it. And had you been there you hopefully would not have been stupid enough to do any such thing. But you keep on keeping on with your delusion.
Anyone who knows me well, including my husband and kids, know that if I had been at the Capitol on January 6th I would have joined in.
I would have organized a group to sing patriotic hymns outside the Senate chamber to remind the politicians to not certify an election that was certified by States that made last minute rule changes, in violation of the United States Constitution.
You should get out a bit Bob and talk to those who witnessed fraud in real time. I have been listening to their testimonies for months and the fact is that President Trump absolutely won the election...easily.
Why don't any of you remember the cop screaming in the door way? Also chanting hang mike pence? Trumps audit done in AZ found more votes for Biden. The drama king loves his reality show, except there's no paid apprenti reship at the end just his contestants paying him for a bit part in this American tradegy.
I saw the young officer get squished. Like I said, ALL of the angst over the election fraud is worthy of all of this seemingly pointless rising up in righteous indignation and rage.
A huge group of mostly men yelled out with their actions that they were not going to sit quietly while the ruling class stole another election.
Check your assumptions on the Arizona forensic audit proving Biden won. That was how the media cynically interpreted the results.
There was TONS of electoral dysfunction:
https://jennyhatch.com/2021/10/13/erectile-and-electoral-dysfunction/
And yet, we're supposed to believe that the "electoral dysfunction" was *ALL* in favor of Biden and not only that, but that it was all coordinated as a conspiracy. Sorry, that's a bridge way too far.
A few things bear noting here. During the past 100 years or more, there has been election "tampering" in the form of gerrymandering, voter suppression, overzealous voter ID laws, intimidation, under-staffing or not having enough voting machines, and in the case of Bush v. Gore, a partisan activist SCOTUS decision on party lines to cancel a recount in Florida where Bush's brother had played a key role in stopping it. In the Bush v. Kerry election there was serious malfeasance and conflict of interest at play in Ohio.
Also, Trump's White House commissioned a study on voter fraud well before the election of 2020 and its findings were, let's just say, underwhelming. In fact, numerous instances - if not the majority - of vote fraud cases involved votes in favor of Donald Trump in 2016. In none of the cases were there enough to change the outcome of any election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity
I understand that the entrenched corporate oligarchy and old money aristocracy have long tentacles and control the media narratives - both "left" and right. I also understand that on most issues (not including abortion and social safety net or environment) we are presented with a fake choice between the Red warmongers and the Blue warmongers who both serve the same aforementioned corporate/aristocratic elite and the interests of big, big money and the 0.01%.
But when you do a deep dive on all of Trump's accusations of fraud, in every case I've seen, you turn up nothing. I'm fully willing to believe that the voting machines are hackable and have "back doors" either individually or in the tallying systems, but when the first thing I hear is that Venezuela (a huge demon to the American right and center Democrats) was changing the election in Biden's favor, I couldn't help but think back to when the center Democrats and most mainstream media were trying to tell us that Russia hacked the election in Trump's favor. It's utter bullshit in both cases.
I will NEVER forget sitting and watching in real time as Trump was very comfortably ahead, cruising to an easy victory, when counting in five states simultaneously stopped. Right then I knew it was rigged and over. No one has been able to adequately explain that to me.
Right, because Trump encouraged all his supporters to vote in person not by mail, so the mail in votes skewed towards Democrats. That's why it happened this way. Trump lost. Biden won. Might want to get over it and stop being completely delusional.
No. There wasn't. This has been fully litigated. Trump lost. Biden won. You may want to move on and stop being completely delusional.
80,000votes that were suspect, and still are. In one county
Over a MILLION in Pennsylvania. It is all going to bust out past the gatekeepers... I think Mastriano would be a wonderful Secretary of State. His leadership and courage has been amazing to witness.
I just marveled watching this...
https://youtu.be/O8NTMGkE6CA
Pennsylvania is the cradle of liberty and how joyous to watch them re-asserting their place in History.
Nope. You're 100% wrong. You have zero credibility. It's not busting out past anyone. You're completely delusional.
I know, it makes me also feel sad for our society. The fact that people not only compare January 6th to OKC bombing and 9/11, but they equate or act like January 6th is worse; and it's socially acceptable to say this.
In reality, January 6th was a trespassing event and riot that caused less damage than many riots over the summer. The only reason the media makes it out to be so horrible is because the trespassers defied Kween Kamala.
Disorderly tourists.
Well, this is fun. How about:
* 1968 race riots (Watts, Detroit, etc.)
* Assassination of MLK and RFK
* A variety of bombings and other violent acts committed by the left wing terrorist organization known as the Weatherman, also known as Weathermen and later the Weather Underground Organization, from 1969 through the 1970s. Their acts were overtly political.
Don't forget all the violence against Blacks in the country after the Civil War. Or the Indian massacres. Most of it was overtly political as well.
Never forget. Learn from history. It was as wrong as Antifa and BLM.
Pff... the rioting of 2020 was a state-sanctioned color revolution.
Nothing more. That's why the legacy corporate media pretends it never happened.
It's their clown world, we just live in it.
Please expand. How was it a color revolution in the same way as the US government and NGOs engineer them in places like Belarus and Ukraine and to some extent Syria and the greater middle east? By what metrics or indicators were the 2020 Floyd protests a state "sanctioned" color revolution and what political changes that were demanded by this "state" actually occurred? I'm genuinely curious. Like what was the goal and what was accomplished at the end of it all?
Got rid of Trump. Facilitated the stolen election.
And what about all those Koresh followers who were torched by ATF in Texas? Was that a violent insurrection? Tim McVeigh thought so.
Good point. That govt slaughter motivated him
Totally agree. Thanks
Should we mention all the lefty roaches that came out of the woodwork for George Floyd? Or the fact that the Democratic leadership knelt for 9 minutes in the rotunda with kente cloths around their necks to support a dangerous criminal, drug addict, drug dealer, car thief - talk about heinous; that was heinous.
I applaud Donald Trump for standing up for Ashli Babbitt. If he would have been president, that cop that shot her would have to pay. But instead we're living in a alternate universe where good is bad and lying is the norm, and the tyrants in the WH and Congress, with the help of the corporate media, are turning the screws on patriotic americans.
The extrajudicial execution of anyone, even if you think he's a "dangerous criminal" is fucking heinous because he wasn't being a "dangerous criminal" when he was executed. Ashli, not so much.
I'm getting really sick of the Trump Trolls on here.
You sound like just the kind of cuck we’ve come to expect when anyone brings up Floyd. The guy shouldn’t have died, but the moron had the better part of half an hour to just get in the fucking cop car! At one point in the video he even says “put me back on the ground!”.
GF worth more dead than alive. Shouldn't have died, noone argues, but he's no saint. Not by a longshot.
hear hear!
Yep. Watch the whole video. He died of a fentanyl overdose. I work in an inner city ER. See big violent strung out folks like this all the time. Pretty scary.
Neither of these people were acting in a manner that required deadly force. I don't think we should tolerate police brutality and excessive use of force just because the victim is not in our political tribe.
Yup. If it took the riot on the 6th for people to learn that our state murders its people, they'd been actively ignoring the hundreds of extra-judicial killings the cops perpetrate yearly. In other words: they're only capable of empathy if their politics align with the victim. I think you had to be a real dim bulb to be at that Jan 6 riot, but that certainly doesn't mean Babbitt shoulda been shot.
Call me old school, but I differentiate a heavy-handed yet widely used and taught police tactic from a bullet to the dome.
I have a hard time lumping these together under "deadly force".
Floyd was restrained with a described method. Fentanyl killed him
How about, “statist cunt?”
You don’t get points for how you arrive at a corpse.
Of course how you arrive at death is relevant. For instance, trespassing isn't cause for death. Resisting arrest and attempting escape, for instance after driving around beyond wasted with COVID, putting innocent people in immediate harms way....well play stupid games win stupid prizes.
That aside, you should try and make a point once without cussing. You'd look more intelligent.
The use of curse words is highly correlated with higher intelligence. Maybe you'd look more intelligent if you made a point with cussing.
Which is worse?
Telling you to fuck off?
Or minimizing murder because it suits your political persuasion?
Neither were dangerous criminals. Yes one was committing a crime and was no angel either. The other was knelt on in a more unjustified killing. I'll admit that about both Ashli Babbitt and George Floyd.
Still, the shooting was not a "righteous kill" as the media claims and if it happened to an antifa protestor, there would be hell to pay.
Adolph Reed predicts the backlash to woketard liberals will be a Holocaust. I agree. I don’t think blacks will be the target though. I think a lot of frantic Twitter deletions are coming.
I love Adolph Reed and I need to hear more of his work. I can't say his wrong. Let's pray that if there is a violent backlash to wokeism, it targets the intellectuals and not any children.
Usually the innocent get slaughtered and the guilty slither away.
I hope not, but the amount of time you can draw a direct line from utter fuckery to the Tribe is depressing.
People are noticing, and they are well aware of it. I hope cooler heads prevail yet I see little to no course correction.
Floyd made bad decision after bad decision after bad decision, his entire life and was nothing but a cost to society.
He had put himself in the ER before by downing a bunch of drugs to try and evade arrest and apparently learned nothing.
In a functioning society, he wouldn't have made the news.
Lol
Some society we have here. Yes sir.
Even after death!! The old adage being "worth more dead than alive" fits GF to a T!
The punishment did not fit the crime and this has nothing to do with Trump. Get your TDS checked along with your antibodies dude, dude, you're not healthy.
What you are getting sick of is the truth coming out and what is to follow. Buckle up buttercup.
Take a breath, Markie Mark. The folks here whose views you dislike are not going away.
It seems like that's all there are on here. Predictable, I guess.
Not really. Some of us are recovering former Democrats who've seen Burrrrnie, AOC, Ilhan, and The Squad poison politics with their Marxist blathtering.
I would laugh my ass off if R's took a knee for Ashli.
You forgot his porn career too! Now we are screwed, who's gonna cure cancer now George Floyd is dead?
Awesome post!!
Do you ever consider the blatant hypocrisy of excusing the extrajudicial killing of George Floyd - an illegal act perpetrated by those sworn to uphold the law - on the basis that Floyd committed criminal acts?
This outrage over the support of Floyd rings hollow when it comes from those who implicitly or explicitly justify, or at least minimize, the most morally repugnant and serious crime in US law.
These appeals to law and order - expressed through the mantra “the law is the law” - seem disingenuous at best, and to be subterfuge for much more sinister ideology rooted in the ignorance and hatred of white supremacy.
Floyd died from fentanyl. I do think they should have started CPR sooner. He was not killed. Ashli was murdered in cold blood while surrounded by police ifficers
Lol get the fuck out of here. “That knee on his neck for 9 minutes had nothing to don with it!! Chaivin was clearly convicted due to nothing but Floyd’s own drug use.” What a tragically delusional take. Keep excusing murder, though.
And yes, I think the murder of AB was wrong. See how easy that is?
Sorry knee on shoulder. Not comfortable but not in itself deadly.
You’re literally just making that up. We can all see the video and the pictures, including that one picture y’all like to circulate with the red circle around Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck that you say is proof that it’s on his shoulder. Quit your bullshit.
Main cause of death: fentanyl + underlying health problems.
If Trump had won there would have been no shooting, or did I miss something.
If Trump had won, the “insurrection” would have come from the Democrat’s side. I doubt anybody would have been shot, though, based on the protests of the summer.
do you realize how many people died as a result of the summer protests? 25 deaths, 604 arrests, an estimated $550 million in property damage to 1,500 locations. now tell me 1/06 was worse? #libtards
This is never mentioned but BLM preplanned riots in every major city if Trump won. They’ve boasted about it.
I'm just glad the media handles all police shootings exactly the same. Race doesn't figure into it at all.
Politics is also non-existent.
It is odd to think that a cop just smoked Babbitt and went on TV bragging about how he had no legal justification to shoot an unarmed veteran with no criminal record.
The same politicians who cheered cities being burned, including many mob beatings and murders, in the name of a multi-deadbeat dad who shoved a pistol in a fetus during a home invasion, then proceeded to drive around on a cocktail of drugs and COVID moments before his death, are silent.
The hypocrisy is appalling and noxious, whatever one's politics are.
Indeed. If anyone is curious to see mass gaslighting - or as it used to be called, propaganda - we're living in it's golden age.
Also odd, as more and more information has been delivered to the masses' fingertips, the gaslighting has only gotten more and more shameless and dirty.
Almost like they are testing how far it can go before people hit their limit. We have to be getting close.
There's no limit. Algorithms determine what will keep you enraged, I mean engaged, and continue to serve it up to keep those staring at the small screen in your pocket or the big screen in the living room. Gotta keep the cha-ching rolling! Hunter's laptop - $$. Branch Covidian groupthink - $$$$. Merck marking up therapeutic 40x above cost. $$$$$$$
I think the motivation is more insidious and deep rooted.
Than $$$$ that is
Yes, this. And the White House press corps laps it up at the "briefings." I guess they're not hearing what we are. Actually, they think we are too stupid to read between the BS.
Also, federal politicians used to pretend they cared about our opinions and would court our votes, even though we all knew it was just for show. They used to have "town halls" where they would go out and talk to their constituents. "Now it's not safe." (Read, not necessary)
Well stated!!
The Jan 6th "insurrection" narrative is the most classist and autocratic bs I've heard. I have lost complete faith in every institution that even touches that narrative. There is nothing to it other than naked political gain. It's incredibly depressing to see that at the highest levels, people in the US ignore basic facts in order to maintain their partisanship. When the Chairman of the Joint Cheifs himself participates in this nonsense you know the entire federal government is rotten.
It's easy to 'other' people. Just keep repeating the same lie over and over until it's accepted as an unchallengeable fact. You know, like masks don't prevent the spread of Covid until they did. Or that only conspiracy theorists believed in the lab leak hypothesis. My favorite is the 'othering' of natural immunity being ignored despite the science.
Oh Fauci and Becerra. A couple of cards.
So, I posted this elsewhere on this thread--but some of the protestors at the Capital that day were actually people who's lives and livelihoods had basically been destroyed by lockdowns and other draconian and security state type Covid "precautions." Many, if not most of these, were set in motion by none other than Fauci, who was almost unbelievably put on a pedestal by the Biden administration and who I believe is still person numero uno who calls the shots in the country, still.
If you don't think that is sick--that an incompetent 80 year old blowhard who seems have studied the Soviet Collectivization Playbook somewhere in epidemiology Skool, you are not paying attention. This man needs to be put in front of a tribunal.
He is a criminal. Like the arsonist that returns to the fire he set
Rotten to the core. Trump uncovered the depth and breadth of our irredeemably corrupt govt and media
Most conservatives/Trump supporters would tell you that they don't approve of the Jan. 6 riot and it would have been best not to have happened
It wasn't really that much different in intent, though, than the Kavanaugh handmaids or Code Pink protests. It was larger and more disruptive but all the vast majority of those participating did was trespass.
The only real violence came from the bastard who shot Ashli. Well, I think there was also an incident were the cops caused a crushing death but I'm not 100% on that.
It was certainly a lot shorter and less scary than the leftist attacks on the White House & the GOP convention the summer before, not to mention the fed courthouse in Portland.
The bizarre overreaction has caused a change in thinking at least for me.
I will now refer to those protestors as the Martyrs of January 6.
The Kavanaugh protests were even encouraged by democrats like AOC, Pelosi etc. Look up Kavanaugh protests storming the senate chambers, capitol etc on DuckDuckGo. Can't believe the blindness of democrats.
"Martyrs of January 6" LOL, that brightened my morning.
Disorderly tourists. I like the martyrs though. I also have seen reports of a woman purposely stomped to death by the police
Bill I guess if I sprayed you with chemicals, beat you with flag poles, kicked you in the the head a few times, and ransacked your house it would be okay with you. The police in this country can’t win because for all their faults the left and the right should be held responsible single for the words they use to incite the public, but then again politicians are never held responsible while the people at the bottom of the pyramid wage a war of words. Remember with freedom or free dumb comes personal responsibility.
Says the 'responsible' person who just said that if he was a Capitol policeman, he would have shot more people on January 6th. Keeping free to be dumb.
Or fire extinguishers, JRad. Don't forget the fire extinguishers. LOL.
The entire narrative you believe is BS.
Again, if you want to claim some kind of moral high ground you hopefully are on record with condemning the more destructive acts committed by the progressives the summer before or even condemning those who drove Tucker Carlson & his family from their home.
Really, back in January I was in the disapproval mode.
Now, because of the double-standard BS and dishonesty, it is the Martyrs of January 6.
How long do you think they should stay in jail, anyway? As long as a Portland Antfite?
Political prisoners. In America.
Keep drinking the kool-aid boys baaaaaah
Go back to a troll website. Please.
You need to see the recently-released real videos of the incursion. None of the protesters did a single one of the things you list. You also need to do an internet search for the debunking of the myth you are spreading.
I'm not going to help you with the URLs. If you want my help in learning how to construct and use an effective internet query, contact me through my column, One Foot in the Gravy. It's free
The MSM coverage of the AB shooting was a disgusting debacle. Imagine if a white cop shot a black protester. PS - They knew dude's name for months, just wouldn't report it. #TGIF
I didnt see the MSM coverage and I'm sure it was shite, but if ashli was a black dood a lot of the same people bellyaching now would be scoffing that he was trespassing and got what was coming to him, this is how it goes over and over
Doubt it. It's the character and politics which are in play. If Ashli was black but still was right winger he would get the same reaction from democrats as right now. Dems only care about your skin color if you are in their team. That's why they have zero self awareness about the 72% unvaccinated blacks because they only want to use every issue as a way to dunk on the opposing view point. If Dems cares about blacks, then Chicago, Baltimore etc places which have been run fully by dems for over half a century wouldn't have so many problems.
Dems care about power and money only. Repubs not much better.
Hopefully your assessment is accurate at large scale, but we all know people who only recognize an obvious thing when it's convenient to their political slant. You've pointed out the same thing from another group of people ('Dems').
Nope. I’m against murder of all races. Each incident is different. This was a small unarmed woman who was murdered
You’re an amazing mind reader, considering you don’t actually have one yourself.
Uh...come at bro? Can we skip to the part where you just copy paste repetitive nonsense instead of forming it into sentences?
So did the dark cloud. Anons matched his beaded bracelets with Facebook postings and photos of the Congressional Chambers.
Worst act of political violence since the civil war? John Berman should be fired for incurable stupidity for saying this. Kennedy's assassination, Pol Pot, Vietnam war, Afghanistan 'Action', and on and on. Then again, CNN's continued defense and employment of zombified humans like Stelter and Cuomo shows you how far below ground the bar has been buried.
Brennan isn't stupid. He's doing exactly what he intends to do. These people aren't stupid. They are evil.
Very true
I've said it before, I will repeat it here and no doubt will have to do so in the future: Jan 6 was NOT an insurrection. It was political theater with trespass. Ya want an "insurrection"? Check those photos of the Taliban in the Afghan President's office after they took over: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/15/taliban-continues-advances-captures-key-city-of-jalalabad
Yeah a real insurrection would be a lot bloodier and wouldn’t end after 2-3 hours.
Whatever your politics, Ashli Babbitt was murdered by the state and the state sanctioned it after the fact. This should disturb every citizen no matter there political beliefs. The government will deprive you of life, employment, the ability to put food on the table for your family and pay the heat bill--this is not a democratic republic. We are no longer citizens but subjects of the state.
Arm yourself accordingly.
it's curious that people needed Ashli Babbit to be murdered to understand there was a disturbing state sanctioned murder problem
Many Americans have understood the state is cold-blooded and kills with impunity. Sometimes you need a street vendor to set himself on fire for others to wake up. I find it curious (and disturbing) that the left, who for all appearances opposed state-sanctioned murder/authoritarianism, has now dropped to their knees and looked adoringly to the lords and ladies of American aristocracy for alms and approval.
I wouldn't call that group 'the left' (although I understand why it gets used), spend 10 minutes perusing Grayzone, Abby Martin, or Fred Hampton Leftists content to see where 'the left' is at re: state violence.
If you look at the numbers considering the amount of interactions it is not as disturbing as you imply. That being said even one is one to many. Each incident deserves HONEST investigation and appropriate punishment. Right now if you are white and murdere no biggie. If black the country burns.
I definitely agree on the investigation. But when cops kill a black person, the country burns for more than a single event. It burns over a legacy of events in the last 200 years in America that just doesn't exist (or at least isn't the same) for whitey. I'm not endorsing the burning here, but it's way more nuanced than just looking at numbers of interactions over the last year or two or five.
What I'm implying is that there are people who just won't accept there's a problem until someone in the group of malcontents with whom they identify gets the boot on their neck. Up until the time this happens, victims are just getting what they deserve. And I should be clear my intention was not to accuse WEVA of this by replying to their comment above.
You make an excellent point there has been a long history of race based abuse. Our culture has improved dramatically just in my lifetime (62 years) but I can certainly understand lingering anger at past injustices
You can't face reality because you depend on a fairy tale for your emotional stability. No one needs to deal with you. You need clinical intervention.
lol don't let me distract you from whatever tidy simpleton fantasy you are living then with my clinical needs, feel free to scroll on by rather than ironically surrendering to your need to deal with me
There’s nothing curious about you except your microcephaly.
totally pwn't, I concede all my propositions
Good advice.
If the 60's were on acid, and the 70's on pot ----> 80's/90's televangelical money making and high-fructose corn syrup, then our current milieu is the fetid internet media blob - distortion, fracture atomization brought to the doorsteps of billions with a whiff of dragon's breath cynicism which makes the corpse of Edward Bernays cringe. The pendulum of changing narratives as a means to confuse and disorient is just one sign of the sickness engulfing this society.
I'd give the 80s to coke, although it's never gone away.
Perhaps a sign of the times, the younger folks really enjoy ketamine these days....and this is often doctors and nurses - not exactly deadbeats. For my part, I keep it all natural.
check out this excerpt:
“But then a technologist emerged who went much further. And his ideas would become central to… power
He was called Vladislav Surkov. Surkov came originally from the theatre world and those who have studied his career say that what he did was take avant-garde ideas from the theatre, and bring them into the heart of politics.
Surkov's aim was not just to manipulate people, but to go deeper and play with, and undermine,
their very perception of the world so, they are never sure what is really happening.
Surkov turned … politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theatre.
He used (gov) money to sponsor all kinds of groups - from mass anti-fascist youth organizations,
to the very opposite - neo-Nazi skinheads. And liberal human rights groups who then attacked the government. Surkov even backed whole political parties that were opposed to the (president).
But the key thing was that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing. Which meant that no-one was sure what was real or what was fake in modern (politics).
As one journalist put it, "It's a strategy of power that keeps any opposition "constantly confused” - a ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable "because it is indefinable."
Meanwhile, real power was elsewhere - hidden away behind the stage, exercised without anyone seeing it.
And then the same thing seemed to start happening in the West.”
Excerpt from the transcript of “HyperNormalisation” by A. Curtis 2016
https://www.scripts.com/script-pdf/10432
some edits to strip specific gov reference, to emphasize global impacts
Remember that part well - Curtis and his last stuff though - seems to be a part of the problem. https://www.kennedysandking.com/reviews/deep-fake-politics-getting-adam-curtis-out-of-your-head
This is so true.
This piece feels unfinished, like the last 2/3 is missing.
I keep checking to see if it's updated, this short blurb isn't like anything else Matt has been posting on substack.
Yes.
My thought exactly. I'm not sure what Matt's point was in putting this out. It feels like a headline missing anaylysis and conclusion. A crowd of Trump's creation stormed the locked and barricaded U.S. Capitol with the intent of preventing the elected government from completing the process of confirming the election of not-Trump. Someone was killed in the storming process; so Trump, being Trump, has found a way to use that death to create more support for himself to become the second known person to become President in an extra-Constitutional manner; the first being G. Bush, Jr. who was essentially appointed by a court that ordered an end to the counting of legitimate votes. Had Al Gore been Trump-like, he could have used the same tactics as Trump, with added benefit and support from having actually won the election; which it is widely known would have been confirmed had the court allowed legitimately cast votes to be counted. In what could be considered a rehearsal for the January 6, 2021 storming of the Capitol, in 2000, Congressional staffers and others GOPers who would benefit from Bush, Jr.'s appointment were sent to storm the offices of elections supervisors in Florida, banging on locked doors and demanding that they discontinue counting votes. They did not want the process of democracy (vote counting) to prevent their choice from becoming President, and it worked! Then, twenty years later, a group even more emphatically determined to prevent a democractic process stormed the Capital to prevent the confirmation of recording votes. It seems we are likely in the end-times for this current faux-democracy, as one of the two authorized-by-the-aristocrats parties knows it has little chance of winning in quasi-fair elections; so outright, mafioso-style autocracy is surely on the horizon.
Explain to me how Biden was supposed to win all bell weather counties before the election and therefore win the election but somehow Trump won 19/20 bell weather counties and yet lost the election? When this type of banana republic election happens in other countries, US calls it fraudulent election. But when it happens in US, it's all hunky dory.
And why were the anti-kavanaugh protestors who stormed the capitol and senate chambers all encouraged by Democrats - Pelosi, AOC etc treated differently as compared to the Trump supporters:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kavanaugh+protests+capitol&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
Lots af “anomalies” in 2020 election!!!
I was reporting on the ground on 1/6 and saw Babbitt's blood-drenched body being carted away inches away from my face.
It was a nightmare, but not for the reasons people think. It was that the media coverage was completely horseshit compared to what I witnessed in DC that day.
For one, nobody was "armed" in the "armed insurrection" with anything more than pepper spray or American flags. For another, I found evidence of a coordinated attack by 100-200 militiamen in black but NONE of the people involved in it have been grabbed up or charged by feds, just random trespassers caught up on mostly flimsy charges.
What was terrifying was hearing in real-time from police sources of a massive incoming crackdown by cops... which was only stopped because word got out that some white girl got shot. This happened as we all got text messages warning us that DC was effectively under martial law.
Then I made it back to the hotel room and all I saw was what looked like rehearsed hostage videos of Republican politicians condemning a "violent coup attempt" that didn't actually happen. There was a small group of a couple hundred militia members who roped another couple thousand idiots into attacking the cops after an initially overly-aggressive police response - all in the context of an extremely-tame marijuana-reeking boomer fest with half a million peaceful demonstrators. That retard show moved on into the Capitol Building after the cops - who'd gotten their asses kicked - were ordered to retreat and funnel protesters into already-evacuated sections of the building.
It was horrifying waking up to a world where a cop caps an unarmed woman with apparently no warning and EVERYONE in media is automatically convinced that the shooter was the real victim.
I just thought: America is fucked, guys. There's no way we can continue to function as a country when our media and government is this violently opposed to reality.
Great comment. I’m not tribal and don’t take sides in the red-blue wars. I’m not sure if that many people really do, in fact. Beyond a few thousand zealouts.
But you are correct, we can’t continue as a nation when the media-government industrial complex is violently opposed to factual reality.
Some may remember the late NY Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who quipped of political debates, “You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.” That is no longer true. And that’s a disgrace.
People are just telling "their truth" lol. We hear it all the time now, "tell your truth", not tell THE truth.
Thanks for the eyewitnesses reporting. May want to write it all done and keep it somewhere safe.
I think the left screwed the pooch on this one. They gave the right someone to rally around, showed their blatant hypocrisy re police violence, and exposed all the lies they had been telling themselves about being of the people and not a new aristocracy.
The center isn't holding anymore.
The center is just fine. It's still there. It's just that it's no longer being occupied by any political party or most news outlets.
Pretty true. For me, the center is now 3rd Party as well.
The left has been “screwing the pooch” for some time. This is just latest example
One of the few things mentioned about this protest is that a large minority of people who were involved had had businesses and livelihoods destroyed by lockdowns and the insane societal response to Covid, and by the summer and fall of 2020 Trump was one of the few people who was realistically criticizing the blanket hysteria. I think many of the protesters saw Biden's "win" as another step toward health authoritarianism--and indeed it was. We have Fauci basically still running our country in many important ways, an 80 year old blowhard megalomaniac, the left's version of an authoritarian asshole who plays in his own shit in the morning and thinks it is pure gold. As someone who has felt this rage as well, who's life, work and family has been totally blown apart by the Covid mania, I wish that side of the story would be addressed.
That being said, I take no part in the frantic machinations on both sides and have become, for better or for worse, a staunch proponent of the American libertarian movement. I plan on popping a lot of popcorn in 2022 and 2024. Both sides of the aisle are rotten to their core.
As of this week, it appears that at least 70 people were still being detained without bond on misdemeanor trespassing charges. See https://www.npr.org/2021/10/13/1045696978/judge-holds-washington-d-c-jail-officials-in-contempt-in-a-jan-6-riot-case.
Historically, DC courts have released 90% of defendants in misdemeanor cases pending trial. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/when-it-comes-to-pretrial-release-few-other-jurisdictions-do-it-dcs-way/2016/07/04/8eb52134-e7d3-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html
There is rank activism involving the people arrested on misdemeanor tresspass charges, just not on the part of Trump. If you believe that makes me a Trump supporter, that's your problem. I am a US Constitution supporter, and equal treatment under law is sacred to me. Another instance where you let the mask slip to reveal the face of knee jerk partisan Democrat. Shame on you.
This is something I am watching closely as well. It is a travesty that so many have been locked up for months, some in solitary confinement when the Antifa activists get arrested and then are out the next morning back on the streets.
Agree. Support and defend the Constitution.