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Max Dublin's avatar

I've seen this blog, glad to see that someone is keeping track of all of the false predictions. If you're interested I recently published a piece on this topic in the American Spectator.

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

Sure. Link?

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feldspar's avatar

Mr. Dublin, what make of you Exxon/Mobil's own private research team who forecast in the late 1960s (quite accurately), after exhaustively examining the oil company's internal documents, that the burning of the company's fossil fuels would eventually contribute to a warming planet by 0.2C every decade?

It's even been suggested by scholars, researchers and journalists who uncovered the oil giant's research that "ExxonMobil's predictions were often more accurate than even world-leading Nasa scientists."

"The research, published in the academic journal Science, also suggests that ExxonMobil had reasonable estimates for how emissions would need to be reduced in order to avoid the worst effects of climate change in a world warmed by 2C or more."

"Their scientists also correctly rejected the theory that an ice age was coming at a time when other researchers were still debating the prospect."

In addition, the boys and girls at the Pentagon have drawn up elaborate, detailed, war-gaming plans that would allow the nations's armed forces to effectively and strategically respond to the planetary havoc a warming planet might cause. What make of you this?

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64241994#

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Max Dublin's avatar

The link that you gave me is from the BBC. Notice that it is all innuendo, no specific sources are cited but James Hansen of NASA is mentioned in passing as an authority yet every last one of his predictions have been false, every last one, go check them out for yourself and prove me wrong if you can. I know all about the lawsuit against ExxonMobile. This is about climate activists trying to hit up an oil company for money. ItтАЩs law fare and propaganda. If you want to read a good analysis of what is going on there go to the blog called The Manhattan Contrarian and there you will also find links to a number of good sites that discuss all of the issues relating to climate. The best recent summary of the science is Professor Steve KooninтАЩs book Unsettled: what Climate Science Tells Us, What it DoesnтАЩt, and why it Matters. Do not rely on know nothing ideological journalists such as those at the BBC.

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feldspar's avatar

Oh, ya---one last bit of housekeeping: Steve "Kook"ing. Kooning is a world-class kook (we already know this) as well as an unsteady disseminator of bad, dissembling faux-science. Verdict: production is so preposterous, can't even be considered a true propagandist.

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feldspar's avatar

By the way, Max, there was no mention of an ExxonMobil lawsuit in my initial post to you. A entirely separate issue from the one under discussion, though unquestionably both are inextricably linked if the subject is Big Oil Perfidy. Lawfare and propaganda indeed.

We were discussing the fact that Big Oil's own scientists and executives were well aware, dating back to the late 1960's, that the burning of their hydrocarbon products by their fellow man was throwing dangerous levels of CO2 into the atmosphere and thus contributing to the warming of the planet to dangerous levels (0.2C every decade).

And I'm happy to report to you that there is an abundance of innuendo-free material readily and freely accessible on the internet and elsewhere, that accurately and thoroughly examines this, not only through innuendo-free documents, but actual primary documents from the hands of the Boys and Girls of Big Oil themselves! Eureka! Primary documents compiled by Big Oil's own scientists and executives that show Big Oil's own scientists and executives knew that they were contributing to global warming and were throwing dangerous levels of CO2 into the atmosphere because their own research demonstrated it!

And I must apologize for sending you that tawdry BBC link. I confess that is was both gauche and boorish of me. But speaking of propaganda and oil, your boy Francis Menton down there in the West Village is certainly busy burning his own midnight oil, Manhattan contrary-wise at any rate. Francis allows that while the Village is still a hip and cool place to hang one's hat these days, it from time to time causes him to suffer "from a stifling political and ideological orthodoxy," which I imagine is his way of saying that it's somewhat disruptive to the efficient functioning of his own propaganda mill. Francis should get that condition checked out straightaway by a Political Scientist, one specializing in Diseases of Orthodoxy.

And just who is underwriting your sinecure over there at the spectator, as you compile your choice propaganda bits, I like to imagine, from a lawn chair in R. Emmett Jr.'s backyard? Scaife? Bradley? Koch? I bet it's that bastard Charlie Koch! You know, Max, the word on the street is that Charlie's grown soft and sentimental in his dotage. Balderdash! Nonsense I say! Charlie's still a guy that could and most assuredly would be willing to bite the head off of an endangered species of rattlesnake---dead or alive---for five bucks and a beer. The three of them strike me as the type to deploy a fellow septuagenarian for such a project. It's how they roll.

To make amends for the BBC gaffe, below you'll find both an excerpt and a link that provide an exciting scientific account of Big Oil Perfidy, featuring innuendo-free primary documents from the hands of the Big Oil boys and girls themselves. Enjoy.

Huzzah!

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

"...In 2015, investigative journalists discovered internal company memos indicating that Exxon oil company has known since the late 1970s that its fossil fuel products could lead to global warming with тАЬdramatic environmental effects before the year 2050.тАЭ Additional documents then emerged showing that the US oil and gas industryтАЩs largest trade association had likewise known since at least the 1950s, as had the coal industry since at least the 1960s, and electric utilities, Total oil company, and GM and Ford motor companies since at least the 1970s."

"Scholars and journalists have analyzed the texts contained in these documents, providing qualitative accounts of fossil fuel interestsтАЩ knowledge of climate science and its implications. In 2017, for instance, we demonstrated that ExxonтАЩs internal documents, as well as peer-reviewed studies published by Exxon and ExxonMobil Corp scientists, overwhelmingly acknowledged that climate change is real and human-caused. By contrast, the majority of Mobil and ExxonMobil CorpтАЩs public communications promoted doubt on the matter."

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feldspar's avatar

Funny. Please forward my regards to R. Emmett Jr. 50 years strong and still churnin' it out...

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