( I wroe above but applies to your comment, so i copied). as a senior executive i have to give at least one shout out for unions from my (management) perspective. that would be the unions that represent the trades. They offer apprenticeships training etc. they are easy to deal with. Is there BS/ yes. but there is always BS. Are they a bi…
( I wroe above but applies to your comment, so i copied). as a senior executive i have to give at least one shout out for unions from my (management) perspective. that would be the unions that represent the trades. They offer apprenticeships training etc. they are easy to deal with. Is there BS/ yes. but there is always BS. Are they a bit more expensive? Yes but I am willing to bet on the quality, productivity, and efficiency advantage. The only job actions i ever saw was when some a hole was trying to work around them. They created value and delivered value and it was a good relationship and the workers were compensate fairly.
Public unions on the other hand are a cancer and the majors like UAW lost their way a long time ago.
Fair comments. With exceptions, the trade unions do a much better job of what unions can do that is productive. They’re more expensive as you say, which is why I’m in favor of right to work states where government contracts can be awarded based on overall value. In our state (California) prevailing wage rules apply. For all intents and purposes that means union labor. Here’s how it works here: unions fund political campaigns, elected officials award those unions lucrative contracts that are multiples of non-union companies. Rinse and repeat. Look at the amount of money the teachers unions, the SEIU and the prison guards unions spend on elections. Your accurate comments notwithstanding, this is a corrupt practice that taxpayers foot the bill for.
Oh I agree with you. as my post said the public unions like SEIU are a cancer and should be dissolved yesterday. the trades generally do not play those games. (Not as familiar with CA but doing a huge job in LA right now with no problems.) the prevailing wage may hold in those cases but they arent job killers. these are skilled guys making middle class wages which is a good thing.
ITs one of my bitches about the executive suite. Saving money for the sake of saving money and not assessing value. One of my favorite sayings (and its mine TM) is "most of the major screw ups I have seen in business started with someone trying to save a little money."
That's so true - I couldn't agree more. In our area we have thousands of immigrants (yes, mostly illegal) who work in the trades. While not as skilled, they will work for a fraction of a union wage. I wouldn't want them doing my engineering work, but for things like drywall, masonry, painting, etc. they do fine work. Of course, if we had some control over immigration on our southern border, "prevailing wages" would just be "wages" and American workers would benefit overall. I'd be fine with paying the higher price in that case. But I guess the people in Washington like a steady flow of unskilled labor to serve as their maids and gardeners. I'm surprised the unions don't push back more against open borders.
one of the many reasons the unions lost their credibility. they threw the american laborer under the bus to please Washington. But look how much housing prices went down due to savings from immigrant labor......oh wait.
Hysterical! You made me laugh. The LA Times - hardly a right wing rag - reported last year that 7 low income apartment housing projects there are costing north of $1m/unit to build. And people wonder why housing is so expensive here.
( I wroe above but applies to your comment, so i copied). as a senior executive i have to give at least one shout out for unions from my (management) perspective. that would be the unions that represent the trades. They offer apprenticeships training etc. they are easy to deal with. Is there BS/ yes. but there is always BS. Are they a bit more expensive? Yes but I am willing to bet on the quality, productivity, and efficiency advantage. The only job actions i ever saw was when some a hole was trying to work around them. They created value and delivered value and it was a good relationship and the workers were compensate fairly.
Public unions on the other hand are a cancer and the majors like UAW lost their way a long time ago.
Fair comments. With exceptions, the trade unions do a much better job of what unions can do that is productive. They’re more expensive as you say, which is why I’m in favor of right to work states where government contracts can be awarded based on overall value. In our state (California) prevailing wage rules apply. For all intents and purposes that means union labor. Here’s how it works here: unions fund political campaigns, elected officials award those unions lucrative contracts that are multiples of non-union companies. Rinse and repeat. Look at the amount of money the teachers unions, the SEIU and the prison guards unions spend on elections. Your accurate comments notwithstanding, this is a corrupt practice that taxpayers foot the bill for.
Oh I agree with you. as my post said the public unions like SEIU are a cancer and should be dissolved yesterday. the trades generally do not play those games. (Not as familiar with CA but doing a huge job in LA right now with no problems.) the prevailing wage may hold in those cases but they arent job killers. these are skilled guys making middle class wages which is a good thing.
ITs one of my bitches about the executive suite. Saving money for the sake of saving money and not assessing value. One of my favorite sayings (and its mine TM) is "most of the major screw ups I have seen in business started with someone trying to save a little money."
That's so true - I couldn't agree more. In our area we have thousands of immigrants (yes, mostly illegal) who work in the trades. While not as skilled, they will work for a fraction of a union wage. I wouldn't want them doing my engineering work, but for things like drywall, masonry, painting, etc. they do fine work. Of course, if we had some control over immigration on our southern border, "prevailing wages" would just be "wages" and American workers would benefit overall. I'd be fine with paying the higher price in that case. But I guess the people in Washington like a steady flow of unskilled labor to serve as their maids and gardeners. I'm surprised the unions don't push back more against open borders.
one of the many reasons the unions lost their credibility. they threw the american laborer under the bus to please Washington. But look how much housing prices went down due to savings from immigrant labor......oh wait.
Hysterical! You made me laugh. The LA Times - hardly a right wing rag - reported last year that 7 low income apartment housing projects there are costing north of $1m/unit to build. And people wonder why housing is so expensive here.