Here's the problem and I live in Michigan, raised my children near here and my parents grew up even closer: Muslims ARE making segregated civilizations and they do not have American values. They are not here to become Americans. Other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies--they like the idea of being an American. Their place of origin is secondary. If we allow this all over America, we will be sorry. It's the elephant in the room you are not discussing.
The Strange Death of Europe is an 80 year history that created Europe current illegal immigration from the southern hemisphere, and its current overpopulation of Muslims who don’t want to be European, but rather to overpower the land and its people. America ignores it to our own peril.
Worst of all, Donald Trump as US President (though perhaps only slightly worse than Kamala Harris, a comparison I hope never to have to actually make🤯)
It is not a religion to be protected at all by the 1st Amendment. It is like saying that the practice of Communism is protected by the First Amendment. Sure you ca. "preach it" but institute it? Sorry, that is a war crime.
Not among the theologies the Founders wished to protect by the 1st Amendment.
Arrest,, detain, cuff and shackle. Then send to Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq.
Uh, not knowing the Founder's inner thoughts, all that we have are the Declaration, the Constitutions and the Bill of Rights to go by. In our founding documents I don't see any specific mention of Islam whatsoever.
"Arrest,, detain, cuff and shackle." That must've felt real good to type in the privacy of your barcalounger, but, just how do you propose to do that? What about American citizens of your detested confession?
(I support Trump's original "Muslim ban." But, we've got what we've got and ICE ain't gonna fix it to your satisfaction.)
You don’t see the meaning of “keep and bear arms” in the constitution either. Nor many other things like what is “religion”, nor what constitutes a faith concept that is deserving of social protection. Recall that the US sent its fledgling Navy to destroy the muzzie Barbary pirates off the N. African coast. They were not Western in any sense of that word and anyone can fairly understand, unless you are stupid, that muzzie beliefs were not Western.
"Other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies"? Of course they do. For some it is based on religious belief and it is protected by the Constitution. No to mention the white nationalism plainly demonstrated here.
Perhaps, sure like the Amish, or the ultra Orthodox Jews for example, however those groups don’t use violence and intimidation, don’t proselytize, don’t enforce their rules on others, and generally just want to be left alone. So, not a legitimate parallel.
Blasting a call to prayer on loudspeakers 5 times a day in a christian country is not assimilation. A please, read the Quaran- their goal is to kill all non-Muslims.
2) AIPAC (Zionists in case you aren't aware) controls Congress and major US university's policy vis a vis Israel.
3) The Ellisons, father (currently 2nd wealthiest multibillionaire in the world) and son, control major news (CBS whose news division is now headed by Zionist podcaster Bari Weiss) and entertainment media (Paramount) that promote Israeli state interests to the US public.
If zionists control all the universities, why do they allow such wide -spread pro-Palestinian movement among students and harassment of Jewish students? You are lost, but I guess you are not concerned with making sense. Too much hatred affects brain function.
You cite Wikipedia as "authority"? Fool as well as an asshat you are.
AIPAC "controls Congress"? Jayzuz, you are truly an idiot. And a raging antisemite.
Ellison - who built Oracle controls the media? His son is also Jewish so he controls the media and he hired Weiss so she, a Jew and a defender of Israeli right to exist control the media?
You are a pathetic Jew hater. I suspect Soros's checks to you are mighty fine. We can expect to see you turn up in her Epstein files!
Islam is state religion in traditionally majority Muslim countries. The US is traditionally Christian majority, and it shows in our culture, but presumably not in our politics, since as you say, "We are founded upon the opposite premise, that the state keep its nose out of religion." How is that working out?
It,s not working out (does it ever, really?) and I don,t like it at all - tho I put it the way I did on purpose. I see religion interfering with government rather than the other way around.
Right. They are planning terrorist attacks on Ferndale in Michigan. No big deal, though. Planned to kill gay people. All fine with you. It's going to be a huge problem eventually. It's not the same.
Given the amazing amount of purely ad hominem vitriol here, I think I have struck a lot of raw exposed nerves that feed untenable mindsets. Name calling is the last resort of the indefensible. Have fun wasting your time.
Absolute false equivalence. What other religion in America is built on Fascist theocratic dogma that indicates the death penalty for drawing a picture of their God.
Friend. Fascist has a very specific definition. Our friends on the Left have bawdlerized it to mean anything that they don't like, but we needn't follow their bad habits. Not all muslims are islamists, but all islamists (ie. Salafis) are totalitarians who are creating their own hellish mixture flirting with postmodernism. Future generations, if they can remember, will condemn illiberal impulses as "Salafist" or "Islamist," they are that much worse.
There are few religions that do not proselytize or do not wish to enforce their rules on others. But the subject I'm addressing is "other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies". "Other minorities" includes pretty much everybody with a belief system--i.e., pretty much everybody. White Christian Nationalism, a fascist theocratic dogma, has within living memory committed extreme violence and murder. It's quite a bit harder to get away with here nowadays, and if there are US Muslims who would like to do the same, they would have the same problem, as would any extremist group. Of course government goon squads are now the most threatening fascist element, since they can pretend, thus far, to operate under the guise of law.
Yep, well, Texas thinks they are tied to terrorists there and that they are breaking zoning laws as well. In Michigan, if you go to a town meeting and complain about them doing something and you are not a Muslim, they tell you to get out--you are not wanted there. You do not know what you are talking about.
By the way, dummy, read Chris Rufo's Substack article from yesterday. He discloses that the "Somali community" of Minnesota has fraudulently been thieving government funds from the asshat and stupid (like you) lefties who are MN government (you know, the gay, jazz hands douche bag Governor).
Rufo explains: "As one confidential source put it: 'The largest funder of Al-Shabaab is the Minnesota taxpayer.'"
You may hate the Muzzies (you embrace them) but you do not hate them enough. We should examine the basis for each and every supposed Somali immigrant to MN. Probably, like Ilhan Omar, lots of dubious claims they made in support of entry. These are the folks who Bubba Clinton tried to suppress in situ but who shot down and killed American soldiers ("Blackhawk Down", watch it for a view of these disgusting savages; or Captain Phillips for a view of the savage Somali pirates). Why did we permit these thugs into America so they can create their own little Mogadishu and other warlord enclaves in MN?
And it is probably time to torch the "Farmer Labor Party" of MN. Their time is way past use by date.
We live just west of Omar's district, but the same county, where our property taxes are up nearly 50% in the last five years. The largest single county budget item is human services, and now we are learning that millions of our property tax dollars are being stolen by Omar's constituents, from and in Somalia. In a sane world there would be hell to pay, but in the leftist clown world better known as Minnesota, Walz, AG Ellison and Omar will cry racism and local media will cover all necessary asses.
No, nobody sets up "exclusionary societies" at all. Quite a few Irish would live in one place, or Jews, but they were often all mixed in together. The difference is Muslims do not want to be Americans and the rest did. They make that abundantly clear.
Dude, you post some fairly stupid shit. Then I checked your Substack reading list - in addition to Rackett you have a gaggle of idiot leftist shit. And it seems you just come here to Rackett to whine. BTW, I'm surprised you are not subscribed to Heather Cocks Richardson. She's right up your alley.
Exactly what is White Nationalism? I have never seen any indication of it. Perhaps a description would help. Additionally, hoe does it differ from non-white nationalism?
When it is the air you breathe, you take it for granted as the natural order of things (endemic).
"White Supremacy" has become a phrase too toxic to use now since it evokes lynchings and the like, so it's been refashioned as "White Nationalism" to make it sell better in the media, but it remains the same thing. Both terms were actually coined by liberals to describe cultures which "say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost in these countries. Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race." From Wikipedia (ugh) but in this case it sounds pretty accurate. You may object to the unwelcome categorization of "white nationalism" since it originates from liberals, but I would challenge you to disagree with anything in the definition quoted above.
One aspect of "natural order" is constant change, but the rate of change is not constant and when it increases so rapidly within one's own lifetime, it threatens entire cultures, especially when one's awareness of it is ever-present in a technology you can carry in your pocket or wear on your wrist. The algorithms want your attention, and they get it by feeding your worst fears.
These are common threads of thought that stream through our populace, but adding nationalist to a white person’s skin color does not describe her any better. What we often forget in grouping people with descriptors is the we all have different ways of thinking about how one’s skin color has affected his thoughts about others, and whether those thoughts have created a better or worse character, or whether the character is unaffected at all due to experience, parenting, education, classmates, friends, church, etc. I also think our history through the Jim Crow era has created a great misunderstanding in what skin color really denotes.
I'm quite certain that if one holds white nationalist beliefs (as previously described) it is logical to say one is a white nationalist, regardless of unique individual experience or character.
Of course, such race-based belief systems can and are held by some individuals of other races.
I think you misunderstood that I was speaking of people who did not embrace white nationalism, thus it was a foreign concept. Of course I apply this to all races, and the many epithets that are determined to be applicable because of skin color.
No matter what this guy says up there, Muslims are NOT behaving like other immigrants who came here. I see it first hand. China Town, even though a lot of them live there, they welcome everyone to come to their restaurants. They don't have their own laws, and they are not exclusionary. Irish and Jews lived together a lot in New York and other places, but again, they came to be Americans and embrace our values. Muslims do NOT embrace our values. It's different. Mexicans come here to be Americans and are family, religious people. Chinese expatriates like Epoch Times, specifically came here for our values and are constantly warning us about going down these roads. Europe is a disaster. Trump seems to be pretty chummy with Quatar (sp). And Saudi Arabia. Which is fine, but he's allowing them to put facilities of some kind here. I'm not for that. The big clue here and what Abbot is fighting is this Sharia Law and they are imposing that and ignoring our laws, I imagine especially where it concerns discrimination against women. But this is concerning. Also, America DID have a "culture" despite being a melting pot, and these people are changing it. We have a right to our culture just like other places. We are supposed to just give that up. And the left wants to change America fundamentally into this warring identity nightmare and clashing cultures. Worrisome.
Rather than criticizing the populace of an city or state, it is necessary to state what is wanted in immigrants to America. I want it to be obvious that all people that make a home here have chosen to be American because they love the land, the culture, the values, and most of the people. Otherwise, their reasons are suspect. I also believe it is our nation’s responsibility to indoctrinate those who will possibly apply for legal status. We can’t the immigrants for what is our responsibility. Regarding Muslims, we only need to study Europe over the decades.
It's America. The First Amendment protects burning the US flag - and burning the Koran. It protects slapping inanimate objects with bacon. It protects all sorts of tasteless expressions. If it can enable the disastrous proliferation of Internet porn, it's a complete lack of perspective to call what Lang did "disruptive" or "Westboro" behavior - unless you have been co-opted by the belief that offending Muslims is an impermissible exception to all other permitted offenses.
Muslims come in all shapes and sizes, to say an extremely diverse population of 1 billion is incompatible with Western Civilisation despite being a part of “the west” for centuries, is, well, a reflection of the intelligence and education levels of this much vaunted civilisation in today’s world.
As for Sharia law, it’s not good, but pray do tell me where in the West the existing laws of the land are actually being superseded. Not in individual practice that is a violation of the law, not in people’s heads, but actually in black and white on paper. Until then, this is just a hysterical straw man argument from people who’d like to think their racist asses are actually enlightened.
How so? Spain is an example, Muslims were in France, most of Europe for that matter dating back centuries. We’ve had Muslim immigrants in the U.S. dating back over 100 years ago.
UK Government Advertises for a Shariah Law Administrator
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M Dowling -
July 27, 2025
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The UK’s Labour Government website advertised for a “Shariah Law Administrator.”
The job advertisement was shared by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) as a company called Manchester Community Centre seeks a legal assistant with a specialist knowledge of sharia law to help the area’s Muslim population.
No, I do live in NYC. The laws of the NYC and NY state are the same as they always have been. Unless your barometer for "Shariah Law" is the mere existence of Muslims and them getting elected to political positions. Which, it pretty much seems is the case.
As for the Shariah Law Administrator, a job posting shared by the government but for a private sector company or NGO is not evidence that British law has been replaced by Shariah law. But good try there.
But, while shopping in Central Denver I encounter the cock-of-the-walk Muslim man glaring at me, humble hippie, his hijab clad wife, unwilling to meet my sympathetic eye, following the stereotypical three steps behind with three kids I am taken a bit aback. When, in line at the checkstand behind that, or another similar situation (this is not a one-off, it's earned bona fide cliche status for my formerly progressive self), it also has become routine to see watch the clerk separate the EBT eligible items from cash.
I have had several friendships with muslim people, particularly in professional situations (Earth Sciences). But, my lived experience has been creepy.
I have personally found my own lived experience reliable. Mine is similar to yours, different place.
I remember driving across the Calvert St Bridge in NW Washington DC, many years ago on a blistering summer day. I was stopped at the light long enough to absorb the memory of a comfortably round brown man in shorts, loose shirt, and flip flops, yep, 3 steps ahead of a hugely pregnant woman swathed in black, pushing a stoller with one hand, holding a small child,s hand in the other, 2 more hanging on to her skirts. He never even looked back.
I lived near one of the handful of military reception centers for Biden's Afghans. They have replaced the mostly elderly blacks in the area's public housing who complained loudly enough to get themselves moved into smaller repurposed neighborhood housing.
Big difference between legal Sharia-which isn’t happening, and liberal/D Muslim sympathizers turning a blind eye to Islamic violations of the 1A/American tradition of religious acceptance.
There's a difference between people and ideologies.
Islam isn't just Christianity or Buddhism spelled differently. It isn't defined by the temporary preferences of some representative you may meet, but by the unchanging holy writ, history, and its Perfect Man, Mohammad.
Anything Mohammad did or said is perfect and is to be imitated, and should they contradict things he said and did later outweigh those done earlier. It is permissible to wait until the time is right before performing one or another act in reverence for the Prophet, the book and the example of the early Conquest are irrevocable and not open to interpretation.
"There is no moderate Islam or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam" -- Recip Edrogan.
I agree, SH. The commentators who believe Sharia law is being practiced should learn the US laws. Our laws say that no other laws can supersede them. Period. The 10 Commandments say, "Thou shalt not steal." So, are stealing laws Christian laws? I live 15 miles from
Dearborn. It is disheartening to see the occasional ISIS flag in Muslim neighborhoods. That being said, I take the Reagan approach in my association with Muslims, Trust but verify. Most Muslims in Dearborn are immigrants or children of immigrants, as opposed to Europe, where most are refugees. Europe has problems because it lets undesirables reach critical mass. We don't need to march in Dearborn. What did it solve? Just wear your cross or flag pin when visiting. Great Shawarma.
Dearborn leadership should be willing to explain where their beliefs conflict with the US Constitution and what side they fall on if such a conflict occurs. Disingenuous political leadership is the path to autocracy.
Why just "Dearborn leadership"? Lots of people have had issues with the US Constitution, which was not intended to be an unchanging document. When someone has a problem, and enough people agree, then the Constitution is amended. It has happened 27 times so far and is due for further upgrades.
People for whom the sight of “the occasional ISIS flag” is disheartening make me immensely grateful for people who are willing to wave porky pride in the face of extremists.
Western Christian civilization is what is meant, I assume, though that can be argued. Islam is not compatible with any civilization founded upon Western Christianity. Europe's deification of the secular has destroyed Europe as the seat of
Western (Christian) civilization and left it with a meaningless vacuum, to be filled and replaced with the offspring of an extraordinarily fecund Islam.
Same script. If you don't see it happening it does not exist. So, you labelled others just a hysterical racist. Conspiracy theorists are batting 100% SH. What are you going to do when three years from now the NYC laws (in practice) are not so familiar to you anymore.
I disagree. What Lang did was disruptive and corrupts any legitimate complaints against the Islamization of the country. Now the rhetoric will be that anyone who says that there are concerning aspects of Islam is like Lang. He will be the comparison now and it is disappointing because there are legitimate criticisms of Islam and its compatibility with Western values. I do however agree with you that Lang had every right to do everything he did, but I also think it is important to criticize that kind of behavior because it is, in my opinion, the worst way to voice your criticisms and concerns about Islam’s compatibility with Western society.
Nope. Lang can be the inspiration for people to come out and do better in expressing their complaint against the Islamification of America. There's nothing here that says "oh now because Lang acted the way he did, the matter is just hopeless and no one can be effective in expressing concerns about Islam". That's retarded. People need to do what Lang did, only much better, and hopefully they will. Stop crying.
In what way am I crying? Your rhetoric is the same childish rhetoric of Lang which I am criticizing. Do you really think talking shit in the way you do will convince people that you are taking a logical approach to talk calmly about modern issues? Or are you actually just doing the same thing as people you complain about, whining like a child who can’t use their words to properly express their feelings?
"In what way am I crying?" - In this way: You are worrying more about how a certain type of person will view what Lang did and how that type of person will think of Islam in America in light of what Lang did INSTEAD of worrying more about what Islam in America is actually doing that prompted Lang in the first place and expressing that worry to that certain type of person. In other words, you are instantiating the Norm Macdonald joke about ISIS.
We are at the point where being overly concerned about that type of person has actually played a role in creating the situation we are in, which is far worse and more concerning than anything Lang did.
You’re misunderstanding me. I am critical of the rise of Islam in America and think that it is incompatible with Western values. I was just saying Lang takes it too far, to a childish place where you’re never going to win people from the other side over.
Alright, fair enough. I do think Lang was over-the-top and definitely imperfect as well when considering everything he did, which counts as being critical of his method, but not his overall message. If the people I have been imagining that you are afraid of offending or not convincing can't keep that distinction straight and can't properly evaluate the incompatibility you rightly note here, then I feel like they don't deserve the type of consideration ultimately, either. In other words, if the incompatibly and the urgent need to do something about it is in someone's mind somehow overshadowed by Lang and this incident, then there isn't much that can or should be hoped for in way of rational persuasion in any case and we needn't bother worry about such people to begin with. They are lost and no amount of sensitivity or the expression of it will help them see.
Guess what-the 1A is the 1A. Piss Christ or a Koran Bacon Burger-they are both protected and if political authorities are unwilling to tell religious fundamentalists to stuff it, they are unworthy of holding their office.
Flag, Bible, Koran-burn baby burn-it’s protected-whether you like it or not. I trust and respect Antonin Scalia a lot more than Imam Goatmolester or Rev. Snakehandler.
I hope he is taken seriously. The US downfall will come from within and too many of our citizens have been conditions to think with their 'feelings' and they have been told what those feelings should be.
However, the protests will generate the predictable response that Muslims are oppressed and looked down on so loving communities will support their Muslims neighbors regardless. White people hate those that are not 'like" them.
Well I’m not really sure which way you’re going with your comment. My point was there won’t be a huge uproar but I don’t disagree with him. But your last sentence thru me
I want the locals to believe Lang's words had truth behind them.
I also know the locals have been conditioned (usually through bouts of shaming or ostracizing) to believe people like Lang are racists or haters, so they will just ignore his words and probably apologize to their Muslim neighbors.
I agree with Pscheff that it is not clear which way you were going there Shelley, but whatever way it was, I don't care if you are or are not a "white people" yourself, but you do not speak for me nor, for that matter, for any of the rest of us. So don't go telling us what we hate, etc.
That said, your comment made the mistake of introducing skin color into a discussion of the likelihood that Muslim, a religion, is surreptitiously engaged in a plan to destroy the United States (even if many of the Muslims so engaged are blissfully unaware of their masters' plans). That was an error because Muslims come in every color under the Sun (except maybe for the red-skinned American Indians--they may be immune, but I speculate here).
In any case, the Muslim conquest of the planet is not a racial undertaking. All are welcome, or die!
Just because it’s allowed does not mean it can’t be called distasteful or even condemned. The First Amendment protects you against persecution and nothing else. And yet First Amendment blowhards stay whinging any time they hear the slightest criticism of abhorrent uses of this protected right.
So... is he getting persecuted for this? Then argue that. What point are you trying to make exactly? What violation of his First Amendment rights are going on here? As I read it, you took umbrage with his actions being labelled a certain way in the article and then brought up the First Amendment. It's a big jump but perhaps I missed something here.
And no, I have no obligation to use my full name here, just as you apparently have no obligation to make a cogent argument.
Why do the citizens expect the government to do inappropriate dirty work? Anyone who presents himself as a fan of small government had better accept some personal responsibility.
But I'm mature enough to recognize that Lang's antics do NOTHIN to raise white consciousness or mobilize support. Instead he reinforces the muslim self myth of persecution and victimhood. Net loss for our side. Period.
Spoofing the gubernatorial candidate's bus was a funny stunt, but, almost certainly beneficial to the Democrat party objectively.
Lang is NOT Tommy Robinson - a bona fide hero and leader.
In my eyes he looks like an agent provocateur. A false flag.
Uk is being conquered. Do we want that to happen here? I don't agree with that dude's tactics, but I understand the sentiment.
- The mayor of Rotherham is Muslim
-The mayor of London is Muslim
- The mayor of Birmingham is a Muslim
- The mayor of Leeds is Muslim
- The mayor of Blackburn is Muslim
- The mayor of Sheffield is Muslim
-The mayor of Oxford is a Muslim
- The mayor of Luton is a Muslim
-The mayor of Oldham is a Muslim
- The mayor of Rochdale is a Muslim
This is not immigration, it's an invasion by 7th century ideological marauders....and murderers...
You are sadly mistaken if you don't think that can happen here.
Obama imported 70k Somalian immigrants into Minnesota where they all settled in the 5th district.
The district has been identified by the FBI as the capital of terrorist recruitment in the US. It just so happens that Ilhan Omar represents that district and has called for the dissolution of Homeland Security...which i agree with...but i don't think they have the same reason for wanting that.
and those Somali's went on to commit Medicare fraud claiming their children are Autistic so they can send that money back to Somalia to fund Terrorism. At least 10m dollars last year we aren't talking about pocket change. People need to realize that many immigrants just see America as an economic zone to exploit, not a country that they identify as a part of.
"People need to realize that many immigrants just see America as an economic zone to exploit, not a country that they identify as a part of."
And THAT is the crux of the problem. My grandparents emigrated from Italy to NYC in the late 1800s, and my mother recalls her parents forbidding her from speaking Italian in the home. The goal was to Americanize and blend in during a time when Italians were not especially welcome by the "native" Irish, Germans and Poles in Brooklyn. Also, their pride prevented them from accepting hand-outs! How times have changed...
Unfortunately Ryan, I think things will have to get as bad as they are already in the UK, France, Germany, Holland, Sweden etc. before Americans realize the astounding pace of demographic change.
Like Tacitus said: “They make a desert and call it peace.”
They sow disunity disguised as compassion. They partition and call it progress. They destroy our culture by a thousand cuts so that the populace doesn't even recognize the decline as a slow and painful death...
....and then it happens all at once when a society forgets their first principles and lose the will to defend who they are.
That is the story of Europe. Coming to a theater near you....
Didn’t the English empire basically annex many Muslim majority countries in its imperial heyday?? The result is plenty of two way traffic between the UK and its colonies.
I'm very moderate about most things. About this, I am NOT.
Islamists want to eradicate every other religion, period.
They say it all the time.
Look at the countries they turned into theocracies. As a loudmouthed female, I don't want Muslims anywhere near me unless they can assimilate to OUR way of doing things.
This is nonnegotiable.
Do you think they wouldn't burn a bible or a Torah? Remember them blowing up ancient Buddhas?
How come they are permitted every freedom to say anything about anyone.....but if someone responds in kind, they are shamed.
If Muslims want to live here, they must do it as westernized Muslims.
All sorts of people specifically come out and riot burning bibles and American flags and you guys will opine on free speech and talk about constitutional principles but this Lang guy can get assaulted on camera and the whole story is "Look at this mean man saying mean things"
No amount of propaganda is going to convince actual Americans that a city in the middle of Michigan with 70% Arab population is normal or sustainable so lets just not talk about any of that at all and look at that mean guy over there.
Same reason Racket avoids anything Israel related like the plague, because you know your actual positions are completely indefensible to someone who actually puts America First
This type of activism (burning bibles, cynical satanist celebrations etc) has worked for the left in the past by baiting Christians into bad behavior.
I have my doubts that this strategy will be effective from the right because the logic repressive tolerance goes deep in the justice system, especially in strongholds like Dearborn where the police can refuse to do anything about violence in response to speech.
It's not the "logic repressive tolerance" or any such silly construction. It's because he's an obvious grifter, a poseur, a provocateur and a freaking phoney. He doesn't represent us.
We have real concerns about Islam, but we are not interested in offending anybody. We just want them to act like Americans.
How can waving bacon around inspire them to act like Americans? He WANTS them to be the worst that they can be because that gets him the attention that he wants.
Uh yeah he's a provocateur that's why I compared him to cynical satanist leftists baiting Christians. They were pretty successful at that strategy. But acting like leftists won't work for the right because our position is not cynical at its core. You end up looking like a moron and they will laugh at you after physically attacking you without consequence.
Then move to Dearborn and dilute the population! What is your solution to natural flows of migration and settlement? That the country dictate who gets to live where based on their religion and the colour of their skin? Yeah that doesn’t sound problematic and authoritarian at all…
Yeah show me where the 70% white populations are in Africa and the Middle East. The one country in Africa that was majority white was sanctioned to death by the west for crime of declaring independence from the UK
The idea that the millions and millions of immigrants pouring illegally into the country while the elites make sure they import as many "refugees" as possible to undercut the blue collar American worker is at all natural is asinine
That'd be great IF they moved there independently. However, the Obama administration and the Biden administration dropped them off there by the plane load. Instant Muslim majority city
This is dead wrong Dearborn has had a growing Muslim population since the 70’s . ( Primarily because of the truly racist Mayor prior to that time did everything in his power to stop blacks from moving from Det to Dearborn.. look up Orville Hubbard) First in East Dearborn and as time has passed it has become “the place to live” if you come to US and are Muslim. The difference in the last 2 decades is the complete ending of any real assimilation of the population.
I've never heard of this. I know in other countries they give priority to immigration if you choose to live in certain parts of the country, but that's usually to fill certain needs and maybe also to spread out the population although that's never explicitly stated. If you have any literature on this specific policy, I would love to read it.
Muslims in America do far worse things to jews and other Americans in general. Why is this even a story? IMO, pushback against radical Islam needs to be harder and more often.
I recommend looking at the videos produced by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute). They translate what is actually being preached in mosques all across the U.S. and the rest of the world. They are not hiding their intentions. Islam is a religion of conquest. One can convert, submit and pay the protection tax—jizya—or be killed. Nothing has changed in 1400 years of their conquest and colonization. They are playing the long game and are doing quite well for themselves.
“ Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every strategy of war.” Koran 9:5
Yeah, yeah. Lang is coarse, what else is new? But what of Ford Fischer's finger-wagging at Lang's casual use of the "n-bomb"? The word is protected speech. Check out a Dave Chappelle routine if you don't believe me.
We don't have a K-bomb for Jews, an M-bomb for Irish, a G-bomb for Italians or an S-bomb for Puerto Ricans. So how long are we supposed to be so supportive of any and all sensitive fellow Americans that we are ashamed to say the n-word, even if we don't want to say it? We all need to get over ourselves. There is nothing inherently weaker about black-skinned people than any others. And treating them as if they were is to do them a disservice. It's racist! The compensation has become a pathology and it's not doing us any good, no matter what shade of skin one has.
That's the price of living in a pluralistic society.
Islam is a particular problem because the established faith does not recognize pluralism.
Thing is, I'll bet American money that not a single commenter here has ever spoken to a muslim about this.
We rant, among "us," expecting "them" to conform, but never actually talk about it.
That's how we got here.
(But, yeah, they have an obvious problem with being pluralistic, our minimum demand. This needs to be addressed how ever million times as there are muslims in America.)
I am not sure how you got that reply from my post, but I surely welcome it just the same. Thank you.
I just came across a reel on Facebook where a pianist previews his first composition. He is accompanied by a young woman, a girl really, who sings the ethereal melody like an angel. I sent it out to people I know on that site.
The music, the singing: ineffable, heavenly, but just the same bound up in messy, organic, earthly life. In the West we celebrate this magical union--one need look no further but can if one so chooses. In the East they understand the same thing. Somehow the Muslim world is lost between the two, unable to accept the gift of beauty that came from whatever it is that makes the magic of existence possible, lost in the unbearable lightness of being, per Kundera.
And I agree, though I have no Muslim friends, that we don't seem to bring this up with them. My sense of it is that the Koran proscribes what you call pluralism. Indeed, they can barely tolerate Woman. She's a bridge too far. How could they ever get on with Infidels?
I don't know if there is a way out. I'm still trying.
Sadly, to date, serious conversations with educated muslims always wind up with a tirade about the Joos. (Even sadder, same thing with Europeans. Second bottle of wine, lecture about the Joos.)
Thing is, I believe that we need to seriously refine our argument. The traditional religious animus is no longer an adequate immune reaction. But, we do need to protect ourselves culturally and civilizationally from the infection.
(Our kids wearing keffiyehs and chanting propaganda is a logical first place to start. Before we confront muslims we must confront our own people.)
That is because NIGERIANS who converted to Christianity are being murdered by Islamists. They did not "take over" They found a different calling. Not allowed by Muslims.
Right now there are towns in Texas in which storekeepers are being threatened by Moslems to no longer carry pork and other products they consider 'dirty' or whatever.
Nobody is going to tell me what I can and cannot eat. Period.
They also don't like dogs and in other countries have been known to kill them.
Maybe there are still a few 'moderate' ones out there, but I doubt it. I used to work with an Indonesian woman who wore the full kit sans face covering. At one point, she gave a co-worker all of her indonesian art and cultural artefacts because the Imam at her mosque told the congregation to destroy all things that were not 'Islamic'. The co-worker told me about how she had known this woman for years and they used to be close before the mosque got a bunch of imported radical Imams. The woman used to dress in western clothes and didn't cover up before that time. She apparently also had a dog she had to give away. Personally, I'd rather have the dog and the family heirlooms, but then I am not that worried about where some asshole tells me I'm going when I'm dead.
Islam is a cult, its books and writings abound with far more violence than even Christianity and the true believers are instructed by those books that it is OK to lie, cheat and kill to become the dominiant culture (how colonialist of them). If it were to end tomorrow, noone would miss it.
I'll grant you that some of this demonstration was obscene. But he is allowed to be like that if he wants and the Muslim community can complain and bring up some argument about being an oppressed minority, however disingenuous that may be.
Make no mistake, in a scenario where the Muslim contingent is the majority, neither Jake Lang nor any of the rest of us minorities in this scenario would be afforded any of the privileges and rights that minorities in America currently enjoy.
And that's the rub. You have a ideology that will happily bask in the kindness and outright suicidal empathy of another; and when they finally get a leg up, your face will be in the mud and you'll be given an ultimatum.
That certainly is what I have seen. Islam is an authoritarian, misogynistic, theocratic religion. "Fair" characterization of it should be realistic, not necessarily portraying Islam or its practitioners in a more favorable light than is factual.
It’s a shame it’s come to this, but more incidents like this will come. Islamists *are* trying to take over our society and troubled times are coming. All are welcome here as long as they enter legally and assimilate into our culture. I don’t believe we’ll allow the US to go the way of England and much of the rest of Europe.
You may be correct in that, when it comes down to it, we will not let it happen. But it is very clear that, based on the current vectors, when we finally do put the proverbial foot down, it will be too late to be nice about it. It will be a bloody mess with many of us split and taking up for the wrong side. Who comes out on top, even if it is US, will not be the same as who we were when we went in.
Actions at the extreme leave no one unscathed. Our Civil War is a case in point. There is also that any shedding of blood here opens the way to war, as in Russia's justifications in re the Donetsk, Turkey in Cyrpus, etc. And then there's that there is no winning with a nuclear armed Caliphate.
Better that we face this now long before we have to permanently eliminate our neighbors all over the land later. In Minneapolis, for instance, 75,000 Somalis should be sent back. Their arrival was not organic, but a setup by a bad faith player President. Everything they have stolen should clearly by reclaimed, including funds fraudulently gained and sent back to their mother land. But organic or not, at this point demanding oaths of loyalty and support for the way of life we offer would simply be reasonable and a first step in ensuring our survival.
It appears to me, based on the Democrats' recent campaign to get active U.S. military and National Guard to revolt against Trump, that they have taken a step closer towards a civil war. They probably believe that they are reacting to Trump's supposedly undemocratic behavior, and that they are Saving Our Democracy against his "authoritarianism" and "fascism."
Here's the problem and I live in Michigan, raised my children near here and my parents grew up even closer: Muslims ARE making segregated civilizations and they do not have American values. They are not here to become Americans. Other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies--they like the idea of being an American. Their place of origin is secondary. If we allow this all over America, we will be sorry. It's the elephant in the room you are not discussing.
The Strange Death of Europe being the best example.
I read While Europe Slept while I was in Highschool 20 years ago.
The Strange Fruits of colonialism. Unintended consequences. Externalities.
The Strange Death of Europe is an 80 year history that created Europe current illegal immigration from the southern hemisphere, and its current overpopulation of Muslims who don’t want to be European, but rather to overpower the land and its people. America ignores it to our own peril.
Unintended consequence is the first law of conservatism.
And the unintended consequences of conservatism?
Democrats
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Also Republicans
Worst of all, Donald Trump as US President (though perhaps only slightly worse than Kamala Harris, a comparison I hope never to have to actually make🤯)
It is not a religion to be protected at all by the 1st Amendment. It is like saying that the practice of Communism is protected by the First Amendment. Sure you ca. "preach it" but institute it? Sorry, that is a war crime.
Not among the theologies the Founders wished to protect by the 1st Amendment.
Arrest,, detain, cuff and shackle. Then send to Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq.
Uh, not knowing the Founder's inner thoughts, all that we have are the Declaration, the Constitutions and the Bill of Rights to go by. In our founding documents I don't see any specific mention of Islam whatsoever.
"Arrest,, detain, cuff and shackle." That must've felt real good to type in the privacy of your barcalounger, but, just how do you propose to do that? What about American citizens of your detested confession?
(I support Trump's original "Muslim ban." But, we've got what we've got and ICE ain't gonna fix it to your satisfaction.)
That's because they probably assumed correctly that Islam is not a religion, but a social system disguised as one.
It's both.
You don’t see the meaning of “keep and bear arms” in the constitution either. Nor many other things like what is “religion”, nor what constitutes a faith concept that is deserving of social protection. Recall that the US sent its fledgling Navy to destroy the muzzie Barbary pirates off the N. African coast. They were not Western in any sense of that word and anyone can fairly understand, unless you are stupid, that muzzie beliefs were not Western.
"...to the shores of Tripoli." Thus the Marines became leathernecks in an effort to retain their heads.
"Other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies"? Of course they do. For some it is based on religious belief and it is protected by the Constitution. No to mention the white nationalism plainly demonstrated here.
Perhaps, sure like the Amish, or the ultra Orthodox Jews for example, however those groups don’t use violence and intimidation, don’t proselytize, don’t enforce their rules on others, and generally just want to be left alone. So, not a legitimate parallel.
I really wish we had an explicit Constitutional right to be left alone, or to "privacy."
If only🤣
Zionists, white nationalists (didn't I mention them?).
Are US Muslims using violence and intimidation and enforcing their rules on others? Quite the opposite.
Blasting a call to prayer on loudspeakers 5 times a day in a christian country is not assimilation. A please, read the Quaran- their goal is to kill all non-Muslims.
WTF is a "white nationalist"? Why are you bothered by "Zionists", they don't seek to overtake the US.
You remain a stupid person.
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism
2) AIPAC (Zionists in case you aren't aware) controls Congress and major US university's policy vis a vis Israel.
3) The Ellisons, father (currently 2nd wealthiest multibillionaire in the world) and son, control major news (CBS whose news division is now headed by Zionist podcaster Bari Weiss) and entertainment media (Paramount) that promote Israeli state interests to the US public.
You remain a troll.
If zionists control all the universities, why do they allow such wide -spread pro-Palestinian movement among students and harassment of Jewish students? You are lost, but I guess you are not concerned with making sense. Too much hatred affects brain function.
You remain an asshat.
You cite Wikipedia as "authority"? Fool as well as an asshat you are.
AIPAC "controls Congress"? Jayzuz, you are truly an idiot. And a raging antisemite.
Ellison - who built Oracle controls the media? His son is also Jewish so he controls the media and he hired Weiss so she, a Jew and a defender of Israeli right to exist control the media?
You are a pathetic Jew hater. I suspect Soros's checks to you are mighty fine. We can expect to see you turn up in her Epstein files!
You are a Jew hating asshat.
Oh please.
islam is religion inseparable from state. We are founded upon the opposite premise, that the state keep its nose out of religion.
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Islam is state religion in traditionally majority Muslim countries. The US is traditionally Christian majority, and it shows in our culture, but presumably not in our politics, since as you say, "We are founded upon the opposite premise, that the state keep its nose out of religion." How is that working out?
It,s not working out (does it ever, really?) and I don,t like it at all - tho I put it the way I did on purpose. I see religion interfering with government rather than the other way around.
Neither has a damn thing to do with religion. israel is not a religious state. "White Nationalism" isn't a vehicle for the divine either.
Judaism is the state religion of Israel.
I’m staunchly pro-Israel Christian.
As I am, but Israel's government is secular nationalist. Yahweh no longer tells Israel what to do.
You are sounding like a bigot but perhaps I have it wrong?
Right. They are planning terrorist attacks on Ferndale in Michigan. No big deal, though. Planned to kill gay people. All fine with you. It's going to be a huge problem eventually. It's not the same.
Given the amazing amount of purely ad hominem vitriol here, I think I have struck a lot of raw exposed nerves that feed untenable mindsets. Name calling is the last resort of the indefensible. Have fun wasting your time.
Absolute false equivalence. What other religion in America is built on Fascist theocratic dogma that indicates the death penalty for drawing a picture of their God.
Friend. Fascist has a very specific definition. Our friends on the Left have bawdlerized it to mean anything that they don't like, but we needn't follow their bad habits. Not all muslims are islamists, but all islamists (ie. Salafis) are totalitarians who are creating their own hellish mixture flirting with postmodernism. Future generations, if they can remember, will condemn illiberal impulses as "Salafist" or "Islamist," they are that much worse.
There are few religions that do not proselytize or do not wish to enforce their rules on others. But the subject I'm addressing is "other minorities do not set up exclusionary societies". "Other minorities" includes pretty much everybody with a belief system--i.e., pretty much everybody. White Christian Nationalism, a fascist theocratic dogma, has within living memory committed extreme violence and murder. It's quite a bit harder to get away with here nowadays, and if there are US Muslims who would like to do the same, they would have the same problem, as would any extremist group. Of course government goon squads are now the most threatening fascist element, since they can pretend, thus far, to operate under the guise of law.
Lol. Koolaid tasty!
Yep, well, Texas thinks they are tied to terrorists there and that they are breaking zoning laws as well. In Michigan, if you go to a town meeting and complain about them doing something and you are not a Muslim, they tell you to get out--you are not wanted there. You do not know what you are talking about.
By the way, dummy, read Chris Rufo's Substack article from yesterday. He discloses that the "Somali community" of Minnesota has fraudulently been thieving government funds from the asshat and stupid (like you) lefties who are MN government (you know, the gay, jazz hands douche bag Governor).
Rufo explains: "As one confidential source put it: 'The largest funder of Al-Shabaab is the Minnesota taxpayer.'"
You may hate the Muzzies (you embrace them) but you do not hate them enough. We should examine the basis for each and every supposed Somali immigrant to MN. Probably, like Ilhan Omar, lots of dubious claims they made in support of entry. These are the folks who Bubba Clinton tried to suppress in situ but who shot down and killed American soldiers ("Blackhawk Down", watch it for a view of these disgusting savages; or Captain Phillips for a view of the savage Somali pirates). Why did we permit these thugs into America so they can create their own little Mogadishu and other warlord enclaves in MN?
And it is probably time to torch the "Farmer Labor Party" of MN. Their time is way past use by date.
We live just west of Omar's district, but the same county, where our property taxes are up nearly 50% in the last five years. The largest single county budget item is human services, and now we are learning that millions of our property tax dollars are being stolen by Omar's constituents, from and in Somalia. In a sane world there would be hell to pay, but in the leftist clown world better known as Minnesota, Walz, AG Ellison and Omar will cry racism and local media will cover all necessary asses.
I keep forgetting Ellison. A muzzie convert. That is just fookin’ crazy shit. Yet MN keeps voting the idiot in.
Move if you can.
No, nobody sets up "exclusionary societies" at all. Quite a few Irish would live in one place, or Jews, but they were often all mixed in together. The difference is Muslims do not want to be Americans and the rest did. They make that abundantly clear.
Plainly. I reckon you must've gone to college, son.
How's that career at Starbucks?
Missed by miles, kiddo.
Care to explicate the "White Nationalism" you see plainly demonstrated here?
That's very specific nomenclature. If you're not the barista recipient, you must then be the pedagogue.
He can't explain it. That term and others he repeats in comments is just a shibboleth for him and his fellow travelers. Idiots all.
Knights of Columbus.
But, yeah, they just want to be included in the American celebration from which they were long excluded.
We've entered a new era with Islam.
Dude, you post some fairly stupid shit. Then I checked your Substack reading list - in addition to Rackett you have a gaggle of idiot leftist shit. And it seems you just come here to Rackett to whine. BTW, I'm surprised you are not subscribed to Heather Cocks Richardson. She's right up your alley.
Exactly what is White Nationalism? I have never seen any indication of it. Perhaps a description would help. Additionally, hoe does it differ from non-white nationalism?
How come I never encounter this though it said to be endemic?
When it is the air you breathe, you take it for granted as the natural order of things (endemic).
"White Supremacy" has become a phrase too toxic to use now since it evokes lynchings and the like, so it's been refashioned as "White Nationalism" to make it sell better in the media, but it remains the same thing. Both terms were actually coined by liberals to describe cultures which "say they seek to ensure the survival of the white race and the cultures of historically white states. They hold that white people should maintain their majority in majority-white countries, maintain their political and economic dominance, and that their cultures should be foremost in these countries. Many white nationalists believe that miscegenation, multiculturalism, immigration of nonwhites and low birth rates among whites are threatening the white race." From Wikipedia (ugh) but in this case it sounds pretty accurate. You may object to the unwelcome categorization of "white nationalism" since it originates from liberals, but I would challenge you to disagree with anything in the definition quoted above.
One aspect of "natural order" is constant change, but the rate of change is not constant and when it increases so rapidly within one's own lifetime, it threatens entire cultures, especially when one's awareness of it is ever-present in a technology you can carry in your pocket or wear on your wrist. The algorithms want your attention, and they get it by feeding your worst fears.
These are common threads of thought that stream through our populace, but adding nationalist to a white person’s skin color does not describe her any better. What we often forget in grouping people with descriptors is the we all have different ways of thinking about how one’s skin color has affected his thoughts about others, and whether those thoughts have created a better or worse character, or whether the character is unaffected at all due to experience, parenting, education, classmates, friends, church, etc. I also think our history through the Jim Crow era has created a great misunderstanding in what skin color really denotes.
I'm quite certain that if one holds white nationalist beliefs (as previously described) it is logical to say one is a white nationalist, regardless of unique individual experience or character.
Of course, such race-based belief systems can and are held by some individuals of other races.
I think you misunderstood that I was speaking of people who did not embrace white nationalism, thus it was a foreign concept. Of course I apply this to all races, and the many epithets that are determined to be applicable because of skin color.
Beautifully expressed. This is my belief as well. But I would use separate as opposed to secondary.
They are already here.
No matter what this guy says up there, Muslims are NOT behaving like other immigrants who came here. I see it first hand. China Town, even though a lot of them live there, they welcome everyone to come to their restaurants. They don't have their own laws, and they are not exclusionary. Irish and Jews lived together a lot in New York and other places, but again, they came to be Americans and embrace our values. Muslims do NOT embrace our values. It's different. Mexicans come here to be Americans and are family, religious people. Chinese expatriates like Epoch Times, specifically came here for our values and are constantly warning us about going down these roads. Europe is a disaster. Trump seems to be pretty chummy with Quatar (sp). And Saudi Arabia. Which is fine, but he's allowing them to put facilities of some kind here. I'm not for that. The big clue here and what Abbot is fighting is this Sharia Law and they are imposing that and ignoring our laws, I imagine especially where it concerns discrimination against women. But this is concerning. Also, America DID have a "culture" despite being a melting pot, and these people are changing it. We have a right to our culture just like other places. We are supposed to just give that up. And the left wants to change America fundamentally into this warring identity nightmare and clashing cultures. Worrisome.
Rather than criticizing the populace of an city or state, it is necessary to state what is wanted in immigrants to America. I want it to be obvious that all people that make a home here have chosen to be American because they love the land, the culture, the values, and most of the people. Otherwise, their reasons are suspect. I also believe it is our nation’s responsibility to indoctrinate those who will possibly apply for legal status. We can’t the immigrants for what is our responsibility. Regarding Muslims, we only need to study Europe over the decades.
It,s not working out (does it ever, really?) and I don,t like it at all.
I'd probably lay the blame at religion sticking nose in the state
I’m n what way?
That elephant has left the zoo
It's America. The First Amendment protects burning the US flag - and burning the Koran. It protects slapping inanimate objects with bacon. It protects all sorts of tasteless expressions. If it can enable the disastrous proliferation of Internet porn, it's a complete lack of perspective to call what Lang did "disruptive" or "Westboro" behavior - unless you have been co-opted by the belief that offending Muslims is an impermissible exception to all other permitted offenses.
Muslims and Sharia law are not compatible with America and Western civilization.
Muslims come in all shapes and sizes, to say an extremely diverse population of 1 billion is incompatible with Western Civilisation despite being a part of “the west” for centuries, is, well, a reflection of the intelligence and education levels of this much vaunted civilisation in today’s world.
As for Sharia law, it’s not good, but pray do tell me where in the West the existing laws of the land are actually being superseded. Not in individual practice that is a violation of the law, not in people’s heads, but actually in black and white on paper. Until then, this is just a hysterical straw man argument from people who’d like to think their racist asses are actually enlightened.
"despite being a part of “the west” for centuries"
That is utterly stupid.
Yeah, Muslims have been "part of the West" in those areas they had been able to conquer with fire and sword. See Sea Sentry's earlier comment.
How so? Spain is an example, Muslims were in France, most of Europe for that matter dating back centuries. We’ve had Muslim immigrants in the U.S. dating back over 100 years ago.
They were forcibly ejected from France and Spain because they sought total control of Europe.
Yeah, 1300 years ago by my 37th great grandpa Charles Martel.
They were raiding for slaves, gold and silver. SOP for those times. No different, at THAT place and time than the freaking Vikings.
Yeah, Muslims have been "part of the West" in those areas they had been able to conquer with fire and sword. See Sea Sentry's earlier comment.
You're like a frog with water that's not quite boiling yet.
You must not live in NYC, Tennessee, Texas . . .
FYI - In the West:
UK Government Advertises for a Shariah Law Administrator
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M Dowling -
July 27, 2025
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The UK’s Labour Government website advertised for a “Shariah Law Administrator.”
The job advertisement was shared by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) as a company called Manchester Community Centre seeks a legal assistant with a specialist knowledge of sharia law to help the area’s Muslim population.
I'll pass the bit along. Thanks.
No, I do live in NYC. The laws of the NYC and NY state are the same as they always have been. Unless your barometer for "Shariah Law" is the mere existence of Muslims and them getting elected to political positions. Which, it pretty much seems is the case.
As for the Shariah Law Administrator, a job posting shared by the government but for a private sector company or NGO is not evidence that British law has been replaced by Shariah law. But good try there.
I want to agree with you.
Legally, textually you are right.
But, while shopping in Central Denver I encounter the cock-of-the-walk Muslim man glaring at me, humble hippie, his hijab clad wife, unwilling to meet my sympathetic eye, following the stereotypical three steps behind with three kids I am taken a bit aback. When, in line at the checkstand behind that, or another similar situation (this is not a one-off, it's earned bona fide cliche status for my formerly progressive self), it also has become routine to see watch the clerk separate the EBT eligible items from cash.
I have had several friendships with muslim people, particularly in professional situations (Earth Sciences). But, my lived experience has been creepy.
Anecdotal, but, yeah ...
I have personally found my own lived experience reliable. Mine is similar to yours, different place.
I remember driving across the Calvert St Bridge in NW Washington DC, many years ago on a blistering summer day. I was stopped at the light long enough to absorb the memory of a comfortably round brown man in shorts, loose shirt, and flip flops, yep, 3 steps ahead of a hugely pregnant woman swathed in black, pushing a stoller with one hand, holding a small child,s hand in the other, 2 more hanging on to her skirts. He never even looked back.
I lived near one of the handful of military reception centers for Biden's Afghans. They have replaced the mostly elderly blacks in the area's public housing who complained loudly enough to get themselves moved into smaller repurposed neighborhood housing.
There are 7 mosques in this small southern town.
Yet, but much closer than the US is. It is a warning.
Big difference between legal Sharia-which isn’t happening, and liberal/D Muslim sympathizers turning a blind eye to Islamic violations of the 1A/American tradition of religious acceptance.
You don't believe in portent? "Winging it" might be fun, but its not a good plan for government imo.
There's a difference between people and ideologies.
Islam isn't just Christianity or Buddhism spelled differently. It isn't defined by the temporary preferences of some representative you may meet, but by the unchanging holy writ, history, and its Perfect Man, Mohammad.
Anything Mohammad did or said is perfect and is to be imitated, and should they contradict things he said and did later outweigh those done earlier. It is permissible to wait until the time is right before performing one or another act in reverence for the Prophet, the book and the example of the early Conquest are irrevocable and not open to interpretation.
"There is no moderate Islam or immoderate Islam. There is only one Islam" -- Recip Edrogan.
I agree, SH. The commentators who believe Sharia law is being practiced should learn the US laws. Our laws say that no other laws can supersede them. Period. The 10 Commandments say, "Thou shalt not steal." So, are stealing laws Christian laws? I live 15 miles from
Dearborn. It is disheartening to see the occasional ISIS flag in Muslim neighborhoods. That being said, I take the Reagan approach in my association with Muslims, Trust but verify. Most Muslims in Dearborn are immigrants or children of immigrants, as opposed to Europe, where most are refugees. Europe has problems because it lets undesirables reach critical mass. We don't need to march in Dearborn. What did it solve? Just wear your cross or flag pin when visiting. Great Shawarma.
Dearborn leadership should be willing to explain where their beliefs conflict with the US Constitution and what side they fall on if such a conflict occurs. Disingenuous political leadership is the path to autocracy.
Why just "Dearborn leadership"? Lots of people have had issues with the US Constitution, which was not intended to be an unchanging document. When someone has a problem, and enough people agree, then the Constitution is amended. It has happened 27 times so far and is due for further upgrades.
B/c the issue at hand is about Dearborn, Michigan; not Miami, Florida or Billings, Montana.
People for whom the sight of “the occasional ISIS flag” is disheartening make me immensely grateful for people who are willing to wave porky pride in the face of extremists.
People carrying porky flags make me think of all the saps falling for the click bait.
Perhaps a nice beheading or an acid face rinse would help you see the issue.
Western Christian civilization is what is meant, I assume, though that can be argued. Islam is not compatible with any civilization founded upon Western Christianity. Europe's deification of the secular has destroyed Europe as the seat of
Western (Christian) civilization and left it with a meaningless vacuum, to be filled and replaced with the offspring of an extraordinarily fecund Islam.
Calling people uneducated for not agreeing with your opinions is a poor argument.
Same script. If you don't see it happening it does not exist. So, you labelled others just a hysterical racist. Conspiracy theorists are batting 100% SH. What are you going to do when three years from now the NYC laws (in practice) are not so familiar to you anymore.
Hey SH is the Europe what you want the US to become?
I disagree. What Lang did was disruptive and corrupts any legitimate complaints against the Islamization of the country. Now the rhetoric will be that anyone who says that there are concerning aspects of Islam is like Lang. He will be the comparison now and it is disappointing because there are legitimate criticisms of Islam and its compatibility with Western values. I do however agree with you that Lang had every right to do everything he did, but I also think it is important to criticize that kind of behavior because it is, in my opinion, the worst way to voice your criticisms and concerns about Islam’s compatibility with Western society.
Nope. Lang can be the inspiration for people to come out and do better in expressing their complaint against the Islamification of America. There's nothing here that says "oh now because Lang acted the way he did, the matter is just hopeless and no one can be effective in expressing concerns about Islam". That's retarded. People need to do what Lang did, only much better, and hopefully they will. Stop crying.
In what way am I crying? Your rhetoric is the same childish rhetoric of Lang which I am criticizing. Do you really think talking shit in the way you do will convince people that you are taking a logical approach to talk calmly about modern issues? Or are you actually just doing the same thing as people you complain about, whining like a child who can’t use their words to properly express their feelings?
"In what way am I crying?" - In this way: You are worrying more about how a certain type of person will view what Lang did and how that type of person will think of Islam in America in light of what Lang did INSTEAD of worrying more about what Islam in America is actually doing that prompted Lang in the first place and expressing that worry to that certain type of person. In other words, you are instantiating the Norm Macdonald joke about ISIS.
We are at the point where being overly concerned about that type of person has actually played a role in creating the situation we are in, which is far worse and more concerning than anything Lang did.
You’re misunderstanding me. I am critical of the rise of Islam in America and think that it is incompatible with Western values. I was just saying Lang takes it too far, to a childish place where you’re never going to win people from the other side over.
Alright, fair enough. I do think Lang was over-the-top and definitely imperfect as well when considering everything he did, which counts as being critical of his method, but not his overall message. If the people I have been imagining that you are afraid of offending or not convincing can't keep that distinction straight and can't properly evaluate the incompatibility you rightly note here, then I feel like they don't deserve the type of consideration ultimately, either. In other words, if the incompatibly and the urgent need to do something about it is in someone's mind somehow overshadowed by Lang and this incident, then there isn't much that can or should be hoped for in way of rational persuasion in any case and we needn't bother worry about such people to begin with. They are lost and no amount of sensitivity or the expression of it will help them see.
Guess what-the 1A is the 1A. Piss Christ or a Koran Bacon Burger-they are both protected and if political authorities are unwilling to tell religious fundamentalists to stuff it, they are unworthy of holding their office.
Flag, Bible, Koran-burn baby burn-it’s protected-whether you like it or not. I trust and respect Antonin Scalia a lot more than Imam Goatmolester or Rev. Snakehandler.
Lang is a J@ck@$$.
He’s not going to be taken that seriously
I hope he is taken seriously. The US downfall will come from within and too many of our citizens have been conditions to think with their 'feelings' and they have been told what those feelings should be.
However, the protests will generate the predictable response that Muslims are oppressed and looked down on so loving communities will support their Muslims neighbors regardless. White people hate those that are not 'like" them.
Well I’m not really sure which way you’re going with your comment. My point was there won’t be a huge uproar but I don’t disagree with him. But your last sentence thru me
I want the locals to believe Lang's words had truth behind them.
I also know the locals have been conditioned (usually through bouts of shaming or ostracizing) to believe people like Lang are racists or haters, so they will just ignore his words and probably apologize to their Muslim neighbors.
I agree that he will not be taken seriously.
Yeah, but Lang IS a racist provocateur.
I agree with Pscheff that it is not clear which way you were going there Shelley, but whatever way it was, I don't care if you are or are not a "white people" yourself, but you do not speak for me nor, for that matter, for any of the rest of us. So don't go telling us what we hate, etc.
That said, your comment made the mistake of introducing skin color into a discussion of the likelihood that Muslim, a religion, is surreptitiously engaged in a plan to destroy the United States (even if many of the Muslims so engaged are blissfully unaware of their masters' plans). That was an error because Muslims come in every color under the Sun (except maybe for the red-skinned American Indians--they may be immune, but I speculate here).
In any case, the Muslim conquest of the planet is not a racial undertaking. All are welcome, or die!
Racist came from the comment made by SH that I was commenting on. He called Lang a racist . . . so ask him what he meant by that.
Uh...okay.
Just because it’s allowed does not mean it can’t be called distasteful or even condemned. The First Amendment protects you against persecution and nothing else. And yet First Amendment blowhards stay whinging any time they hear the slightest criticism of abhorrent uses of this protected right.
You have no idea what the First Amendment says, much less how the Supreme Court has interpreted the speech clause over the years, do you?
So... is he getting persecuted for this? Then argue that. What point are you trying to make exactly? What violation of his First Amendment rights are going on here? As I read it, you took umbrage with his actions being labelled a certain way in the article and then brought up the First Amendment. It's a big jump but perhaps I missed something here.
And no, I have no obligation to use my full name here, just as you apparently have no obligation to make a cogent argument.
I really do want to agree with you.
But, your opponents here are so freaking fatuous ...
Ain't got no choice.
Uh, are you responding to SH's comment?
I see condescension and arm waving, but not an actual substantive response.
As I like to respond in similar situations on other places:
You have every right to say whatever you want and I have every right to point at you and laugh.
PROSECUTION Not “Persecution”. Very different things.
I gotta stand with you on that.
First Amendment means gummint can't persecute you for your opinion.
It says nothing about your fellow citizens pointing at you and laughing their butts off.
And by the way, if you wish to have a conversation with me, you will use your real name.
This is not a complete understanding of what 1A is truly about.
Its just as important for the listener.
I do agree with some of your comment, but to say that 1A absolutist are blowhards is bullshit.
It's a good thing there are folks like me who would defend your 1A rights upon death.
Without 1A YOU are a slave.
Change my mind.
Nice self-own. You invoked the 1st amendment to make your point, and in the next sentence called yourself a first amendment blowhard.😆
Lang is permitted to do what he did. That's why the cops didn't stop him.
But, he has no protection from being criticized in harsh terms.
Why do the citizens expect the government to do inappropriate dirty work? Anyone who presents himself as a fan of small government had better accept some personal responsibility.
People don't eat books, so nobody is forced to eat this bacon. It's just silly.
"Activism, Insufficiently Censored."
You are an idiot.
Maybe so.
But I'm mature enough to recognize that Lang's antics do NOTHIN to raise white consciousness or mobilize support. Instead he reinforces the muslim self myth of persecution and victimhood. Net loss for our side. Period.
Spoofing the gubernatorial candidate's bus was a funny stunt, but, almost certainly beneficial to the Democrat party objectively.
Lang is NOT Tommy Robinson - a bona fide hero and leader.
In my eyes he looks like an agent provocateur. A false flag.
I think I was trying to respond to SH, not you. My bad
S'alright.
Uk is being conquered. Do we want that to happen here? I don't agree with that dude's tactics, but I understand the sentiment.
- The mayor of Rotherham is Muslim
-The mayor of London is Muslim
- The mayor of Birmingham is a Muslim
- The mayor of Leeds is Muslim
- The mayor of Blackburn is Muslim
- The mayor of Sheffield is Muslim
-The mayor of Oxford is a Muslim
- The mayor of Luton is a Muslim
-The mayor of Oldham is a Muslim
- The mayor of Rochdale is a Muslim
This is not immigration, it's an invasion by 7th century ideological marauders....and murderers...
You are sadly mistaken if you don't think that can happen here.
Obama imported 70k Somalian immigrants into Minnesota where they all settled in the 5th district.
The district has been identified by the FBI as the capital of terrorist recruitment in the US. It just so happens that Ilhan Omar represents that district and has called for the dissolution of Homeland Security...which i agree with...but i don't think they have the same reason for wanting that.
Do ya'll see the picture yet?
and those Somali's went on to commit Medicare fraud claiming their children are Autistic so they can send that money back to Somalia to fund Terrorism. At least 10m dollars last year we aren't talking about pocket change. People need to realize that many immigrants just see America as an economic zone to exploit, not a country that they identify as a part of.
"People need to realize that many immigrants just see America as an economic zone to exploit, not a country that they identify as a part of."
And THAT is the crux of the problem. My grandparents emigrated from Italy to NYC in the late 1800s, and my mother recalls her parents forbidding her from speaking Italian in the home. The goal was to Americanize and blend in during a time when Italians were not especially welcome by the "native" Irish, Germans and Poles in Brooklyn. Also, their pride prevented them from accepting hand-outs! How times have changed...
Unfortunately Ryan, I think things will have to get as bad as they are already in the UK, France, Germany, Holland, Sweden etc. before Americans realize the astounding pace of demographic change.
I agree, Alexis
Like Tacitus said: “They make a desert and call it peace.”
They sow disunity disguised as compassion. They partition and call it progress. They destroy our culture by a thousand cuts so that the populace doesn't even recognize the decline as a slow and painful death...
....and then it happens all at once when a society forgets their first principles and lose the will to defend who they are.
That is the story of Europe. Coming to a theater near you....
This is not written by Matt.
Didn’t the English empire basically annex many Muslim majority countries in its imperial heyday?? The result is plenty of two way traffic between the UK and its colonies.
Ah, the old “two wrongs DO make a right argument”
For fuck’s sakes🤦♂️
How about “colonialism in any direction is not a good thing.
If it was bad for the British to be in Pakistan how is it then good for Pakistanis to be in Britain?
It’s either wrong or it isn’t.
Not same same.
Pakistan is not awash with limeys.
Not anymore no
I snorted. No, not any more.
Not basically, they did annex the Indian Subcontinent.
Kinda, almost, maybe a good point.
Alternatively, you could say that the English ended slavery, brought electricity, ended suttee and taught literacy.
Mixed blessing. Charlie III is reaping the bitter harvest of taking Liberal idealism so literally.
Look at Minneapolis in 1970 and look at it now.
95% of non-Somali Americans would rather live in a Scandinavian city than a Somali city.
But try to get any Democrat to admit that!
I'm very moderate about most things. About this, I am NOT.
Islamists want to eradicate every other religion, period.
They say it all the time.
Look at the countries they turned into theocracies. As a loudmouthed female, I don't want Muslims anywhere near me unless they can assimilate to OUR way of doing things.
This is nonnegotiable.
Do you think they wouldn't burn a bible or a Torah? Remember them blowing up ancient Buddhas?
How come they are permitted every freedom to say anything about anyone.....but if someone responds in kind, they are shamed.
If Muslims want to live here, they must do it as westernized Muslims.
I will NEVER wear a veil. NEVER.
I like the cut of your jib, Lois.
You are a formidable woman.
Islamic Cancer. It’s metastasizing.
All sorts of people specifically come out and riot burning bibles and American flags and you guys will opine on free speech and talk about constitutional principles but this Lang guy can get assaulted on camera and the whole story is "Look at this mean man saying mean things"
No amount of propaganda is going to convince actual Americans that a city in the middle of Michigan with 70% Arab population is normal or sustainable so lets just not talk about any of that at all and look at that mean guy over there.
Same reason Racket avoids anything Israel related like the plague, because you know your actual positions are completely indefensible to someone who actually puts America First
This type of activism (burning bibles, cynical satanist celebrations etc) has worked for the left in the past by baiting Christians into bad behavior.
I have my doubts that this strategy will be effective from the right because the logic repressive tolerance goes deep in the justice system, especially in strongholds like Dearborn where the police can refuse to do anything about violence in response to speech.
It's not the "logic repressive tolerance" or any such silly construction. It's because he's an obvious grifter, a poseur, a provocateur and a freaking phoney. He doesn't represent us.
We have real concerns about Islam, but we are not interested in offending anybody. We just want them to act like Americans.
How can waving bacon around inspire them to act like Americans? He WANTS them to be the worst that they can be because that gets him the attention that he wants.
It's a freaking trap, people.
Uh yeah he's a provocateur that's why I compared him to cynical satanist leftists baiting Christians. They were pretty successful at that strategy. But acting like leftists won't work for the right because our position is not cynical at its core. You end up looking like a moron and they will laugh at you after physically attacking you without consequence.
Roger that.
Defending Western Civilization requires using our our tools, not theirs.
Like the lefties, this Lang feller is a performance artist.
The disdain comes from his pretense to represent us. Capisce?
Then move to Dearborn and dilute the population! What is your solution to natural flows of migration and settlement? That the country dictate who gets to live where based on their religion and the colour of their skin? Yeah that doesn’t sound problematic and authoritarian at all…
"Natural flows of migration and settlement"
Yeah show me where the 70% white populations are in Africa and the Middle East. The one country in Africa that was majority white was sanctioned to death by the west for crime of declaring independence from the UK
The idea that the millions and millions of immigrants pouring illegally into the country while the elites make sure they import as many "refugees" as possible to undercut the blue collar American worker is at all natural is asinine
That'd be great IF they moved there independently. However, the Obama administration and the Biden administration dropped them off there by the plane load. Instant Muslim majority city
This is dead wrong Dearborn has had a growing Muslim population since the 70’s . ( Primarily because of the truly racist Mayor prior to that time did everything in his power to stop blacks from moving from Det to Dearborn.. look up Orville Hubbard) First in East Dearborn and as time has passed it has become “the place to live” if you come to US and are Muslim. The difference in the last 2 decades is the complete ending of any real assimilation of the population.
I've never heard of this. I know in other countries they give priority to immigration if you choose to live in certain parts of the country, but that's usually to fill certain needs and maybe also to spread out the population although that's never explicitly stated. If you have any literature on this specific policy, I would love to read it.
No literature to cite. There are a buncha factchecks whether the Biden administration flew "325K immigrants" into the US. Because the 325 figure claimed by Trump is sketchy the entire idea is "disproved." But, here is an early report that seems credible to me: https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/biden-administration-resumes-migrant-flights-to-airport-outside-nyc/
Denver, where I live, has been awash in Venezuelans. (I speak Spanish well and easily can tell their accent from our usual Mexican population.)
The problem easily gets exaggerated and distorted, but it is real.
Just go down to the ER of your local County Hospital and you'll see it.
Muslims in America do far worse things to jews and other Americans in general. Why is this even a story? IMO, pushback against radical Islam needs to be harder and more often.
I recommend looking at the videos produced by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute). They translate what is actually being preached in mosques all across the U.S. and the rest of the world. They are not hiding their intentions. Islam is a religion of conquest. One can convert, submit and pay the protection tax—jizya—or be killed. Nothing has changed in 1400 years of their conquest and colonization. They are playing the long game and are doing quite well for themselves.
Jake Lang and Tommy Robinson are what happens when another culture moves into your home and takes over, and politicians provide no guardrails.
Sorry. I think it's offensive to tie Lang with Tommy Robinson.
If you've paid attention you'd know that Tommy is much, much more circumspect in his rhetoric and has paid the price in prison for his beliefs.
Lang is a grifter.
I cheered when I heard Lang’s speech. We need to be proactive on this issue or the West is conquered.
“ Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every strategy of war.” Koran 9:5
Exactly. They're not hiding anything. This is a core tenet for their ideology.
Always has been, always will be. To believe otherwise would be an apostasy.
Yeah, yeah. Lang is coarse, what else is new? But what of Ford Fischer's finger-wagging at Lang's casual use of the "n-bomb"? The word is protected speech. Check out a Dave Chappelle routine if you don't believe me.
We don't have a K-bomb for Jews, an M-bomb for Irish, a G-bomb for Italians or an S-bomb for Puerto Ricans. So how long are we supposed to be so supportive of any and all sensitive fellow Americans that we are ashamed to say the n-word, even if we don't want to say it? We all need to get over ourselves. There is nothing inherently weaker about black-skinned people than any others. And treating them as if they were is to do them a disservice. It's racist! The compensation has become a pathology and it's not doing us any good, no matter what shade of skin one has.
That's the price of living in a pluralistic society.
Islam is a particular problem because the established faith does not recognize pluralism.
Thing is, I'll bet American money that not a single commenter here has ever spoken to a muslim about this.
We rant, among "us," expecting "them" to conform, but never actually talk about it.
That's how we got here.
(But, yeah, they have an obvious problem with being pluralistic, our minimum demand. This needs to be addressed how ever million times as there are muslims in America.)
Just sayin' ...
I am not sure how you got that reply from my post, but I surely welcome it just the same. Thank you.
I just came across a reel on Facebook where a pianist previews his first composition. He is accompanied by a young woman, a girl really, who sings the ethereal melody like an angel. I sent it out to people I know on that site.
The music, the singing: ineffable, heavenly, but just the same bound up in messy, organic, earthly life. In the West we celebrate this magical union--one need look no further but can if one so chooses. In the East they understand the same thing. Somehow the Muslim world is lost between the two, unable to accept the gift of beauty that came from whatever it is that makes the magic of existence possible, lost in the unbearable lightness of being, per Kundera.
And I agree, though I have no Muslim friends, that we don't seem to bring this up with them. My sense of it is that the Koran proscribes what you call pluralism. Indeed, they can barely tolerate Woman. She's a bridge too far. How could they ever get on with Infidels?
Is there a way out of this?
I don't know if there is a way out. I'm still trying.
Sadly, to date, serious conversations with educated muslims always wind up with a tirade about the Joos. (Even sadder, same thing with Europeans. Second bottle of wine, lecture about the Joos.)
Thing is, I believe that we need to seriously refine our argument. The traditional religious animus is no longer an adequate immune reaction. But, we do need to protect ourselves culturally and civilizationally from the infection.
(Our kids wearing keffiyehs and chanting propaganda is a logical first place to start. Before we confront muslims we must confront our own people.)
I'm pretty sure if christians took over a muslim city there would be bloodshed. See Nigeria for proof.
That is because NIGERIANS who converted to Christianity are being murdered by Islamists. They did not "take over" They found a different calling. Not allowed by Muslims.
Right now there are towns in Texas in which storekeepers are being threatened by Moslems to no longer carry pork and other products they consider 'dirty' or whatever.
Nobody is going to tell me what I can and cannot eat. Period.
They also don't like dogs and in other countries have been known to kill them.
Maybe there are still a few 'moderate' ones out there, but I doubt it. I used to work with an Indonesian woman who wore the full kit sans face covering. At one point, she gave a co-worker all of her indonesian art and cultural artefacts because the Imam at her mosque told the congregation to destroy all things that were not 'Islamic'. The co-worker told me about how she had known this woman for years and they used to be close before the mosque got a bunch of imported radical Imams. The woman used to dress in western clothes and didn't cover up before that time. She apparently also had a dog she had to give away. Personally, I'd rather have the dog and the family heirlooms, but then I am not that worried about where some asshole tells me I'm going when I'm dead.
Islam is a cult, its books and writings abound with far more violence than even Christianity and the true believers are instructed by those books that it is OK to lie, cheat and kill to become the dominiant culture (how colonialist of them). If it were to end tomorrow, noone would miss it.
I'll grant you that some of this demonstration was obscene. But he is allowed to be like that if he wants and the Muslim community can complain and bring up some argument about being an oppressed minority, however disingenuous that may be.
Make no mistake, in a scenario where the Muslim contingent is the majority, neither Jake Lang nor any of the rest of us minorities in this scenario would be afforded any of the privileges and rights that minorities in America currently enjoy.
And that's the rub. You have a ideology that will happily bask in the kindness and outright suicidal empathy of another; and when they finally get a leg up, your face will be in the mud and you'll be given an ultimatum.
That certainly is what I have seen. Islam is an authoritarian, misogynistic, theocratic religion. "Fair" characterization of it should be realistic, not necessarily portraying Islam or its practitioners in a more favorable light than is factual.
It’s a shame it’s come to this, but more incidents like this will come. Islamists *are* trying to take over our society and troubled times are coming. All are welcome here as long as they enter legally and assimilate into our culture. I don’t believe we’ll allow the US to go the way of England and much of the rest of Europe.
You may be correct in that, when it comes down to it, we will not let it happen. But it is very clear that, based on the current vectors, when we finally do put the proverbial foot down, it will be too late to be nice about it. It will be a bloody mess with many of us split and taking up for the wrong side. Who comes out on top, even if it is US, will not be the same as who we were when we went in.
Actions at the extreme leave no one unscathed. Our Civil War is a case in point. There is also that any shedding of blood here opens the way to war, as in Russia's justifications in re the Donetsk, Turkey in Cyrpus, etc. And then there's that there is no winning with a nuclear armed Caliphate.
Better that we face this now long before we have to permanently eliminate our neighbors all over the land later. In Minneapolis, for instance, 75,000 Somalis should be sent back. Their arrival was not organic, but a setup by a bad faith player President. Everything they have stolen should clearly by reclaimed, including funds fraudulently gained and sent back to their mother land. But organic or not, at this point demanding oaths of loyalty and support for the way of life we offer would simply be reasonable and a first step in ensuring our survival.
It appears to me, based on the Democrats' recent campaign to get active U.S. military and National Guard to revolt against Trump, that they have taken a step closer towards a civil war. They probably believe that they are reacting to Trump's supposedly undemocratic behavior, and that they are Saving Our Democracy against his "authoritarianism" and "fascism."
Yeah well, there will be many steps taken in that wrong direction. Not a fan of our Civil War, I believe another Fort Sumpter might be one too many.
Thanks for your reply. Stay grounded.