It would be good for protesters to offer a specific plan to remediate or solve the issue they are protesting. The time for rampant resistance is ending. The time for practical, reasonable solution is beginning.
That's the rub. Immigration protesters and activists like Chavez Rodriguez and Bernal in the Biden White House want an open border. They don't want enforcement of any kind. That's destabilizing politically- see NY- and culturally. And see law enforcement. The United States cannot sustain it. You come in without due process you go out the same way. A particular bete noir for me are the "activists" or chronic "protesters" who come here from really crappy countries who become angry revolutionaries demanding "transformation" in the free United States. We should be more like them - failed states--and we should put the countries they came from before our own. Pound sand. That goes for second generation revolutionaries of which there appear to be many. If you don't like capitalism and if there are too many white people here for you then return to your blighted motherland.
Due process isn't required for deportation generally. This was explained by the Supreme Court as long ago as Wong Wing. The logic is due process is required explicitly for deprivation of "life, liberty, or property" and visa revocation or deportation is none of those things. That's why deportation is a civil matter. The SC explained that if it's a criminal matter, that requires due process. And so deportation deriving from criminal charges requires the due process normal to criminal trial first.
That means Congress controls immigration and they have laws that require a process today. That ends up being plenty of due process, except for cases like expedited removal. The 1950's laws require an immigration judge to review all cases and there are other provisions. If you look at immigration courts, they are not like other courts - they are run under the Attorney General in the DoJ.
In pragmatic terms that means Trump administers the immigration courts. Judges are named to six-month terms which means that we're now at the point where every judge was picked by this admin. It's not going to be easy, still, but effectively 95% of asylum claims are going to get denied, those judges are going to continue to allow the dismissal of cases and summary deportation after same, etc.
The process will be very fast relative to the past for the next four years, though we'll see how fast is achievable.
Well, in the past they would get a lot of leeway under favorable immigration judges. You could probably show up a year later than a court date and they'd just wag a finger and forgive you.
Now, if they don't show, the newer judges think more like the current administration - so likely they dismiss the asylum claim and then you're deportable. Remember, most of the people out there are pending review of asylum claims. They need us to actively green light them, and the default is a red light and deportation. At least 70% of those were not approved even before 2021. With the surge to the border being caused by Biden signaling openness, rather than actual changes in conditions on the other side leading to real asylum needs, that means we're looking at 85-95% denials of asylum over next four years if you ask me.
Thank you for that. Quite a few knowledgeable people said it would take forever --maybe they were trying to make political points. Let's hope it's expedited.
I don't think we'll get through more than 2x what past administrations did, but it will be faster. That would be like a total of 3M in four years. Usually people were at closer to 1.5M for a four-year term.
Trump’s BBB act will cut off the historical $ money flow from Federal government back to the States. Each governor will have to now decide what to fund, and what goes by the wayside. It’s likely a seismic shift. Read about it here:
The United States already has a backlog of 3.5 million cases. Many of not most don't show up. Add to that some twelve million. Somebody estimated it would take an absolutely massive effort and dedication of court time and funds that would take 16 years for immigration hearings. And that's with a superhuman effort. New York spent over $7 billion dollars on housing immigrants in recent years. Millions from all over the globe are watching this and if they see that once you get in you can't be expelled, that's it, game over, we're through.
We're at a serious juncture here, such massive influxes can and will effect our form of government and policies --we're seeing that play out in New York and elsewhere, and something needs to be done.
Porous borders is what happened to Rome. We're well on our way. Riots under foreign flags are a hint. I think that's ugly.
Some states are amending laws to permit homeowners to more quickly evict squatters. Once again overcorrection allows squatters to stay in and wreck people's homes for weeks if not months. That's injustice. The same thing needs to be done with immigration. Due process needs to go both ways. If someone breaks into your house do you need due process to get them out? I do wish they would stop rounding up people like a gardener grandfather who has been here for years and focus on the last four years when a lot of damage was done. Especially the gangs who are in over 30 states, shaking down terrorized apartment dwellers, making one apartment house unsellable, the kinds of gangs that basically terrorize some countries below us, blackmailing and threatening journalists and politicians and killing them and their families. Those gangs.
The Democrats or whatever they really are nowadays are intent on holding up every. single. deportation even hardenef criminals. So good luck with due process. I think they have to change it to some form not unlike weddings of a thousand couples. Mass busting in, mass deportation hearings.
Brian, I hear you and I agree we need both sides of the argument to keep us honest. But here comes the big but. Start with the fact that we are trying to manage millions of completely unvetted migrants who are not in the country legally. At this point how many months has it been since Kristi Noem put the word out? They know they are here illegally. Self deport or you will be arrested, deported and forbidden from coming back. Seems to me they’ve made their choice and that choice is to avoid and ignore our laws while receiving as much money, health care and housing as they can all at the cost of the taxpayer. There is a reason why our immigration process is so difficult. The process was never designed to support 300,000 migrants in a month. Neither is the immigration court system set up for that kind of volume. The entire process under Biden was done intentionally to overwhelm the system leaving exactly the monumental problem we have now. All that aside we should not be taking in the world’s poor, or downtrodden or malcontents while we have our own poor and mentally disabled living on the streets. If someone wants due process then get your ass down to an immigration office and ask for help either starting the legal immigration process or self deporting. Waiting until we commit resources and money and put ICE agents at risk to round them up is not the time to decry due process.
Do the math on that one. It would take decades to remedy the problem. We need due process but streamlined. For instance, deportees could appeal from their home countries. We do this routinely with legal visa applicants.
I’m not sure I differ with you at all. In these due process discussions, advocates seem not to understand the difference between criminal due process (defense against prison or death) and administrative due process (defense against being sent back to your native country when you have no right to be here in the first place). In the latter case due process is exactly what Congress specifies and no more. Current rules are too slow and weaponized by partisan judges. This is making it impossible to rectify the nullification of immigration laws committed by the previous administration. The legal answer is for Congress to write new laws, but in these times there is an argument to be made that this is an emergency situation warranting streamlined action by the executive temporarily.
Anyone who comes here illegally has no interest in being an American, they have an interest in taking advantage of America. As far as I'm concerned, summary deportation without a hearing *IS* the humanitarian option.
Your argument is sort of like the cops being called to a robbery in progress, and apon arrival while at the front door, a guy wearing a ski mask comes bolting out the door holding OPM, gold, jewelry, etc, straight into a bunch of cops. Should he get due process? Certainly he should! But he knows he's a thief, every cop standing there knows he's a thief, and Justice, before walking into the courtroom knows he's a thief. So, what's your point?
You are correct. This stupid bandit is an American citizen, a criminal but a citizen. Due process…check! But if you know you’re here illegally, and you know ICE is looking for people like you then you are walking around with the roulette pistol aimed right at your temple. It’s just a matter of time. And please spare me the alligator tears when you get caught.
Let’s talk about due process. For these illegals due process means they have to prove whatever reason for asylum they claimed when then entered the country. Asylum is their only recourse because otherwise they should have come through a normal point of entry and applied for citizenship. For that process to begin that person has to be vetted. A person applying for citizenship will be able to give some basic information about where they lived, education etc. As a thought exercise consider this. Take a thirty day period. There was months where 300,000 were coming into the country. Majorkas claimed that they were all vetted. We know thats bullshit for at least two reasons. First they let in known criminals, gang members, spies and the list goes on. Some very bad people who dipshits like Mr Pillar want to protect. Thats called suicidal empathy by the way. Secondly in a month where 300,000 people, discounted 30 percent for kids (who we have no idea if they’re traveling with their own parents) that leaves 270,000 to vet. Do the math. Immigration officers would have about 60-90 seconds to vet someone. And thats why we have the mess we have. Vetting on the border required a name, a pocket to put your atm card and bus or plane ticket in. Had actual vetting been a requirement the numbers flooding across the border would have been significantly smaller as I suspect maybe 5 percent would have gotten in. Illegals are throwing away their US issued ID card after getting past the border. They don’t need that ID anymore they have their own setup. So how do we vet those people. Its impossible. Do we keep them in jail until we can vet them? This mess is costing the taxpayer gazillions of wasted money. And by the way no one profits. Free from the govt is still taxpayer money. The rules have been established. You try to avoid your responsibilities as a visitor to this nation and you’re caught then out you go. If you’re a criminal that came here to propagate a criminal enterprise then South Sudan here you come. South Sudan was the best idea ever. It reminds me of the early days of the war in Afghanistan. Threatening a captured Al Qaeda prisoner with transfer to Gitmo would make some sing like canaries. I hope the thought of being sent to Sudan or El Salvador because your own home nation wont take you back is a wake up call. We haven’t even spoken of the over 300,000 kids who came across the boarder and are now missing. No one wants to talk about that. When you have mass illegal immigration the only rational answer is mass deportation. It’s not our fault they lied about who they are, their own countries don’t want them back or they convinced themselves they could game the system. Now we have illegals waving their home flags in protest because of bleeding heart liberals who hate Trump. Whats is also very comical for me is the number of videos of both Clintons and Obama saying exactly what Trump is saying now. If you’re here illegally you will be arrested and deported. When Trump says it people convulse and peacefully destroy millions of dollars worth of buildings, police cars and other people’s property. But remember MAGA is the enemy of the real. WTF does that even mean?
They needed votes and they were too stupid to win an election, and completely disconnected from humanity, so they crossed their fingers and opened the border. Thank God it didn't work!
Okay, but the system is built to quickly dispose of the case. The thief would never see a courtroom unless he's an idiot, or...
Let's say he's just a guy who was dressed for the cold, the money and jewels were his and he was rushing down to pawn them. He's in big trouble and he's gonna spend some time behind bars before it gets worked out. It's unfortunate, but that's how the system works.
So, ICE grabs what they believe to be an illegal and the person cannot immediately substantiate their legal status - guess what? They're going to jail! Sadly, that jail may be in El Salvador, or they may ultimately end up back in their own country, but that's how the system works. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. The system isn't perfect. It cannot grind to a halt because a of a few aberrant cases, nor can it just blindly believe anyone that says they're here legally.
This scenario assumes that ICE is just out walking the streets willy nilly hunting for illegals. Not happening. There is always a warrant or two or three or more at the core of targeted raids.
The key point in your scenario is “ICE believes” the person to be here illegally. Who’s going to check to make sure that ICE’s belief had any facts to support it, especially while that person is in jail in another country? What happens when, as has happened often during the Trump Administration, ICE grabs a citizen or legal resident? That’s like the cops arresting the store owner instead of the thief.
No one is a criminal by decree of ICE or the cops. The government has to present a sufficient number facts to a competent tribunal and that tribunal can then conclude that the person on trial broke the law. That’s why we presume innocence and make the state prove their case.
What you describe is tyranny. ICE grabs anyone they think is inconvenient, ships them off to a third world torture prison, and then demands that that person prove their case while locked up thousands of miles away. Think of all the infrastructure required to present a case in court. None of those things are going to be available to a citizen deported to El Salvador.
The system you want, and that Trump is creating, differs only in a small degree from Nazi Germany and is definitely headed in that direction. Eventually it will hurt you or someone you care about. Try to think about that before you get so happy about seeing people locked up in cages.
I think it is now Alexander Soros (real last name Schwartz, was changed by his grandfather) who chairs the Board of Directors of the Open Society Foundations. A couple of weeks ago he married Pant Suit's favorite female, Huma Abedin.
Yes, he will come through for the Dem, as many corporations are stepping back while T is in office.
I think the Dems are a lost cause and a new liberal Marxist party will appear to challenge MAGA because the Dems have no credibility and Barrack Obama has been exposed as the man behind Biden
South Park did one episode where people were protesting something, and a guy's sign and chant was for something else. A protester stopped him and he said, "Oh! What are we protesting?" Then flipped through a few pages on his sign found the right one, and began chanting with the rest.
Can you please describe for me how one rents a crowd? I have heard this assertion many times but no one has ever demonstrated how it works or shown evidence supporting the conclusion that a process for hiring crowds exists.
Please, link to an ad in Variety or the website of a talent agency that specializes in such things. How does one pursue a career as a protestor?
Most of the protesters don't even know why they are there. Some of them might have opinions but if you really talked to them, you'd quickly realize they are arguing for less salt at a Pepper convention....
Having it wide open like this not only allows for the guards to see everything, but it's environmentally better for the (temporary) inmates. Remember, this is a HOLDING cell. This is where they are housed before being sent home.
That is patently false. Many were already convicted either in the US or in their home countries before coming here illegally. Go look up what happens when you sneak into ANY other country in the world. This is tame. You do NOT want to be stuck in a Mexican Prison, for any reason. And... ILLEGAL means just that. There have been numerous warnings and declarations about their status, along with generous offers to self-deport with a plane ticket and $1,000. The people being sent to Florida are mostly hardened criminals. Maybe you can take one of them in...
As a comparison, Illegally entering most countries on earth results in much worse consequences. And if you are here Illegally, you are not owed Due Process, since you did not follow Due Process to enter. The rules for entering the US and for citizenship are very clear. There is no reason for the citizens of the US to shoulder the burdens of 7 Billion people from the rest of the world.
Here you go:
Illegally entering another country can result in a range of penalties, depending on the country and the circumstances of the entry. Deportation or removal is a common final outcome, often accompanied by additional punishments such as fines, imprisonment, or detention. Here are some examples of what can happen:
In India, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for 2 to 8 years and a fine, while entering without a passport or with forged documents can result in up to 3 months' imprisonment, a fine, or both.
In China, penalties vary from imprisonment, criminal detention, or public surveillance, along with fines. Foreigners may also face deportation.
In Indonesia, illegal entry can result in a fine and/or imprisonment for up to one year or five years, depending on the severity of the violation.
In Japan, illegal entrants may face imprisonment for up to 3 years and/or a fine, followed by deportation.
In Germany, illegal entry can result in up to 1 year of imprisonment or a fine, though no criminal charges are filed if the person immediately presents themselves to authorities and applies for asylum.
In France, illegal entry can result in up to 1 year of imprisonment and/or a fine, while illegal reentry can carry a penalty of up to 3 years.
In Canada, while unlawful entry is not explicitly criminalized, most violators are typically deported or ordered to leave, though fines and imprisonment for 6 months or 2 years may apply depending on the nature of the offense.
In South Korea, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for up to 5 years or a fine, followed by deportation.
In Russia, penalties include imprisonment or correctional labor for up to 2 years or a fine, with stricter punishments for those whose presence is forbidden or for group entries.
In Iran, illegal entry can result in discretionary imprisonment for 1 to 3 years or a fine, though pending legislation may exempt asylum seekers from punishment.
In Bangladesh, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for up to 5 years and a fine.
In many countries, asylum seekers may be exempt from punishment if they claim refugee status upon arrival and meet specific conditions. However, those who reenter illegally or are repeat offenders often face harsher penalties. Additionally, even after paying fines or serving sentences, individuals are typically deported and may face re-entry bans, which can last for years or even be permanent.
‘Many’ isn’t all, ànd you have therefore admitted that there are innocent people locked up in that place. As for the rest of your bullshit, the fact that other prisons in other countries might be worse doesn’t justify this one. Our laws are better. You just hate immigrants because you are a bad person.
and you have lived up to your name. Why do you go to bat for criminals? It's not "bullshit" even if you decide to call it that. I don't hate "immigrants." I'm married to one. I despise people who want to jump the line and come in illegally and take advantage of American generosity. The amount of freebies these people got was unconscionable while our Veterans suffered. Do better, Karen. Ad hominem attacks only show you don't have an argument. I have NOT admitted there are innocent people locked up.
Do you have ANY awareness of what cartel members do to their victims? Or how a person "joins" a Tren de Aragua gang or an MS 13 gang? It's vile and horrific. Maybe look that up before you step up to "save" these people. I've seen it. I've been to the border. I've visited the prisons. I've read the crime reports. Have you? I guarantee if you did, you would not sleep at night.
That is a question, but not a solution. Graft and cruelty are human pathologies that ruin any efforts at human betterment. So maybe protesting is a waste. We all know about graft and cruelty.
And IIRC, this is a DETENTION CENTER. That is, it's not a PRISON per se. They are there for a short time and will be sent back home or wherever. Prisons morph into their own pathology over time. It looks like people won't be there long enough for that to happen. I could be wrong.
Because the funding is drying up. And once Soros, Sr. passes away, little Alex will not have the stones to keep things going. It's all reflexive for him. Not a life long passion like his evil Daddy.
You would think people would want a solution! But in my experience, they don't. They want someone else to fix it for them without any effort on their part. For example, I wrote the book End Politics Now (https://a.co/d/hN7LzlC) with the first practical solution to the political divide. I could understand it if people read the book and disagreed or had a better idea. It even has an implementation plan. But most people aren't interested in an actual solution. Maybe someday people will want one but I'm not sure anymore that that's human nature.
Betsy: The plan should be to show some generosity and forgiveness and let the illegals stay in the country. Yes, make the borders as difficult to trespass as possible from now on, but what's done is done. The vast majority of illegals are gainfully employed at low level jobs that natural-born Americans don't want and are contributing to the economy. Most have spouses and kids. They're not serial killers and dog eaters. Trump and Stephen Miller's grand plan to rip hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, most of them poor and working class, out of the communities in which they live, is going to have dire consequences for the soul of this country, making it into one as horribly callous and brutish Trump and Miller are themselves. God knows how cruelly we will begin treating other vulnerable populations as this process progresses.
That is patently false, Hugh. And a bit patronizing. You clearly get all your talking points from MSDNC and don't have up front and close interaction. The ones going to Florida are proven gang members, rapists, multiple offenders, cartel members, and drug runners. Dredged from the worst of the worst in all the countries where O'Biden scraped them from.
Give me your data source for your statement about the "vast majority." Prove me wrong about your lie that "natural born Americans" don't want those jobs. That lie was smashed when hundreds of people showed up to apply for jobs after an ICE raid.
I had a neighbor from the Caribbean once who was disgusted with the way Americans "worship their pets" as his opinion was they are only for food.
And no matter how you slice it, there are rules in every. single. country for entry. If you did not use Due Process to come in, you don't get Due process to be kicked out. There are 7 Billion people in the world. Why do natural citizens of America have to carry the weight of the world? Why don't these people "looking for a better life" challenge their own governments the way we did in 1776 and take their rightful countries back. If you are so intent on making the world "fair" for everyone, go to their home countries and fix it.
Ok, hear me out: Stop putting rapists in prison. They raped someone in the past, but they're not raping anyone right now, are they? And they're mostly peaceful. They spend less than 1% of their time raping. Plus they have jobs, so they contribute to the economy, many of them have families. Putting rapists in prison is just callous and brutish, surely we can do better.
Trump is scapegoating the illegals. Many Americans are justifiably angry about the direction this country has taken. Instead of addressing those concerns head on, Trump uses diversionary tactics, such as mass deportations of people, most of whom are poor and working class and have no voice in Washington. It takes the focus off the decision makers at the top, the ones in government, business, and banking who are responsible for our endless wars, the massive outflow of jobs overseas over the years, economic inequality, and our appalling national debt. It's so much easier to get tough with people who have no power. It's very telling that Trump has not made a show of concern for the victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters. Again, most of them are poor and working class. It's telling too that the biggest cuts to his beautiful budget are the ones to Medicaid. In Trumpworld, the rich get tax cuts and deregulation and the poor get the shaft.
No, Trump is not scapegoating anyone. I grew up working class, and I am tired of paying taxes to support people who entered the country illegally, and who receive preferences in employment, education, and affordable housing over my family and myself. You say they "have no voice in Washington," but why should they? They entered the country illegally.
Agree that we have many other problems, but we voted for mass deportations, and your assertion that Trump is using these as a diversion is absurd. Weren't you paying attention to the campaign?
I have no idea what you are referring to with "victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters."
Check the facts: those tax cuts benefit all of us, not only the wealthy. They were due to expire, which would have put me in a world of hurt -- and I am far from wealthy.
Victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters are those communities slammed by hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and wildfires. The number of those disasters has risen sharply in the last couple of decades. Time and again, it has been poor communities hit hardest by those disasters. They should be a number-one priority of our federal government--people harmed by events completely out of heir control--as should doing everything we can to stop climate change.
I'm not suggesting that there be an increase in taxes on you. It is the tax cuts to the wealthy that should expire. Are you not tired of all the U.S. government, particularly the Republican Party, does to be benefit the rich?
Tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, etc., have always happened. People are building homes where they should not. And yes, the climate is always changing. With the exception of a couple of "little ice ages" it's been getting warmer for 12,000 years.
Agree that people in Lahaina & NC should have received more assistance.
I don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy. I care about tax cuts for the working/middle class. I do not live my life in a constant state of resentment and envy at those who have more than I do.
I am concerned when the government works with Big Pharma, Big Tech, and giant corporations to hurt the working/middle class, like they did during Covid. Forcing small, “non essential” businesses to shut down, while allowing larger businesses to stay open was unconscionable.
He holds a consistent position that climate change is a fraud. On this one, it isn't one of many other issues where he flips back and forth on or waffles, like vaccinations.
What does he believe in? I often think he has no core beliefs at all - other than believing it's important for him to be powerful, and important for him to not be weak. Maybe he's for peace, truly? I don't think he wants a world war - he knows, like everyone else knows, that nobody wins a WW III. But he seems to like and enjoy ordering an occasional explosion or bombing and then seeing that it happened. With no lives lost, of course. Or only bad people losing lives.
Of course he believes climate change is a fraud. He gets gobs of campaign cash from the oil and gas industry. Follow the money. Trump values two things in life: money and winning. He decided to bomb Iran because he was manipulated by the hawks in Congress into believing it was a winning issue and would boost his poll numbers.
I will certainly say I'm cynical enough about Trump to not trust him. There may be some very small pieces of humanity deep inside that dark heart. But they aren't enough.
Shame is a humanizing human characteristic. The fact that he completely rejects shame - what does that say about his character and his soul?
Yes I agree totally. But If we don't address the cause of all of this, we will have served the purpose of what can only be called at best, the heartless men who play God with humanity. Trump, imv, is not one of them, but an agent of the Light who stands amidst the evil and hopes to show its face to the rest of us so that WE will turn away from it and realize half who we are as one humanity. See: https://thefutureofhumanity.substack.com/p/open-borders-or-open-hearts.
I honestly hope you are joking about Trump, Betsy. To paraphrase Woody Allen, if Jesus Christ were to return to Trump's America, he wouldn't be able to stop throwing up.
Well I peed in the woods when I was 2. Never did the rock. We carried shit paper, but maybe I’ll give it a try. There is a big difference in standing up for what you believe and demanding to be right. I could say the same about you. The only issue I have is your belief that if the police merely think you’re a bad guy they can put you in jail for a long time. Like I said earlier, I respect your right to believe and say what you want. I am not obligated to believe or even respect your beliefs only your right to have them. Nothing to own here. Glad we could get this worked out. Time to move on.
It’s so tedious watching these whiny wannabe protesters appear with their tired “hey hey, ho ho” slogans every time the rule of law is enforced
. Of course, they never bother to articulate THEIR version of a just immigration policy. Open borders? Food stamps for illegal felons? Rights equivalent to those of U.S. citizens? When did we vote to become the taxpayer funded repository for all the people whose countries are failed states, mostly due to policies like those advocated by these semi professional protesters?
Tedious is the cogent word. For those of us who were in college in the late 60s when protests were new, seeing old people dusting off their 60s “hey-hos” is tedious and a bit pathetic. Our generation has left future generations with debt and unrealistic expectations that governments will take care of us. This entitled, victim stance dooms its adherents to lives of protest and misery.
Wrong. I have worked since I was 15. I work at 61 and still “hey Ho.” Your “never” is what makes cruelty easy. Distance and assumptions are the real lazy problem.
Some of those failed states are due to piggish US military interventions so we owe these refugees from our regime change wars something. Of course American pigs, both liberals and conservatives, continue the slaveowning, rapist, racist traditions of our floundering fathers.
The largest number of illegals comes from Mexico. NAFTA was a disaster for many Mexicans as agricultural jobs declined, agricultural exports suffered from American competition, and wages stagnated, leaving those outside the manufacturing zones impoverished. Eventually, many factories also closed, adding to the problem. Not exactly regime change, but certainly NAFTA was a net loss for both Mexican and American workers. Trump was right to end it.
The DNC/Soros/Mayorkas NGO grift lined the pockets of their political operatives with tax largesse--and as intended--created chaos while diverting attention from the actual serious problems facing citizens of our Republic. The perps continue to flout--at the expense of deserving Americans--actual immigration law. The American treasury continues to bleed and state and federal insiders continue to line their pockets.
Why? Because oikophobia sells. The surveillance machine and the managerial elite it serves used illegal immigration to destroy Europe, strip her people of civil liberties and bring down Western culture.
Why is American infrastructure in collapse? Why can't little Jane and Johnny read? How is it that American industrial cities are gutted? Because--as in Europe We the People (Black/White/Brown/Red/Yellow) are being colonized and replaced through mass forced illegal migration. The perps want uneducated disposable labor and access to all natural resources for personal gain and access without oversight or consequence. It's not something else.
Love yourself. Love your Republic. Depart the psyop and live.
No we don't. What we owe the world is to stop the ClownsInAmerica from doing regime change. If you think it was "The United States" that did those military interventions, then you are listening to too much garbage TV. Every single time that happens, it's not the US. It's the Deep State. It's the Rockefellers and their ilk using our Intelligence agencies to do their bidding. It's the neocons who make money on the transfers of power, who launder money through our AID.
This is why we are so happy about killing USAID. Whistleblowers have said that only around 2% of that money was used for AID. Most was bribes, laundering, and paying for corruption.
Frankly, your insults about the brave men who founded this country tells me you really need to move to another country, because you don't get it.
***Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?***
***Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.***
***They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.***
***What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.***
Mexico? Central America? Cuba? Venezuela? India? Iran? Come on Barry, try harder.
Your comment about America "continuing the slaveowning, rapist and racist traditions..." doesn't deserve a response. Renew your passport. It's a big world out there, and someone will value your perspective. Somewhere.
Iran in 1953 and 1979, two major coups. Perhaps this will bring you up to date on the hundreds of US military interventions including those in almost all the countries you questioned. You can call names and shut down discussion with your personal.prejudices but history cannot be shut down. Ignored but not shut down. https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html
Please remind the protesters that drug cartels made literally billions trafficking illegals here and are largely responsible for dumping the worst humans in our country. Why is it we never see protesters condemning the cartels?
Because the cartels are funding the protests. Just like the urban gangs are behind the defund the police movement. And Iran is paying for the whole “Free Palestine” bullshit. And upwardly mobile socialists looking to buy expensive houses drove “Black Lives Matter.”
Whenever I see an obviously inorganic “movement” I ask myself “who would benefit most if they got their way?”
So true. The cartel mafias have long taken over what is left of markets in Mexico. Now they’re here collecting a percentage on illegal laborers and rent, stash houses and cash equivalent Snap cards.
This was an outstanding idea by our Florida Governor. This is deterrence times 10, much like self protection, for example you don’t have to use the 44 magnum you carry, the punk just has to know you have it. I know that all of our great people at ICE have set up a hospitable holding facility, beds, blankets, porto-John’s, and food service. It is the image that the great Florida Attorney General has conveyed that is going to persuade a lot of illegal aliens to go back where they came from. Congratulations to all involved in this endeavor, this is what America has needed for a long time, politics s that say what they are going to do and then do it….
This is hardly a new idea. For decades Australians have sent illegal migrants to snake and mosquito infested island compounds, surrounded by saltwater crocs, to await adjudication of their asylum claims.
Lacking AC, it does not take long for migrants to request an immediate ride back to their country of origin. It saves Australians the cost, hassle and bad PR of mass deportations. The system has acted as a deterrent to illegal immigration for decades.
I do not recall anyone complaining about the situation, anywhere in the world, when the Aussies invented the idea. Now US protesters claim the US Holiday Inn version of the idea is evil?
The only accepted Dem outcome is everyone, who is not a violent criminal, be allowed to stay, with no regard to the permanent financial burdens placed on tax payers. Medicaid spending has increased 60% since 2019, per the WSJ. It must just be a coincidence that coincides with Dems purposefully dissolving the Southern border.
This is a non-starter. These people don't believe in borders or the concept of legal/illegal citizens. In fact, they think American citizens who oppose open borders should pack up and leave because 'colonialism'. If we can't even agree on first principles might as well have some fun. Hello: Alligator Alcatraz! 🐊
There is another option. Illegal immigrants can choose to self-deport by using the CBP Home Mobile App, which allows them to voluntarily notify the U.S. government of their intent to leave the country. This program offers incentives such as cost-free travel, a $1,000 exit bonus, and temporary de-prioritization from detention by ICE while they prepare to depart.
It is amazing that these groups whether the Dakota Access Pipeline to Alligator Alcatraz, all look exactly alike! Crappy signs, tons of trash, same ole tunes and just running on empty, since not one honk do you hear.
Seems most of these democrats do not have day jobs and can just travel around the country and protest. I would love to know who is providing the funding and organization required for these childish, never ending shit shows.
I think all of us understand that the problem is deeper than the protestors fronting the chaos. The Mayorkas/Soros NGO (Darien Gap) grift was international in scope. European culture/civil liberties have been destroyed and the Brussels perps behind the destruction are stepping up for the final throw down. As in the Netherlands seizure of American public lands is now on the table. Paid protestors? Consider a paid managerial elite and the surveillance apparatus (Palantir) that serves it. Mostly--as in the mass illegal importation of 20,000,000 people--paid for with American tax treasure. Meanwhile our Republic is in collapse and the economic looting continues.
It'll be amusing to see whether Rs or Ds can fundraise the most off of this enterprise. Also would be interesting to see photos of the detention centers of the Obama/Biden regimes for comparison, before the 'news' media quacks too much about Oświęcim.
I wish someone would quantify the environmental impacts of the mass immigration into the U.S. during the Biden years. I'm thinking about millions traveling thousands of miles and about the Darien Gap and how these people were kept hydrated in transit, etc. ... Critics should blame immigrants for anything they don't like about Alligator Alcatraz. They are the ones belong behind bars and if ICE hasn't caught them they can self-deport. If reports about the center scare illegals into leaving the country, that would be a win all the way around.
There are many points of view on this facility. But 8 days? Wow! We can’t schedule a planning session for a feasibility study in California in 8 days, no matter the goal or cause.
There is always a minority percentage of malcontents, mentally ill, refugees, criminals, and anarchists in the general population. The vast majority of them are Democrat activists who do not contribute to a healthy country, but always have time to protest.
The protestors pretend to be doing something, and the media pretends to care.
I assume Alligator Alcatraz would provide them a place to send every high profile illegal immigrant while a judge blocks their deportation, and also makes headlines for everyone in Central and South America to see and start scared rumors about.
It would be good for protesters to offer a specific plan to remediate or solve the issue they are protesting. The time for rampant resistance is ending. The time for practical, reasonable solution is beginning.
That's the rub. Immigration protesters and activists like Chavez Rodriguez and Bernal in the Biden White House want an open border. They don't want enforcement of any kind. That's destabilizing politically- see NY- and culturally. And see law enforcement. The United States cannot sustain it. You come in without due process you go out the same way. A particular bete noir for me are the "activists" or chronic "protesters" who come here from really crappy countries who become angry revolutionaries demanding "transformation" in the free United States. We should be more like them - failed states--and we should put the countries they came from before our own. Pound sand. That goes for second generation revolutionaries of which there appear to be many. If you don't like capitalism and if there are too many white people here for you then return to your blighted motherland.
This isn't a protest. These are saboteurs and they're armed and they're violent.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14877857/ice-detention-center-portland-oregon-crowd-storm-holding-cells.html
And funded by those opposed to Trump.There is a war being fought at the highest levels that is going unreported
They're
Due process isn't required for deportation generally. This was explained by the Supreme Court as long ago as Wong Wing. The logic is due process is required explicitly for deprivation of "life, liberty, or property" and visa revocation or deportation is none of those things. That's why deportation is a civil matter. The SC explained that if it's a criminal matter, that requires due process. And so deportation deriving from criminal charges requires the due process normal to criminal trial first.
That means Congress controls immigration and they have laws that require a process today. That ends up being plenty of due process, except for cases like expedited removal. The 1950's laws require an immigration judge to review all cases and there are other provisions. If you look at immigration courts, they are not like other courts - they are run under the Attorney General in the DoJ.
In pragmatic terms that means Trump administers the immigration courts. Judges are named to six-month terms which means that we're now at the point where every judge was picked by this admin. It's not going to be easy, still, but effectively 95% of asylum claims are going to get denied, those judges are going to continue to allow the dismissal of cases and summary deportation after same, etc.
The process will be very fast relative to the past for the next four years, though we'll see how fast is achievable.
What happens when they don't show?
Well, in the past they would get a lot of leeway under favorable immigration judges. You could probably show up a year later than a court date and they'd just wag a finger and forgive you.
Now, if they don't show, the newer judges think more like the current administration - so likely they dismiss the asylum claim and then you're deportable. Remember, most of the people out there are pending review of asylum claims. They need us to actively green light them, and the default is a red light and deportation. At least 70% of those were not approved even before 2021. With the surge to the border being caused by Biden signaling openness, rather than actual changes in conditions on the other side leading to real asylum needs, that means we're looking at 85-95% denials of asylum over next four years if you ask me.
Then you are deportable.
How easy it is to find you is another matter.
Thank you for that. Quite a few knowledgeable people said it would take forever --maybe they were trying to make political points. Let's hope it's expedited.
This case is a good one where SC summarized its early decisions on the matter, and also Harisades v Shaughnessy is worth a look.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/194/279/
I don't think we'll get through more than 2x what past administrations did, but it will be faster. That would be like a total of 3M in four years. Usually people were at closer to 1.5M for a four-year term.
Sabotage and violence are the proper responses to ICE. DHS and ICE are acting illegally and should be met with force.
Exterminate Steinberg
Just block him. Don't give him the pleasure.
LOL. Gimme your address, let's sort this out
ICE?
Yes, ICE should be abolished. Immigrants are what made America great. Open borders NOW!
You really think Bush and Cheney joined your party and you're going to end up looking smart for policies that 99% of the human race laughs at?
"You come in without due process, you go out the same way." Ooooh! I like that!
No constant flow of free stuff -produced and transported by and through capital investment and markets. Come to the U.S., get free capitalist stuff!
Trump’s BBB act will cut off the historical $ money flow from Federal government back to the States. Each governor will have to now decide what to fund, and what goes by the wayside. It’s likely a seismic shift. Read about it here:
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/complications-saturday-july-5-2025?triedRedirect=true
Coded message in the guise of a Racket comment? For your Kremlin handlers? Or just problems with the English language? Or language in general?
You're referring to the Ruzzians?
The United States already has a backlog of 3.5 million cases. Many of not most don't show up. Add to that some twelve million. Somebody estimated it would take an absolutely massive effort and dedication of court time and funds that would take 16 years for immigration hearings. And that's with a superhuman effort. New York spent over $7 billion dollars on housing immigrants in recent years. Millions from all over the globe are watching this and if they see that once you get in you can't be expelled, that's it, game over, we're through.
We're at a serious juncture here, such massive influxes can and will effect our form of government and policies --we're seeing that play out in New York and elsewhere, and something needs to be done.
Porous borders is what happened to Rome. We're well on our way. Riots under foreign flags are a hint. I think that's ugly.
Some states are amending laws to permit homeowners to more quickly evict squatters. Once again overcorrection allows squatters to stay in and wreck people's homes for weeks if not months. That's injustice. The same thing needs to be done with immigration. Due process needs to go both ways. If someone breaks into your house do you need due process to get them out? I do wish they would stop rounding up people like a gardener grandfather who has been here for years and focus on the last four years when a lot of damage was done. Especially the gangs who are in over 30 states, shaking down terrorized apartment dwellers, making one apartment house unsellable, the kinds of gangs that basically terrorize some countries below us, blackmailing and threatening journalists and politicians and killing them and their families. Those gangs.
The Democrats or whatever they really are nowadays are intent on holding up every. single. deportation even hardenef criminals. So good luck with due process. I think they have to change it to some form not unlike weddings of a thousand couples. Mass busting in, mass deportation hearings.
"Porous borders is what happened to Rome."
Really? Difficult to take you seriously if the above "thought" is indicative of your...thinking. Both Dunning and Kruger would like a word...
Oh golly, I cant read this.
You must be an American.
Brian, I hear you and I agree we need both sides of the argument to keep us honest. But here comes the big but. Start with the fact that we are trying to manage millions of completely unvetted migrants who are not in the country legally. At this point how many months has it been since Kristi Noem put the word out? They know they are here illegally. Self deport or you will be arrested, deported and forbidden from coming back. Seems to me they’ve made their choice and that choice is to avoid and ignore our laws while receiving as much money, health care and housing as they can all at the cost of the taxpayer. There is a reason why our immigration process is so difficult. The process was never designed to support 300,000 migrants in a month. Neither is the immigration court system set up for that kind of volume. The entire process under Biden was done intentionally to overwhelm the system leaving exactly the monumental problem we have now. All that aside we should not be taking in the world’s poor, or downtrodden or malcontents while we have our own poor and mentally disabled living on the streets. If someone wants due process then get your ass down to an immigration office and ask for help either starting the legal immigration process or self deporting. Waiting until we commit resources and money and put ICE agents at risk to round them up is not the time to decry due process.
Do the math on that one. It would take decades to remedy the problem. We need due process but streamlined. For instance, deportees could appeal from their home countries. We do this routinely with legal visa applicants.
I’m not sure I differ with you at all. In these due process discussions, advocates seem not to understand the difference between criminal due process (defense against prison or death) and administrative due process (defense against being sent back to your native country when you have no right to be here in the first place). In the latter case due process is exactly what Congress specifies and no more. Current rules are too slow and weaponized by partisan judges. This is making it impossible to rectify the nullification of immigration laws committed by the previous administration. The legal answer is for Congress to write new laws, but in these times there is an argument to be made that this is an emergency situation warranting streamlined action by the executive temporarily.
Anyone who comes here illegally has no interest in being an American, they have an interest in taking advantage of America. As far as I'm concerned, summary deportation without a hearing *IS* the humanitarian option.
Your argument is sort of like the cops being called to a robbery in progress, and apon arrival while at the front door, a guy wearing a ski mask comes bolting out the door holding OPM, gold, jewelry, etc, straight into a bunch of cops. Should he get due process? Certainly he should! But he knows he's a thief, every cop standing there knows he's a thief, and Justice, before walking into the courtroom knows he's a thief. So, what's your point?
You are correct. This stupid bandit is an American citizen, a criminal but a citizen. Due process…check! But if you know you’re here illegally, and you know ICE is looking for people like you then you are walking around with the roulette pistol aimed right at your temple. It’s just a matter of time. And please spare me the alligator tears when you get caught.
Let’s talk about due process. For these illegals due process means they have to prove whatever reason for asylum they claimed when then entered the country. Asylum is their only recourse because otherwise they should have come through a normal point of entry and applied for citizenship. For that process to begin that person has to be vetted. A person applying for citizenship will be able to give some basic information about where they lived, education etc. As a thought exercise consider this. Take a thirty day period. There was months where 300,000 were coming into the country. Majorkas claimed that they were all vetted. We know thats bullshit for at least two reasons. First they let in known criminals, gang members, spies and the list goes on. Some very bad people who dipshits like Mr Pillar want to protect. Thats called suicidal empathy by the way. Secondly in a month where 300,000 people, discounted 30 percent for kids (who we have no idea if they’re traveling with their own parents) that leaves 270,000 to vet. Do the math. Immigration officers would have about 60-90 seconds to vet someone. And thats why we have the mess we have. Vetting on the border required a name, a pocket to put your atm card and bus or plane ticket in. Had actual vetting been a requirement the numbers flooding across the border would have been significantly smaller as I suspect maybe 5 percent would have gotten in. Illegals are throwing away their US issued ID card after getting past the border. They don’t need that ID anymore they have their own setup. So how do we vet those people. Its impossible. Do we keep them in jail until we can vet them? This mess is costing the taxpayer gazillions of wasted money. And by the way no one profits. Free from the govt is still taxpayer money. The rules have been established. You try to avoid your responsibilities as a visitor to this nation and you’re caught then out you go. If you’re a criminal that came here to propagate a criminal enterprise then South Sudan here you come. South Sudan was the best idea ever. It reminds me of the early days of the war in Afghanistan. Threatening a captured Al Qaeda prisoner with transfer to Gitmo would make some sing like canaries. I hope the thought of being sent to Sudan or El Salvador because your own home nation wont take you back is a wake up call. We haven’t even spoken of the over 300,000 kids who came across the boarder and are now missing. No one wants to talk about that. When you have mass illegal immigration the only rational answer is mass deportation. It’s not our fault they lied about who they are, their own countries don’t want them back or they convinced themselves they could game the system. Now we have illegals waving their home flags in protest because of bleeding heart liberals who hate Trump. Whats is also very comical for me is the number of videos of both Clintons and Obama saying exactly what Trump is saying now. If you’re here illegally you will be arrested and deported. When Trump says it people convulse and peacefully destroy millions of dollars worth of buildings, police cars and other people’s property. But remember MAGA is the enemy of the real. WTF does that even mean?
They needed votes and they were too stupid to win an election, and completely disconnected from humanity, so they crossed their fingers and opened the border. Thank God it didn't work!
Most cops are frustrated when they are obliged by law to exercise restraint or principle.
Okay, but the system is built to quickly dispose of the case. The thief would never see a courtroom unless he's an idiot, or...
Let's say he's just a guy who was dressed for the cold, the money and jewels were his and he was rushing down to pawn them. He's in big trouble and he's gonna spend some time behind bars before it gets worked out. It's unfortunate, but that's how the system works.
So, ICE grabs what they believe to be an illegal and the person cannot immediately substantiate their legal status - guess what? They're going to jail! Sadly, that jail may be in El Salvador, or they may ultimately end up back in their own country, but that's how the system works. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. The system isn't perfect. It cannot grind to a halt because a of a few aberrant cases, nor can it just blindly believe anyone that says they're here legally.
This scenario assumes that ICE is just out walking the streets willy nilly hunting for illegals. Not happening. There is always a warrant or two or three or more at the core of targeted raids.
The key point in your scenario is “ICE believes” the person to be here illegally. Who’s going to check to make sure that ICE’s belief had any facts to support it, especially while that person is in jail in another country? What happens when, as has happened often during the Trump Administration, ICE grabs a citizen or legal resident? That’s like the cops arresting the store owner instead of the thief.
No one is a criminal by decree of ICE or the cops. The government has to present a sufficient number facts to a competent tribunal and that tribunal can then conclude that the person on trial broke the law. That’s why we presume innocence and make the state prove their case.
What you describe is tyranny. ICE grabs anyone they think is inconvenient, ships them off to a third world torture prison, and then demands that that person prove their case while locked up thousands of miles away. Think of all the infrastructure required to present a case in court. None of those things are going to be available to a citizen deported to El Salvador.
The system you want, and that Trump is creating, differs only in a small degree from Nazi Germany and is definitely headed in that direction. Eventually it will hurt you or someone you care about. Try to think about that before you get so happy about seeing people locked up in cages.
Rent a crowd
That is why the Dems are starting to feel short on cash. The crowds are expensive.
George Soros major Democrat donor
I think it is now Alexander Soros (real last name Schwartz, was changed by his grandfather) who chairs the Board of Directors of the Open Society Foundations. A couple of weeks ago he married Pant Suit's favorite female, Huma Abedin.
Yes, he will come through for the Dem, as many corporations are stepping back while T is in office.
I think the Dems are a lost cause and a new liberal Marxist party will appear to challenge MAGA because the Dems have no credibility and Barrack Obama has been exposed as the man behind Biden
I think you are right as the current political powers (WEF/bankers) are not getting what they want from the current dems in congress.
The decades spent transforming gov and conditioning the dem voters can't just be swept aside, there will be doubling down.
I like to hope that it is close but ever so far away if the MAGA movement continues on with Vance.
Barrack the socialist told everyone in 2008 who and what he was. Dem's had decades of conditioning so were all onboard.
Still living on the moon?
Soros is a billionaire globalist
Look up his real name He's a Hungarian Jew
they’re out of money because USAID is gone. the NGOs can’t launder tax money to the DNC anymore.
South Park did one episode where people were protesting something, and a guy's sign and chant was for something else. A protester stopped him and he said, "Oh! What are we protesting?" Then flipped through a few pages on his sign found the right one, and began chanting with the rest.
Can you please describe for me how one rents a crowd? I have heard this assertion many times but no one has ever demonstrated how it works or shown evidence supporting the conclusion that a process for hiring crowds exists.
Please, link to an ad in Variety or the website of a talent agency that specializes in such things. How does one pursue a career as a protestor?
https://crowdsondemand.com/ is one organization that'll do it.
Protesters will definitely offer an alternative solution-but only if the words rhyme and can be chanted in 4/4.
Most of the protesters don't even know why they are there. Some of them might have opinions but if you really talked to them, you'd quickly realize they are arguing for less salt at a Pepper convention....
And what is the issue that the solution to it is political graft and cruelty?
How is it any more cruel than any other prison? Take a tour sometime.
More men than women are raped in US prisons.
Cruelty is the point.
Having it wide open like this not only allows for the guards to see everything, but it's environmentally better for the (temporary) inmates. Remember, this is a HOLDING cell. This is where they are housed before being sent home.
Sounds like they have animals in the right place.
Nah.
That's messed up.
We should at least make an effort to rehabilitate people, and protect the prisoners from each other.
Those who cannot control their impulses should be prevented from hurting anyone else -- including fellow prisoners.
So you support rape? Good to know. Hope you don't have children.
I don't see any difference between them and you.
Hardly. The point is enforcement of law, a legitimate societal interest.
For one thing, thé people locked up in there have never been convicted of any crime.
That is patently false. Many were already convicted either in the US or in their home countries before coming here illegally. Go look up what happens when you sneak into ANY other country in the world. This is tame. You do NOT want to be stuck in a Mexican Prison, for any reason. And... ILLEGAL means just that. There have been numerous warnings and declarations about their status, along with generous offers to self-deport with a plane ticket and $1,000. The people being sent to Florida are mostly hardened criminals. Maybe you can take one of them in...
As a comparison, Illegally entering most countries on earth results in much worse consequences. And if you are here Illegally, you are not owed Due Process, since you did not follow Due Process to enter. The rules for entering the US and for citizenship are very clear. There is no reason for the citizens of the US to shoulder the burdens of 7 Billion people from the rest of the world.
Here you go:
Illegally entering another country can result in a range of penalties, depending on the country and the circumstances of the entry. Deportation or removal is a common final outcome, often accompanied by additional punishments such as fines, imprisonment, or detention. Here are some examples of what can happen:
In India, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for 2 to 8 years and a fine, while entering without a passport or with forged documents can result in up to 3 months' imprisonment, a fine, or both.
In China, penalties vary from imprisonment, criminal detention, or public surveillance, along with fines. Foreigners may also face deportation.
In Indonesia, illegal entry can result in a fine and/or imprisonment for up to one year or five years, depending on the severity of the violation.
In Japan, illegal entrants may face imprisonment for up to 3 years and/or a fine, followed by deportation.
In Germany, illegal entry can result in up to 1 year of imprisonment or a fine, though no criminal charges are filed if the person immediately presents themselves to authorities and applies for asylum.
In France, illegal entry can result in up to 1 year of imprisonment and/or a fine, while illegal reentry can carry a penalty of up to 3 years.
In Canada, while unlawful entry is not explicitly criminalized, most violators are typically deported or ordered to leave, though fines and imprisonment for 6 months or 2 years may apply depending on the nature of the offense.
In South Korea, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for up to 5 years or a fine, followed by deportation.
In Russia, penalties include imprisonment or correctional labor for up to 2 years or a fine, with stricter punishments for those whose presence is forbidden or for group entries.
In Iran, illegal entry can result in discretionary imprisonment for 1 to 3 years or a fine, though pending legislation may exempt asylum seekers from punishment.
In Bangladesh, illegal entry can lead to imprisonment for up to 5 years and a fine.
In many countries, asylum seekers may be exempt from punishment if they claim refugee status upon arrival and meet specific conditions. However, those who reenter illegally or are repeat offenders often face harsher penalties. Additionally, even after paying fines or serving sentences, individuals are typically deported and may face re-entry bans, which can last for years or even be permanent.
‘Many’ isn’t all, ànd you have therefore admitted that there are innocent people locked up in that place. As for the rest of your bullshit, the fact that other prisons in other countries might be worse doesn’t justify this one. Our laws are better. You just hate immigrants because you are a bad person.
and you have lived up to your name. Why do you go to bat for criminals? It's not "bullshit" even if you decide to call it that. I don't hate "immigrants." I'm married to one. I despise people who want to jump the line and come in illegally and take advantage of American generosity. The amount of freebies these people got was unconscionable while our Veterans suffered. Do better, Karen. Ad hominem attacks only show you don't have an argument. I have NOT admitted there are innocent people locked up.
Do you have ANY awareness of what cartel members do to their victims? Or how a person "joins" a Tren de Aragua gang or an MS 13 gang? It's vile and horrific. Maybe look that up before you step up to "save" these people. I've seen it. I've been to the border. I've visited the prisons. I've read the crime reports. Have you? I guarantee if you did, you would not sleep at night.
You can say that about any detention center housing immigrants. Not unusual, not cruel.
That is a question, but not a solution. Graft and cruelty are human pathologies that ruin any efforts at human betterment. So maybe protesting is a waste. We all know about graft and cruelty.
And IIRC, this is a DETENTION CENTER. That is, it's not a PRISON per se. They are there for a short time and will be sent back home or wherever. Prisons morph into their own pathology over time. It looks like people won't be there long enough for that to happen. I could be wrong.
How long would you live in a cage without air conditioning in Florida in the summer?
Again, a solution to what?
The time for funded protests is waning
Because the funding is drying up. And once Soros, Sr. passes away, little Alex will not have the stones to keep things going. It's all reflexive for him. Not a life long passion like his evil Daddy.
Globalism: When level corruption isn't enough
When has top down rule ever caused problems?
You would think people would want a solution! But in my experience, they don't. They want someone else to fix it for them without any effort on their part. For example, I wrote the book End Politics Now (https://a.co/d/hN7LzlC) with the first practical solution to the political divide. I could understand it if people read the book and disagreed or had a better idea. It even has an implementation plan. But most people aren't interested in an actual solution. Maybe someday people will want one but I'm not sure anymore that that's human nature.
A solution would end their fun..............
The problem was a lack of voters; open borders was the solution. They don't have another solution because their ideas aren't selling.
From your lips to God's ears.
Betsy: The plan should be to show some generosity and forgiveness and let the illegals stay in the country. Yes, make the borders as difficult to trespass as possible from now on, but what's done is done. The vast majority of illegals are gainfully employed at low level jobs that natural-born Americans don't want and are contributing to the economy. Most have spouses and kids. They're not serial killers and dog eaters. Trump and Stephen Miller's grand plan to rip hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, most of them poor and working class, out of the communities in which they live, is going to have dire consequences for the soul of this country, making it into one as horribly callous and brutish Trump and Miller are themselves. God knows how cruelly we will begin treating other vulnerable populations as this process progresses.
That is patently false, Hugh. And a bit patronizing. You clearly get all your talking points from MSDNC and don't have up front and close interaction. The ones going to Florida are proven gang members, rapists, multiple offenders, cartel members, and drug runners. Dredged from the worst of the worst in all the countries where O'Biden scraped them from.
Give me your data source for your statement about the "vast majority." Prove me wrong about your lie that "natural born Americans" don't want those jobs. That lie was smashed when hundreds of people showed up to apply for jobs after an ICE raid.
And, sorry, actually the Haitians WERE capturing pets and eating them. That happens all over the world. In fact, last week was the Yulin Dog Meat festival in China. https://www.four-paws.org/our-stories/press-releases/june-2020/dog-meat-festival-takes-place-in-china-despite-new-regulation-that-protects-dogs
I had a neighbor from the Caribbean once who was disgusted with the way Americans "worship their pets" as his opinion was they are only for food.
And no matter how you slice it, there are rules in every. single. country for entry. If you did not use Due Process to come in, you don't get Due process to be kicked out. There are 7 Billion people in the world. Why do natural citizens of America have to carry the weight of the world? Why don't these people "looking for a better life" challenge their own governments the way we did in 1776 and take their rightful countries back. If you are so intent on making the world "fair" for everyone, go to their home countries and fix it.
Ok, hear me out: Stop putting rapists in prison. They raped someone in the past, but they're not raping anyone right now, are they? And they're mostly peaceful. They spend less than 1% of their time raping. Plus they have jobs, so they contribute to the economy, many of them have families. Putting rapists in prison is just callous and brutish, surely we can do better.
BS.
There are Americans who would do those jobs -- at higher pay, of course.
Employers don't want that, though, because illegal aliens are cheaper, and more compliant.
Yes, many have spouses and children who are being supported by US taxpayers.
Trump is scapegoating the illegals. Many Americans are justifiably angry about the direction this country has taken. Instead of addressing those concerns head on, Trump uses diversionary tactics, such as mass deportations of people, most of whom are poor and working class and have no voice in Washington. It takes the focus off the decision makers at the top, the ones in government, business, and banking who are responsible for our endless wars, the massive outflow of jobs overseas over the years, economic inequality, and our appalling national debt. It's so much easier to get tough with people who have no power. It's very telling that Trump has not made a show of concern for the victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters. Again, most of them are poor and working class. It's telling too that the biggest cuts to his beautiful budget are the ones to Medicaid. In Trumpworld, the rich get tax cuts and deregulation and the poor get the shaft.
No, Trump is not scapegoating anyone. I grew up working class, and I am tired of paying taxes to support people who entered the country illegally, and who receive preferences in employment, education, and affordable housing over my family and myself. You say they "have no voice in Washington," but why should they? They entered the country illegally.
Agree that we have many other problems, but we voted for mass deportations, and your assertion that Trump is using these as a diversion is absurd. Weren't you paying attention to the campaign?
I have no idea what you are referring to with "victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters."
Check the facts: those tax cuts benefit all of us, not only the wealthy. They were due to expire, which would have put me in a world of hurt -- and I am far from wealthy.
Victims of our accelerating climate-related disasters are those communities slammed by hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and wildfires. The number of those disasters has risen sharply in the last couple of decades. Time and again, it has been poor communities hit hardest by those disasters. They should be a number-one priority of our federal government--people harmed by events completely out of heir control--as should doing everything we can to stop climate change.
I'm not suggesting that there be an increase in taxes on you. It is the tax cuts to the wealthy that should expire. Are you not tired of all the U.S. government, particularly the Republican Party, does to be benefit the rich?
Tornadoes, hurricanes, wildfires, etc., have always happened. People are building homes where they should not. And yes, the climate is always changing. With the exception of a couple of "little ice ages" it's been getting warmer for 12,000 years.
The climate has always changed, Hugh.
Agree that people in Lahaina & NC should have received more assistance.
I don’t care about tax cuts for the wealthy. I care about tax cuts for the working/middle class. I do not live my life in a constant state of resentment and envy at those who have more than I do.
I am concerned when the government works with Big Pharma, Big Tech, and giant corporations to hurt the working/middle class, like they did during Covid. Forcing small, “non essential” businesses to shut down, while allowing larger businesses to stay open was unconscionable.
Of course they don't have a voice in Washington. They are illegal aliens. If they want a voice in a country, they can have one in their own.
He holds a consistent position that climate change is a fraud. On this one, it isn't one of many other issues where he flips back and forth on or waffles, like vaccinations.
What does he believe in? I often think he has no core beliefs at all - other than believing it's important for him to be powerful, and important for him to not be weak. Maybe he's for peace, truly? I don't think he wants a world war - he knows, like everyone else knows, that nobody wins a WW III. But he seems to like and enjoy ordering an occasional explosion or bombing and then seeing that it happened. With no lives lost, of course. Or only bad people losing lives.
Of course he believes climate change is a fraud. He gets gobs of campaign cash from the oil and gas industry. Follow the money. Trump values two things in life: money and winning. He decided to bomb Iran because he was manipulated by the hawks in Congress into believing it was a winning issue and would boost his poll numbers.
I will certainly say I'm cynical enough about Trump to not trust him. There may be some very small pieces of humanity deep inside that dark heart. But they aren't enough.
Shame is a humanizing human characteristic. The fact that he completely rejects shame - what does that say about his character and his soul?
Yes I agree totally. But If we don't address the cause of all of this, we will have served the purpose of what can only be called at best, the heartless men who play God with humanity. Trump, imv, is not one of them, but an agent of the Light who stands amidst the evil and hopes to show its face to the rest of us so that WE will turn away from it and realize half who we are as one humanity. See: https://thefutureofhumanity.substack.com/p/open-borders-or-open-hearts.
I honestly hope you are joking about Trump, Betsy. To paraphrase Woody Allen, if Jesus Christ were to return to Trump's America, he wouldn't be able to stop throwing up.
Consider carefully. No one can tell you what to think. Think for yourself.
Jeepers, Brian B. I'm sorry I upset you. I mean all my comments impersonally. Well done on the outrage, however. Point taken :)
Well said. I'm not betting a penny on it happening.
Well I peed in the woods when I was 2. Never did the rock. We carried shit paper, but maybe I’ll give it a try. There is a big difference in standing up for what you believe and demanding to be right. I could say the same about you. The only issue I have is your belief that if the police merely think you’re a bad guy they can put you in jail for a long time. Like I said earlier, I respect your right to believe and say what you want. I am not obligated to believe or even respect your beliefs only your right to have them. Nothing to own here. Glad we could get this worked out. Time to move on.
How wrong you are.
Gnomon Pillar: What is the "real" that you say MAGA is the enemy of? Caveat: I don't consider myself MAGA.
Reminds me of the old joke about getting a mule to obey by hitting it up alongside the ears with a two-by-four -- just to get its attention ...
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/crosby040502.asp
It’s so tedious watching these whiny wannabe protesters appear with their tired “hey hey, ho ho” slogans every time the rule of law is enforced
. Of course, they never bother to articulate THEIR version of a just immigration policy. Open borders? Food stamps for illegal felons? Rights equivalent to those of U.S. citizens? When did we vote to become the taxpayer funded repository for all the people whose countries are failed states, mostly due to policies like those advocated by these semi professional protesters?
Tedious is the cogent word. For those of us who were in college in the late 60s when protests were new, seeing old people dusting off their 60s “hey-hos” is tedious and a bit pathetic. Our generation has left future generations with debt and unrealistic expectations that governments will take care of us. This entitled, victim stance dooms its adherents to lives of protest and misery.
Absolutely! Individuals will NEVER get anything out of life playing the victim.
one thing they never chant is "hey hey ho ho it’s off to work we go"
You just won “Best Comment of the Week”!!!
thank you a real compliment when among stars like the commenters on this page
Hysterical!
Wrong. I have worked since I was 15. I work at 61 and still “hey Ho.” Your “never” is what makes cruelty easy. Distance and assumptions are the real lazy problem.
Walter and Matt, you guys should bring back the Comment of the Week just for this
Little people, please…🕴️
Some of those failed states are due to piggish US military interventions so we owe these refugees from our regime change wars something. Of course American pigs, both liberals and conservatives, continue the slaveowning, rapist, racist traditions of our floundering fathers.
LOL
The largest number of illegals comes from Mexico. NAFTA was a disaster for many Mexicans as agricultural jobs declined, agricultural exports suffered from American competition, and wages stagnated, leaving those outside the manufacturing zones impoverished. Eventually, many factories also closed, adding to the problem. Not exactly regime change, but certainly NAFTA was a net loss for both Mexican and American workers. Trump was right to end it.
Most people don't know this, but Mexico has the world's 12th largest economy. Hardly a basket case.
The DNC/Soros/Mayorkas NGO grift lined the pockets of their political operatives with tax largesse--and as intended--created chaos while diverting attention from the actual serious problems facing citizens of our Republic. The perps continue to flout--at the expense of deserving Americans--actual immigration law. The American treasury continues to bleed and state and federal insiders continue to line their pockets.
Why? Because oikophobia sells. The surveillance machine and the managerial elite it serves used illegal immigration to destroy Europe, strip her people of civil liberties and bring down Western culture.
Why is American infrastructure in collapse? Why can't little Jane and Johnny read? How is it that American industrial cities are gutted? Because--as in Europe We the People (Black/White/Brown/Red/Yellow) are being colonized and replaced through mass forced illegal migration. The perps want uneducated disposable labor and access to all natural resources for personal gain and access without oversight or consequence. It's not something else.
Love yourself. Love your Republic. Depart the psyop and live.
No we don't. What we owe the world is to stop the ClownsInAmerica from doing regime change. If you think it was "The United States" that did those military interventions, then you are listening to too much garbage TV. Every single time that happens, it's not the US. It's the Deep State. It's the Rockefellers and their ilk using our Intelligence agencies to do their bidding. It's the neocons who make money on the transfers of power, who launder money through our AID.
This is why we are so happy about killing USAID. Whistleblowers have said that only around 2% of that money was used for AID. Most was bribes, laundering, and paying for corruption.
Frankly, your insults about the brave men who founded this country tells me you really need to move to another country, because you don't get it.
***Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?***
***Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.***
***They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.***
***What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.***
Read more:https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/what-happened-to-our-founding-fathers.4069419/
Mexico? Central America? Cuba? Venezuela? India? Iran? Come on Barry, try harder.
Your comment about America "continuing the slaveowning, rapist and racist traditions..." doesn't deserve a response. Renew your passport. It's a big world out there, and someone will value your perspective. Somewhere.
Iran in 1953 and 1979, two major coups. Perhaps this will bring you up to date on the hundreds of US military interventions including those in almost all the countries you questioned. You can call names and shut down discussion with your personal.prejudices but history cannot be shut down. Ignored but not shut down. https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html
Iran in 1979? I don’t think so.
Most are not refugees. You are a DO? 😂
Barry...look into reductionist and motivated reasoning. Not everything is a cartoon, my boy.
Always "our" fault.
Never yours.
I wouldn't mind so much if you kept it all to yourself, but you think sharing is virtuous.
Perhaps since we worked so hard failing those states, ruining their homes, their lives and leaving them desperate. @Il n’y point d’effet sans cause”.
C'est vrai, mais la raison en est l'echec de leurs propres gouvernments, pas nous.
Tuna fish pas?
Please remind the protesters that drug cartels made literally billions trafficking illegals here and are largely responsible for dumping the worst humans in our country. Why is it we never see protesters condemning the cartels?
Because the cartels are funding the protests. Just like the urban gangs are behind the defund the police movement. And Iran is paying for the whole “Free Palestine” bullshit. And upwardly mobile socialists looking to buy expensive houses drove “Black Lives Matter.”
Whenever I see an obviously inorganic “movement” I ask myself “who would benefit most if they got their way?”
Cynicism is my superpower.
So true. The cartel mafias have long taken over what is left of markets in Mexico. Now they’re here collecting a percentage on illegal laborers and rent, stash houses and cash equivalent Snap cards.
Cartel cash and spook land ops have long been merged. Ask Gary Webb or Freeway Ricky Ross. (Is anti-racism the new communism?)
This was an outstanding idea by our Florida Governor. This is deterrence times 10, much like self protection, for example you don’t have to use the 44 magnum you carry, the punk just has to know you have it. I know that all of our great people at ICE have set up a hospitable holding facility, beds, blankets, porto-John’s, and food service. It is the image that the great Florida Attorney General has conveyed that is going to persuade a lot of illegal aliens to go back where they came from. Congratulations to all involved in this endeavor, this is what America has needed for a long time, politics s that say what they are going to do and then do it….
https://youtu.be/2y3J46DhoL0?si=aV7aPhFl-UvcyT-7
This is hardly a new idea. For decades Australians have sent illegal migrants to snake and mosquito infested island compounds, surrounded by saltwater crocs, to await adjudication of their asylum claims.
Lacking AC, it does not take long for migrants to request an immediate ride back to their country of origin. It saves Australians the cost, hassle and bad PR of mass deportations. The system has acted as a deterrent to illegal immigration for decades.
I do not recall anyone complaining about the situation, anywhere in the world, when the Aussies invented the idea. Now US protesters claim the US Holiday Inn version of the idea is evil?
The only accepted Dem outcome is everyone, who is not a violent criminal, be allowed to stay, with no regard to the permanent financial burdens placed on tax payers. Medicaid spending has increased 60% since 2019, per the WSJ. It must just be a coincidence that coincides with Dems purposefully dissolving the Southern border.
This is a non-starter. These people don't believe in borders or the concept of legal/illegal citizens. In fact, they think American citizens who oppose open borders should pack up and leave because 'colonialism'. If we can't even agree on first principles might as well have some fun. Hello: Alligator Alcatraz! 🐊
There is another option. Illegal immigrants can choose to self-deport by using the CBP Home Mobile App, which allows them to voluntarily notify the U.S. government of their intent to leave the country. This program offers incentives such as cost-free travel, a $1,000 exit bonus, and temporary de-prioritization from detention by ICE while they prepare to depart.
Didn't know that. Thanks.
saw a news article the other day, already more than a million have departed using the app
Just ignore the noise and keep going about your business. That is all these protestors are: annoying noise.
It is amazing that these groups whether the Dakota Access Pipeline to Alligator Alcatraz, all look exactly alike! Crappy signs, tons of trash, same ole tunes and just running on empty, since not one honk do you hear.
Seems most of these democrats do not have day jobs and can just travel around the country and protest. I would love to know who is providing the funding and organization required for these childish, never ending shit shows.
I think all of us understand that the problem is deeper than the protestors fronting the chaos. The Mayorkas/Soros NGO (Darien Gap) grift was international in scope. European culture/civil liberties have been destroyed and the Brussels perps behind the destruction are stepping up for the final throw down. As in the Netherlands seizure of American public lands is now on the table. Paid protestors? Consider a paid managerial elite and the surveillance apparatus (Palantir) that serves it. Mostly--as in the mass illegal importation of 20,000,000 people--paid for with American tax treasure. Meanwhile our Republic is in collapse and the economic looting continues.
never an air shot to see the total #s of attendees. Scope is important, Come on Ford
Drones are cheap as shit now too…
Exactly!
It'll be amusing to see whether Rs or Ds can fundraise the most off of this enterprise. Also would be interesting to see photos of the detention centers of the Obama/Biden regimes for comparison, before the 'news' media quacks too much about Oświęcim.
I wish someone would quantify the environmental impacts of the mass immigration into the U.S. during the Biden years. I'm thinking about millions traveling thousands of miles and about the Darien Gap and how these people were kept hydrated in transit, etc. ... Critics should blame immigrants for anything they don't like about Alligator Alcatraz. They are the ones belong behind bars and if ICE hasn't caught them they can self-deport. If reports about the center scare illegals into leaving the country, that would be a win all the way around.
There are many points of view on this facility. But 8 days? Wow! We can’t schedule a planning session for a feasibility study in California in 8 days, no matter the goal or cause.
And Alligator Alcatraz merch? Oh you Florida Man!
You meant 8 yrs, right? Wait until the commandant takes over housing in NYC.
There is always a minority percentage of malcontents, mentally ill, refugees, criminals, and anarchists in the general population. The vast majority of them are Democrat activists who do not contribute to a healthy country, but always have time to protest.
The protestors pretend to be doing something, and the media pretends to care.
I assume Alligator Alcatraz would provide them a place to send every high profile illegal immigrant while a judge blocks their deportation, and also makes headlines for everyone in Central and South America to see and start scared rumors about.