No one you fucking fascist idiot. YOUR side has Bezos, Thiel, the Koch Bros and the rest of the actual evil billionaires. My side has the people, you have the oligarchs. No matter how much you lie about it, you are on the side of evil.
Yeah, I don’t think your side has “the people”. You have a handful of useless (to society) misfits who have no contributing factors other than to be moronic war elephants who charge in whatever direction they’re pointed when your incompetent leaders slap their fat asses from the shadows.
Karen is a Karen. Rushing to judgment. I looked at her substack, and she doesn't even take the time to check the spelling in her headings. Slow down, Karen. Step back. Breath. Look beyond the buzzwords you've been fed.
I much prefer Nazis being humiliated and driven from all forms of public existence. You — and I am calling you a Nazi — can repent and join the opposition to Trump or die alone of natural causes. (You are also welcome to join your heroes Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, and Goering. )
I don’t want anyone to ruin her life by killing the likes of you or Trump.
These Governors overseeing and doing nothing about criminals are making bad choices. They want citizens to interfere with federal officers and do they expect the citizens of their states to violate their laws also? They are ginning their citizens up to harm ICE officers!
Karen, you are as deluded as the toddlers and teenagers at the protest. Did you see the one dressed up like Cinderella? All progressives are apparently ignorant of American history & think that the American citizens want the country flooded with illegals who have NO RIGHT to be in this country and who are frequently on public assistance, which the AMERICAN TAXPAYER pays for. You are no more the party of the people than Hitler was. I know all of you are stupid about history since you don't realize that NAZI was the National Socialist party.....you may not like him, but Hitler was on your side lefty. You know, the type who censors and cancels speech and viewpoints and PEOPLE (Kirk) they don't like bc "speech is violence." Tata snowflake, you're done.
You are so juvenile and unkind and unserious. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence, seriousness, or integrity, says things like “all progressives are….”.
Or considers that someone dresses as Cinderella at a protest is a salient fact.
Illegal immigrants do not receive federal benefits. The left did not censor Charlie Kirk. The encroachment on free speech by this administration pales in comparison to anything we’ve seen in the history of the United States.
You are not a serious person if you think illegal immigrants do not receive federal benefits. Where are they living? Where do their children go to school? This video is just a Republican campaign ad.
All that person needs to do is google how much tax money is spent on medical care for illegals...and that's just for starters....then there are the benefits and how to game the system, taught by the NGOs who recruit them. They then work under the table snd send so much money back to where their native countries in remittances. For Mexico, remittences are about 136B off the top of my head, as I recall. India remittences are about 194B. These people lower the pay for Americans and build houses for extended family in their native countries.
Been hanging around immigrants for over 40 years. Dated a Honduran immigrant for 10 years. Up close and personal look at what goes on.
And yet she IS dressed in a Cinderella costume and carrying a poster about that too, so I'd call it salient. I am definitely no juvenile, absolutely serious & a very nice person. If Karen wants to spew hate, I can speak back to it, as can you. The reason most of us think "all progressives" are in your words, lacking a modicum of intelligence, seriousness, or integrity, is BC WE HAVE SEEN it played out over the last 10 years as you all rioted and looted and opened the border and gave tax dollars away to people who don't deserve or qualify for them, raised crime to obscene levels and let the perps walk to go rape & kill again, forced kids out of school, mandated unsafe & untested vaxes that KILLED a lot of people,all while you called all of us Racists,Sexists, Homophobes, Transphobes, White Christian Nationalists, Fascists, Nazis, Hitler!!!!! Do you think we watch the MSM and are as indoctrinated into lies that all of you are with a Matrix hose hooked up to your neck? We have watched & learned that the Clinton/Obama/Biden clique despises their fellow citizens and will in fact kill them for political differences. You are just as stupid as Karen is. It'd be great if all of you would simply follow through & move to Canada.
Stop hyperventilating. Yes, they receive benefits, all progressives are unhinged, it's built into your belief system which is as shallow as your minds.
Howling laughing!!! yes, we WILL beat you with our experience, bc we're NOT idiots like you who can't reason & grapple with ideas outside of your bubble. Wowser, Karen, you're a LOT worse than last year.
You are willing to destroy this country ànd all its most precious liberties because you can’t stand to ‘press one for English.’ You are like all Trumpers nothing but àn ignorant bigot
Wow just wow. I pray for your sake that you’re just a headbanger, just here for the giggles while you spew unbridled hate at everyone except your fellow lefty lunatics and that it’s all a game to you. Just a provocateur. Bc if you actually think people who have different opinions than you want to kill you, you need really serious help. Stop smoking weed all the time and get counseling!!
English, whether the ACLU likes it or not, is and always has been a single language English speaking country. There is no reason why one foreign language should have preference with a "press 2" ability....there are plenty of other immigrants here who are not Spanish speakers. By allowing facilitation of communication for a selected other language, all it does is continue the trend of non-assimilation...without assimilation, there is no country....without a commonly spoken language, there is no country...without any shared commonality, other than being of the same species, there is no country....but, that's the goal, isn't it? Destroy the countries of the western world?
You really are an idiot. There was a thriving Yiddish language theater and newspaper industry in New York up until the middle 20th century. German was almost as common as English in Texas and parts of the midwest until Woodrow Wilson encouraged stupid laws banning the language. North America has NEVER been exclusively Anglophone and mostly not even predominantly so.
You seem so smart! You can't even tell the difference between the Nationalist Socialist party and communists.
Yeah, Hitler was a real lefty. Especially when he was imprisoning communists, Catholics, professors, Jews and anyone who did not bend the knee to the Nazi party.
As I recall, the nazis and the communists decided between themselves which would be "right" and which would be "left" but, in the scheme of things, they are basically one and the same and the fringes of both sides meet where the circle is completed.
“If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?”
“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.... Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.”
20th-century liberalism is dead and has been replaced by 21st-century postliberal tribalism as orchestrated by our reigning dictatorship of the algorithms.
You want to kill ME. Just admit you hate the existence of anyone who disagrees with you ànd we can àt least fight as honorable enemies Instead of you lying about your intentions.
I think you’re mistaken and full of anger. I wish you well.
Our hero—though frankly, I didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk until shortly before he was murdered and a lot of what I thought I knew was wrong—our hero was killed for his views expressed in open debate.
He would put his mic down, let the other guy go at it, then answer. Then put his mic down, and so forth.
We want to argue for what we think is right. Nazis let their violence do the talking.
You want to kill us. We are defending ourselves. If you surrender unconditionally ànd agree to abandon all aspects ànd opinions of Trumpism snd promise never to engage in any form of public life including voting again you will be safe.
Projection. You're the one demanding total ideological conformity. Go outside. Smell some roses. Pet a friendly dog, cat, or other domesticated companion animal to your preference. Build a sand-castle.
At this point, I have to conclude that you're either a spoof or are in need of some kind of counseling.
Please elucidate the following:
1.) What do you stand for? What are you proposing? What form of government and economy do you want? What kind of social order, if any, or none, do you want? Do you reject the US Constitution? Do you have a replacement? What are you advocating for? That is, in contrast to just calling everyone with a putatively differing opinion a nazi or fascist (without defining either term, of course) what do you propose?
2.) "We are defending ourselves"....?!?!? Please give examples of all the "violence" [sic?] you are experiencing. In the last few weeks, there have been attacks on Catholic school-children in Minneapolis and the murder of a man engaging in civil debate (Charlie Kirk), an attack on a federal agency (e.g., ICE in Dallas). Then there were two assassination attempts on Donald Trump prior to the election 2024. What are you defending yourself against?
3.) "If you surrender unconditionally ànd agree to abandon all aspects ànd opinions of Trumpism snd promise never to engage in any form of public life including voting again you will be safe."
That's a threat. What if people refuse your demands? What will "you" do? You claim to be "defending" yourself -- though per my previous question, it is completely unclear what you are "defending" yourself from -- but you demand the surrender of people who putatively disagree with you lest some (unstated) fate befalls them.
This last outburst on your part has gotten me to conclude this is an unfunny stunt (there's got to be a punchline at some point...over the many months you've been making these claims and hurling epithets) or, possibly most likely....you really should look into some kind of counseling.
You realize that there is no force to hide from regarding the left, yes?
I’m not even right wing but you certainly seem like an unhinged lunatic, threatening random people online with a lack of “safety” from unspecified forces unless they totally comply with your particular worldview and basically subjugate themselves to you as political slaves.
It’s so hilariously batshit insane to talk like this that I’m now totally convinced you are either mentally ill or a paid shill, though honestly I’d think the right wing pays you to play-act a retarded version of a leftist more than I’d suspect George Soros of employing you.
‘Soros’ is clumsy code for ‘the Jews.’ Just admit you’re a Nazi. Why do you refuse to accept the title you work so hard to earn?
You want Trûmp to declare martial law ànd kill every Democrat. Just admit it. Quit pretending otherwise.
You want everyone who isn’t a wealthy, white, straight right wing male either deed or enslaved. You hate every social advance since 1800. Quit lying about ‘freedom‘ ànd admit you want a dictatorship
Ok this thread has reached maximum toxicity. And any use of the word Nazi is the evidence. I wish it were possible for anyone who uses that word could be transported back to Nazi Germany to experience the real thing. And then stop using hyperbole that is getting people killed.
Is your name actually Karen? Anyway. The Oligarchs, Bezos et al are often liberal and lined up with the Democrats. Antifa, leftist terrorists are out of control. Lawless and dangerous. Bringing unrest and horror to our communities. These crazed riots are in response to what? Law and order. the federal government is rounding up criminals. With an open border for 4 years thousands were let into our country.
Umm... hate to tell you Karen, but the billionaires (being mostly globalists), are still mostly on your side... starting (but by no means ending) with George Soros.
Wow, "nazi," huh? Great comeback! ; ) Me, Matt, and Walter--at least I'm in good company.
You seem to have no idea how you've been taught to hate.. It really is sad and concerning.. I'm guessing you're better than this, you've just been whipped into a frenzy... be well...
People and the main stream media have been criticizing the US government and presidents for my whole lifetime. They never stop. Don't you remember Sam Donaldson with Ronald Reagan? It actually became amusing. [And stop calling Trump and his supporters Nazis. It is an insult to the survivors of the Holocaust, which was literally a genocide of Jews - the final solution.] Trump is not only criticized every minute of the day, he is vilified. People are living and loving as they wish, nobody it stopping them, obviously. Illegal aliens who are criminals are being arrested and deported, which is a public good. Biology is a science and there are clear sexes and evolutionary reasons for them. As for genders - what are we up to 75 or so now. It has gotten so fungible that the term is ridiculous. Free education? Nothing is ever free, not under any system, unless it includes slavery, and even then there are enormous spiritual costs. As for history, facts are facts, and they are dry, but history could be taught that way, and it is never written that way. On the same facts, people, and historians disagree on interpretation of them. Try to have a nice evening.
Karen - will you be breaking the news to this list of huge Democrat donors that they are no longer billionaires or should I do it? If okay, I'd like to do it because the surprised looks on their faces is going to be priceless.
Reid Hoffman, JB Pritzker, George Soros, Tom Steyer, Eli Broad, Jon Stryker, Steven Spielberg, Dirk Ziff, Michael Bloomberg, Hansjörg Wyss, Bill Gates, Steven Rockefeller, David Rockefeller Jr., Katharine Pillsbury, Ben Cohen, Charles Collins, Julian Robertson, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Abigail Johnson, Bill Joy and Laurene Powell Job.
You don't understand. Our billionaires are on the right side of history. It must be the right side, because that's the side I'm on, and I'm so loudly confident in my beliefs that there's no way I could be wrong. /s
That depends on who defines what a ‘criminal’ is. Thé Trûmp Administration is made up entirely of criminals so nothing they say can be trusted. If you support Trûmp in any way àt all, you are a Nazi ànd néed to be treated like the Allies treated Nazis.
Not who, but the law defines what's criminal. Did you miss your civics class? Oh, how original, if you voted for Trump your a Nazi. That's just a witless stupid comment.
The United Nations, formerly funded through DNC/DSA or USAid, federal taxpayers.
It’s a trafficking racket. Transport, In some cases paid healthcare education, place on welfare and in stash houses, collect percentages of paychecks, remittance fees, rents, Medicaid fraud, physical snap cards to the bosses.
They've got a bunch of new stories, of course. Always the lede is how ICE/DHS/whoever has done something to "protestors" but never about what might have precipitated the reaction.
In particular, you'd never hear them discuss the negative effects of illegal immigration like depressing wages of legal (low income) workers, etc.
The city finally had to shut down a "shelter" that was being run in a hotel right off Michigan Avenue (in particular, that stretch known as "The Magnificent Mile"...a term I dislike).
It was amazing while it was open. Seemed like something out of a movie. The (anti) hilarity being of course that it was in the middle of a highly yuppified neighborhood. I'd see people coming into Whole Foods in droves who clearly had just come from the shelter. No problem with that just with that they were getting hand outs that the actual poor in Chicago weren't getting.
I feel for the people who are trying to make a better life as it must require tremendous motivation to risk the safety of one's family to make the trek...but it was all a con. Cheap votes. Cheap labor. Screw the lower-income citizens of the country. There was nothing "humane" about it. It was all a calculated con.
10/01/25: Gov. Pritzer: “People of Illinois, we need your help. While I'm busy lounging by the side of my pool/sauna/vodka storage unit, surrounded by my private security army, we need you to be inhaling tear gas and picking buckshot out of your pubes. Get your cell phones out – record what you see. Put it on social media... We need to let the world know this is happening.." And with that, he annihilated another ten 5-lb. Whoppers.
Protesting is complaining loudly. As someone -I forget who- once said, if simply carrying a cardboard sign solved anything at all, no war would be necessary, you could simply write "bang, you're dead." The insurrection already happened, the first one failed, the equivalent of a "beerhall putsch." The demented and delusional supreme leader has smart handlers this time. The lines of private property, free speech and due process have been breached.
A purge is taking place in the military to prevent a counter-coup. "Oh but they voted for this, they want a dictator" might be true about 35% of the ones who fell for this bought and paid for farce. Some people were just desperate as the democrats didn't really do jack for them either. America is gone, Americans are not. This has not been tried here yet and will possibly break with historical precedent. Team Red and Team Blue? "To hell with all of them!" But moderation is not called for, it's time to tell those already gunning down the homeless and hanging black men, even if it's wishful thinking "This is America; you can't do that here!"
You write, "Moderation is not called for, it's time to tell those already gunning down the homeless and hanging black men, even if it's wishful thinking 'This is America; you can't do that here!'"
Who is murdering bums in the streets and hanging black men, and where are these atrocities happening? Chicago?
What "insurrection" are you referring to? The ongoing one in Portland? The milling around in DC back in 2020, the criminal trespass that hysterics call an insurrection, at which undercover feds were well represented?
I'm getting tired of all these comparisons of Trump to Hitler and his administration and those of us who voted for him to Nazis. The constant harangues by people who know better have convinced many of the gullible that murder is acceptable political action. Playing fast and loose with accusations of Fascism and calling political opponents "Nazis" appears to be a deliberate escalation of rhetoric from the Left to justify assassinations, assault, rioting and looting. Much of the left's rhetoric borders on incitement to violence. Those who take to social media to praise the murder of Charlie Kirk and those who cheer the attempted murder of the president and those who encourage violent "resistance" to an imaginary, exaggerated threat from the Right are just short of admonitions along the lines of "Go out and kill a Nazi." What's the actual line? "Punch a Nazi."
The press, politicians, and the useful idiots in who take to the streets have hundreds of thousands of people convinced that Republicans, conservatives, Trump, and the MAGA movement are "Nazis" and "Fascists." This being the case, the calls to "punch a Nazi" and slogans like "Fascists get the bullet" are incitements to violence against us.
They are incitements to violence against Nazis, a group of people this country went to war allegedly to get rid of them, had a few show trials and help 1000s escape to South America, Argentina mostly. Are you actually saying you are a Nazi? Who is "us"? Charlie Kirk openly advocated violence against people who disagreed with him and thought he understood the words of Jesus Christ better than Jesus himself. I do not advocate the initiation of violence against those who have not already initiated it, right there at that day and time. No one deserves to get shot for talking shit.
One of the mass shootings took place in Minneapolis, another in Illinois. They arrested black men and said it was over drugs (of course ,what else could it be?). The hangings were actually of one black man and one white alleged drug addict (white tr*sh, white N——r) In Mississippi, Vicksburg. Could all be coincidence, but the violence started happening within hours of Brian Kilmeade’s advocacy for of the “involuntary euthanasia” of the homeless and mentally ill human beings, or “bums” as you call them. He issued what sounded like an AI written apology from a teleprompter on FOX but it was too late.
Never heard of Charlie Kirk until the Southpark episode, and killing people just for talking shit is un-American too. Exposing what is being sold, and trying to make a stronger argument is the way. Believe it or not, the organized left cautions against violence and tends to view those who advocate it as provocateurs, or simply security risks. I don’t even know who you are, and certainly don’t want you to have to deal with violence, but I do think Kilmeade should be fired by FOX or they should have their license pulled; what he was doing, was a textbook example of the “stochastic terrorism” they keep talking about.
I generally don’t cheer for the aggressive use of force, by anyone. If this was America, that behavior would not be normalized by now, but in the National Socialist States of dumbasfuckistan it seems to be getting normalized. I don’t call people fascists unless they have admitted they are one, but your dehumanizing of people you look down on is something fascists do. You might be a really nice guy for all I know. I’m out of here, do your own damn research.
There is no money involved in a bunch of losers showing up to play act as revolutionary civil rights era martyrs. You have any evidence at all of what you’re claiming in this specific instance or is this just typical right wing hyperventilating?
The right loves to pretend that people will only show up to speak out against fascism if they are being paid. Meanwhile, millions have been protesting for decades because they care about the world around them. Something much of MAGA seems incapable of.
it's refreshing to know who is actually making the decisions. I guess you all prefer unelected officials, the autopen and weekend at bernie's. seems like dems have been trying to overthrow the democratically elected president in both his terms, what might you call that?
It's not a dodge, it's a counterpoint, referring obliquely to the Russia hoax, the failed attempts to railroad Trump into prison, the failed attempts to murder him, and the failed attempts to impeach him, including the laughable attempt to impeach Trump when he was no longer in office. I still don't understand the crippled reasoning that led to that last action
Trump is still President because that little shitbag missed and killed a supporter prior to the election in which the DP ran a cackling wine mom, Officer Harris, bypassing their sham primary process, because their man went Full Retard.
The other doofus would-be-assassin got caught laying in wait and was thrown in prison.
People are waking up and leaving the DP in large numbers. A minority of extremists is making a bunch of bad noise about ICE deporting illegals, and their continued rioting and pathetic little fireworks displays serve only to further strenghthen the resolve of those of us who support aggressively rounding them up and deporting them.
If you think this is a bad idea, have a look at what's happing in the UK and Western Europe and be grateful we live in a democratic republic and thank those of us who voted Trump into office.
What "Fascism"? The Left has gone far beyond "speaking out" and have been the sole perpetrators of organized street violence in the US since 2020. Any action from the Right has been a reaction to this, and a comparatively weak or measured reaction at that.
Your sanctimonious claim that "millions have been protesting for decades because they care about the world around them" makes me want to vomit.
Sorry, but the data does not lie. Political violence is largely perpetrated by the right.
I hope you get the puke all over yourself while I go watch a documentary about the history of women's rights, civil rights and anti war protests in this country.
There’s lots and lots of USAID money that has paid these protestors for a very long time and lots of money passed around. Now that the spigot is off, and Trump is going after Antifa and using RICO for Soros et al, my guess is the lefty billionaires are panicking and are funding this fresh wave of violence and unhinged protestors directly.
ICE is not following the existing laws. People who have their paperwork in order and are doing everything right get snatched up. American citizens get taken too. As they have a quota to make they just need those arrest numbers. If they make their quota apparently even arrests with no legal grounds count. People have died in custody or sent to the wrong country with no record of it. An American citizen currently has a 50,000,000.00 lawsuit pending after getting arrested at his place of business in spite of his telling them he was a US citizen and was seriously injured requiring hospitalization and is still suffering from the after affects of the concussion. This “Take ‘em all in and let the lawyers sort it out” attitude is typical of the entire regime’s attitude towards existing laws and the constitution.
Well thanks for a thoughtful reply. I don’t imagine any law enforcement endeavor of this scale would be without errors willful or otherwise. I wasn’t happy that people were encouraged to cross the border, and I’m not happy about having to remove them either.
But my comment remains that this should have been address by congress years ago, not by law enforcement after the fact, and certainly not by protesters trying to prevent the action from taking place.
There may be an authoritarian zeal to this action on the part of some, but there is an undeniable revolutionary zeal to the protesters that makes a more civil response all the more difficult to achieve.
If any law enforcement personnel get killed or maimed by these anarchists Priztger has blood on his hands. The guard troops are also protecting the detained immigrants, as demonstrated by the anarchist in Dallas that killed several detainees in the last Antifa attack.
The performance of students in Illinois public schools is shockingly bad. The number of murders per 100,000 in Chicago (mostly the south side) far surpasses the same ratio of deaths per 100,000 in war-torn Ukraine. But rather than focus on either of those urgent issues, issues that affect black constituents disproportionately, Pritzker points to Trump, ICE and the defense of non-citizens who are here illegally. It is much easier to do. There are no metrics for success or failure, and it gives him national stature. If there is anything Pritzker wants even more than a slice of pie with a doughnut and ice cream, it is the national lime light.
A knee jerk reaction: if Illinois is like many states, the vast rural areas are like a different planet than Chicago. In those rural areas and smaller towns, children are more likely to be home schooled, private schooled, or even public schooled at some decent schools, though not in numbers that would pull up the big city's performance. There are indeed two Americas.
And unless it has changed recently, illegals have more rights/benefits than citizens..... Tax money paid by citizens given to illegals for phones, housing, health care, etc. They commit crimes, and aren't jailed, but released to commit more crimes. It's a "funny" system we've developed (not "funny haha").
That’s what happens when Leftists turn their states in taxpayer flight depopulated ganglands. They have to re-populate with illegals to keep state governorships.
ICE is a federal agency created in 2003 by an act of Congress. They are enforcing current immigration laws. Laws that were also created by an act of Congress.
If Democrats are against ICE and the laws they are enforcing, why not present legislation in Congress that defunds ICE and changes the immigration laws?
Oh, right. Because immigration is an 80-20 issue, with the Democrats siding with the 20%. Thus, the usual Democrat reaction when their unpopular policies are rejected by the majority. Namely anarchy and widespread violence.
The Democrat Party is no longer a political party. It is a fifth column working in concert with the globalists and our foreign enemies to overthrow the US government.
I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, but I have a question hopefully someone can answer:
Is it now the position of the Democratic Party that NO ONE in the country illegally should be deported? That border control and immigration policing are inherently evil and ipso facto "fascism"? That once you make it to America, no matter how you got here or what you do once you get here, it's wrong to kick you out?
I really can't wrap my brain around the idea that this could be the policy of a major political party.
Haven't you heard about their sudden and intense embrace of "due process?"
In my view, that means they simply need to show they are here legally or be deported. It's like when I try to get on an airplane; they check my ticket and ID. If there's a problem, I don't get to fly and then figure it out at my destination.
In their view, it means several rounds of legal proceedings, with judges and lawyers funded by taxpayers. In the interim, they get housing vouchers and "free" healthcare.
I tried to question several people on Reddit about this, and what they mean when they say "due process." Not surprisingly, I didn't get a lot of technically knowledgeable answers. They reach for whatever propaganda line they can, like a kid reaching for a rock to throw, do they honestly expect the federal courts to just invent new forms of trials so that each illegal immigrant can have a jury of their non-peers decide if they're really here illegally?
They just want idiots to think that a freshly hired ICE agent can decide to deport any Hispanic American they grab off the street to a foreign detention center for narco-gangs, no questions asked. And there are a lot of idiots.
YES. It is all a part of the program to ensure one-party Marxicrat rule forever. It would have worked, but then a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. Trump was reelected.
This is do or die for them. They continue to hemorrhage voters of all colors and both sexes. Their entire leadership is locked on the crazy train with the most violent radicals of their base. They are going to lose the midterms and 2028 and they know this, UNLESS they can stop the deportations, flood swing states with illegals and make sure their fraudulent votes count. The MAGA silverback is not going to let this happen to our great country. These lunatics have done what no other has accomplished other than a brief period after 9/11; united our country. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see a Klansman taking up arms alongside a black panther to beat these things back.
Force Pritzer to get specific. What exactly “won’t be tolerated”?
That then becomes the basis of declaring him in agreement with, or in violation/rebellion against federal authority, leading to co-opting him as a poseur, or to prosecution.
Well he did spend more than $ 320 million of his own money ( not even counting some of his associated PACs) on his campaigns on the way to the governorship. So it's his to do what he wants. I mean he bought it fair and square!
Seems like this is a hostile attack (riot) on a Federal facility. I seem to remember there were some pretty aggressive law enforcement responses allowed against that. As a matter a fact I seem to remember the justification of lethal force in that instance.
Don't any of the agents have tasers? Water cannons? Rubber bullets? Why can't military vehicles clear the way for ICE vehicles? Taxpayers will get pretty tired of having to replace all the vehicles these idiots are ruining.
Water cannons are fine, but I worry that someone will shoot a protester and then all-hell will break loose. That's all I was saying. I was projecting my fear onto your comments.
If a "non-violent" protester shows up wearing a gas mask / paint sprayer mask, carrying an umbrella or a shield and hiding their identity / looking like a member of the PLO, they are not there to peacefully protest.
Responding with the hope you might think about your statement:
1. ICE agents are Federal Law Enforcement agents who are duty bound to carry firearms
2. Agents who are responding to crowd control situations will wear gas masks for the possibility of having to deploy CS / Tear Gas for crowd control
3. Agents are wearing face coverings because there have been credible concentrated threats to their lives and their families' lives by "activists" who have threatened to kill them / cause bodily harm
4. There is a historical precedent for Law Enforcement officers who operation in high-threat environments to wear face coverings. see: Brazil, Mexico, Columbia, etc.
5. There is a huge difference today between the protesting and how it was done in the 1960's. There are large elements of the current protestors at ICE facilities who are not engaging in non-violent non-compliant acts of civil disobedience (Like sit ins), rather they appear to be actively seeking a confrontation.
Immigration laws are Federal laws. The proper adult response to a law you don't agree with is to work to change the law through the legislative process.
Screaming at the top of one's lungs, trying to break things, threatening anyone who you don't agree with, threatening violence to get one's way and dressing up like a 1980's PLO member or a 1990's European anarchist is something toddlers do.
Local and State governments so far have refused to treat these people as toddlers, tell them that their behavior is not going to be tolerated in civil society and there will be legal consequences is exactly why the Federal Government is having to step in.
1.) There seems to be a weird complicity at play as regards the media. If you check the links to "Block Club Chicago" -- which is a yuppie-oriented newsletter here in Chicago -- you can see the clear slant. I do not know how this outfit is funded. Granted, it's Chicago and there's a large Latino and Chicano population but there's a tacit assumption that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration -- which is not true! I was recently chatting with a guy of Mexican heritage who noted how the open-border policies of the Biden (or "OBiden") administration only exacerbated the situation and essentially forced the hand of Trump (who is enforcing federal law). The situation was made so egregious that it is negatively impacting people who were here illegally but were "under the radar". Now, everyone is on the radar.
But the (putatively incorrect) assumption that all Hispanics favor illegal immigration is enough to scare the white liberals into playing along!
Per usual, situations are always given in a single, one-off fashion: the large picture is never examined, they only push individual, ad-hominem instances with emotional value.
I think many people are (finally, belatedly) starting to get the idea though. Open borders is but one part in a very large, cynical, callous, hateful scam on the American people and Western Civilization in general which uses the poor of other countries as pawns. It's not humane. It's not generous or kind or coming from charity, it's a selfish, focused scam.
2.) Right. The Constitution, specifically the First Amendment, guarantees the right to "peaceably assemble". Not interfere with or obstruct the execution of laws passed by Congress. And, yes, you're right also in that this is federal law.
I have been mystified for as long as I've heard about "sanctuary cities" as to how people (i.e., municipal leaders fishing for votes) think they have the authority to ignore federal law. Apparently, Chicago was the first "sanctuary city" [sic] due to declarations in 1985 by then-mayor Harold Washington (but subsequently reinforced and codified by Richard M. Daley):
So how is this even a debate? There's no controversy. Period. "Sanctuary cities" have no legal basis -- and it's ironic, if unsurprising, that Harold Washington and Richard M. Daley were both lawyers.
I think that there has been a concerted push by lobby groups / NGO's to actively change the language around illegal immigration, coupled with the general public's increasing lack of reading, historical understanding (even the last 30 years) and a move to online content that is easily edited and memory-holed.
I remember clips of Chuck Shumer and Hillary Clinton speaking against illegal immigration being shown on the news in the 1980s and 1990s when I was growing up. Good luck finding them in all the digital noise that exists, unless you have access to a TV station archive.
Or take the UFW -- that union either forgets or ignores their own history:
I also think that lots of these "immigrant rights groups" (illegals) have used the dual cudgels of "racism" and "being kind" to get laws passed in liberal states (such as mine, Maryland) to also prevent state agencies from either enforcing pre-existing state laws or cooperating with federal laws.
Exactly. There is no attention paid to the goading and interference committed by these so-called "peaceful protestors"; the "innocent civilians" as the commenter called them as though they were assaulted without having acted against the agents.
If even local TV stations would cover these nightly protests people would have to start paying attention. I understand why lots of cable news networks are ducking coverage. I'm guessing the local TV stations are either intimidated by the protestors or they have marching orders from local / state officials not to cover it.
Why is it when one takes the time to logically point out all the holes in your argument you pivot to something completely unrelated to your original argument?
:) A blunt argument or a logical one still unfortunately generally lost on a person who is using thought terminating cliches as arguments. Wait for the retort "oh you do support the knocking down of the elderly and young women -- (insert historical term that they use without understanding it)"
How is the behavior of ICE agents unrelated? They are behaving horribly all over the country. Not just at protests. It's very indicative of what they are being told to do and what they think is okay.
If people try to obstruct the execution of the law, then they are breaking the law and can face consequences.
Your point is disingenuous at best; the agents aren't just "knocking people down" in an unprovoked fashion. These "people" are obstructing the ICE facility and are trying to prevent the agents from doing their job. That's obstruction of justice.
I agree it is a pity that these "people" are either too stupid or brazenly criminal (or both) that they put themselves in these situations.
But, no, I don't think it's "okay" -- the agents have a job to do and should be allowed to do their job. It's not "okay" for people to try to obstruct law enforcement.
If people disagree with the law then they should work to change the law. Interfering with the execution of laws passed by Congress is not legitimate "protest"; it is criminal obstruction. I wish this weren't happening but I don't think that a bunch of ill-advised (at best) "protestors" have the right to hold this country hostage as regards the execution of the law.
Since when is it okay to interfere with law officers enforcing the law?
You can challenge laws you disagree with, but If you interfere with law enforcement you are breaking the law. There are consequences. Potentially physical consequences.
I personally do not want illegal persons in my country. They bring nothing of value. Only crime, poverty and their hatred for the western civilization. Removing them by whatever means necessary is fine with me. The people I have worked with that came to this country through the proper channels and did the work to become US citizens are some of the better people I know.
The rest have not lived up to being even remotely useful to anyone including themselves. No talent, no concern for anyone but themselves.
As Matt L has said, this country is all of immigrant stock. Mine are mostly English and German. They brought western culture and grace with them from high trust societies. They did not have their hands out. No one paid their way. They worked to build a good life for themselves, family and those around them. They contributed to their community. I know because I have looked back on their lives.
Hopefully we learned from Kent State, but these are not campus radicals. There is dark money behind this and an organized war beginning at the very top with billionaire Governor "I just ate half a steer at Delmonicos and three dozen oysters" Pritzker. One thing's for sure, there must be millions of hungry illegal aliens who deep down are envious of Pritzker's copious jowls and the gluttony they represent.
What do big city mayors and blue state governors get out of supporting illegal immigrants? They reside is safe, protected suburbs. They get housekeepers and landscapers and maintenance workers and farm laborers on the cheap. Their credentialed staff keep promising voters utopian benefits. Their educational systems keep them supplied with more credentialed staff. Where's the harm (to the credentialed) of a little crime, drugs, and shoplifting from large companies with overpaid executives? They and their media supporters can simply ignore the occasional drug death, rape, and murder. If we don't talk about it, it never really happened.
In one case, Newsom, he’s using this as a springboard toward the Oval Office. If he can consolidate all Trump haters and “Open border” zealots to help him achieve his political goals…one downside is that he’s using “Our” money to do this, as has become the norm in CA…our money is his money…right.
I’m afraid it’s more nefarious than lawn care in the suburbs. After the October 7th attacks, Democrat aligned and funded groups celebrated. Last weekend they celebrated the life of a leftist convicted felon exiled in Cuba. They’re celebrating assassin Mangione.
In addition to what you listed, this is do or die in future elections for the dems. They will not win unless they can stop the deportations, move them to swing states and submit fraudulent votes. They have no desire to convince the actual voters. Their hemorrhaging of voters continues.
Let's be clear: pounding on ICE vehicles, blocking their movement, assaulting agents, etc., is not "protesting"--it is a riot, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Knocking down innocent people, breaking down doors, separating children from families and sending people to countries where they know no one is horrible. This country has and should do better.
In my current thinking, the illegal immigration doors (especially south border) were allowed to fling open so wide and massively over 46, now w/ 47 voted in - there is a need to equally reverse that trend. That is what is occurring. Those that don’t believe in borders are fighting this, and ICE. I don’t agree with them, and yes I’d like ICE to act humanely. But there is a job now to be done. And there will be casualties. Yin and yang at play. I hope over time we arrive at an equilibrium.
Well friend, I guess they fucked around and found out, as the saying goes.. turns out, it was a Bad Idea to pay the cartels to enter the US illegally. Others will now get that message.
Hey, no families are being separated. In every case, the entire family is free to depart with the illegal, if they so choose.
Well, in your opinion, I am not your friend, but rest assured, I do not see you as my enemy. Just one of the differences between us.
Should ICE be knocking down 80 year old men or young women? I dunno, depends on whether or not they are obstructing ICE agents in the performance of their duties. Enforcing the law is not dependent on age or gender, it applies equally to all. What a concept, huh?
80 year old men and young women were crucified by the FBI and DOJ for their part in the J6 riot. In fact, one young woman (Ashli Babbitt) was gunned down in cold blood by capitol policeman Michael Byrd. But I'm guessing you weren't too concerned about that.
Such hypocrites you guys are. Even though, I still don't hate you.
Defending fascism is so ugly. I am not a hypocrite. I think ICE should treat everyone with respect and not brutalize people. I guess that's where we differ. Shoving an elderly man and shouting at them is disgusting.
You're defending the insurrection? But you're mad that people are protesting ICE. Talk about hypocrisy.
And BTW: no one is "mad" that people protest against ICE. They can organize, picket, speechify, etc all day long, no problem. But verbal and physical assaults against agents, threats, interfering with ICE in the exercise of their duties, etc., is not "protesting." Which is where we started this convo.
Ummm... your so-called "insurrection" has been revealed to have been instigated by 300 FBI informants/provocateurs who were in the crowd that day.. maybe you missed that news. And what about the mysterious pipe bomber? No investigation of that by the J6 Committee. Etc. You've been misled by a lot of bad/incomplete information on that topic.
While I am more conscious of and concerned with the issue of police violence than you could know, I would withhold any judgment as to the rightness or wrongness of their actions unless I can see the specifics. 80 year old men are very capable of getting physical with agents and then playing the "hey, I'm an old guy" card. Seen it before.
And ICE agents should "treat everyone with respect"??? You mean even the people who are calling them every nasty name in the book (starting with Nazi), spitting on them, threatening them, doxing them, etc. ICE is supposed to treat them with respect?
Where I come from, respect is always--always--a two-way street. How about you?
"Pritzker said Monday that ICE’s immigration enforcement is a “pretext to deploy military troops” in the region, and warned that 100 military personnel are on their way."
This is so fucking irresponsible, he knows there are millions of brainwashed sheep out there buying into this military takeover of the United States bullshit. The left claims they aren't calling for violence, only in between calling for violence.
In what way is a violent, centrally managed effort to use force to prevent federal law enforcement from carrying out lawful orders, not an insurrection against the United States?
These violent attacks on ICE are riots and insurrections, not protests and demonstrations. Follow the money. Can racket uncover who is funding antifa?
No one you fucking fascist idiot. YOUR side has Bezos, Thiel, the Koch Bros and the rest of the actual evil billionaires. My side has the people, you have the oligarchs. No matter how much you lie about it, you are on the side of evil.
Karen. Karen. Karen.
Yeah, I don’t think your side has “the people”. You have a handful of useless (to society) misfits who have no contributing factors other than to be moronic war elephants who charge in whatever direction they’re pointed when your incompetent leaders slap their fat asses from the shadows.
You’re a Nazi.
You're a child and in no way influential. Get help and piss off.
Ànd you’re a Nazi
Karen!!
Karen is a Karen. Rushing to judgment. I looked at her substack, and she doesn't even take the time to check the spelling in her headings. Slow down, Karen. Step back. Breath. Look beyond the buzzwords you've been fed.
why would ANYONE read what Karen has to write/say?
I find it hard to believe she is so far gone, no way she comes back to reality.
Oh, I forgot, I'm a nazi....
She cannot do that.
Funny, there is no reason in any of this shit. Ignore whatever and whoever this might be, if it is someone.
So I make typos. You’re a Nazi.
A cogent argument!
Is there a way to block seeing her idiotic and puerile posts?
Do you support Nazis being assassinated?
I much prefer Nazis being humiliated and driven from all forms of public existence. You — and I am calling you a Nazi — can repent and join the opposition to Trump or die alone of natural causes. (You are also welcome to join your heroes Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, and Goering. )
I don’t want anyone to ruin her life by killing the likes of you or Trump.
Yeah, I’m thinking false flag. “Karen” should knock this stuff off; our side doesn’t need it.
Our side? What side is that and how does one define a side?
Matt's side. The side that "Karen" affects to call fascist. The side that doesn't like the No-Fly List. Is that clear enough?
I think "Karen" is one of us but feels it necessary to try and make the opposition look deranged. This is unnecessary and redundant.
I didn't know Matt had a side. I didn't think there was a side that likes the No-fly list. No.
How could she make the 'other side" look deranged when, if she's on your side, whatever that is, is clearly unhinged.
We all know about Karen. Scary that there are 13 likes on that deranged rant.
These Governors overseeing and doing nothing about criminals are making bad choices. They want citizens to interfere with federal officers and do they expect the citizens of their states to violate their laws also? They are ginning their citizens up to harm ICE officers!
Karen, you are as deluded as the toddlers and teenagers at the protest. Did you see the one dressed up like Cinderella? All progressives are apparently ignorant of American history & think that the American citizens want the country flooded with illegals who have NO RIGHT to be in this country and who are frequently on public assistance, which the AMERICAN TAXPAYER pays for. You are no more the party of the people than Hitler was. I know all of you are stupid about history since you don't realize that NAZI was the National Socialist party.....you may not like him, but Hitler was on your side lefty. You know, the type who censors and cancels speech and viewpoints and PEOPLE (Kirk) they don't like bc "speech is violence." Tata snowflake, you're done.
You are so juvenile and unkind and unserious. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence, seriousness, or integrity, says things like “all progressives are….”.
Or considers that someone dresses as Cinderella at a protest is a salient fact.
Illegal immigrants do not receive federal benefits. The left did not censor Charlie Kirk. The encroachment on free speech by this administration pales in comparison to anything we’ve seen in the history of the United States.
You are not a serious person if you think illegal immigrants do not receive federal benefits. Where are they living? Where do their children go to school? This video is just a Republican campaign ad.
All that person needs to do is google how much tax money is spent on medical care for illegals...and that's just for starters....then there are the benefits and how to game the system, taught by the NGOs who recruit them. They then work under the table snd send so much money back to where their native countries in remittances. For Mexico, remittences are about 136B off the top of my head, as I recall. India remittences are about 194B. These people lower the pay for Americans and build houses for extended family in their native countries.
Been hanging around immigrants for over 40 years. Dated a Honduran immigrant for 10 years. Up close and personal look at what goes on.
And yet she IS dressed in a Cinderella costume and carrying a poster about that too, so I'd call it salient. I am definitely no juvenile, absolutely serious & a very nice person. If Karen wants to spew hate, I can speak back to it, as can you. The reason most of us think "all progressives" are in your words, lacking a modicum of intelligence, seriousness, or integrity, is BC WE HAVE SEEN it played out over the last 10 years as you all rioted and looted and opened the border and gave tax dollars away to people who don't deserve or qualify for them, raised crime to obscene levels and let the perps walk to go rape & kill again, forced kids out of school, mandated unsafe & untested vaxes that KILLED a lot of people,all while you called all of us Racists,Sexists, Homophobes, Transphobes, White Christian Nationalists, Fascists, Nazis, Hitler!!!!! Do you think we watch the MSM and are as indoctrinated into lies that all of you are with a Matrix hose hooked up to your neck? We have watched & learned that the Clinton/Obama/Biden clique despises their fellow citizens and will in fact kill them for political differences. You are just as stupid as Karen is. It'd be great if all of you would simply follow through & move to Canada.
as a Canadian I am going to have to decline the gifts you are offering
I would too! Perhaps Antartica?
Stop hyperventilating. Yes, they receive benefits, all progressives are unhinged, it's built into your belief system which is as shallow as your minds.
The "left" censored Charlie Kirk with a bullet.
You are really not paying attention at all if you believe one sentence of your post.
Don’t reason with idiots. They will drag you down to their level ànd beat you with experience. Thé correct response for all Trumpers is contempt.
Howling laughing!!! yes, we WILL beat you with our experience, bc we're NOT idiots like you who can't reason & grapple with ideas outside of your bubble. Wowser, Karen, you're a LOT worse than last year.
You are willing to destroy this country ànd all its most precious liberties because you can’t stand to ‘press one for English.’ You are like all Trumpers nothing but àn ignorant bigot
Wow just wow. I pray for your sake that you’re just a headbanger, just here for the giggles while you spew unbridled hate at everyone except your fellow lefty lunatics and that it’s all a game to you. Just a provocateur. Bc if you actually think people who have different opinions than you want to kill you, you need really serious help. Stop smoking weed all the time and get counseling!!
English, whether the ACLU likes it or not, is and always has been a single language English speaking country. There is no reason why one foreign language should have preference with a "press 2" ability....there are plenty of other immigrants here who are not Spanish speakers. By allowing facilitation of communication for a selected other language, all it does is continue the trend of non-assimilation...without assimilation, there is no country....without a commonly spoken language, there is no country...without any shared commonality, other than being of the same species, there is no country....but, that's the goal, isn't it? Destroy the countries of the western world?
You really are an idiot. There was a thriving Yiddish language theater and newspaper industry in New York up until the middle 20th century. German was almost as common as English in Texas and parts of the midwest until Woodrow Wilson encouraged stupid laws banning the language. North America has NEVER been exclusively Anglophone and mostly not even predominantly so.
You seem so smart! You can't even tell the difference between the Nationalist Socialist party and communists.
Yeah, Hitler was a real lefty. Especially when he was imprisoning communists, Catholics, professors, Jews and anyone who did not bend the knee to the Nazi party.
As I recall, the nazis and the communists decided between themselves which would be "right" and which would be "left" but, in the scheme of things, they are basically one and the same and the fringes of both sides meet where the circle is completed.
None of you know a thing about history!
https://www.thearticle.com/nazism-in-germany-versus-communism-in-the-ussr-similarities-and-differences
Hitler:
“If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?”
“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.... Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.”
― Franklin Delano Roosevel
“Side”?
Aren’t we all Americans? With an interest in enforcing our border?
20th-century liberalism is dead and has been replaced by 21st-century postliberal tribalism as orchestrated by our reigning dictatorship of the algorithms.
There is no more "our", just Who/Whom.
The Somewheres vs. the Anywheres.
I’m a Somewhere, thank you very much.
Yes, I voted for this.
Apparently not Pritzker or Karen…but most others are in on the idea
Nope. You’re a Trumper which makes you a Nazi, and you deserve the same treatment as all Nazis.
You want to kill us then?
You want to kill ME. Just admit you hate the existence of anyone who disagrees with you ànd we can àt least fight as honorable enemies Instead of you lying about your intentions.
Sorry. No can do.
I think you’re mistaken and full of anger. I wish you well.
Our hero—though frankly, I didn’t know much about Charlie Kirk until shortly before he was murdered and a lot of what I thought I knew was wrong—our hero was killed for his views expressed in open debate.
He would put his mic down, let the other guy go at it, then answer. Then put his mic down, and so forth.
We want to argue for what we think is right. Nazis let their violence do the talking.
You want to kill us. We are defending ourselves. If you surrender unconditionally ànd agree to abandon all aspects ànd opinions of Trumpism snd promise never to engage in any form of public life including voting again you will be safe.
Lovely. What a total imbecile you are.
Projection. You're the one demanding total ideological conformity. Go outside. Smell some roses. Pet a friendly dog, cat, or other domesticated companion animal to your preference. Build a sand-castle.
At this point, I have to conclude that you're either a spoof or are in need of some kind of counseling.
Please elucidate the following:
1.) What do you stand for? What are you proposing? What form of government and economy do you want? What kind of social order, if any, or none, do you want? Do you reject the US Constitution? Do you have a replacement? What are you advocating for? That is, in contrast to just calling everyone with a putatively differing opinion a nazi or fascist (without defining either term, of course) what do you propose?
2.) "We are defending ourselves"....?!?!? Please give examples of all the "violence" [sic?] you are experiencing. In the last few weeks, there have been attacks on Catholic school-children in Minneapolis and the murder of a man engaging in civil debate (Charlie Kirk), an attack on a federal agency (e.g., ICE in Dallas). Then there were two assassination attempts on Donald Trump prior to the election 2024. What are you defending yourself against?
3.) "If you surrender unconditionally ànd agree to abandon all aspects ànd opinions of Trumpism snd promise never to engage in any form of public life including voting again you will be safe."
That's a threat. What if people refuse your demands? What will "you" do? You claim to be "defending" yourself -- though per my previous question, it is completely unclear what you are "defending" yourself from -- but you demand the surrender of people who putatively disagree with you lest some (unstated) fate befalls them.
This last outburst on your part has gotten me to conclude this is an unfunny stunt (there's got to be a punchline at some point...over the many months you've been making these claims and hurling epithets) or, possibly most likely....you really should look into some kind of counseling.
Safe from who? Karen online?
You realize that there is no force to hide from regarding the left, yes?
I’m not even right wing but you certainly seem like an unhinged lunatic, threatening random people online with a lack of “safety” from unspecified forces unless they totally comply with your particular worldview and basically subjugate themselves to you as political slaves.
It’s so hilariously batshit insane to talk like this that I’m now totally convinced you are either mentally ill or a paid shill, though honestly I’d think the right wing pays you to play-act a retarded version of a leftist more than I’d suspect George Soros of employing you.
Not gonna be safe then.
We are Charlie.
So does that make Soros a virtual evil billionaire? Asking for a friend.
Can’t you find something more original that ‘it’s the JEWS!!!?’
What in the actual fuck does this have to do with the Jews? The comment went way over your head. Seek help.
‘Soros’ is clumsy code for ‘the Jews.’ Just admit you’re a Nazi. Why do you refuse to accept the title you work so hard to earn?
You want Trûmp to declare martial law ànd kill every Democrat. Just admit it. Quit pretending otherwise.
You want everyone who isn’t a wealthy, white, straight right wing male either deed or enslaved. You hate every social advance since 1800. Quit lying about ‘freedom‘ ànd admit you want a dictatorship
Oboy.
Ok this thread has reached maximum toxicity. And any use of the word Nazi is the evidence. I wish it were possible for anyone who uses that word could be transported back to Nazi Germany to experience the real thing. And then stop using hyperbole that is getting people killed.
Seriously? You happen to be the one calling everyone a Nazi.
Is your name actually Karen? Anyway. The Oligarchs, Bezos et al are often liberal and lined up with the Democrats. Antifa, leftist terrorists are out of control. Lawless and dangerous. Bringing unrest and horror to our communities. These crazed riots are in response to what? Law and order. the federal government is rounding up criminals. With an open border for 4 years thousands were let into our country.
Millions Harry, millions flooded our country.
Ah Karen, always so charming. Our side is the USA and its best interests for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren and beyond.
What side exactly is your side?
Oh dear lord, you have Soros, that Indian billionaire, the Walmart heirs and the entire WEF.
And Bezos is pretty woke last I checked.
Sure, when you can’t debate, start calling those you disagree with Fascist Nazi Hitler etc
That will do lot won’t it.
Umm... hate to tell you Karen, but the billionaires (being mostly globalists), are still mostly on your side... starting (but by no means ending) with George Soros.
You're confused, dear.
Bullshit. You’re a Nazi just like Taibbi and Kirn. You can’t be trusted. You hate everything good and decent
Wow, "nazi," huh? Great comeback! ; ) Me, Matt, and Walter--at least I'm in good company.
You seem to have no idea how you've been taught to hate.. It really is sad and concerning.. I'm guessing you're better than this, you've just been whipped into a frenzy... be well...
Please tell us what you consider to be "good and decent".
Freedom to criticize the government without fear of arrest or being fired.
Everyone allowed to live ànd love as they choose without fear of being arrested or fired.
No rigid sex or gender roles.
Free education that teaches thé actual facts of history ànd not right wing fictions.
That’s a start.
People and the main stream media have been criticizing the US government and presidents for my whole lifetime. They never stop. Don't you remember Sam Donaldson with Ronald Reagan? It actually became amusing. [And stop calling Trump and his supporters Nazis. It is an insult to the survivors of the Holocaust, which was literally a genocide of Jews - the final solution.] Trump is not only criticized every minute of the day, he is vilified. People are living and loving as they wish, nobody it stopping them, obviously. Illegal aliens who are criminals are being arrested and deported, which is a public good. Biology is a science and there are clear sexes and evolutionary reasons for them. As for genders - what are we up to 75 or so now. It has gotten so fungible that the term is ridiculous. Free education? Nothing is ever free, not under any system, unless it includes slavery, and even then there are enormous spiritual costs. As for history, facts are facts, and they are dry, but history could be taught that way, and it is never written that way. On the same facts, people, and historians disagree on interpretation of them. Try to have a nice evening.
Karen - will you be breaking the news to this list of huge Democrat donors that they are no longer billionaires or should I do it? If okay, I'd like to do it because the surprised looks on their faces is going to be priceless.
Reid Hoffman, JB Pritzker, George Soros, Tom Steyer, Eli Broad, Jon Stryker, Steven Spielberg, Dirk Ziff, Michael Bloomberg, Hansjörg Wyss, Bill Gates, Steven Rockefeller, David Rockefeller Jr., Katharine Pillsbury, Ben Cohen, Charles Collins, Julian Robertson, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Abigail Johnson, Bill Joy and Laurene Powell Job.
You don't understand. Our billionaires are on the right side of history. It must be the right side, because that's the side I'm on, and I'm so loudly confident in my beliefs that there's no way I could be wrong. /s
"Well, okay - - is that all you've got????" LOL
Karen - There must be another Substack where you can spew
your nonsense.... among friends. This one isn't it.
No one else will have her. Matt does not discriminate.
Are you Karen from HR?
You're claiming 80 million billionaires voted R in November?
Karen thinks math is a fascist construct.
Well… ( checks notes ) Math IS racist after all.
So we've been TOLD. It's on the internet and has been widely reported by totally trustworthy sources, so it is truth...
I guess we've forgotten the ancient Usenet admonition not to feed the trolls.
Koch bros are your team... globalists, love the cheap immigrant illegal labor....
Who are you to decide who is evil? Protecting criminals does not put you on the side of the righteous it marks you as evil criminals.
That depends on who defines what a ‘criminal’ is. Thé Trûmp Administration is made up entirely of criminals so nothing they say can be trusted. If you support Trûmp in any way àt all, you are a Nazi ànd néed to be treated like the Allies treated Nazis.
Not who, but the law defines what's criminal. Did you miss your civics class? Oh, how original, if you voted for Trump your a Nazi. That's just a witless stupid comment.
Ànd law enforcement has a lot of discretion in how to interpret those definitions. Trumpers will always use the Nazi definitions.
The United Nations, formerly funded through DNC/DSA or USAid, federal taxpayers.
It’s a trafficking racket. Transport, In some cases paid healthcare education, place on welfare and in stash houses, collect percentages of paychecks, remittance fees, rents, Medicaid fraud, physical snap cards to the bosses.
Going to reshare a link I posted on the last update on this topic.
"Block Club Chicago" does have (occasional?) stories of local interest but they're a flag-waver for all things leftist as need be.
I do wonder where they get their money from.
In any case, the last time, I posted a link to this story:
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/09/22/broadview-ice-protesters-now-plan-to-rally-daily-with-goal-of-shutting-down-facility/
...and noted how they replaced the original key graphic...which might have been inadvertently a little tooooooo honest:
https://i0.wp.com/bcc-newspack.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2025/09/DSC4873-scaled.jpg?resize=780%2C520&ssl=1
"Fuck the Law", forsooth!
They've got a bunch of new stories, of course. Always the lede is how ICE/DHS/whoever has done something to "protestors" but never about what might have precipitated the reaction.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/09/30/armed-agents-in-unmarked-vans-target-south-shore-apartment-building/
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/09/30/feds-are-tear-gassing-police-first-responders-in-broadview-officials-say-it-all-has-to-stop/
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/09/30/family-taken-by-feds-from-millennium-park-separated-in-detention-centers-theyre-locking-up-children/
In particular, you'd never hear them discuss the negative effects of illegal immigration like depressing wages of legal (low income) workers, etc.
The city finally had to shut down a "shelter" that was being run in a hotel right off Michigan Avenue (in particular, that stretch known as "The Magnificent Mile"...a term I dislike).
https://abc7chicago.com/post/largest-migrant-shelter-city-former-inn-chicago-ohio-street-streeterville-closing-friday/15548375/
https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/11/04/citys-largest-migrant-shelter-closing-next-week/
https://www.loopnorth.com/news/migrant1118.htm
It was amazing while it was open. Seemed like something out of a movie. The (anti) hilarity being of course that it was in the middle of a highly yuppified neighborhood. I'd see people coming into Whole Foods in droves who clearly had just come from the shelter. No problem with that just with that they were getting hand outs that the actual poor in Chicago weren't getting.
I feel for the people who are trying to make a better life as it must require tremendous motivation to risk the safety of one's family to make the trek...but it was all a con. Cheap votes. Cheap labor. Screw the lower-income citizens of the country. There was nothing "humane" about it. It was all a calculated con.
So, perfect for Chicago!
10/01/25: Gov. Pritzer: “People of Illinois, we need your help. While I'm busy lounging by the side of my pool/sauna/vodka storage unit, surrounded by my private security army, we need you to be inhaling tear gas and picking buckshot out of your pubes. Get your cell phones out – record what you see. Put it on social media... We need to let the world know this is happening.." And with that, he annihilated another ten 5-lb. Whoppers.
Protesting is complaining loudly. As someone -I forget who- once said, if simply carrying a cardboard sign solved anything at all, no war would be necessary, you could simply write "bang, you're dead." The insurrection already happened, the first one failed, the equivalent of a "beerhall putsch." The demented and delusional supreme leader has smart handlers this time. The lines of private property, free speech and due process have been breached.
A purge is taking place in the military to prevent a counter-coup. "Oh but they voted for this, they want a dictator" might be true about 35% of the ones who fell for this bought and paid for farce. Some people were just desperate as the democrats didn't really do jack for them either. America is gone, Americans are not. This has not been tried here yet and will possibly break with historical precedent. Team Red and Team Blue? "To hell with all of them!" But moderation is not called for, it's time to tell those already gunning down the homeless and hanging black men, even if it's wishful thinking "This is America; you can't do that here!"
You write, "Moderation is not called for, it's time to tell those already gunning down the homeless and hanging black men, even if it's wishful thinking 'This is America; you can't do that here!'"
Who is murdering bums in the streets and hanging black men, and where are these atrocities happening? Chicago?
What "insurrection" are you referring to? The ongoing one in Portland? The milling around in DC back in 2020, the criminal trespass that hysterics call an insurrection, at which undercover feds were well represented?
I'm getting tired of all these comparisons of Trump to Hitler and his administration and those of us who voted for him to Nazis. The constant harangues by people who know better have convinced many of the gullible that murder is acceptable political action. Playing fast and loose with accusations of Fascism and calling political opponents "Nazis" appears to be a deliberate escalation of rhetoric from the Left to justify assassinations, assault, rioting and looting. Much of the left's rhetoric borders on incitement to violence. Those who take to social media to praise the murder of Charlie Kirk and those who cheer the attempted murder of the president and those who encourage violent "resistance" to an imaginary, exaggerated threat from the Right are just short of admonitions along the lines of "Go out and kill a Nazi." What's the actual line? "Punch a Nazi."
The press, politicians, and the useful idiots in who take to the streets have hundreds of thousands of people convinced that Republicans, conservatives, Trump, and the MAGA movement are "Nazis" and "Fascists." This being the case, the calls to "punch a Nazi" and slogans like "Fascists get the bullet" are incitements to violence against us.
They are incitements to violence against Nazis, a group of people this country went to war allegedly to get rid of them, had a few show trials and help 1000s escape to South America, Argentina mostly. Are you actually saying you are a Nazi? Who is "us"? Charlie Kirk openly advocated violence against people who disagreed with him and thought he understood the words of Jesus Christ better than Jesus himself. I do not advocate the initiation of violence against those who have not already initiated it, right there at that day and time. No one deserves to get shot for talking shit.
One of the mass shootings took place in Minneapolis, another in Illinois. They arrested black men and said it was over drugs (of course ,what else could it be?). The hangings were actually of one black man and one white alleged drug addict (white tr*sh, white N——r) In Mississippi, Vicksburg. Could all be coincidence, but the violence started happening within hours of Brian Kilmeade’s advocacy for of the “involuntary euthanasia” of the homeless and mentally ill human beings, or “bums” as you call them. He issued what sounded like an AI written apology from a teleprompter on FOX but it was too late.
Never heard of Charlie Kirk until the Southpark episode, and killing people just for talking shit is un-American too. Exposing what is being sold, and trying to make a stronger argument is the way. Believe it or not, the organized left cautions against violence and tends to view those who advocate it as provocateurs, or simply security risks. I don’t even know who you are, and certainly don’t want you to have to deal with violence, but I do think Kilmeade should be fired by FOX or they should have their license pulled; what he was doing, was a textbook example of the “stochastic terrorism” they keep talking about.
I generally don’t cheer for the aggressive use of force, by anyone. If this was America, that behavior would not be normalized by now, but in the National Socialist States of dumbasfuckistan it seems to be getting normalized. I don’t call people fascists unless they have admitted they are one, but your dehumanizing of people you look down on is something fascists do. You might be a really nice guy for all I know. I’m out of here, do your own damn research.
You're out of your everlovin' mind.
There is no money involved in a bunch of losers showing up to play act as revolutionary civil rights era martyrs. You have any evidence at all of what you’re claiming in this specific instance or is this just typical right wing hyperventilating?
The right loves to pretend that people will only show up to speak out against fascism if they are being paid. Meanwhile, millions have been protesting for decades because they care about the world around them. Something much of MAGA seems incapable of.
it's refreshing to know who is actually making the decisions. I guess you all prefer unelected officials, the autopen and weekend at bernie's. seems like dems have been trying to overthrow the democratically elected president in both his terms, what might you call that?
Way to dodge the point. He's still POTUS.
It's not a dodge, it's a counterpoint, referring obliquely to the Russia hoax, the failed attempts to railroad Trump into prison, the failed attempts to murder him, and the failed attempts to impeach him, including the laughable attempt to impeach Trump when he was no longer in office. I still don't understand the crippled reasoning that led to that last action
Trump is still President because that little shitbag missed and killed a supporter prior to the election in which the DP ran a cackling wine mom, Officer Harris, bypassing their sham primary process, because their man went Full Retard.
The other doofus would-be-assassin got caught laying in wait and was thrown in prison.
People are waking up and leaving the DP in large numbers. A minority of extremists is making a bunch of bad noise about ICE deporting illegals, and their continued rioting and pathetic little fireworks displays serve only to further strenghthen the resolve of those of us who support aggressively rounding them up and deporting them.
If you think this is a bad idea, have a look at what's happing in the UK and Western Europe and be grateful we live in a democratic republic and thank those of us who voted Trump into office.
What "Fascism"? The Left has gone far beyond "speaking out" and have been the sole perpetrators of organized street violence in the US since 2020. Any action from the Right has been a reaction to this, and a comparatively weak or measured reaction at that.
Your sanctimonious claim that "millions have been protesting for decades because they care about the world around them" makes me want to vomit.
Sorry, but the data does not lie. Political violence is largely perpetrated by the right.
I hope you get the puke all over yourself while I go watch a documentary about the history of women's rights, civil rights and anti war protests in this country.
There’s lots and lots of USAID money that has paid these protestors for a very long time and lots of money passed around. Now that the spigot is off, and Trump is going after Antifa and using RICO for Soros et al, my guess is the lefty billionaires are panicking and are funding this fresh wave of violence and unhinged protestors directly.
If you want to change immigration laws do it through congress
ICE is not following the existing laws. People who have their paperwork in order and are doing everything right get snatched up. American citizens get taken too. As they have a quota to make they just need those arrest numbers. If they make their quota apparently even arrests with no legal grounds count. People have died in custody or sent to the wrong country with no record of it. An American citizen currently has a 50,000,000.00 lawsuit pending after getting arrested at his place of business in spite of his telling them he was a US citizen and was seriously injured requiring hospitalization and is still suffering from the after affects of the concussion. This “Take ‘em all in and let the lawyers sort it out” attitude is typical of the entire regime’s attitude towards existing laws and the constitution.
Well thanks for a thoughtful reply. I don’t imagine any law enforcement endeavor of this scale would be without errors willful or otherwise. I wasn’t happy that people were encouraged to cross the border, and I’m not happy about having to remove them either.
But my comment remains that this should have been address by congress years ago, not by law enforcement after the fact, and certainly not by protesters trying to prevent the action from taking place.
There may be an authoritarian zeal to this action on the part of some, but there is an undeniable revolutionary zeal to the protesters that makes a more civil response all the more difficult to achieve.
Pritzker and Newsom have been more vociferous in their support of illegal immigrants than they ever were about their own constituents.
If any law enforcement personnel get killed or maimed by these anarchists Priztger has blood on his hands. The guard troops are also protecting the detained immigrants, as demonstrated by the anarchist in Dallas that killed several detainees in the last Antifa attack.
Pritzger thinks this is good for his presidential ambitions? What a bunch of freaks!
I think what's on his hands is chicken grease. KFC original recipe.
The performance of students in Illinois public schools is shockingly bad. The number of murders per 100,000 in Chicago (mostly the south side) far surpasses the same ratio of deaths per 100,000 in war-torn Ukraine. But rather than focus on either of those urgent issues, issues that affect black constituents disproportionately, Pritzker points to Trump, ICE and the defense of non-citizens who are here illegally. It is much easier to do. There are no metrics for success or failure, and it gives him national stature. If there is anything Pritzker wants even more than a slice of pie with a doughnut and ice cream, it is the national lime light.
A knee jerk reaction: if Illinois is like many states, the vast rural areas are like a different planet than Chicago. In those rural areas and smaller towns, children are more likely to be home schooled, private schooled, or even public schooled at some decent schools, though not in numbers that would pull up the big city's performance. There are indeed two Americas.
Agreed.
And unless it has changed recently, illegals have more rights/benefits than citizens..... Tax money paid by citizens given to illegals for phones, housing, health care, etc. They commit crimes, and aren't jailed, but released to commit more crimes. It's a "funny" system we've developed (not "funny haha").
That’s what happens when Leftists turn their states in taxpayer flight depopulated ganglands. They have to re-populate with illegals to keep state governorships.
This administration has every legal right to arrest them for aiding. It would be nice if they did.
Maybe they're in favor of basic human rights. Shocking!
ICE is a federal agency created in 2003 by an act of Congress. They are enforcing current immigration laws. Laws that were also created by an act of Congress.
If Democrats are against ICE and the laws they are enforcing, why not present legislation in Congress that defunds ICE and changes the immigration laws?
Oh, right. Because immigration is an 80-20 issue, with the Democrats siding with the 20%. Thus, the usual Democrat reaction when their unpopular policies are rejected by the majority. Namely anarchy and widespread violence.
The Democrat Party is no longer a political party. It is a fifth column working in concert with the globalists and our foreign enemies to overthrow the US government.
Sad but true!
I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, but I have a question hopefully someone can answer:
Is it now the position of the Democratic Party that NO ONE in the country illegally should be deported? That border control and immigration policing are inherently evil and ipso facto "fascism"? That once you make it to America, no matter how you got here or what you do once you get here, it's wrong to kick you out?
I really can't wrap my brain around the idea that this could be the policy of a major political party.
Haven't you heard about their sudden and intense embrace of "due process?"
In my view, that means they simply need to show they are here legally or be deported. It's like when I try to get on an airplane; they check my ticket and ID. If there's a problem, I don't get to fly and then figure it out at my destination.
In their view, it means several rounds of legal proceedings, with judges and lawyers funded by taxpayers. In the interim, they get housing vouchers and "free" healthcare.
They love due process the way they love free speech. Sometimes.
I tried to question several people on Reddit about this, and what they mean when they say "due process." Not surprisingly, I didn't get a lot of technically knowledgeable answers. They reach for whatever propaganda line they can, like a kid reaching for a rock to throw, do they honestly expect the federal courts to just invent new forms of trials so that each illegal immigrant can have a jury of their non-peers decide if they're really here illegally?
They just want idiots to think that a freshly hired ICE agent can decide to deport any Hispanic American they grab off the street to a foreign detention center for narco-gangs, no questions asked. And there are a lot of idiots.
YES. It is all a part of the program to ensure one-party Marxicrat rule forever. It would have worked, but then a funny thing happened on the way to the Forum. Trump was reelected.
This is do or die for them. They continue to hemorrhage voters of all colors and both sexes. Their entire leadership is locked on the crazy train with the most violent radicals of their base. They are going to lose the midterms and 2028 and they know this, UNLESS they can stop the deportations, flood swing states with illegals and make sure their fraudulent votes count. The MAGA silverback is not going to let this happen to our great country. These lunatics have done what no other has accomplished other than a brief period after 9/11; united our country. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see a Klansman taking up arms alongside a black panther to beat these things back.
Force Pritzer to get specific. What exactly “won’t be tolerated”?
That then becomes the basis of declaring him in agreement with, or in violation/rebellion against federal authority, leading to co-opting him as a poseur, or to prosecution.
Pritzker is a billionaire. Why doesn't he volunteer his fortune to pay for Chicago's illegals?
Well he did spend more than $ 320 million of his own money ( not even counting some of his associated PACs) on his campaigns on the way to the governorship. So it's his to do what he wants. I mean he bought it fair and square!
Carbs are all welcome there
need the comic relief
Carbo loading, or is it carbo loaded?
What won't be tolerated? Overcooked fried cheese sticks. He gets cross when his cheese sticks have too much burned breading.
Seems like this is a hostile attack (riot) on a Federal facility. I seem to remember there were some pretty aggressive law enforcement responses allowed against that. As a matter a fact I seem to remember the justification of lethal force in that instance.
Don't any of the agents have tasers? Water cannons? Rubber bullets? Why can't military vehicles clear the way for ICE vehicles? Taxpayers will get pretty tired of having to replace all the vehicles these idiots are ruining.
Be careful what you wish for the leftists are hoping that an ICE agent shoots at least one of these protesters. They have spoken about this openly.
So what? If they are being attacked and property is being destroyed, why can't they pull out the water cannons?
Water cannons are fine, but I worry that someone will shoot a protester and then all-hell will break loose. That's all I was saying. I was projecting my fear onto your comments.
If a "non-violent" protester shows up wearing a gas mask / paint sprayer mask, carrying an umbrella or a shield and hiding their identity / looking like a member of the PLO, they are not there to peacefully protest.
Oh, you mean ICE agents? Who wear masks and carry weapons, knock down innocent civilians and worse?
Responding with the hope you might think about your statement:
1. ICE agents are Federal Law Enforcement agents who are duty bound to carry firearms
2. Agents who are responding to crowd control situations will wear gas masks for the possibility of having to deploy CS / Tear Gas for crowd control
3. Agents are wearing face coverings because there have been credible concentrated threats to their lives and their families' lives by "activists" who have threatened to kill them / cause bodily harm
-- https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/07/11/anarchists-and-rioters-portland-illegally-dox-ice-officers-and-federal-law
-- https://apnews.com/article/ice-agent-doxing-indictment-california-544db71360804ce0236866b30f22651e
4. There is a historical precedent for Law Enforcement officers who operation in high-threat environments to wear face coverings. see: Brazil, Mexico, Columbia, etc.
5. There is a huge difference today between the protesting and how it was done in the 1960's. There are large elements of the current protestors at ICE facilities who are not engaging in non-violent non-compliant acts of civil disobedience (Like sit ins), rather they appear to be actively seeking a confrontation.
One further important thought:
Immigration laws are Federal laws. The proper adult response to a law you don't agree with is to work to change the law through the legislative process.
Screaming at the top of one's lungs, trying to break things, threatening anyone who you don't agree with, threatening violence to get one's way and dressing up like a 1980's PLO member or a 1990's European anarchist is something toddlers do.
Local and State governments so far have refused to treat these people as toddlers, tell them that their behavior is not going to be tolerated in civil society and there will be legal consequences is exactly why the Federal Government is having to step in.
Responding to both of your sensible replies.
1.) There seems to be a weird complicity at play as regards the media. If you check the links to "Block Club Chicago" -- which is a yuppie-oriented newsletter here in Chicago -- you can see the clear slant. I do not know how this outfit is funded. Granted, it's Chicago and there's a large Latino and Chicano population but there's a tacit assumption that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration -- which is not true! I was recently chatting with a guy of Mexican heritage who noted how the open-border policies of the Biden (or "OBiden") administration only exacerbated the situation and essentially forced the hand of Trump (who is enforcing federal law). The situation was made so egregious that it is negatively impacting people who were here illegally but were "under the radar". Now, everyone is on the radar.
But the (putatively incorrect) assumption that all Hispanics favor illegal immigration is enough to scare the white liberals into playing along!
Per usual, situations are always given in a single, one-off fashion: the large picture is never examined, they only push individual, ad-hominem instances with emotional value.
I think many people are (finally, belatedly) starting to get the idea though. Open borders is but one part in a very large, cynical, callous, hateful scam on the American people and Western Civilization in general which uses the poor of other countries as pawns. It's not humane. It's not generous or kind or coming from charity, it's a selfish, focused scam.
2.) Right. The Constitution, specifically the First Amendment, guarantees the right to "peaceably assemble". Not interfere with or obstruct the execution of laws passed by Congress. And, yes, you're right also in that this is federal law.
I have been mystified for as long as I've heard about "sanctuary cities" as to how people (i.e., municipal leaders fishing for votes) think they have the authority to ignore federal law. Apparently, Chicago was the first "sanctuary city" [sic] due to declarations in 1985 by then-mayor Harold Washington (but subsequently reinforced and codified by Richard M. Daley):
https://news.wttw.com/2025/01/13/wttw-news-explains-how-did-chicago-become-sanctuary-city
https://www.chicagohistory.org/sanctuary-in-chicago/
In particular, there is something known as the "Supremacy Clause" which states that, in a conflict, federal law supersedes state law:
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artVI-C2-1/ALDE_00013395/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
So how is this even a debate? There's no controversy. Period. "Sanctuary cities" have no legal basis -- and it's ironic, if unsurprising, that Harold Washington and Richard M. Daley were both lawyers.
Appreciate your responses as well.
I think that there has been a concerted push by lobby groups / NGO's to actively change the language around illegal immigration, coupled with the general public's increasing lack of reading, historical understanding (even the last 30 years) and a move to online content that is easily edited and memory-holed.
I remember clips of Chuck Shumer and Hillary Clinton speaking against illegal immigration being shown on the news in the 1980s and 1990s when I was growing up. Good luck finding them in all the digital noise that exists, unless you have access to a TV station archive.
Or take the UFW -- that union either forgets or ignores their own history:
https://humanrights.fhi.duke.edu/chavez-ufw-and-wetback-problem/
I also think that lots of these "immigrant rights groups" (illegals) have used the dual cudgels of "racism" and "being kind" to get laws passed in liberal states (such as mine, Maryland) to also prevent state agencies from either enforcing pre-existing state laws or cooperating with federal laws.
Exactly. There is no attention paid to the goading and interference committed by these so-called "peaceful protestors"; the "innocent civilians" as the commenter called them as though they were assaulted without having acted against the agents.
If even local TV stations would cover these nightly protests people would have to start paying attention. I understand why lots of cable news networks are ducking coverage. I'm guessing the local TV stations are either intimidated by the protestors or they have marching orders from local / state officials not to cover it.
But you think it's okay for these agents to knock down elderly people and young women?
Why is it when one takes the time to logically point out all the holes in your argument you pivot to something completely unrelated to your original argument?
I was maybe even a bit more blunt than you. :-)
:) A blunt argument or a logical one still unfortunately generally lost on a person who is using thought terminating cliches as arguments. Wait for the retort "oh you do support the knocking down of the elderly and young women -- (insert historical term that they use without understanding it)"
How is the behavior of ICE agents unrelated? They are behaving horribly all over the country. Not just at protests. It's very indicative of what they are being told to do and what they think is okay.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/79-year-us-citizen-claims-ice-agents-body/story?id=125978834
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/manhattan/video-ice-family-agent-shove-woman-26-federal-plaza-detainee/6396717/
First link: A claim is not a fact.
Second link: The video also shows the woman placing her hand on the agent. This is a crime.
Please see:
https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-111-assaulting-or-resisting-a-federal-officer-explained/
If people try to obstruct the execution of the law, then they are breaking the law and can face consequences.
Your point is disingenuous at best; the agents aren't just "knocking people down" in an unprovoked fashion. These "people" are obstructing the ICE facility and are trying to prevent the agents from doing their job. That's obstruction of justice.
I agree it is a pity that these "people" are either too stupid or brazenly criminal (or both) that they put themselves in these situations.
But, no, I don't think it's "okay" -- the agents have a job to do and should be allowed to do their job. It's not "okay" for people to try to obstruct law enforcement.
If people disagree with the law then they should work to change the law. Interfering with the execution of laws passed by Congress is not legitimate "protest"; it is criminal obstruction. I wish this weren't happening but I don't think that a bunch of ill-advised (at best) "protestors" have the right to hold this country hostage as regards the execution of the law.
ICE agents are overreaching every day.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/79-year-us-citizen-claims-ice-agents-body/story?id=125978834
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/manhattan/video-ice-family-agent-shove-woman-26-federal-plaza-detainee/6396717/
First link: A claim is not a fact.
Second link: The video also shows the woman placing her hand on the agent. This is a crime.
Please see:
https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-111-assaulting-or-resisting-a-federal-officer-explained/
Since when is it okay to interfere with law officers enforcing the law?
You can challenge laws you disagree with, but If you interfere with law enforcement you are breaking the law. There are consequences. Potentially physical consequences.
I personally do not want illegal persons in my country. They bring nothing of value. Only crime, poverty and their hatred for the western civilization. Removing them by whatever means necessary is fine with me. The people I have worked with that came to this country through the proper channels and did the work to become US citizens are some of the better people I know.
The rest have not lived up to being even remotely useful to anyone including themselves. No talent, no concern for anyone but themselves.
This has been my experience.
This country was literally founded by immigrants.
Every single country on earth was founded by immigrants. Read a book, instead of always listening to a song?
As Matt L has said, this country is all of immigrant stock. Mine are mostly English and German. They brought western culture and grace with them from high trust societies. They did not have their hands out. No one paid their way. They worked to build a good life for themselves, family and those around them. They contributed to their community. I know because I have looked back on their lives.
No one paid their way because social security was created by FDR and medicare that cares for the elderly came about in 1965.
40% of elderly people used to live in poverty. Both those programs changed that.
Hopefully we learned from Kent State, but these are not campus radicals. There is dark money behind this and an organized war beginning at the very top with billionaire Governor "I just ate half a steer at Delmonicos and three dozen oysters" Pritzker. One thing's for sure, there must be millions of hungry illegal aliens who deep down are envious of Pritzker's copious jowls and the gluttony they represent.
And what if it turns out that JB "The Refrigerator" Pritzker is actually one of the ones funding these insurrections?
Whoever it is many of us would like to know.
Ha -- got me to laugh.
Hadn't heard anyone in Chicago referred to as "The Fridge" since the '85 Bears!
I have heard JB referred as "XXL".
The United Nations through US AID. It’s the democrat political party. The democrats get them hooked up with welfare, then..
The UN collects rent and paycheck percentages. Exactly what TDA was doing in Colorado, on a global scale. Europe, Britain, Canada, U.S.
The revolutionaries are pushing the useful idiots to start a conflict. It’s all a bit tiresome at this point.
What do big city mayors and blue state governors get out of supporting illegal immigrants? They reside is safe, protected suburbs. They get housekeepers and landscapers and maintenance workers and farm laborers on the cheap. Their credentialed staff keep promising voters utopian benefits. Their educational systems keep them supplied with more credentialed staff. Where's the harm (to the credentialed) of a little crime, drugs, and shoplifting from large companies with overpaid executives? They and their media supporters can simply ignore the occasional drug death, rape, and murder. If we don't talk about it, it never really happened.
In one case, Newsom, he’s using this as a springboard toward the Oval Office. If he can consolidate all Trump haters and “Open border” zealots to help him achieve his political goals…one downside is that he’s using “Our” money to do this, as has become the norm in CA…our money is his money…right.
Money CA doesn’t have…
Newsom's political career is over. He'll get a job at the UN or maybe with WEF, but his political aspirations are like unicorns or the tooth fairy.
I’m afraid it’s more nefarious than lawn care in the suburbs. After the October 7th attacks, Democrat aligned and funded groups celebrated. Last weekend they celebrated the life of a leftist convicted felon exiled in Cuba. They’re celebrating assassin Mangione.
The party is embracing terrorism.
The party has swung far to the left and are unabashedly Marxists.
In addition to what you listed, this is do or die in future elections for the dems. They will not win unless they can stop the deportations, move them to swing states and submit fraudulent votes. They have no desire to convince the actual voters. Their hemorrhaging of voters continues.
Let's be clear: pounding on ICE vehicles, blocking their movement, assaulting agents, etc., is not "protesting"--it is a riot, and should be dealt with accordingly.
Let's be clear.
Knocking down innocent people, breaking down doors, separating children from families and sending people to countries where they know no one is horrible. This country has and should do better.
Come through the front door of immigration. If not, pay the consequences.
How about ICE acts like decent human beings, regardless of where someone comes through? Defending violence is not a good look.
In my current thinking, the illegal immigration doors (especially south border) were allowed to fling open so wide and massively over 46, now w/ 47 voted in - there is a need to equally reverse that trend. That is what is occurring. Those that don’t believe in borders are fighting this, and ICE. I don’t agree with them, and yes I’d like ICE to act humanely. But there is a job now to be done. And there will be casualties. Yin and yang at play. I hope over time we arrive at an equilibrium.
Well friend, I guess they fucked around and found out, as the saying goes.. turns out, it was a Bad Idea to pay the cartels to enter the US illegally. Others will now get that message.
Hey, no families are being separated. In every case, the entire family is free to depart with the illegal, if they so choose.
Not your friend and I don't think ICE agents should be knocking down 80 year old men, or young women.
Well, in your opinion, I am not your friend, but rest assured, I do not see you as my enemy. Just one of the differences between us.
Should ICE be knocking down 80 year old men or young women? I dunno, depends on whether or not they are obstructing ICE agents in the performance of their duties. Enforcing the law is not dependent on age or gender, it applies equally to all. What a concept, huh?
80 year old men and young women were crucified by the FBI and DOJ for their part in the J6 riot. In fact, one young woman (Ashli Babbitt) was gunned down in cold blood by capitol policeman Michael Byrd. But I'm guessing you weren't too concerned about that.
Such hypocrites you guys are. Even though, I still don't hate you.
Defending fascism is so ugly. I am not a hypocrite. I think ICE should treat everyone with respect and not brutalize people. I guess that's where we differ. Shoving an elderly man and shouting at them is disgusting.
You're defending the insurrection? But you're mad that people are protesting ICE. Talk about hypocrisy.
And BTW: no one is "mad" that people protest against ICE. They can organize, picket, speechify, etc all day long, no problem. But verbal and physical assaults against agents, threats, interfering with ICE in the exercise of their duties, etc., is not "protesting." Which is where we started this convo.
Ummm... your so-called "insurrection" has been revealed to have been instigated by 300 FBI informants/provocateurs who were in the crowd that day.. maybe you missed that news. And what about the mysterious pipe bomber? No investigation of that by the J6 Committee. Etc. You've been misled by a lot of bad/incomplete information on that topic.
While I am more conscious of and concerned with the issue of police violence than you could know, I would withhold any judgment as to the rightness or wrongness of their actions unless I can see the specifics. 80 year old men are very capable of getting physical with agents and then playing the "hey, I'm an old guy" card. Seen it before.
And ICE agents should "treat everyone with respect"??? You mean even the people who are calling them every nasty name in the book (starting with Nazi), spitting on them, threatening them, doxing them, etc. ICE is supposed to treat them with respect?
Where I come from, respect is always--always--a two-way street. How about you?
"Pritzker said Monday that ICE’s immigration enforcement is a “pretext to deploy military troops” in the region, and warned that 100 military personnel are on their way."
This is so fucking irresponsible, he knows there are millions of brainwashed sheep out there buying into this military takeover of the United States bullshit. The left claims they aren't calling for violence, only in between calling for violence.
Pritzker’s naked 2028 ambition is putting ILand law enforcement across the country at huge risk.
Shame on him and the wokistas in media and hollywood and elsewhere promoting this idiocy.
Where is Mayor Richard J. Daley when you need him?
Turning in his grave...
In what way is a violent, centrally managed effort to use force to prevent federal law enforcement from carrying out lawful orders, not an insurrection against the United States?