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Lois Lassiter's avatar

Ummm....I have mixed feelings about this.

Don't criticize crazy whites for widening the gap until you do EXACTLY THE SAME for crazy blacks widening the gap.

Metcalf's father seems to be a liberal who can't see what is being done to his son's memory is just wrong.....he seems to want to self flagellate at the alter of 'white ain't right.'

Saying, immediately, that he 'forgave' his son's killer would not have been uttered had he died at the hands of a white good ole boy with a gun. It's so sad to see the neutering of white males in real time.

The kid who killed his son is a straight up thug criminal, regardless of color.....but this daddy can't even muster the least bit of outrage because the assailant is black. So sad.

The ONLY way we get over this race problem is to STOP defending bad people on both sides. If you are bad, you are bad, period.

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Gerald Cuesta's avatar

You have no idea what the father’s feelings or reasons are. In the age of trump forgiveness is weakness.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

Blah blah blah......forgiveness is one thing.....that's not what he did. Did you watch his 'forgiveness' speech? It was totally a tiptoe to make it seem like he forgives the other kid. I guarantee....and I mean that...if the the other kid was white, no forgiving so quickly. And WHY do you have to bring Trump into it? What in the actual fuck does Trump have to do with this?

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Gerald Cuesta's avatar

Thanks for proving my point.

Peace unto you.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

The idea of "Trump" is central. Not the man himself, necessarily, but you can tell who's cheering for who on crimes like this by how they voted in November.

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Scott Snell's avatar

What an incredibly presumptuous, blinkered response. Nuance much?

Preachy, faux-moralistic, finger-waggling opinions like this are exactly what drove millions to vote for Trump.

Jesus effing Christ.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Of course you’re right! There’s no divisiveness in America, not from either tribe.

What was I thinking?

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Scott Snell's avatar

On further reflection, you have a point. Pardon the overreaction. I just think that the correlation of a Trump vote to any particular ideological orientation is lower than The Left is willing to concede. He had a wide-ranging coalition this time around, motivated by frustration.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Most comments from the MAGA brethren are marked by the same timber and tone, more often than not much worse.

Though the MAGA comments are typically regurgitated propaganda

and false talking points from the far-right ecosystem.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Ignorance, stupidity, mendacity and meretriciousness are the defining characteristics of the average Trump voter. This is what motivates the Trump voter.

Doubt very much the average Trump voter spends much time taking the pulse of the opposition on social media sites such as this Racket News. Owning the libs and placing their grubby little hands on a tax cut are fan favorites also.

This is well-understood by most Americans. Reasonably educated Americans, at any rate.

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Scott Snell's avatar

That is ill-considered and hateful a remark as I have seen in some time. Your little temper tantrum exposes your prejudice, nothing more. Clearly, you are one of the 15 percent or so who hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate, one more time, hate Trump, period, for god knows what reason. Maybe you have daddy issues. You cannot get past it, either, and frankly, it’s gotten rather tedious. The man could cure cancer and it wouldn’t phase you.

But it’s not enough to hate just the man; you have to extend it to anyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint. To justify your hatred you depict these seventy-seven million people as subhuman, a truly amazing conceit.

That’s a character defect, dude, a really ugly one. God help us if your tribe should ever come to power.

Oh yeah: Twenty point deduction for your pompous misuse of the word “meretricious.” Nothing screams “pseudo-intellectual” like the conspicuous use of an obscure word when a common one would do.

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Hawker's avatar

What a total BS post! You are political stupidity personified!

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

And an extremely articulate, well thought-out response you have provided. You artfully deconstructed my view, showing all that you are right.

You sound like you have fucking Tourette's. "total BS!" "stupidity!" "pissant!" "cocksucker!"

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Hawker's avatar

Typical leftist. Trying to push the narrative into the political arena. "how they voted in November" Your attempt at stoking the race fire is so apparent that it proves just how stupid you are. Get out there and start your chant. "I can't breathe" hands up" no justice no peace and on and on and on.

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RRDRRD's avatar

"What in the actual fuck does Trump have to do with this?" Ditto. Its getting to be time for the equivalent of a Godwin's Law for non sequitur Trump nonsense.

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Gerald Cuesta's avatar

The ugly crassness of everything. The acceptance of his toxicity, the excusing and enabling of it, it’s all part of it.

Existed before he hit the political stage for sure; but his presence emboldens it. Lack of accountability, divisiveness, whining, playing the victim, aggrievement, he’s made it a badge of honor for millions.

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Elizabeth's avatar

“Lack of accountability, divisiveness, whining, playing the victim, aggrievement, he’s made it a badge of honor for millions.“ you’re describing the left, starting with obama, perfected with Biden, oh, I repeat myself. Typical of the left: accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing.

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Tom's avatar
7dEdited

Obama and Biden are "left"?

Jesus, the Overton Window, or as I prefer to call it the Overton Ratchet is at its final destination. If we have reached a point where dirtbag corporate deep state warmongering CIA-approved presidents, and Senators from Credit Card are "the left" then this country is f*cked.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Senators from Credit Card. That is awesome.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

The left and right both fucking do it. Someone pointing out how bad the right is does nothing. Someone pointing out how bad the left is does nothing.

Let's stop arguing about who's worse. They both suck.

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trembo slice's avatar

Yes, but one objectively has lost their fucking minds. The ones that are pro-war, pro-censorship, pro-tranny, anti-bodily autonomy. They used to be anti-war - but they’re no longer bleeding hearts - they’re fucking delusional science-deniers that are on the wrong side of every single issue.

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Vet nor's avatar

Yes, because right wing maga people sufferd no consequence for a march on the house. Oh wait.... sorry, that was left wing of all colors marching on the Supreme Court, the WH, the federal courthouse in Portland, burning down hundreds of businesses, now vandalizing Tesla dealerships and cars, intimidating people and businesses because they haven't jumped on their victim aggreivment tour bandwagon.

You are looking through the wrong end of your telescope my friend.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

The view is identical regardless of which end of the telescope one uses.

Both tribes long ago went past the line of being able to look at the world objectively.

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trembo slice's avatar

What you seem to be missing is the wave of populism across the globe is a reaction from the majority after being marginalized in their own countries. Majorities shouldn’t discriminate against minorities, but you have to be a legit retard (not you - but generally) to not understand that a majority will not be discriminated against by a minority. That’s a quick way to have an over-correction.

We’re crass and mean because we’re tired of emotional appeals - fuck your emotional arguments.

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RRDRRD's avatar

Yeah, we really need that rule... maybe we could call it the Cuesta Law.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

TDS, a terminal case.

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BookWench's avatar

Oh please!

We had ugly crassness with Barack being interviewed by some wacky lady in a bathtub full of cereal.

We had toxicity in the utter lack of condemnation by any elected democrat back in 2015-2016, when thugs were openly attacking people wearing Trump gear.

We had -- and still have -- total lack of accountability on the Covid scam.

We had Barack stoking racial fires every chance he got, whether it was the "cops acted stupidly" remarks, or the "If I had a son. . . " nonsense.

We have put up with nonstop whining by anti-Trump forces for years now, and I don't see any signs of it dying down, as they continue to label Trump supporters "RACIST, Nazi, sexist, etc. . . "

It's amazing to me how you can even attempt to make this point about Trump and his supporters. Such a breathtaking lack of awareness.

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Larry's avatar

"In the age of trump forgiveness is weakness."

In what age of America was forgiveness not considered weakness?

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trembo slice's avatar

Their utopia where men keep their dicks but are women.

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VideoSavant's avatar

Nice shiny hammer you have there...good luck with all the imaginary nails.

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Somewhere in the middle's avatar

Choke on a bag of dicks

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Gerald Cuesta's avatar

Bless your heart

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"If you are bad, you are bad, period."

Nope. There is a reason that courts are (or at least, used to be) places where mitigating factors are (were) a thing. Literally every case is different, and the public should be re-educated in this process, including why "innocent until proven guilty" exists. We don't currently have an MSM capable of this.

I believe this really got rolling when some bright political activist discovered the mob power of "zero tolerance" in the '90s.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

No, bad is bad. There were no mitigating circumstances here. The boy was not hungry or needed shoes. He felt 'dissed.' Period, end of story. Boys used to get into fist fights to work it out....now one side always pulls a weapon and cheats, basically. You feel dissed? Fine, but you don't stab someone over it. What do you think this stellar member of society will do to a girl friend the first time she 'disses' him? Maybe he learned it from Daddy? Bad is bad is bad. Stabbing someone to death for nothing is bad. There is no circumstance where this is anything but violence. And....if it was a black boy he stabbed, no one would care either way....but some huckster sees an oppo to make bank off the suffering of others....and a shit ton of guilty white people think throwing money at the black people will somehow absolve them of their own bigotry. Nice try, tho. I'm white and I know wrong when I see it. The Nashville shooter was white and female, just like me.....bad. Evil. It does exist....and it's not one color or the other.

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T247's avatar

Not only that, the kid brought a knife to a track meet. The video of him circulating on the internet of him beating the shit out of another white kid doesn’t exactly make him look like a choir boy either.

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Tom's avatar
7dEdited

I'd like a link to this video as well, please. Thanks. I searched everywhere and can find nothing, so I think you may have been lied to.

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Hawker's avatar

How about a reference as to where that video can be found! Please

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"There were no mitigating circumstances here ... Period, end of story."

We really just don't know yet. What we've got is media reports, selling this to their respective audiences.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

Yeah, we pretty much do know.

You know the line from Hamlet, right? Ammeded version.

"Me thinks the race baiting lawyer doth protest too much."

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"Yeah, we pretty much do know."

We have infamous court cases all the time where popular impressions do not result in matching verdicts. We call the jurors "dummies" in our echo chambers, but of course we weren't there.

I'm inclined here the way you are, but I just don't pass final judgment so early. I've seen way too much the way modern media influences society for the worse.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

I would readily agree, had not the 'usual suspects' showed up to tell us he was innocent....sad to say, at least in my mind, when the hucksters show up, I have a hard time believing in the veracity of their claims....I mean, George Floyd is a hero?????

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BookWench's avatar

What sort of mitigating circumstances can possibly excuse him for stabbing Austin in the heart?

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Stxbuck's avatar

Exactly. Also, Metcalf’s dad offering forgiveness doesn’t mean that Anthony shouldn’t rot in prison for 40 years, or that the two concepts are exclusive of each other.

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Karen's avatar

Thank you! If any case requires due process of law it is this one.

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Gerald Cuesta's avatar

My comments have nothing to do with the case, the kid killed someone. The law must do what it’s designed to do. My comment is strictly about supposing what the victims father feels or what his motives are.

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BookWench's avatar

I have been appalled at the outpouring of support -- both financial and otherwise -- for this thug who stabbed a guy in the heart for telling him to move to another chair. It's astonishing. I do not understand how it can be defended by anyone, of any race.

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The Radical Individualist's avatar

I get your point, but...

Let me amend Lois's statement (without her permission, sorry) to say that whatever constitutes 'bad' for one race constitutes 'bad' for all races.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

Agreed. But as the saying goes, here, "the jury ain't in yet".

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VideoSavant's avatar

I don't have time to play these games. I'm not a juror, I'm an citizen/observer looking at the very long and very detailed form to date.

I might be wrong, but I'll deal with that, if and when. I think the chances of that -- that this hot-headed dindunuffin is innocent -- is as close to zero as it gets.

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Anti-Hip's avatar

"I'm not a juror, I'm an citizen/observer looking at the very long and very detailed form to date."

That's fine with me. What rubs me the wrong way is a blanket and definitive judgment call ... and many of the things that can follow from that. That's why we today have trials, not vigilantes, in the first place.

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BookWench's avatar

So we aren't allowed to express an opinion, for fear it will lead to vigilantes?

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Anti-Hip's avatar

You are right that we should be able to express opinions. (I have the same case opinion as the majority here.)

I lament the fact that we (US society) are far less conscious of the limitations of opinions than, say, fifty years ago, and that it leads to more pretensions and intractable division. For some reason, we seem to have uniformly worse leaders than before. I don't see how to fix those things fast.

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Shelley's avatar

I think it rolled under Obama. All mitigating standards are connected to 'feelings' of some sort and that goes both ways. Remember the white kid who got off a manslaughter charge in CA because he was 'rich' and it was an accident? (later on went to prison because he was a criminal).

The infusion of feelings, like it's not the person's fault that they had a bad upbringing, were abused, not taught right from wrong or any other such nonsense. Best current example is Luigi Mangione.

This is what happens when the normal understanding of justice has been adulterated. That 17-year-old stabbed and killed another and the just punishment is owed. Has nothing to do with skin color.

In the mid-19th century a man (congressman) was found not guilty of bring a gun to a place he knew the man his wife was having an affair with and shot him dead, the son of Francis Scott Key. His lawyers introduced a new plea, temporary insanity. He continue his congressional term.

More recently a mostly woman jury found man innocent of shooting his wife dead, even with a video taken by the wife with her cell phone during an argument about her seeing another man. The video showed him shooting her.

This country is a lawless place, has no justice. Period. Saw that during the J6th sentences.

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Chris Barth's avatar

The media does more to polarize us than anyone. Not black or white. The media picked a side. America is racist. That’s the narrative . Now they have lost a lot of credibility.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

God damn. Taibbi’s audience is way more unwittingly racist that I realized. They even have justifications to back it up, giving them a self-righteous edge to their ideas

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

Oh, honey, the REAL racists are the ones who are trying to blame the white victim of a stabbing simply because he's white. Had been black, no one would care, because no money could be made off it. Don't believe me? Just peruse the news......see how many black boys are killed every single day that NO ONE gives a rats ass about. I didn't make those rules.....Mr Race Baiter, Esq didn't run to represent ANY of them....because he saw no profit in it. He's a loathsome individual.....the parents of the killer are likely being talked to nonstop to convince them that their little devil's spawn had no choice but to kill this evil white child who said.....literally....'move.' But, whatever.

The fun fact is that black people have now achieved full equality in this country. It used to be that only disgusting, racist white people could get away with murdering people of another race.....CONGRATS, now disgusting black people can get away with it too. PROGRESS!!!

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

I just googled “Austin Metcalf” and sorted by news. The first two choices, The Independent and Fox News, both representing two spectrums of conservative and more liberal news, and both articles don’t blame the victim.

So what the fuck are you on about? This white victimhood narrative is so tiring in our country. Go to therapy and deal with some of your unconscious biases for Christ sake.

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BookWench's avatar

White victimhood?

What are you talking about?

The white guy told a black kid to move and the black kid stabbed him in the heart.

Reverse the races and then consider what the fallout would be.

Or, as Lois suggests, make both of them black and consider the fact that it would barely even make the news.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

Ok….i’ve ran your hypotheticals through my head. What insight should I be gleaning from your scenarios?

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BookWench's avatar

Sorry, dude.

I left my crayons in the other room.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

I just googled “Austin Metcalf” and sorted by news. The first two choices, The Independent and Fox News, both representing two spectrums of conservative and more liberal news, and both articles don’t blame the victim and clearly seem to state the defendant (the alleged stabber), is going to have a very difficult time claiming self defense in this case.

So what the fuck are you on about? This white victimhood narrative is so tiring in our country. Go to therapy and deal with some of your unconscious biases for Christ sake.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

when you use IDIOTIC phrases like 'unconscious bias,' I IMMEDIATELY tune out.

Your ilk is no longer in charge of the dialogue....oh, you can call me a racist too....I don't care, because it's not true.

I don't do therapy.....buy you CLEARLY do.

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Tom's avatar

Find one example of a comment by someone blaming the (white) victim of a stabbing strictly on the basis of his ethnicity. You must traffic in some bizarre online spaces.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

I just googled “Austin Metcalf” and sorted by news. The first two choices, The Independent and Fox News, both representing two spectrums of conservative and more liberal news, and both articles don’t blame the victim.

So what the fuck are you on about? This white victimhood narrative is so tiring in our country. Go to therapy and deal with some of your unconscious biases for Christ sake.

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Tom's avatar
7dEdited

My reply was to Lois. I was agreeing with you, Kweefer. Caffeinate and then revisit.

But let me add that this, and more so, comments and replies from Matt's right wing culture warrior and Hasbara pro-Israel commentariat are why I ended my paid subscription to this site. The comments section is a pitiable collection of angry right-wing nutcase white people sniping and jawing at each other under the author of books like 'The Divide' and 'I Can't Breathe' who has now shifted to the dark side of moneyed siloed online commentary. Matt has been made filthy rich by Trumpist racist assholes and he knows from whence his paychecks come. Keep subscribing, though. You're part of the problem now.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

I thought I was replying to the gentleman above your comment. Apparently I’m technologically illiterate.

Yeah, I’m disappointed in his audience as well…it’s surprising to see a group of people who read someone like Taibbi who questions authority (sometimes), and they don’t learn that skill their selves. All of them falling for this race baiting bullshit is sad to watch.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

Whatever you say

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James Twigg's avatar

No Kiefer, the audience is pretty much rational human beings that see people as either right or wrong and NOT black or white.

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trembo slice's avatar

God damn. Being astute observers of events is unwittingly racists?

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Michael Bellomo's avatar

youre part of the problem

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Michael Bellomo's avatar

you're part of the problem

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Somewhere in the middle's avatar

Fuck off white savior cunt

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

Thank you for illustrating my point

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Michael Kellogg's avatar

And yet, it doesn't seem to ever happen that other way, the white good ol' boy stabbing the black kid basically unprovoked.

Whites don't care that they're white. Yet for blacks, being black seems to be a core part of their identity and brings with it all kinds of racialist baggage. It doesn't seem like a stretch to figure Anthony felt emboldened or even compelled to lash out at Metcalf, in a way that wouldn't have existed had the races been reversed.

It's a problem our society needs to confront, but never will.

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BookWench's avatar

Stats on intra-racial crimes tell the truth -- but we can't talk about those because that might be RACIST!

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Agree, this works as long as it goes for both tribes. Looks like this kid should do some time for murder. Maybe not first degree, but damn. Then again, maybe Kyle Rittenhouse, the dipshit who shot up a BLM rally in Kenosha, Wisconsin and killed 2 men, should have done time too.

New Rule: If you voted for Trump and want to see Karmelo Anthony jailed, you have to also support Rittenhouse being jailed.

If you voted for Harris and think it's terrible that Rittenhouse got away with murder, you have to think Anthony is guilty too.

They're both innocent or they're both guilty. Anyone who argues differently is part of the problem.

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Boris's avatar

Except, of course, that Rittenhouse had every right to carry where he did (unlike the little angel Karamello who brought a knife to school property which apparently isn't allowed) and only shot back in self-defence.

But when you're a dishonest leftie, you go for false equivalence and hope nobody notices.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Two punks that went looking for trouble and found it.

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BookWench's avatar

Rittenhouse wasn't a punk.

He may have exhibited poor judgment, but he was not a punk.

He'd spent the day helping family friends in the area repair the damage done by rioters the previous night.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

OK. A 17-year-old kid with exceptionally poor thinking skills takes a powerful assault weapon across state lines. If he was helping repair damage, that wouldn’t do much good. Hammer, saw, duct tape, these are helpful for repair. Assault weapons are designed to do what he did with them—kill humans.

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Tricia's avatar

He did not "take a powerful weapon across state lines." He lived in one state (I think at his mother's house) and crossed the state line, where he retrieved the weapon (at his father's house, I think).

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BookWench's avatar

And to protect the property of his friends, who had a small business that had been damaged.

And I have to chuckle at your “powerful assault weapon” line.

Good grief.

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Boris's avatar

We don't really know about the current case yet, but for Rittenhouse facts disagree.

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BookWench's avatar

You really need to read up on the Rittenhouse case, because your description is woefully inaccurate.

Rittenhouse was actually threatened by armed assailants, and in fear for his life.

Karmelo was told to move to a different chair.

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Sandra Pinches's avatar

More people are openly asking why "leftists,' Progs, Democrats, etc. spend so much energy on advocating for the worst people. Advocating for predators and sociopaths is so obviously a stupid and suicidal thing to do, it is evidence that the advocates are on a self-destructive path and want to drag everyone else with them.

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Blissex's avatar

«More people are openly asking why "leftists,' Progs, Democrats, etc.»

That "etc." includes many corporate HR departments, corporate CEOs, corporate journalists, corporate columnists, and corporate money pays a lot of the Democrats.

Since executives and shareholders of corporations have as their highest priority to make money, obviously many of them reckon that wokeism/anti-wokeism helps them make more money; perhaps they think that it helps their policies against labor unionization.

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Chris Barth's avatar

The media does more to polarize us than anyone. Not black or white. The media picked a side. America is racist. That’s the narrative . Now they have lost a lot of credibility.

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Chris Barth's avatar

The media does more to polarize us than anyone. Not black or white. The media picked a side. America is racist. That’s the narrative . Now they have lost a lot of credibility.

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Chris Barth's avatar

The media does more to polarize us than anyone. Not black or white. The media picked a side. America is racist. That’s the narrative . Now they have lost a lot of credibility.

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Christopher Carelock's avatar

I don’t see it that way. We southerners are typically deeply religious in a Protestant Pentecostal version of Christianity than doesn’t necessarily always believe the meek will inherit the Earth or to turn the other cheek but usually does involve an instinctive willingness to forgive the most horrific transgressions. I don’t think this is a racially motivated incident as much as a typical show of teenage male bravado gone awry. It’s the media and people who OBSESS over tribal politics who project and inject their own feelings about the world into these situations. If the family wants to have a heart of forgiveness, who the hell are you to tell him otherwise?

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Enticing Clay's avatar

Lois,

You are straight up lying. You don't believe in race and it is so easy to prove.

You will run away like a coward from this conversation because you know you don't believe in race--and you can't intellectually defend it--because they never told you what to say.

Because they never told you what to say!!!!

It is so ridiculously pathetic. All you have to do is ask race preachers to defend their belief in race and they will run away like pathetic cowards.

Just try it.

It's hilarious to watch.

Than ask, why are many people who don't believe in race trying to convince so many others to believe in race?

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No one believes that race is real is except a hand full of literally insane people.

99.9999(keep running nines) percent of the people who *preach and teach race* don't believe in race, and they will loudly and PROUDLY tell the world that race is a lie--all you have to do is ask. Even they aren't shit stupid enough to say that they believe in race--because it's completely insane.

Believing that your dog is telling you to use alchemical texts to build a rocket to the moon to get cheese for dog treats is infinitely less crazy. Dogs are real and they want treats and they can communicate. Have you ever listened to someone sincerely argue that race is real. They are completely nuts-nuts. You have to be--it's that incredibly stupid. Race is totally incompatible with evolution. And race is full on nazi shit. Race cannot exist without racial purity. Race is racial purity. Race is racism.

But rocket ships and cheese gets you put on a psychiatric hold and preaching race gets you promoted.

Propaganda isn't repeating a lie until it is believed. Any idiot can lie. Small children lie. Propaganda is the power to make an atheist praise god. The power to force someone to lie.

If you are so weak and pathetic that you can forced to preach race, then you will never do anything of consequence in your life. You dug your own grave and buried yourself alive because you are a weak, pathetic coward. And you traded all this for what exactly? The hope they would leave you alone? Pathetic joke.

Race is a public oath of total and complete submission.

And damn was it ridiculously easy to get everyone to suck on race so hard with a "very sincere" smile.

Pathetic.

That "higher learning" is the epicenter of this submission is the best part.

That this direct language is only the beginning of what will be required to wake this slumber is a testament to your own conscious submission.

Tough love is needed here.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

ummmmm.....cray cray doesn't even begin to describe this rant.

I won't 'run away' from it......it's just insane ranting with no point.

'No one believes that race is real' Yeah, race is REAL, but it's irrelevant as it pertains to human behavior......if you LET it be irrelevant.

Problem is too many people make too much money defining race and supporting racial differences. If people were making money off of all races being the same, it would be a different world.

But, seriously....you need some medication.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

Let's just start with easy questions about how race is completely incompatible with evolution.

So how does this work--when two different races "mix" (and "mix" means 'make a child') is a new race created?

Or is that new baby just 'mixed' and becomes racially impure?

Can new races be created, if not, which races are the "true" races?

Did the current races evolve from other races "mixing" together? Or what? How did the current races come about? (By far my favorite answer here is that the different races evolved from different animals.)

Do you believe that the different raced evolved from different animals, or do you just discard evolution completely?

Race and evolution are completely incompatible.

How does does race and evolution work together in your mind?

Please take your time expanding on your beliefs here.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

You know, it's not people like ME pushing race....it's idiots on the LEFT pushing race all the time.....just FYI.

RACE used to be a tool of the RIGHT to suppress certain races and definitions of race were started in that line of reasoning.

NOW, race is used by the LEFT to gain entry and to exclude entry.....the left are the new racists and they are just as evil as the old racists.....

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Tom's avatar

You know nothing about "the LEFT" if you are talking about real leftists such as socialists or communists. They don't care at all about "race" and focus only on class, while working to ensure that OTHERS do not divide the working class on the basis of "race" - a long time trick of the capitalist or feudal lord classes to keep the 'little guy' divided and fighting themselves instead of the power structure.

If you think that the modern corporate owned warmongering Democratic Party are "the left" then something has gone very wrong, and the master class has succeeded - Granted, there are a few MEMBERS of the Democratic Party that could qualify as honest leftists on some issues, but even they have been subverted by the culture wars, and the culture wars are created not by powerless people with no economic clout, but by the richest of the rich, not exactly a group historically classifiable as "leftist" or "communist."

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Enticing Clay's avatar

All group identity is intellectual and moral suicide.

Worth saying twice--

All group identity is intellectual and moral suicide.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

I AGREE, you idiot....I am not the one pushing the division.

THE RACE BAITERS ARE.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

And let's be clear, your are very purposefully pushing racial division, and it would be really really really fucked up if you were doing that when you didn't even believe in race.

It's bad enough on it's own, but if you don't even believe in your own slop?

So try to make your answers seem as if you really believe in race.

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

OK, so let's clearly establish that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

RACE DOES EXIST as a physical characteristic.....you know, like breeds of dogs, but they are all still dogs.

I am not the one pushing division. I am the one calling out the race BAITERS who push division for profit. But you are too stuck on you idiotic trope that I don't believe in race.....WTF? Do you read your comments before you post them?

I don't believe that people should be JUDGED based on race....that is different than not believing in race. Reading comprehension, try it sometime.

You don't know anything about me.

And you either cannot read or cannot write or both, maybe.

I can't be any clearer than this......RACE exists as an immutable PHYSICAL characteristic. RACE should not ever be the sole determining factor in a person's life....EVER. BUT, to say it doesn't exist is moronic. It does exist. There ARE differences in the races. There is a good reason why the majority of the NBA are black men.....that is a meritocracy where certain physical traits that are more common in black men than in white make them better players. It does not mean black men are better PEOPLE, but rather possess physical capabilities that make them better players. Even so, there are exceptional white players as well, just not as many.....and this is exactly WHY race should never be the sole determining factor in anything.

RACE baiters, like the attorneys supposedly 'helping' the Anthony family are hucksters.....preying on the situation and the vulnerable......likely raking in enormous sums of money to 'help' this family, all the while knowing this boy is going to prison. The facts are pretty clear. He stabbed an unarmed boy to death in front of multiple witnesses.....and there is likely video of it somewhere as well since everything is videoed.

You need to quit with your insane ranting about I don't believe in race and that I'm lying.....IT'S MY OPINION....opinions are neither lies nor truth, they are my TAKE on the situation.

Nobody seems to care too much except you....and you seem to have some serious issues.

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Tom's avatar

Race absolutely does not exist in any scientifically meaningful manner. It's comforting for some people to believe in the notion of "race" but it's a construct. I recommend this book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racecraft

It was recommended to me years ago by a commentor under one of Taibbi's articles at Rolling Stone.

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BookWench's avatar

Then how come anthropologists can determine both the gender and the race of a deceased person by examining a few bones?

And what about sickle cell anemia?

And supporting your statements with Wikepedia is just lame, dude.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

Still haven't answered any of the questions about evolution and race.

People who really believe in race have real answers for these questions.

Those answers might be (and are) completely nuts, but they have answers--because they actually believe what they are saying.

There is nothing about your conversation that makes me think you really believe in race at all. The "race exists because of basketball" line is like a parody of race beliefs. You can't construct a world view out of the world "basketball".

Again (simply because it is a great line)--Did race exist before basketball?

It's possible that you are a 12 year old with a substack who has really racists parents--and who couldn't argue their way out of a wet paper bag.

But you smell liken an op.

Again--people who really believe in race have details to their beliefs because they are human--but you have no details.

Why do you have no details? Are you really just a twelve year old with racist parents?

People want to tell the story about what they believe. People who are lying about race never want to tell their story--because there is no story to tell.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

Answer the evolution questions below. I been having this conversation for decades, if you really believe in race then you have detailed answers for those questions.

Prove me wrong.

I love the "God must be black because he is good at basketball" argument.

How in the world is race immutable? Did God make race?

Did race exist before basketball?

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DavidH's avatar

Another murderous thug lionized by the lunatic left.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

Who the fuck is lionizing him?

I just googled “Austin Metcalf” and sorted by news. The first two choices, The Independent and Fox News, both representing two spectrums of conservative and more liberal news, and both articles don’t blame the victim and clearly seem to state the defendant (the alleged stabber), is going to have a very difficult time claiming self defense in this case.

So what the fuck are you on about? This white victimhood narrative is so tiring in our country. Go to therapy and deal with some of your unconscious biases for Christ sake.

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BookWench's avatar

The people donating to his "legal" fund are certainly lionizing him.

Read some of the comments on the donations page.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

Ok. So some people think it’s alright for a person to stab enough person. What am I supposed to take away from that?

Some people think Biden was a good president and that Trump’s tariff policy is a good idea. My grandma thinks there are ghosts. So what?

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BookWench's avatar

So thinking that there are ghosts does not result in a dead teenager.

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Kiefer Eubank's avatar

I’m asking you to explain what conclusions you’re drawing from this.

What beliefs are resulting in dead teenagers and who is responsible? What groups do we need to be wary of and why? Explain your thoughts.

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carily myers's avatar

The "new" St George". They have at least 2 to pick from. A thug in El Salvadore or this thug. Oops, also the thug murderer of the Insurance CEO.

Any of them will suffice to arrange for the new Summer of Love, just pick one.

Chaos is what they want.

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Luna Umbra's avatar

Anthony’s bond was slashed from $1 million to $250,000, because apparently a judge thought a quarter-mil was enough to keep a first-degree murder suspect on a leash. Meanwhile, Anthony’s family has raked in over $400,000 on GiveSendGo, because nothing screams “justice” like crowdfunding a defense fund while the victim’s family buries their son. Imagine the headlines if the races were flipped: a white family cashing in on donations after their kid allegedly knifed a black teen—CNN would need a new graphics package.

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William Morrison's avatar

If a white kid brought a knife to a track meet and stabbed a black kid, the planet would have already spun out of orbit and flown into the sun by now.

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Blissex's avatar

«a first-degree murder suspect»

I may be wrong but I seem to remember that if someone is charged with first degree murder and it was not quite so, and they get acquitted of first degree murder, they cannot be retried for a lesser crime because of double jeopardy, so sometimes "lucky" criminal defendants get charged with a much bigger crime than they did to let them get away with it.

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David Cashion's avatar

New cars, new house, new clothes, dead boy, there's the problem.

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BookWench's avatar

But we're supposedly RACISTS! for noticing that. . .

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Chris's avatar

Decades of pushing a culture that doesn't require accountability has brought us here. The Anthony family isn't representative of the majority of black people, but they are the ones who are provided the megaphone to shout above the rest. Which is exactly what the left is trying to do; call out and amplify divisiveness to divide and conquer.

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Pete's avatar

I guess you missed the guy with a literal megaphone trying to incite a race riot. Don't act like this is a left issue. Mouth breather on the right love a good race fight

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Chris's avatar

Nope. But less than fifty people showed up to listen to that tool, hardly a race riot. Smooth brain on the left continually trying to justify what can't be justified.

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BookWench's avatar

But it should be noted that many on the right (like Infowars) have denounced Jake Lang for this rally.

Who on the other side is calling out the Anthony family for pushing racial divisiveness?

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JAE's avatar

Isn’t Jeff Metcalf the one who was unceremoniously thrown out of the Anthony family press conference and then disparaged by the crowd there?

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Lois Lassiter's avatar

yep....his testicles have crawled up his asshole, never to be seen again. He should have stayed. Any good father WOULD have stayed. It was a public place and he had every right to be there....but he's been neutered.

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Billiamo's avatar

I think I'd go easier on a father whose son was recently stabbed to death.

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Paul Harper's avatar

The Metcalf family can choose to process their grief in any way they fucking please without ghouls like you passing judgement while their son's corpse is still warm. WTF is wrong with you? For real.

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Enticing Clay's avatar

First--

Everyone preaching violence is a fed.

The obvious op of the next four years is to burn the country down and everyone preaching violence is an obvious fed.

Selling race war to burn down the country. Lowest of the low.

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I thought he was trying to make the point that you can show up somewhere you are not wanted, and not stab someone or be a complete asshole when you are made to leave.

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Julie's avatar

Yes, by the Anthony family’s opportunistic spokesman. What he said about Metcalf father was unconscionable. Blatant gaslighting when some contrition would have served the Anthony’s son best imo.

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JAE's avatar

What would have served the Anthony’s son best would have been demonstrating how to be a decent human being with a conscience and not a knife wielding murderer.

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BookWench's avatar

Yes.

They said that he had no right to be there, and that he was somehow shaming his murdered son by showing up.

He said that he wanted to pray with the murderer's family, but was escorted from the premises.

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

Matt's readers--that's you folks--are in my opinion one the smartest and clearest eyed, politically diversified coalitions of thinky types that I have encountered. Can you all help me understand what is really going on with this killing and the controversy it has created? What I THINK am seeing in front of my eyes can't possibly be true. No matter how hard I rub my eyes what I am seeing is a straightforward case where a mildly confrontational contact between two young adult males--one that in an a typical worst case escalation might well have led to fisticuffs and maybe possibly in a fringe scenario caused serious injury--escalated immediately into aggravated assault and murder with a deadly weapon in a case that even a structurally biased court system should be able to adjudicate pretty straightforwardly and without prejudice. And yet there are some community activists that are pushing this story as if it lies at the epicenter of profound racial injustice. Are the activists simply raising resources to see that the kid gets a fair hearing so as to make a statement about a legal system that favors the white and the wealthy, or are they pushing a narrative that the attacker is to be pre-judged as the real victim based on race alone? The hell is going on?

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TWC's avatar
Apr 22Edited

Have you not been 'rubbing your eyes' the last ~decade? This is PRECISELY what the activists want. And how they use both black and white Americans, specifically, to push this utterly abhorrent social upheaval. This is also being exported globally. Nothing good will happen here. Quite the opposite.

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

i have been. but i honestly didn't think it was possible for things to degenerate this much. i should be sticking forks in my eyes cause then i would not have to see the 100 years of. slow but steady progress get replaced by woke supremacy.

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David Cashion's avatar

Marxism

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

...there must be a little more to it than that. Did your hand slip and post it before you were ready?

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David Cashion's avatar

Nope

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I see. You're a man of few words. And no content.

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TWC's avatar

Oh, the irony...

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Turd_Ferguson's avatar

The issue with this story is that it's a story honestly. But that's not even really it. Yes, a black kid stabbed a white kid at a track meet. The black kid was apparently in the wrong tent waiting out the rain, and apparently had a knife for some reason. If that was the story that might be it.

Then, you have the Family hiring a spokesperson (not a lawyer) who has a history that includes doing time for beating a baby to mental disability. Getting a boatload of money that they apparently aren't really getting via donations because this murderer is being wrongly accused.

Then, you have A father of the kid that was killed forgiving the murderer on the basis of his privilege or whatever, or just being a good Christian... might be commendable either way.

Then you have a PRESS conference for the murderer that turned into a full on everybody is at fault for my son murdering someone except... my son for murdering someone. When the father shows up to this press conference to pay respects or be a part of it, he's shunned out of the event as if he's the actual murderer and told how disrespectful he is for showing up...

You see... It wasn't the kid with the knife that committed murder. It was the school for not canceling the track meet. It was all the kids that bullied him and made him have to carry a knife. Somehow it's even Kyle Rittenhouse's fault.. no shit.. I saw someone actually blaming him for this. It was the history of white oppression, it was the rain, it was the color of track suits they were made to wear, it was the track itself.. It was the stands they sat in, it was the town... You see where I am going here?

If it were just a story about a kid that murdered a kid... well... it happens. It sucks, but it happens (imagine if it was a gun and not a knife), but this story is a microcosm of what this planet has become. It was edging up until George Floyd, but holy shit it's parabolic now.

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RRDRRD's avatar

"... are they pushing a narrative that the attacker is to be pre-judged as the real victim based on race alone? "

YES

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BookWench's avatar

Just like Trayvon.

Just like the Gentle Giant.

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Art's avatar

You must live in the ‘burbs.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Dude, this took place in the burbs.

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Nathan Woodard's avatar

nope.

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David Cashion's avatar

USA was well on its way to a colorblind society, then we got a half black president.

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BookWench's avatar

100%

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Tom's avatar

This may be the stupidest comment I've ever seen at this site, and that's a high bar.

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David Cashion's avatar

If I want lip from you I will scrape it off my dick.

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Tom's avatar
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You'll talk shit hiding behind a keyboard here that you wouldn't even say to your fuckin 12 year old nephew bc he'd kick your pansy little bitch ass. LOL faggot.

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David Cashion's avatar

Ha

Little pansie all worked up.

Can talk shit but can't take it.

I got a real name, Tom.

You can call me Mr Cashion.

Oh, wait, let me laugh at you one more time.

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Tom's avatar

It ain't just your friends who talk shit about you David, "pansie" dafuq that word even means.

I'll mansplain to you anytime shrivelsack. Reach out when you're ready for it, cuz if my kid was as stupid as you I'd beat my wife like you do.

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David Cashion's avatar

Oh no, you gna give me a good tongue lashing.

What a sucker.

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David Cashion's avatar

If Obama had a son.

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TWC's avatar

Bingo.

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PutativePathogen's avatar

Ex post facto child sacrifice. Liberalism is a death cult.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Does this comment add to the discussion?

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carily myers's avatar

Yes

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

In what language?

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Paul Harper's avatar

Making any part of this tragedy about "race" is an obscenity. Parents of murder victims often show compassion and forgiveness to the families of other children who commit such crimes. The grief of the victim's family must in all cases be respected. I listened to the interview - Lang and his 'crew' showed zero respect to Metcalf's father. Lang repeatedly interrupted and insulted him, rather than let him speak. Horrifying.

I have zero tolerance for the Jake Langs and Al Sharptons of this world. Exploiting this tragedy (mental health) to score political points and passing judgement before the jury has taken place is a sign of our sick times.

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badnabor's avatar

I agree,Paul. Jake Lang is speaking out of turn, in a lame attempt to justify his actions. There is only a lot of presumptive rhetoric being bandied about by him and his supporters. It is very reminiscent of a classic Sharpton ploy. All of these premature shouting matches are just pointless, baseless assertions by self interested instigators. It is painfully obvious that there are many commenters here that have been far to easily swayed (one way or the other), and worked themselves up into a froth, without allowing any critical thought to derail their forgone conclusions.

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Paul Harper's avatar

So agree, so messed up. Cheers.

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Han's avatar

At least it is countrywide news. For the last thirty years or so, approximately since Rodney King, this would have been absolutely buried by one and all news outlets.

Shows the incredible impact that independent media is having on the national discourse.

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T247's avatar

You mean buried by the press like the black guy that randomly decided to kill a white guy who was sitting on a bench in Tucson? https://www.kold.com/2025/04/18/tucson-hatchet-attack-victim-dies-shortly-after-community-vigil/. Unfortunately, there is a large segment of the black population that really dislikes white people and have been taught that anything they do to whites is justified due to structural racism. Just look at all the white women who are getting punched in the face in NYC.

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BookWench's avatar

Remember "punch a Nazi"?

I do.

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SyberPhule's avatar

People stirring up crap for self aggrandizement; wow would never expect that in today's America. /s

I'm glad the father called him on his BS.

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Larry's avatar

Not setting up a GoFundMe for the murderer would have really helped to avoid "stirring up crap".

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Julie's avatar

Agree. And if ALL defendants can’t set up GoFundMe accounts to fund legal expenses, no one should be able to. I’ve stopped donating to GoFundMe for that reason.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

I'm starting a fundraising business called goduckyourself. Yeah, it's a fundraising platform for murderers and their kin and the grifters that show up like rev al and Jesse.

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JAE's avatar

Because the family and surrounding community of the murderer definitely haven’t stirred up crap. No, no, no.

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Deadladyofclowntown's avatar

I don't know...something about this Jake Lang strikes me as off. Reminds me of Ray Epps, frankly. Glowing. I think the murdered kid's father isn't all that wrong here. The way the media is hyping this ugly incident is beyond belief, it looks orchestrated to me. Maybe I'm paranoid, but after the Patriot Front shut down when Trump took over, I really have to wonder...Don't let the media persuade you into rallies and marches, that may be exactly what they want. Like Jan 6th. Or they may be trying to get the Black Lives Matter supporters back out in the streets, looting and burning. Who knows? It all looks suspicious to me.

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BookWench's avatar

They are definitely pushing for a race war.

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Ronda Ross's avatar

We spent years with our son at large track meets, all over Texas. The schools involved in the meet, and where the murder took place, are not mired in poverty. Frisco, Texas is one of the fast growing areas of the country. It is largely affluent. Not far away, is the area where Goldman Sachs built a 2nd headquarters. JPM is down the street. If the area has a wrong side of the tracks section, it was not where either the victim or the alleged killer attended school, or resided.

The overreaction, that will likely incarcerate the killer for a very long time, is hard to understand. Even in Texas, stand your ground laws do not pertain to a shove over a seat at a track meet, but generally to home invasions, carjackings or someone pointing a gun. Why anyone would have a knife in a baggy, at a school in that area, let alone stab another student, defies all reason.

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Dale D's avatar

Glad the man had presence of mind to see that. We need more talk to people than about people.

I cannot imagine what he is going through. I think I may be a bit more violent, much to my detriment.

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