I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, I'm just perplexed and have been wondering lately: Is it really the position of the Democrats (and liberals in general) that NO ONE here illegally should be deported?
When I ask this the usual response has been sort of a Golidlocks answer: Dems say they're ok with illegals being deported but it must be done gently, not by men with guns or men in masks, and only after "due process" takes place. And only if the person has been convicted of a felony, otherwise they deserve mercy. And if this is in a sanctuary state or city, deporation can only occur if ICE catches someone on the way into or out of jail, as no police in these jurisdictions will assist a deportation, so sanctuary means almost all deportations must be opposed.
This seems like a bizarre position for any political party to take and it also means politicians and their backers are prioritizing the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of their citizens, communities, not to mention the law.
Brother, I'm in Chicago and the level of double-talk and double-standard-talk has gotten overwhelming.
I do feel for the "illegals" as I'm confident I see them every day and I see that many are working hard. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another country just to improve one's lot.
That being said, the overt coddling and support by the faux-liberals is pretty nauseating.
No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets. There's no ambiguity.
But the (il)liberals in the city are much more concerned with virtue-signaling and avoiding any possibility that someone might "call them a name".
Whatever happened to that "sticks and stones" business?
The level of double-talk and fakeness is crazy.
Here's a perfect example: "Block Club Chicago" is a cutesy web site that highlights various stories. Lots are racially charged (presumably on purpose) and who knows where they get their funding. They're all over this issue:
e.g., today's headline: "Chicago Daycare Teacher Taken By Feds Has Been Released".
I do not know the back story but it's also the case that this outfit will never share any info as to whether or not this "daycare teacher" was involved in any efforts to obstruct border patrol or any other agency.
They'll cry, "Undocumented workers can't receive Medicaid" while also failing to note that hospitals are prohibited by law from refusing treatment to anyone showing up in an emergency ward. So everyone goes to the emergency ward.
"No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets." 🎯
If mass migration hurt the investor class and their PMC employees, they would have built a massive border wall funded by Wall St and other corporate sponsors.
Liberalism seems to have devolved into a blind, reflexive victim worship. BLM, Trans/Queer, migrants, convicts, Palestinians, etc. The needs of these groups and their actual welfare and circumstances are only a pretext, whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power.
What's best for America and its citizens and communities is never considered.
"whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power."
While attempting to guilt those who believe "nobody is above the law"!
"moral vanity", or as you also say "conspicuous compassion"! Still a fav of mine! :)
Wasn't it basic common knowledge before Trump + social media rotted everyone's brain that if you're in any country without papers (permission), you're going to get kicked out? It's bizarre that this is now considered controversial or "right wing".
Mexico: In Mexico, illegal immigrants face legal penalties that can include fines and up to two years in prison, depending on the offense. Those caught can be detained, and many are eventually deported from the country. Mexico is also intensifying its crackdown on undocumented migration and clearing makeshift camps where migrants have gathered.
I think you summed it up really well. Add to that the fact that the US debt is out of control and threatens to destroy this country but those same people think the government should pay for this and you start to see the ludicrous and utterly stupid position they have taken. These are just a couple of reasons so many of us moved our support to the right.
If Trump is for deporting illegal alien criminals, democrats are for keeping them, but not in their own neighborhood, of course, in somebody else's neighborhood.
Serious question @Clever Pseudonym (or anyone) - what are the laws being broken when you enter the US illegally? And what penalties are prescribed when those laws are broken? Is expulsion mandatory, or are there different sentences that are also available?
How is chasing federal law enforcement through the streets seeking to disrupt their basic functions, in an organized, funded, and preplanned manner not insurrection?
The continuing double standard in MSM coverage to me is appalling. We have major stories related to the J6 pipebomber, COVID origins, and ongoing efforts Ford is depicting here — and somehow grasping at Epstein straws is the big story? Almost like the Democrat accusation that Epstein was an effort for Trump to create a distraction was projection on their part.
I’ve been wondering this for a while. I suspect they’re trying to provoke an ugly confrontation with ICE that looks awful and results in ICE being sidelined for a while. Otherwise it’s mind boggling that they’re trying hard to get into a firefight with law enforcement.
ICE is doing an excellent job in a very difficult environment.. Rounding up, criminals, illegal aliens, and whomever[ like the deranged Trans, Antifanites, etc.] interferes with the execution of their legal duties.. Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary.. DHS says they have gotten 2,000,000 out.. so We have 11 million remaining who most probably want an immigration hearing... NO.. NO Fu#%ing Way... as an illegal invader, they do not have Any Legal rights.. certainly not to clog up our court system for the next decade[ think about those costs!..] NO expedite deportation of those invaders... by whatever means necessary.. that includes the National Guard, US Marines, etc... which are legally justified because if 11 million illegal aliens are not an invasionary force what could possibly be one?
"Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary."
That is exactly what I tell my leftie friends when they complain. Had Biden upheld his constitutional oath, this would not have elevated to this level, and the hard-working illegals would be living happily ever after. BUT, the Dems are on their side, right?
So….. we now appear to have people who are either here illegally or who are protesting the removal of people who are here illegally shouting, “ICE go home.” Ironic.
I think we should bus the protesters to the countries these illegal immigrants are fleeing so they can protest there. Fix that so the people don’t have to leave! But wait…..they’d get arrested, shot, jailed or deported because they would be in that other country illegally.
Doing laundry and cleaning the house after a long day at work, which is a great time to think. The people who are assaulting law enforcement for upholding the law would be better off setting up a place where illegal immigrants can find someone (protesters) to provide food, clothing, housing, transportation, medical care and anything else they need while they await “due process”. From there they can manage a program to get them due process at the expense of their sponsor family, with all associated services provided by supporters of illegal migrants on a volunteer basis.
The sponsor family must move through this process with the sponsee.
Any illegal immigrant with a criminal record, violent or not, must appear with an attorney who is volunteering his or her time for that person. There must be a record showing a minimum of 4 free hours spent with the immigrant prior to the court appearance so we know they have some familiarity with the person or family and are not running a kangaroo court.
The judges releasing illegal immigrants over due process concerns should volunteer their time and hear the cases/claims for these sponsored people ….after hours. They are paid to work for the American people. If they want to work for no -Americans they should do it on their own dime and with their free time. It costs a great deal to run a courtroom and the courts are supposedly already clogged. This is a side gig, not the main event. Americans should not have to pay anything other than heat and lights at the building.
Security personnel or other staff required to transcribe for the judges, provide security, manage the schedule etc should also volunteer their time.
If a judge rules that these people can stay they must be remanded back over to their sponsor and must return to show that they have filled out the proper paperwork to achieve legal status, they must be gainfully employed within 90 days, and they must have housing. A tent is not a house. There must be a physical address. Until they are employed and have housing they must remain with their foster family. If they don’t have a job or a home they need to explain why and must remain with their volunteer sponsor until they do have a job. Once assigned the sponsor (protester) is responsible for this person or this family until all obligations are met.
I doubt very much that the protesters would sign up to bring illegal immigrants into their homes and doubt that you would find enough judges and court staff willing to volunteer their time for this cause.
I must say I'm more impressed with the Chicago protest. This kind of harassment actually makes the feds' job more difficult and probably reduces their catch rate. It also pushes them into doing stupid things in response, like crashing into one of their pursuers (not in the video - a couple of days ago.) Portland's action s are meant to get on their nerves, but I hope they're out blowing whistles, as well.
The veterans can also be very impressive, as we saw.
It's highly illegal to use soldiers for domestic law enforcement, short of martial law; that's why the judges are nixing it. D.C. is an exception, because it's ultimately under the direct controi of the federal government There's a long history of capital cities wagging the dog politically, so the special status makes some sense.
Seems to me more like civil disobedience w a sense of humor. Any of you commenters from Chicago? I’d rather run into someone dressed as a hot dog than camouflage, gas masks and big guns. (Although if there was ketchup on the hotdog I would protest the protester) I’m kinda curious what intention of original post was—if there was one.
I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, I'm just perplexed and have been wondering lately: Is it really the position of the Democrats (and liberals in general) that NO ONE here illegally should be deported?
When I ask this the usual response has been sort of a Golidlocks answer: Dems say they're ok with illegals being deported but it must be done gently, not by men with guns or men in masks, and only after "due process" takes place. And only if the person has been convicted of a felony, otherwise they deserve mercy. And if this is in a sanctuary state or city, deporation can only occur if ICE catches someone on the way into or out of jail, as no police in these jurisdictions will assist a deportation, so sanctuary means almost all deportations must be opposed.
This seems like a bizarre position for any political party to take and it also means politicians and their backers are prioritizing the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of their citizens, communities, not to mention the law.
Am I missing something here??
Thanks
Brother, I'm in Chicago and the level of double-talk and double-standard-talk has gotten overwhelming.
I do feel for the "illegals" as I'm confident I see them every day and I see that many are working hard. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another country just to improve one's lot.
That being said, the overt coddling and support by the faux-liberals is pretty nauseating.
No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets. There's no ambiguity.
But the (il)liberals in the city are much more concerned with virtue-signaling and avoiding any possibility that someone might "call them a name".
Whatever happened to that "sticks and stones" business?
The level of double-talk and fakeness is crazy.
Here's a perfect example: "Block Club Chicago" is a cutesy web site that highlights various stories. Lots are racially charged (presumably on purpose) and who knows where they get their funding. They're all over this issue:
https://blockclubchicago.org/
e.g., today's headline: "Chicago Daycare Teacher Taken By Feds Has Been Released".
I do not know the back story but it's also the case that this outfit will never share any info as to whether or not this "daycare teacher" was involved in any efforts to obstruct border patrol or any other agency.
They'll cry, "Undocumented workers can't receive Medicaid" while also failing to note that hospitals are prohibited by law from refusing treatment to anyone showing up in an emergency ward. So everyone goes to the emergency ward.
"No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets." 🎯
If mass migration hurt the investor class and their PMC employees, they would have built a massive border wall funded by Wall St and other corporate sponsors.
Liberalism seems to have devolved into a blind, reflexive victim worship. BLM, Trans/Queer, migrants, convicts, Palestinians, etc. The needs of these groups and their actual welfare and circumstances are only a pretext, whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power.
What's best for America and its citizens and communities is never considered.
"whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power."
While attempting to guilt those who believe "nobody is above the law"!
"moral vanity", or as you also say "conspicuous compassion"! Still a fav of mine! :)
You're not missing anything. The concept of the "logical conclusion" is lost on people who run on feelz.
Wasn't it basic common knowledge before Trump + social media rotted everyone's brain that if you're in any country without papers (permission), you're going to get kicked out? It's bizarre that this is now considered controversial or "right wing".
Mexico: In Mexico, illegal immigrants face legal penalties that can include fines and up to two years in prison, depending on the offense. Those caught can be detained, and many are eventually deported from the country. Mexico is also intensifying its crackdown on undocumented migration and clearing makeshift camps where migrants have gathered.
I think you summed it up really well. Add to that the fact that the US debt is out of control and threatens to destroy this country but those same people think the government should pay for this and you start to see the ludicrous and utterly stupid position they have taken. These are just a couple of reasons so many of us moved our support to the right.
I stood still yet somehow ended up drifting Right! ;)
That’s me, too. Now I’m apparently MAGA.
Seems to be an ever-expanding club...
Or the inane policy of NYC to house half a million illegal immigrants and then complain about scarce housing.
Nope.
If Trump is for deporting illegal alien criminals, democrats are for keeping them, but not in their own neighborhood, of course, in somebody else's neighborhood.
Just don't tell Warden Norton he's being obtuse........
Serious question @Clever Pseudonym (or anyone) - what are the laws being broken when you enter the US illegally? And what penalties are prescribed when those laws are broken? Is expulsion mandatory, or are there different sentences that are also available?
How is chasing federal law enforcement through the streets seeking to disrupt their basic functions, in an organized, funded, and preplanned manner not insurrection?
The continuing double standard in MSM coverage to me is appalling. We have major stories related to the J6 pipebomber, COVID origins, and ongoing efforts Ford is depicting here — and somehow grasping at Epstein straws is the big story? Almost like the Democrat accusation that Epstein was an effort for Trump to create a distraction was projection on their part.
I’ve been wondering this for a while. I suspect they’re trying to provoke an ugly confrontation with ICE that looks awful and results in ICE being sidelined for a while. Otherwise it’s mind boggling that they’re trying hard to get into a firefight with law enforcement.
If they truly believed that Trump was a nazi , they wouldn't dare do the things they are doing, because they would be no more..
Great point! What dictator or "king" would ever allow this?
And in Berkeley, they were protesting ... comedy.
https://aynsrants.substack.com/p/berkeley-can-we-talk
Beats studying I guess. What a waste of money for waste of space toddlers.
These people use their kids as shields and theatrics trained and perform on demand.
ICE is doing an excellent job in a very difficult environment.. Rounding up, criminals, illegal aliens, and whomever[ like the deranged Trans, Antifanites, etc.] interferes with the execution of their legal duties.. Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary.. DHS says they have gotten 2,000,000 out.. so We have 11 million remaining who most probably want an immigration hearing... NO.. NO Fu#%ing Way... as an illegal invader, they do not have Any Legal rights.. certainly not to clog up our court system for the next decade[ think about those costs!..] NO expedite deportation of those invaders... by whatever means necessary.. that includes the National Guard, US Marines, etc... which are legally justified because if 11 million illegal aliens are not an invasionary force what could possibly be one?
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"Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary."
That is exactly what I tell my leftie friends when they complain. Had Biden upheld his constitutional oath, this would not have elevated to this level, and the hard-working illegals would be living happily ever after. BUT, the Dems are on their side, right?
So….. we now appear to have people who are either here illegally or who are protesting the removal of people who are here illegally shouting, “ICE go home.” Ironic.
Wish we could arrest and jail them all. What useless parasites.
I think we should bus the protesters to the countries these illegal immigrants are fleeing so they can protest there. Fix that so the people don’t have to leave! But wait…..they’d get arrested, shot, jailed or deported because they would be in that other country illegally.
How did Americans get to be so dumb?
Media...
..aided and abetted by a corrupt "education" system.
Doing laundry and cleaning the house after a long day at work, which is a great time to think. The people who are assaulting law enforcement for upholding the law would be better off setting up a place where illegal immigrants can find someone (protesters) to provide food, clothing, housing, transportation, medical care and anything else they need while they await “due process”. From there they can manage a program to get them due process at the expense of their sponsor family, with all associated services provided by supporters of illegal migrants on a volunteer basis.
The sponsor family must move through this process with the sponsee.
Any illegal immigrant with a criminal record, violent or not, must appear with an attorney who is volunteering his or her time for that person. There must be a record showing a minimum of 4 free hours spent with the immigrant prior to the court appearance so we know they have some familiarity with the person or family and are not running a kangaroo court.
The judges releasing illegal immigrants over due process concerns should volunteer their time and hear the cases/claims for these sponsored people ….after hours. They are paid to work for the American people. If they want to work for no -Americans they should do it on their own dime and with their free time. It costs a great deal to run a courtroom and the courts are supposedly already clogged. This is a side gig, not the main event. Americans should not have to pay anything other than heat and lights at the building.
Security personnel or other staff required to transcribe for the judges, provide security, manage the schedule etc should also volunteer their time.
If a judge rules that these people can stay they must be remanded back over to their sponsor and must return to show that they have filled out the proper paperwork to achieve legal status, they must be gainfully employed within 90 days, and they must have housing. A tent is not a house. There must be a physical address. Until they are employed and have housing they must remain with their foster family. If they don’t have a job or a home they need to explain why and must remain with their volunteer sponsor until they do have a job. Once assigned the sponsor (protester) is responsible for this person or this family until all obligations are met.
I doubt very much that the protesters would sign up to bring illegal immigrants into their homes and doubt that you would find enough judges and court staff willing to volunteer their time for this cause.
Wonderful idea, but that would require them to walk the talk. See also Martha's Vineyard 24 hour expulsion of illegals...
If those citizens weren't acting so crazy, they wouldn't need the National Guard in those cities to protect ICE..
Could only get through 8 minutes of the video.
Degens ?
I'm depressed enough without even trying to watch it.
Great reply!
It was painful to get to get to 8 minutes...
Thank goodness those jazzercisists kept their clothes on!
They should just put a big fence around Portlandia and slowly back away....
I must say I'm more impressed with the Chicago protest. This kind of harassment actually makes the feds' job more difficult and probably reduces their catch rate. It also pushes them into doing stupid things in response, like crashing into one of their pursuers (not in the video - a couple of days ago.) Portland's action s are meant to get on their nerves, but I hope they're out blowing whistles, as well.
The veterans can also be very impressive, as we saw.
It's highly illegal to use soldiers for domestic law enforcement, short of martial law; that's why the judges are nixing it. D.C. is an exception, because it's ultimately under the direct controi of the federal government There's a long history of capital cities wagging the dog politically, so the special status makes some sense.
Seems to me more like civil disobedience w a sense of humor. Any of you commenters from Chicago? I’d rather run into someone dressed as a hot dog than camouflage, gas masks and big guns. (Although if there was ketchup on the hotdog I would protest the protester) I’m kinda curious what intention of original post was—if there was one.
"civil disobedience w a sense of humor."
Interfering with authorized law enforcement actions is very different than civil disobedience.
"Any of you commenters from Chicago?"
See above; second post:
"Outis
Brother, I'm in Chicago and the level of double-talk and double-standard-talk has gotten overwhelming."
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