I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, I'm just perplexed and have been wondering lately: Is it really the position of the Democrats (and liberals in general) that NO ONE here illegally should be deported?
When I ask this the usual response has been sort of a Golidlocks answer: Dems say they're ok with illegals being deported but it must be done gently, not by men with guns or men in masks, and only after "due process" takes place. And only if the person has been convicted of a felony, otherwise they deserve mercy. And if this is in a sanctuary state or city, deporation can only occur if ICE catches someone on the way into or out of jail, as no police in these jurisdictions will assist a deportation, so sanctuary means almost all deportations must be opposed.
This seems like a bizarre position for any political party to take and it also means politicians and their backers are prioritizing the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of their citizens, communities, not to mention the law.
Brother, I'm in Chicago and the level of double-talk and double-standard-talk has gotten overwhelming.
I do feel for the "illegals" as I'm confident I see them every day and I see that many are working hard. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another country just to improve one's lot.
That being said, the overt coddling and support by the faux-liberals is pretty nauseating.
No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets. There's no ambiguity.
But the (il)liberals in the city are much more concerned with virtue-signaling and avoiding any possibility that someone might "call them a name".
Whatever happened to that "sticks and stones" business?
The level of double-talk and fakeness is crazy.
Here's a perfect example: "Block Club Chicago" is a cutesy web site that highlights various stories. Lots are racially charged (presumably on purpose) and who knows where they get their funding. They're all over this issue:
e.g., today's headline: "Chicago Daycare Teacher Taken By Feds Has Been Released".
I do not know the back story but it's also the case that this outfit will never share any info as to whether or not this "daycare teacher" was involved in any efforts to obstruct border patrol or any other agency.
They'll cry, "Undocumented workers can't receive Medicaid" while also failing to note that hospitals are prohibited by law from refusing treatment to anyone showing up in an emergency ward. So everyone goes to the emergency ward.
"No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets." 🎯
If mass migration hurt the investor class and their PMC employees, they would have built a massive border wall funded by Wall St and other corporate sponsors.
Liberalism seems to have devolved into a blind, reflexive victim worship. BLM, Trans/Queer, migrants, convicts, Palestinians, etc. The needs of these groups and their actual welfare and circumstances are only a pretext, whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power.
What's best for America and its citizens and communities is never considered.
"whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power."
While attempting to guilt those who believe "nobody is above the law"!
"moral vanity", or as you also say "conspicuous compassion"! Still a fav of mine! :)
Most of the Biden era immigrants are in fact "documented" as "legally present" with court dates (LOL). As such, they have been entitled to benefits such as medicaid and food stamps. At present, the rules are shifting and I,ve lost tract of who gets what.
Point taken -- I feel I should get better informed as to exactly what has been granted. Even if it likely drives me (more) berserk.
There were lots of "got aways" that weren't processed but your point is taken on those people who were "processed" and given putative court dates: since they were processed, I would not be surprised if this came with certain "freebies".
What a freakin' mess. Thank you for the clarification.
Most voters have no idea that those millions who were given a court date at a legal border crossing are in fact "legal" and therefore entitled to government support. It suits the Democrats to let voters mistakenly assume otherwise. Hakeem Jeffries let it slip, but it mostly seems to have gone unnoticed.
Wait a second…..given the sheer volume that Biden intentionally admitted everyone and anyone court dates are as far out a 2033. And then you will say, well they’ve been here for 8 years, developed roots, behaved themselves so why not just let them stay
There are 14 million illegals and only 700 immigration judges. That’s 20,000 per judge. If each illegal got a one hour trial, that’s 8 a day per judge that’s 5,600 a day. That’s 2,500 days or 12,500 per full 5 day work week. That’s over three years. And then they will invoke the speedy trial rule and win their case because the sheer number makes it impossible to give them speedy trials.
And since no one is being denied liberty neither does due process attach except as specifically defined in the immigration statutes. Being are not being denied liberty. They are being returned to their place of origin and are free to pursue liberty there.
And the illegals received 1.6 billion dollars since 1922 for health insurance. This is a city with the highest taxes and still can’t balance a budget. Maybe the Chicago politicians will have to cut down on stealing so they can pay some bills.
Also, there's a greater likelihood that services would be reduced and not the stealing!
I'm a few blocks from the "Inn of Chicago" located right off Michigan Avenue which was used as a "migrant shelter" (i.e., an illegal immigrant shelter -- none of these people are looking to "migrate" any further).
The "Inn" had closed around the COVID era. It was apparently getting kind of run down and needed repairs. Illegal immigration proved to be a windfall that postponed its shuttering.
I'd be curious as to how much money they received from the city until local objections for the precipitous rise in petty crime and other "annoyances" forced the relocation of their "clients".
I feel for the illegals as I'm sure I see plenty of them every day (e.g., grounds crews, etc.) and many seem to be hard working. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another just to improve one's lot.
So I do sympathize with their situation. On the other hand, it's not as though the U.S. is suffering a shortage of under-served poor people either. We should take care of our own -- in a meaningful way and not just hand-outs -- before taking in a huge number of additional dependents...oops...I meant "voters".
I think you summed it up really well. Add to that the fact that the US debt is out of control and threatens to destroy this country but those same people think the government should pay for this and you start to see the ludicrous and utterly stupid position they have taken. These are just a couple of reasons so many of us moved our support to the right.
Wasn't it basic common knowledge before Trump + social media rotted everyone's brain that if you're in any country without papers (permission), you're going to get kicked out? It's bizarre that this is now considered controversial or "right wing".
Mexico: In Mexico, illegal immigrants face legal penalties that can include fines and up to two years in prison, depending on the offense. Those caught can be detained, and many are eventually deported from the country. Mexico is also intensifying its crackdown on undocumented migration and clearing makeshift camps where migrants have gathered.
And let’s not forget that Obama deported exponentially more illegal aliens ( yes, that’s the actual proper designation folks ) yet somehow Orange Man Baaaaaad!
Mexico is an enemy state and we need to face up to it. They do nothing to stop the cartels. They enforce their own southern border EXCEPT for those traveling to the US.
With friends like that, who needs enemies?
We should shut down their northern border and put a blockade around them to bleed them white until they stop this anti American behavior.
Sorry to tell you they were given a paper at the border plus a court date. They are considered "legally present" by federal law and entitled to the benefits thereof.
A hypothetical exercise (not completely on point, but it tracks). Imagine there is a country with a large contingent of citizens that said country considers fascists . Said country starts arresting these alleged fascists. The hard right US government in office declares these alleged fascists to be political prisoners and allows tens of thousands entry into the US, handing them a paper giving them legal status until their court date some time in the future. Next election, the DSA candidates sweep both legislative bodies and the presidency. Will this new administration's position be that the immigrants given temporary permission to stay in the US pending a court hearing should not be deported. After all, they are "legally present." I know you are not condoning the "legally present" argument Ann, but I am piggy-backing off your comment to make a point.
I assume the DSA government would get rid of the documented fascists asap and I'd certainly not object.
I,d have complained that the fascists were given blanket asylum in the first place. We shouldn’t be expected to absorb the world's "difficult" populations on principle. Every country in the world has problems they,d love to ship somewhere else.
I support strict borders, and case by case immigration and asylum.
If Trump is for deporting illegal alien criminals, democrats are for keeping them, but not in their own neighborhood, of course, in somebody else's neighborhood.
They are just following the "current thing." When I point out to anti-ICE types what my legal-immigrant wife went through (having her Green Card revoked and her status administratively closed over asking USCIS a question...yes, that's it), I get zero support and am usually called names. My wife was in the US legally, did her paperwork and paid her fees, and followed US law while paying taxes.
But do anti-ICE types help? Do they even care...or pretend to care? Nope. It's all performative narcissism.
These people would hear screeching tires and see skid marks being made all the while denying that rubber hits the road. Postmodernists are the absolute worst. May they eat theoretical food and starve to death.
It's the Great Feminization and the Donkey party has become the archetypal Devouring Mother. "Everyone is the same, everyone must play nice together, everyone must share, no one may do or say mean things. Or feel bad about anything. I love you. Do you love me and promise to never grow up and leave me? Good!"
According to Oew, there are about 14 million illegal aliens in the US. If each got “due process” which would include a court proceeding, it would take more than 38,000 trials a day including Saturdays and Sundays.
So when someone says after they get “due process” they mean NEVER. Because by the time they get their trial after several years, the next whine will be they’ve been here so long, they have worked hard and paid their taxes……
That about sums it up. Remember when the press used the phrase "lunatic fringe"? Well, the D Party's contemporary version of it is in full control of the entire party, evidently. I don't know why, but the old-style Weathermen seem a bit more sane and politically coherent than today's leftist lunatic fringe. Maybe it's because the transgender movement is absolutely irrational while there is some history and reason behind Marxism, as nasty and corrupt as it may be.
One good thing that may result from this is an increased migration of people out of their party into the RP or Independent or Libertarian camps.
I've seen some contemporary interviews with members of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Revolutionary Communist Brigade (RCB) and the like.
It's pretty hilarious in all the wrong ways: utterly pampered, self-satisfied and haughty children declaring that they do not rule out the use of violence in their pursuit of their goals.
All in their late teens to mid twenties at the latest. They look like children (which, of course, so many real soldiers do) and just come off as pretentious self-important brats.
Mercifully, the Weather Underground were primarily vandals and essentially only damaged property (the Capitol bombing could have had serious consequences but was foiled, possibly due to informants).
They basically disbanded when a sizable portion of the group blew themselves up in a New York brownstone. At that point, they were apparently planning an action that could have hurt a lot of people (they were assembling fragmentation weapons to be deployed at a naval or other military graduation). While prepping the weapons they oopsied their way off this particular mortal coil.
Pity about the building but a pretty neat way to solve that problem.
The current group is, as you note, pretty goofy.
That the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk wrote puerile slogans on the bullets like "Notices bulge, what's that?" apparently in reference to cross-dressing males inadvertently revealing their "package" while wearing dresses. What a bunch of screwballs.
That this same person said that he was going after Kirk due to Kirk's "hatred" which "couldn't be corrected" is over-the-top evidence of an abject inability to reflect and exhibit some self-awareness.
So, the guy is accused of hating and the solution is to kill him?
Such compassion and tolerance and so very logical.
Damn straight, Outis. There have been grumblings about a Biden FBI plot behind Kirk's murder bt T. Carlson and on JRE because of a lot of fishy details. Any thoughts?
Man...yeesh....hadn't heard of those particular grumblings.
At this point, little surprises me. If even half of what's in Carlson's recent series on 9/11 is true, much less this "chemtrail" business, we're running a huge surplus of nastiness. It's hard to keep up!
Don't mean to be light but, cripes, how does one process all this?
The Kirk murder does seem odd. I wouldn't have watched the video if it hadn't been sent to me (gotta love those cell phone and infinite bandwidth for everyone).
Speaking of weirdnesses, I'm not a hunter but I know a few. Utah crazy boy used a (vintage?) Mauser .30-06 rifle. The .30-06 (Springfield M1906) round is converted military. Also, it was developed in the US and Mauser is a long-standing German arms manufacturer so that weapon was either converted or sold for sport rifled for .30-06.
Bottom line is that the .30-06 was extensively by the US military. The bullets come in a variety of weights (grains) but are all serious, heavy-duty rounds. Like capable of dropping big game.
At the risk of being morbid but giving into sheer curiosity, I had to slow the video down. Namely, if Kirk had taken a .30-06 directly to the neck, in particular from less than 200 yards away, I'd have to think it would have been really messy. As in decapitation or something super-gory ala Kennedy assasination.
At least what I saw, the video shows something hits Kirk in the chest...he moves back as though punched in the chest and his t-shirt ruffles like something hit it...and then he's motionless.
I think he was wearing a vest and the projectile either ricocheted or fragmented, resulting in a piece that, what a fluke, hit him in the neck and killed him. It seems pretty clear to me from looking at the video. But I haven't read anything online to this effect. I don't think it was a direct shot, at least not with a powerful round like the .30-06.
And I haven't even gotten to Carlson's recent episode on Thomas Crooks.
But I can share something that I find amazing and find almost equally amazing that it isn't bigger news. Video putatively of Crooks himself:
Stinks to high heaven. I'd say that the last few years of calling into question and demonizing so-called "conspiracy theorists" has been a red herring disguising actual conspiracies cooked up by the left or by anti-Trump elements in the government, much like the D Party ALWAYS accuses the opposition of doing what they, in fact, are doing.
It's easy to get over when you lump flat-earthers and deniers of the Moon landings in the same basket with people questioning the fishy circumstances around the attempt on Trump's life and the Kirk murder. Obviously, something just ain't right with this "lone gunman" shit.
This on top of outright lying. One gigantic example is that skeletal hag Pelosi publicly announcing she "authorized," indeed begged the White House to call out the National Guard when the crowd was ushered into the Capitol building.
Gotta stay aware and as informed as possible. Just to be vaguely prepared for what might happen.
The issue is that....this takes time! I'm not an investigative journalist and this cr@p preys upon my weakness in wanting to be informed! I'm up to my ears in stuff to do and I feel guilty spending all this time even casually sorting out details!
But it's worthwhile. For the first time in our lifetimes (I suspect I'm just a tad older than you) we're starting to "peek behind the curtain". All the cr@p people wondered about -- sheepishly, afraid of being called a "conspiracy theorist" -- is turning out to be not just true but arguably worse than those consumer-grade conspiracies lead us to suspect!
What truly slays me is how so many "kids" (i.e., college age-ish plus ten: 18 to 30 year olds) just swallow the bait! How in the h3ll did people like Alexandra ("Sandy") Cortez (AOC) and Zohran Mamdani get so much traction? How in the blazes are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren still in the Senate? Cortez, Mamdani and Sanders are pretty much simple, routine cranks and grifters. Warren is a different beast. She appears to actually be smart but also seems to be driven by a zany uber-competitive sociopathic streak. She really seems to be bonafide nuts.
Except they aren’t just grabbing and terrorizing “illegals.” In my city they took a man who was born here. He’s brown. It’s evil the way they are doing it. I don’t care how you look at it, grabbing people off the street is straight up fucked up. And to criticize those following them to try and stop this bogeyman shit as worse than what they are doing is just playing favorites. Yeah there are morons like the man playing woman and his bullhorn, but that doesn’t make what the ICE raiders are doing any less deplorable. If everyone stopped pretending their team was better than the other team and recognized the divide and conquer shit is a ploy maybe we would actually have a better world. Instead it’s still oh the dems did this and the trumpers did that instead of seeing we are all being played for greed and power. This isn’t a Dems issue. It’s a human rights issue. It’s not okay and they deserve to be called out for the way it’s going down.
I wonder if there were no such thing as "Sanctuary" states/cities, and instead of protecting illegal alien criminals, every jurisdiction arrested and served them up for deportation on their own, if this would bring down the temperature. If ICE wasn't facing both hostile crowds and a hostile local govt, then maybe deportations wouldn't have to be so aggressive and militarized.
Politicians have a duty to find common ground and compromise not to mention that they take an oath to uphold all our laws. There has to be a middle ground here, except for both sides all the incentives point to the most extreme positions.
Between Trump's aggression and Biden's reckless permissiveness, we've swung back and forth bw both extremes and need to find a happy and fair medium.
You left out a detail: "If ICE wasn't facing both hostile crowds and a hostile local govt..."...and if the stage hadn't been set by a previous administration allowing unfettered and illegal entrance by millions of unvetted people who never even applied for entry, then a response wouldn't need to be conducted at scale.
Given the scale of the infraction, nothing short of a military-style response will be viable. It's tragic but the infraction was intentional: it wasn't incompetence or negligence that produced this crisis, it was a calculated and callous move.
As noted above (as which I believe you "thumbs-upped), illegal immigration primarily negatively impacts the lower income strata.
Where's the hand-wringing for all the people negatively impacted by illegal immigration in the sense of negative wage pressure, competition for limited social services and crowded classrooms?
"Where's the hand-wringing for all the people negatively impacted by illegal immigration in the sense of negative wage pressure, competition for limited social services and crowded classrooms?"
cmon these people dont even have any friends at the Times or who attended an Ivy League school ;) Let them eat re-education!
It is amazing how absolutely incurious our thinking classes are about the massive and massively destructive Biden open-door policy. I consider Biden's immigration disaster this generation's (and the Dem Party's) Iraq War—a failure based on fealty to ideology over reality, built on blatant lies and sold by a supine MSM—with Mayorkas as the Dem Don Rumsfeld.
All involved should have to answer for the actions, but this will never happen. Being an Insider in the DC Imperial City means never having to admit error or say sorry.
ICE should do what they have to rid us of illegals. Anecdotal stories like yours are the exception. With 14 million illegals here, a 0.5% error rate is 70,000.
Scale puts your whine in perspective.
Taking them off the street bothers you? Then entering their workplace or homes will bother you more. Everything will bother you until these,people get to stay and vote
I am confident that ICE or other federal agents are not randomly grabbing people off the street.
Let's review some putative facts:
1.) It appears that more than 10 million people illegally entered the country during the Biden administration.
2.) Any effort to correct that infraction, an infraction committed at national scale, will need to be commensurate.
3.) Local governments and municipalities are flouting the Constitution, specifically the so-called "Supremacy Clause" which states that in cases of a conflict federal law supersedes local law:
So Mayor Johnson and Governor Pritzker are either tacitly violating federal law or encouraging the same.
4.) The ICE and Border Patrol agents are working to enforce the law. It's their job. It's the law. The people who are trying to obstruct them or otherwise interfere with their operation are putatively committing crimes.
5.) I'm in Chicago. Media outlets like the clownish "Block Club Chicago" (https://blockclubchicago.org/) are only highlighting the cases that have useful propaganda value. I'm in Chicago and that little rag -- who knows who's funding them -- is either pushing food-and-entertainment stories for yuppies or trying to stir the pot and sensationalize events. Total yellow journalism.
You only hear about the edge cases. The "human interest" cases that have propaganda value.
Yes, it is tragic. It's sad that people are willing to enter another country illegally just to improve their lives.
I regularly see people who I am confident are here illegally. I see them working hard and I sympathize with their situation. It can't be easy.
But we both have laws and it's also the case that there's no shortage of poor people...poor US citizens...already! We need to take care of our poor first!
Also, there's no huge demand for unskilled labor. In fact, the need for unskilled labor is decreasing as more processes get automated.
Illegal immigration negatively impacts the lower income groups most of all. This is not emphasized enough.
Illegals compete for the same jobs (and win because they'll work for lower wages) and the same social, educational and medial services. Poor Americans are disproportionately negatively impacted by illegal immigration.
Why aren't Mayor Johnson and Governor Pritzker concerned primarily for the welfare of the citizens of their respective jurisdictions?
Certainly, the immigration issue is far more complicated than just 'Sodom VS Los Posadas', as the Blue-Team McNarrative assumes: Reasons for stronger border-control include the humanitarian (as I learned from RFK Jr., among others), the H1-B visa is very useful but can potentially be a gateway to a form of de facto white-collar slavery (as I learned from my own father, who's acquired quite a bit of professional familiarity with it), and as for certain far darker and stranger conspiracy-rumors, I would at one time have dismissed them, but after the utterly jaw-dropping revelations coming out of the UK in the past several years, I suppose nearly anything's on the table.
HOWEVER, ICE is a product of the USAPATRIOTACT and the DHS umbrella, along with the TSA et cetera; it was always a bipartisan project to impose and NORMALIZE institutional fascism, and NONE OF IT should have ever existed, let alone still be standing now (after all, the President just gave the head of Al-Qaeda's latest rebrand a red-carpet reception at the White House! They're our buddies again!).
As opposed to fascism of the primary variety, which really has no business being considered a political ideology, but rather a dysfunction of ordinary human psychology (so it ought to be considered a topic of social psychology first and PoliSci second, rather than the other way around as it has been) - even the self-described fascists of the early-mid 20th Century acknowledged that their rationales for their actions were ex post facto.
I can scarcely recommend "They Thought They Were Free", by Milton Mayer, enough. Therein is a chapter titled "We Think With Our Blood" that directly addresses this.
No need to get perplexed. No need to waste time figuring out what Democrats may want or how that relates to what they say, or have said, or what they might once have believed or pretended to believe. That path leads to a wilderness of mirrors...all of which are fun-house jobs which leave you with your head spinning at the contortions.
The point is to focus on what is real. What is happening now. The achieved results of the system.
Your assessment that the situation is bizarre is the whole point...at least for the regime. The Democrats have weaponized the contradictions of the situation and are using them to destabilise the population. Just like the weirdos on the street acting out to stake their turf or menace normies.
And it is very naive to focus on law. Law irrelevant. Warm bodies all important. Bodies are about needs and are profit centres. No more Republic...only markets.
Serious question @Clever Pseudonym (or anyone) - what are the laws being broken when you enter the US illegally? And what penalties are prescribed when those laws are broken? Is expulsion mandatory, or are there different sentences that are also available?
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
I couldn't find anything that mentioned deportation, maybe just about everyone prefers to go home rather than go to jail. Either way, it does seem that it illegal immigration is...illegal.
How is chasing federal law enforcement through the streets seeking to disrupt their basic functions, in an organized, funded, and preplanned manner not insurrection?
The continuing double standard in MSM coverage to me is appalling. We have major stories related to the J6 pipebomber, COVID origins, and ongoing efforts Ford is depicting here — and somehow grasping at Epstein straws is the big story? Almost like the Democrat accusation that Epstein was an effort for Trump to create a distraction was projection on their part.
I’ve been wondering this for a while. I suspect they’re trying to provoke an ugly confrontation with ICE that looks awful and results in ICE being sidelined for a while. Otherwise it’s mind boggling that they’re trying hard to get into a firefight with law enforcement.
The Chicago PD have strict rules on car chases/active pursuit of suspects - they might even prohibit officers from doing so - because the city has paid out so much in settlements to people (mainly innocent bystanders) who were injured or killed in the resulting crashes.
So... one of these vigilantes causes a crash, quite possibly a horrific one - do they get sued? Do their funders get sued, considering they are the ones with the cash?
Or, because this is a vile freak show of a city, does the civil jury bring out an intersectionality chart to decide how much, if anything, to pay? "Well, the non-binary driver was white, but they is not cishetero, and they were trying to protect the oppressed brown people, so..."
A fresh reminder, this, that the conservatives who always talked about freedom from state power when so someone like Obama was in charge roll over like poodles when the guy cracking the whip it is a Republican.
The people who were the victims of the original Nazis were the same way.
Non sequitur. The point is, the ability and actions of those who protest that Trump is an autocrat completely undercut their grievance that Trump is an autocrat. A king or dictator would not allow such protests. Any whip cracking has to do with those who are not protesting within legal parameters or those obstructing the enforcement of democratically-enacted laws.
In the first place, no one is claiming that Trump has completely usurped the Constitution (although Stephen Miller in his “deer in the headlights” freeze-up on CNN basically tipped his hand that that is the plan), and even under autocracies it is possible to protest as long as you don’t mind getting your skull cracked.
However, my point (which you evaded) is that the hypocrisy of the conservative movement has reached terminal velocity. You know openly advocate for every abuse of power that you have always condemned when it was only hypothetical under Democrats.
Legacy media pastors report from an alternate, manufactured universe, to a dwindling number of true-believing parishioners in that same universe, and engage in a great deal of bobbing and weaving to avoid having to acknowledge the existence of this one. You've got to hand it to them for the daily effort this must require.
ICE is doing an excellent job in a very difficult environment.. Rounding up, criminals, illegal aliens, and whomever[ like the deranged Trans, Antifanites, etc.] interferes with the execution of their legal duties.. Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary.. DHS says they have gotten 2,000,000 out.. so We have 11 million remaining who most probably want an immigration hearing... NO.. NO Fu#%ing Way... as an illegal invader, they do not have Any Legal rights.. certainly not to clog up our court system for the next decade[ think about those costs!..] NO expedite deportation of those invaders... by whatever means necessary.. that includes the National Guard, US Marines, etc... which are legally justified because if 11 million illegal aliens are not an invasionary force what could possibly be one?
"Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary."
That is exactly what I tell my leftie friends when they complain. Had Biden upheld his constitutional oath, this would not have elevated to this level, and the hard-working illegals would be living happily ever after. BUT, the Dems are on their side, right?
So….. we now appear to have people who are either here illegally or who are protesting the removal of people who are here illegally shouting, “ICE go home.” Ironic.
I think we should bus the protesters to the countries these illegal immigrants are fleeing so they can protest there. Fix that so the people don’t have to leave! But wait…..they’d get arrested, shot, jailed or deported because they would be in that other country illegally.
Doing laundry and cleaning the house after a long day at work, which is a great time to think. The people who are assaulting law enforcement for upholding the law would be better off setting up a place where illegal immigrants can find someone (protesters) to provide food, clothing, housing, transportation, medical care and anything else they need while they await “due process”. From there they can manage a program to get them due process at the expense of their sponsor family, with all associated services provided by supporters of illegal migrants on a volunteer basis.
The sponsor family must move through this process with the sponsee.
Any illegal immigrant with a criminal record, violent or not, must appear with an attorney who is volunteering his or her time for that person. There must be a record showing a minimum of 4 free hours spent with the immigrant prior to the court appearance so we know they have some familiarity with the person or family and are not running a kangaroo court.
The judges releasing illegal immigrants over due process concerns should volunteer their time and hear the cases/claims for these sponsored people ….after hours. They are paid to work for the American people. If they want to work for no -Americans they should do it on their own dime and with their free time. It costs a great deal to run a courtroom and the courts are supposedly already clogged. This is a side gig, not the main event. Americans should not have to pay anything other than heat and lights at the building.
Security personnel or other staff required to transcribe for the judges, provide security, manage the schedule etc should also volunteer their time.
If a judge rules that these people can stay they must be remanded back over to their sponsor and must return to show that they have filled out the proper paperwork to achieve legal status, they must be gainfully employed within 90 days, and they must have housing. A tent is not a house. There must be a physical address. Until they are employed and have housing they must remain with their foster family. If they don’t have a job or a home they need to explain why and must remain with their volunteer sponsor until they do have a job. Once assigned the sponsor (protester) is responsible for this person or this family until all obligations are met.
I doubt very much that the protesters would sign up to bring illegal immigrants into their homes and doubt that you would find enough judges and court staff willing to volunteer their time for this cause.
Precisely. They won’t. They don’t care enough to act in any meaningful way to actually help these people. It makes me wonder if this is a repeat of the Civil War, where the liberals fought to keep slaves to do the work they didn’t want to do but excused their amoral behavior by saying black people were too feeble-minded to be independent. It’s an abusive relationship.
They gambled and lost. The Biden admin, thru the "coyotes" brought new funding to the cartels. How did the so called impoverished find the thousands of dollars for illegal passage to the US? When the illegal migrants live in the US, work jobs that are meant just for them and raise a family , they have to face the consequences of that decision. Wagering on an amnesty that may or not happen has serious effects on the children born here when it does not pan out.
Mostly middle class white woman seem to be the most incensed, maybe they are losing their housekeeper or nanny? The other performances by the crazed left have no explanation. Furries, trans, antifa and members of the latino community vs federal agents act like they want an ass beating, but hopefully it will never come. Unprovoked that is.
Trump promised this and it will be messy, but the delusional Democratic party seems to think mainstream American are cool with no borders.
The reality is a vast majority of the illegals must be deported but not all(see below). Why because they have depressed wages for middle class Americans and increased unemployment and poverty for American citizens. That means employers need to be sanctioned to get rid of them(self deportation). They’ve created an affordable housing crisis. They use services not legally for them, healthcare, food stamps, welfare. I don’t care what democrats say about this it’s costing hundreds of billions of dollars and driving up debt. They’re negatively impacting k-12 education with increasing class sizes and the need for interpreters, all of which slows down teaching for American students. Crime, which should be at the top of any list hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of them were criminals in their own country and have committed heinous crimes here. Now regarding the “some should not be deported. This is a reflection of our below average birth rates in this country at 1.6 replacement when it should be 2.1 to maintain a stable population. IMHO those chosen to stay would be solely young family units with two parents, young children, neither parent would have so much as a parking ticket. These families would earn citizenship and all data suggests parents and children will become true Americans, the children will indistinguishable from any other Americans . That’s my take on this.
Legal immigration doesn’t come close to replacement. The demographics and economics of long term under replacement of a population are devastating. Just google China’s under replacement problems. It’s much worse than ours but what’s going to happen to China by the turn of the century will be devastating to them. I agree about what the illegals are doing to the lower income brackets.
I must say I'm more impressed with the Chicago protest. This kind of harassment actually makes the feds' job more difficult and probably reduces their catch rate. It also pushes them into doing stupid things in response, like crashing into one of their pursuers (not in the video - a couple of days ago.) Portland's action s are meant to get on their nerves, but I hope they're out blowing whistles, as well.
The veterans can also be very impressive, as we saw.
It's highly illegal to use soldiers for domestic law enforcement, short of martial law; that's why the judges are nixing it. D.C. is an exception, because it's ultimately under the direct controi of the federal government There's a long history of capital cities wagging the dog politically, so the special status makes some sense.
The thing is, those laws (the Posse Comitatus Act) were put in place in the 19th century by Southerners who did not want the Federal government interfering with their peculiar and distinctive social arrangements. When Trump is mobilizing National Guard troops to any city to protect ICE facilities, he is only doing what Lincoln did at Fort Sumter: protecting Federal facilities under attack by misbehaving locals. The opposition argument for opposing this, as indeed for “sanctuary cities” generally is, get this, state’s rights. Putting themselves on the same legal ground as white supremacists. The irony is rich.
Are you purposely being obtuse or do you just it understand the point I am making?
Handouts called “entitlements” are the bane of this society. If you are “entitled” to food, shelter, health care and top it off with a check, just because you are here or are a citizen, you have less of an incentive to PROVIDE FOR YOURSELF. Isn’t that the natural goal of life?????
And the word “entitlement” goes along with the term “dependent” upon OTHERS because you can’t or won’t (and too often it’s won’t) provide for yourself and your family.
Even a new born baby seeks to pull itself up if an adult puts their finger in front of them.
But not these layabouts…either domestic or imported...who rely upon others to provide for own their basic needs rather than get off their fat asses and go to work. And before you call me heartless, I’m not against supporting the disabled and the like. Because they are a tiny part of the cost. And, by the way, before the Federal govt big footed private charities aside, they took care of the truly needful, which I define as those who face unfortunate circumstances beyond their own control.
And the cost is so high that these TRANSFER PAYMENTS - robbing Peter to pay Paul (and that’s exactly what it is) it constitutes more than 50% of the national budget excluding the interest on the debt that’s piled up to pay for these leeches. And the total we’ve spent on the handout programs invented just since 1965 exceeds the cumulative national debt.
If I couldn’t put a roof over my head, food on the table and a shirt on my back I’d find a high tree and short rope. Then again, there are too few people with enough self-respect to make a dent into the cost of these abominable “entitlement” programs which are called entitlements instead of WELFARE so people don’t have to face up to the truth of their failed lives. Just like they changed the name from food stamp to SNAP benefits. They want the freebies, but can’t face up to their own failures.
I really don't mean to troll or to be deliberately obtuse, I'm just perplexed and have been wondering lately: Is it really the position of the Democrats (and liberals in general) that NO ONE here illegally should be deported?
When I ask this the usual response has been sort of a Golidlocks answer: Dems say they're ok with illegals being deported but it must be done gently, not by men with guns or men in masks, and only after "due process" takes place. And only if the person has been convicted of a felony, otherwise they deserve mercy. And if this is in a sanctuary state or city, deporation can only occur if ICE catches someone on the way into or out of jail, as no police in these jurisdictions will assist a deportation, so sanctuary means almost all deportations must be opposed.
This seems like a bizarre position for any political party to take and it also means politicians and their backers are prioritizing the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of their citizens, communities, not to mention the law.
Am I missing something here??
Thanks
Brother, I'm in Chicago and the level of double-talk and double-standard-talk has gotten overwhelming.
I do feel for the "illegals" as I'm confident I see them every day and I see that many are working hard. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another country just to improve one's lot.
That being said, the overt coddling and support by the faux-liberals is pretty nauseating.
No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets. There's no ambiguity.
But the (il)liberals in the city are much more concerned with virtue-signaling and avoiding any possibility that someone might "call them a name".
Whatever happened to that "sticks and stones" business?
The level of double-talk and fakeness is crazy.
Here's a perfect example: "Block Club Chicago" is a cutesy web site that highlights various stories. Lots are racially charged (presumably on purpose) and who knows where they get their funding. They're all over this issue:
https://blockclubchicago.org/
e.g., today's headline: "Chicago Daycare Teacher Taken By Feds Has Been Released".
I do not know the back story but it's also the case that this outfit will never share any info as to whether or not this "daycare teacher" was involved in any efforts to obstruct border patrol or any other agency.
They'll cry, "Undocumented workers can't receive Medicaid" while also failing to note that hospitals are prohibited by law from refusing treatment to anyone showing up in an emergency ward. So everyone goes to the emergency ward.
"No-one ever mentions how illegal immigration has a depressing effect on lower income wages. Illegal immigration's primary negative effect is on the lower economic brackets." 🎯
If mass migration hurt the investor class and their PMC employees, they would have built a massive border wall funded by Wall St and other corporate sponsors.
Liberalism seems to have devolved into a blind, reflexive victim worship. BLM, Trans/Queer, migrants, convicts, Palestinians, etc. The needs of these groups and their actual welfare and circumstances are only a pretext, whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power.
What's best for America and its citizens and communities is never considered.
"whereas the real goal is for the progressive to parade their moral vanity, display how kind, wise and compassionate they are (esp as compared to their political enemies) and to appropriate the suffering of distant strangers in the hope of increasing their social and political power."
While attempting to guilt those who believe "nobody is above the law"!
"moral vanity", or as you also say "conspicuous compassion"! Still a fav of mine! :)
lol thanks!
Key word “worship.” Seems the left has made a religion out of it.
Most of the Biden era immigrants are in fact "documented" as "legally present" with court dates (LOL). As such, they have been entitled to benefits such as medicaid and food stamps. At present, the rules are shifting and I,ve lost tract of who gets what.
Point taken -- I feel I should get better informed as to exactly what has been granted. Even if it likely drives me (more) berserk.
There were lots of "got aways" that weren't processed but your point is taken on those people who were "processed" and given putative court dates: since they were processed, I would not be surprised if this came with certain "freebies".
What a freakin' mess. Thank you for the clarification.
Most voters have no idea that those millions who were given a court date at a legal border crossing are in fact "legal" and therefore entitled to government support. It suits the Democrats to let voters mistakenly assume otherwise. Hakeem Jeffries let it slip, but it mostly seems to have gone unnoticed.
Wait a second…..given the sheer volume that Biden intentionally admitted everyone and anyone court dates are as far out a 2033. And then you will say, well they’ve been here for 8 years, developed roots, behaved themselves so why not just let them stay
I am SOOOOOOOOO sick and tired of the word ENTITLED. George Orwell, where are you?
A legal entitlement is a right granted by law.
There are 14 million illegals and only 700 immigration judges. That’s 20,000 per judge. If each illegal got a one hour trial, that’s 8 a day per judge that’s 5,600 a day. That’s 2,500 days or 12,500 per full 5 day work week. That’s over three years. And then they will invoke the speedy trial rule and win their case because the sheer number makes it impossible to give them speedy trials.
Just a little quibble. Immigration proceedings are not criminal proceedings, therefore speedy trial rights do not attach.
And since no one is being denied liberty neither does due process attach except as specifically defined in the immigration statutes. Being are not being denied liberty. They are being returned to their place of origin and are free to pursue liberty there.
Correct.
And during the Obama era over 25000 illegals were deported. Never heard anything from the democrats about that.
That law about hospital treatment needs amending. Illegals either shouldn’t get treatment or, upon recovery, should be immediately deported.
And the illegals received 1.6 billion dollars since 1922 for health insurance. This is a city with the highest taxes and still can’t balance a budget. Maybe the Chicago politicians will have to cut down on stealing so they can pay some bills.
2022 but yes. :-)
Also, there's a greater likelihood that services would be reduced and not the stealing!
I'm a few blocks from the "Inn of Chicago" located right off Michigan Avenue which was used as a "migrant shelter" (i.e., an illegal immigrant shelter -- none of these people are looking to "migrate" any further).
The "Inn" had closed around the COVID era. It was apparently getting kind of run down and needed repairs. Illegal immigration proved to be a windfall that postponed its shuttering.
I'd be curious as to how much money they received from the city until local objections for the precipitous rise in petty crime and other "annoyances" forced the relocation of their "clients".
I feel for the illegals as I'm sure I see plenty of them every day (e.g., grounds crews, etc.) and many seem to be hard working. It cannot be easy to uproot from one's native country and illegally enter another just to improve one's lot.
So I do sympathize with their situation. On the other hand, it's not as though the U.S. is suffering a shortage of under-served poor people either. We should take care of our own -- in a meaningful way and not just hand-outs -- before taking in a huge number of additional dependents...oops...I meant "voters".
I think you summed it up really well. Add to that the fact that the US debt is out of control and threatens to destroy this country but those same people think the government should pay for this and you start to see the ludicrous and utterly stupid position they have taken. These are just a couple of reasons so many of us moved our support to the right.
I stood still yet somehow ended up drifting Right! ;)
That’s me, too. Now I’m apparently MAGA.
Seems to be an ever-expanding club...
Or the inane policy of NYC to house half a million illegal immigrants and then complain about scarce housing.
You're not missing anything. The concept of the "logical conclusion" is lost on people who run on feelz.
Wasn't it basic common knowledge before Trump + social media rotted everyone's brain that if you're in any country without papers (permission), you're going to get kicked out? It's bizarre that this is now considered controversial or "right wing".
Mexico: In Mexico, illegal immigrants face legal penalties that can include fines and up to two years in prison, depending on the offense. Those caught can be detained, and many are eventually deported from the country. Mexico is also intensifying its crackdown on undocumented migration and clearing makeshift camps where migrants have gathered.
And let’s not forget that Obama deported exponentially more illegal aliens ( yes, that’s the actual proper designation folks ) yet somehow Orange Man Baaaaaad!
Very few are aware of this. Guess why: No one was out protesting Obama's deportations. This is a circus only because the bad orange man is in charge.
Tribalism is the status quo. Same as it ever was…
Mexico is an enemy state and we need to face up to it. They do nothing to stop the cartels. They enforce their own southern border EXCEPT for those traveling to the US.
With friends like that, who needs enemies?
We should shut down their northern border and put a blockade around them to bleed them white until they stop this anti American behavior.
But but but…they gave them papers so they are considered by government to be "legally present."
Sorry to tell you they were given a paper at the border plus a court date. They are considered "legally present" by federal law and entitled to the benefits thereof.
A hypothetical exercise (not completely on point, but it tracks). Imagine there is a country with a large contingent of citizens that said country considers fascists . Said country starts arresting these alleged fascists. The hard right US government in office declares these alleged fascists to be political prisoners and allows tens of thousands entry into the US, handing them a paper giving them legal status until their court date some time in the future. Next election, the DSA candidates sweep both legislative bodies and the presidency. Will this new administration's position be that the immigrants given temporary permission to stay in the US pending a court hearing should not be deported. After all, they are "legally present." I know you are not condoning the "legally present" argument Ann, but I am piggy-backing off your comment to make a point.
I assume the DSA government would get rid of the documented fascists asap and I'd certainly not object.
I,d have complained that the fascists were given blanket asylum in the first place. We shouldn’t be expected to absorb the world's "difficult" populations on principle. Every country in the world has problems they,d love to ship somewhere else.
I support strict borders, and case by case immigration and asylum.
If Trump is for deporting illegal alien criminals, democrats are for keeping them, but not in their own neighborhood, of course, in somebody else's neighborhood.
Remember Martha’s Vineyard?
Exactly & they called the National Guard to carry them out..
They are just following the "current thing." When I point out to anti-ICE types what my legal-immigrant wife went through (having her Green Card revoked and her status administratively closed over asking USCIS a question...yes, that's it), I get zero support and am usually called names. My wife was in the US legally, did her paperwork and paid her fees, and followed US law while paying taxes.
But do anti-ICE types help? Do they even care...or pretend to care? Nope. It's all performative narcissism.
The democrats have declared that US citizenship is meaningless.
It’s the Anywheres vs. Somewheres. Be a Somewhere.
These people would hear screeching tires and see skid marks being made all the while denying that rubber hits the road. Postmodernists are the absolute worst. May they eat theoretical food and starve to death.
It's the Great Feminization and the Donkey party has become the archetypal Devouring Mother. "Everyone is the same, everyone must play nice together, everyone must share, no one may do or say mean things. Or feel bad about anything. I love you. Do you love me and promise to never grow up and leave me? Good!"
This reminded me of Nietzsche's Last Man, which maybe should have been Last (Wo)man:
"No shepherd, and one herd! Everyone wants the same; everyone is the same: he who feels differently goes voluntarily into the madhouse."
That crazy German madman could see into the future!
That's a man who knew human nature
Nice!
Nope.
The key words are “after due process”
According to Oew, there are about 14 million illegal aliens in the US. If each got “due process” which would include a court proceeding, it would take more than 38,000 trials a day including Saturdays and Sundays.
So when someone says after they get “due process” they mean NEVER. Because by the time they get their trial after several years, the next whine will be they’ve been here so long, they have worked hard and paid their taxes……
That about sums it up. Remember when the press used the phrase "lunatic fringe"? Well, the D Party's contemporary version of it is in full control of the entire party, evidently. I don't know why, but the old-style Weathermen seem a bit more sane and politically coherent than today's leftist lunatic fringe. Maybe it's because the transgender movement is absolutely irrational while there is some history and reason behind Marxism, as nasty and corrupt as it may be.
One good thing that may result from this is an increased migration of people out of their party into the RP or Independent or Libertarian camps.
I've seen some contemporary interviews with members of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Revolutionary Communist Brigade (RCB) and the like.
It's pretty hilarious in all the wrong ways: utterly pampered, self-satisfied and haughty children declaring that they do not rule out the use of violence in their pursuit of their goals.
All in their late teens to mid twenties at the latest. They look like children (which, of course, so many real soldiers do) and just come off as pretentious self-important brats.
Mercifully, the Weather Underground were primarily vandals and essentially only damaged property (the Capitol bombing could have had serious consequences but was foiled, possibly due to informants).
They basically disbanded when a sizable portion of the group blew themselves up in a New York brownstone. At that point, they were apparently planning an action that could have hurt a lot of people (they were assembling fragmentation weapons to be deployed at a naval or other military graduation). While prepping the weapons they oopsied their way off this particular mortal coil.
Pity about the building but a pretty neat way to solve that problem.
The current group is, as you note, pretty goofy.
That the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk wrote puerile slogans on the bullets like "Notices bulge, what's that?" apparently in reference to cross-dressing males inadvertently revealing their "package" while wearing dresses. What a bunch of screwballs.
That this same person said that he was going after Kirk due to Kirk's "hatred" which "couldn't be corrected" is over-the-top evidence of an abject inability to reflect and exhibit some self-awareness.
So, the guy is accused of hating and the solution is to kill him?
Such compassion and tolerance and so very logical.
Not.
Damn straight, Outis. There have been grumblings about a Biden FBI plot behind Kirk's murder bt T. Carlson and on JRE because of a lot of fishy details. Any thoughts?
Brother Bull!
Man...yeesh....hadn't heard of those particular grumblings.
At this point, little surprises me. If even half of what's in Carlson's recent series on 9/11 is true, much less this "chemtrail" business, we're running a huge surplus of nastiness. It's hard to keep up!
Don't mean to be light but, cripes, how does one process all this?
The Kirk murder does seem odd. I wouldn't have watched the video if it hadn't been sent to me (gotta love those cell phone and infinite bandwidth for everyone).
Speaking of weirdnesses, I'm not a hunter but I know a few. Utah crazy boy used a (vintage?) Mauser .30-06 rifle. The .30-06 (Springfield M1906) round is converted military. Also, it was developed in the US and Mauser is a long-standing German arms manufacturer so that weapon was either converted or sold for sport rifled for .30-06.
Bottom line is that the .30-06 was extensively by the US military. The bullets come in a variety of weights (grains) but are all serious, heavy-duty rounds. Like capable of dropping big game.
At the risk of being morbid but giving into sheer curiosity, I had to slow the video down. Namely, if Kirk had taken a .30-06 directly to the neck, in particular from less than 200 yards away, I'd have to think it would have been really messy. As in decapitation or something super-gory ala Kennedy assasination.
At least what I saw, the video shows something hits Kirk in the chest...he moves back as though punched in the chest and his t-shirt ruffles like something hit it...and then he's motionless.
I think he was wearing a vest and the projectile either ricocheted or fragmented, resulting in a piece that, what a fluke, hit him in the neck and killed him. It seems pretty clear to me from looking at the video. But I haven't read anything online to this effect. I don't think it was a direct shot, at least not with a powerful round like the .30-06.
And I haven't even gotten to Carlson's recent episode on Thomas Crooks.
But I can share something that I find amazing and find almost equally amazing that it isn't bigger news. Video putatively of Crooks himself:
https://www.panorama.it/video/news/thomas-crooks-odio-trump-repubblicani
And get a load of what he says! Tell me that's not weird.
Stinks to high heaven. I'd say that the last few years of calling into question and demonizing so-called "conspiracy theorists" has been a red herring disguising actual conspiracies cooked up by the left or by anti-Trump elements in the government, much like the D Party ALWAYS accuses the opposition of doing what they, in fact, are doing.
It's easy to get over when you lump flat-earthers and deniers of the Moon landings in the same basket with people questioning the fishy circumstances around the attempt on Trump's life and the Kirk murder. Obviously, something just ain't right with this "lone gunman" shit.
This on top of outright lying. One gigantic example is that skeletal hag Pelosi publicly announcing she "authorized," indeed begged the White House to call out the National Guard when the crowd was ushered into the Capitol building.
I'll have a look and get back to you. I dunno Outis, maybe sometimes it's better not knowing. It's all too dark and depressing.
Gotta stay aware and as informed as possible. Just to be vaguely prepared for what might happen.
The issue is that....this takes time! I'm not an investigative journalist and this cr@p preys upon my weakness in wanting to be informed! I'm up to my ears in stuff to do and I feel guilty spending all this time even casually sorting out details!
But it's worthwhile. For the first time in our lifetimes (I suspect I'm just a tad older than you) we're starting to "peek behind the curtain". All the cr@p people wondered about -- sheepishly, afraid of being called a "conspiracy theorist" -- is turning out to be not just true but arguably worse than those consumer-grade conspiracies lead us to suspect!
What truly slays me is how so many "kids" (i.e., college age-ish plus ten: 18 to 30 year olds) just swallow the bait! How in the h3ll did people like Alexandra ("Sandy") Cortez (AOC) and Zohran Mamdani get so much traction? How in the blazes are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren still in the Senate? Cortez, Mamdani and Sanders are pretty much simple, routine cranks and grifters. Warren is a different beast. She appears to actually be smart but also seems to be driven by a zany uber-competitive sociopathic streak. She really seems to be bonafide nuts.
Except they aren’t just grabbing and terrorizing “illegals.” In my city they took a man who was born here. He’s brown. It’s evil the way they are doing it. I don’t care how you look at it, grabbing people off the street is straight up fucked up. And to criticize those following them to try and stop this bogeyman shit as worse than what they are doing is just playing favorites. Yeah there are morons like the man playing woman and his bullhorn, but that doesn’t make what the ICE raiders are doing any less deplorable. If everyone stopped pretending their team was better than the other team and recognized the divide and conquer shit is a ploy maybe we would actually have a better world. Instead it’s still oh the dems did this and the trumpers did that instead of seeing we are all being played for greed and power. This isn’t a Dems issue. It’s a human rights issue. It’s not okay and they deserve to be called out for the way it’s going down.
I wonder if there were no such thing as "Sanctuary" states/cities, and instead of protecting illegal alien criminals, every jurisdiction arrested and served them up for deportation on their own, if this would bring down the temperature. If ICE wasn't facing both hostile crowds and a hostile local govt, then maybe deportations wouldn't have to be so aggressive and militarized.
Politicians have a duty to find common ground and compromise not to mention that they take an oath to uphold all our laws. There has to be a middle ground here, except for both sides all the incentives point to the most extreme positions.
Between Trump's aggression and Biden's reckless permissiveness, we've swung back and forth bw both extremes and need to find a happy and fair medium.
You left out a detail: "If ICE wasn't facing both hostile crowds and a hostile local govt..."...and if the stage hadn't been set by a previous administration allowing unfettered and illegal entrance by millions of unvetted people who never even applied for entry, then a response wouldn't need to be conducted at scale.
Given the scale of the infraction, nothing short of a military-style response will be viable. It's tragic but the infraction was intentional: it wasn't incompetence or negligence that produced this crisis, it was a calculated and callous move.
As noted above (as which I believe you "thumbs-upped), illegal immigration primarily negatively impacts the lower income strata.
Where's the hand-wringing for all the people negatively impacted by illegal immigration in the sense of negative wage pressure, competition for limited social services and crowded classrooms?
"Where's the hand-wringing for all the people negatively impacted by illegal immigration in the sense of negative wage pressure, competition for limited social services and crowded classrooms?"
cmon these people dont even have any friends at the Times or who attended an Ivy League school ;) Let them eat re-education!
It is amazing how absolutely incurious our thinking classes are about the massive and massively destructive Biden open-door policy. I consider Biden's immigration disaster this generation's (and the Dem Party's) Iraq War—a failure based on fealty to ideology over reality, built on blatant lies and sold by a supine MSM—with Mayorkas as the Dem Don Rumsfeld.
All involved should have to answer for the actions, but this will never happen. Being an Insider in the DC Imperial City means never having to admit error or say sorry.
ICE should do what they have to rid us of illegals. Anecdotal stories like yours are the exception. With 14 million illegals here, a 0.5% error rate is 70,000.
Scale puts your whine in perspective.
Taking them off the street bothers you? Then entering their workplace or homes will bother you more. Everything will bother you until these,people get to stay and vote
You only hear about the edge cases.
I am confident that ICE or other federal agents are not randomly grabbing people off the street.
Let's review some putative facts:
1.) It appears that more than 10 million people illegally entered the country during the Biden administration.
2.) Any effort to correct that infraction, an infraction committed at national scale, will need to be commensurate.
3.) Local governments and municipalities are flouting the Constitution, specifically the so-called "Supremacy Clause" which states that in cases of a conflict federal law supersedes local law:
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artVI-C2-1/ALDE_00013395/
So Mayor Johnson and Governor Pritzker are either tacitly violating federal law or encouraging the same.
4.) The ICE and Border Patrol agents are working to enforce the law. It's their job. It's the law. The people who are trying to obstruct them or otherwise interfere with their operation are putatively committing crimes.
5.) I'm in Chicago. Media outlets like the clownish "Block Club Chicago" (https://blockclubchicago.org/) are only highlighting the cases that have useful propaganda value. I'm in Chicago and that little rag -- who knows who's funding them -- is either pushing food-and-entertainment stories for yuppies or trying to stir the pot and sensationalize events. Total yellow journalism.
You only hear about the edge cases. The "human interest" cases that have propaganda value.
Yes, it is tragic. It's sad that people are willing to enter another country illegally just to improve their lives.
I regularly see people who I am confident are here illegally. I see them working hard and I sympathize with their situation. It can't be easy.
But we both have laws and it's also the case that there's no shortage of poor people...poor US citizens...already! We need to take care of our poor first!
Also, there's no huge demand for unskilled labor. In fact, the need for unskilled labor is decreasing as more processes get automated.
Illegal immigration negatively impacts the lower income groups most of all. This is not emphasized enough.
Illegals compete for the same jobs (and win because they'll work for lower wages) and the same social, educational and medial services. Poor Americans are disproportionately negatively impacted by illegal immigration.
Why aren't Mayor Johnson and Governor Pritzker concerned primarily for the welfare of the citizens of their respective jurisdictions?
Certainly, the immigration issue is far more complicated than just 'Sodom VS Los Posadas', as the Blue-Team McNarrative assumes: Reasons for stronger border-control include the humanitarian (as I learned from RFK Jr., among others), the H1-B visa is very useful but can potentially be a gateway to a form of de facto white-collar slavery (as I learned from my own father, who's acquired quite a bit of professional familiarity with it), and as for certain far darker and stranger conspiracy-rumors, I would at one time have dismissed them, but after the utterly jaw-dropping revelations coming out of the UK in the past several years, I suppose nearly anything's on the table.
HOWEVER, ICE is a product of the USAPATRIOTACT and the DHS umbrella, along with the TSA et cetera; it was always a bipartisan project to impose and NORMALIZE institutional fascism, and NONE OF IT should have ever existed, let alone still be standing now (after all, the President just gave the head of Al-Qaeda's latest rebrand a red-carpet reception at the White House! They're our buddies again!).
What do you mean by "institutional fascism"?
As opposed to fascism of the primary variety, which really has no business being considered a political ideology, but rather a dysfunction of ordinary human psychology (so it ought to be considered a topic of social psychology first and PoliSci second, rather than the other way around as it has been) - even the self-described fascists of the early-mid 20th Century acknowledged that their rationales for their actions were ex post facto.
I can scarcely recommend "They Thought They Were Free", by Milton Mayer, enough. Therein is a chapter titled "We Think With Our Blood" that directly addresses this.
No need to get perplexed. No need to waste time figuring out what Democrats may want or how that relates to what they say, or have said, or what they might once have believed or pretended to believe. That path leads to a wilderness of mirrors...all of which are fun-house jobs which leave you with your head spinning at the contortions.
The point is to focus on what is real. What is happening now. The achieved results of the system.
Your assessment that the situation is bizarre is the whole point...at least for the regime. The Democrats have weaponized the contradictions of the situation and are using them to destabilise the population. Just like the weirdos on the street acting out to stake their turf or menace normies.
And it is very naive to focus on law. Law irrelevant. Warm bodies all important. Bodies are about needs and are profit centres. No more Republic...only markets.
Just don't tell Warden Norton he's being obtuse........
Serious question @Clever Pseudonym (or anyone) - what are the laws being broken when you enter the US illegally? And what penalties are prescribed when those laws are broken? Is expulsion mandatory, or are there different sentences that are also available?
What the google machine told me:
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under Title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-8-aliens-and-nationality/8-usc-sect-1325/
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1253&num=0&edition=prelim
I couldn't find anything that mentioned deportation, maybe just about everyone prefers to go home rather than go to jail. Either way, it does seem that it illegal immigration is...illegal.
Overstaying a visa is another issue. People come in legally, but don’t leave.
“… or are there different sentences that are also available?”
And why not spend our taxpaying citizens on those other “available sentences”? FFS we’re broke y’all.
How is chasing federal law enforcement through the streets seeking to disrupt their basic functions, in an organized, funded, and preplanned manner not insurrection?
The continuing double standard in MSM coverage to me is appalling. We have major stories related to the J6 pipebomber, COVID origins, and ongoing efforts Ford is depicting here — and somehow grasping at Epstein straws is the big story? Almost like the Democrat accusation that Epstein was an effort for Trump to create a distraction was projection on their part.
I’ve been wondering this for a while. I suspect they’re trying to provoke an ugly confrontation with ICE that looks awful and results in ICE being sidelined for a while. Otherwise it’s mind boggling that they’re trying hard to get into a firefight with law enforcement.
The Chicago PD have strict rules on car chases/active pursuit of suspects - they might even prohibit officers from doing so - because the city has paid out so much in settlements to people (mainly innocent bystanders) who were injured or killed in the resulting crashes.
So... one of these vigilantes causes a crash, quite possibly a horrific one - do they get sued? Do their funders get sued, considering they are the ones with the cash?
Or, because this is a vile freak show of a city, does the civil jury bring out an intersectionality chart to decide how much, if anything, to pay? "Well, the non-binary driver was white, but they is not cishetero, and they were trying to protect the oppressed brown people, so..."
"Well, the non-binary driver was white, but they is not cishetero, and they were trying to protect the oppressed brown people, so..."
This captures the hilarious absurdity of the left's identity games really well.
That's exactly what they want.
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If they truly believed that Trump was a nazi , they wouldn't dare do the things they are doing, because they would be no more..
Great point! What dictator or "king" would ever allow this?
A fresh reminder, this, that the conservatives who always talked about freedom from state power when so someone like Obama was in charge roll over like poodles when the guy cracking the whip it is a Republican.
The people who were the victims of the original Nazis were the same way.
Non sequitur. The point is, the ability and actions of those who protest that Trump is an autocrat completely undercut their grievance that Trump is an autocrat. A king or dictator would not allow such protests. Any whip cracking has to do with those who are not protesting within legal parameters or those obstructing the enforcement of democratically-enacted laws.
In the first place, no one is claiming that Trump has completely usurped the Constitution (although Stephen Miller in his “deer in the headlights” freeze-up on CNN basically tipped his hand that that is the plan), and even under autocracies it is possible to protest as long as you don’t mind getting your skull cracked.
However, my point (which you evaded) is that the hypocrisy of the conservative movement has reached terminal velocity. You know openly advocate for every abuse of power that you have always condemned when it was only hypothetical under Democrats.
Legacy media pastors report from an alternate, manufactured universe, to a dwindling number of true-believing parishioners in that same universe, and engage in a great deal of bobbing and weaving to avoid having to acknowledge the existence of this one. You've got to hand it to them for the daily effort this must require.
ICE is doing an excellent job in a very difficult environment.. Rounding up, criminals, illegal aliens, and whomever[ like the deranged Trans, Antifanites, etc.] interferes with the execution of their legal duties.. Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary.. DHS says they have gotten 2,000,000 out.. so We have 11 million remaining who most probably want an immigration hearing... NO.. NO Fu#%ing Way... as an illegal invader, they do not have Any Legal rights.. certainly not to clog up our court system for the next decade[ think about those costs!..] NO expedite deportation of those invaders... by whatever means necessary.. that includes the National Guard, US Marines, etc... which are legally justified because if 11 million illegal aliens are not an invasionary force what could possibly be one?
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"Which would not be necessary were it not for the greatest Traitor in the history of this nation.. BIDEN with a strong assist by SOROS , this round up/ deportation would not be necessary."
That is exactly what I tell my leftie friends when they complain. Had Biden upheld his constitutional oath, this would not have elevated to this level, and the hard-working illegals would be living happily ever after. BUT, the Dems are on their side, right?
And in Berkeley, they were protesting ... comedy.
https://aynsrants.substack.com/p/berkeley-can-we-talk
Beats studying I guess. What a waste of money for waste of space toddlers.
So….. we now appear to have people who are either here illegally or who are protesting the removal of people who are here illegally shouting, “ICE go home.” Ironic.
These people use their kids as shields and theatrics trained and perform on demand.
Wish we could arrest and jail them all. What useless parasites.
I think we should bus the protesters to the countries these illegal immigrants are fleeing so they can protest there. Fix that so the people don’t have to leave! But wait…..they’d get arrested, shot, jailed or deported because they would be in that other country illegally.
How did Americans get to be so dumb?
Media...
..aided and abetted by a corrupt "education" system.
Doing laundry and cleaning the house after a long day at work, which is a great time to think. The people who are assaulting law enforcement for upholding the law would be better off setting up a place where illegal immigrants can find someone (protesters) to provide food, clothing, housing, transportation, medical care and anything else they need while they await “due process”. From there they can manage a program to get them due process at the expense of their sponsor family, with all associated services provided by supporters of illegal migrants on a volunteer basis.
The sponsor family must move through this process with the sponsee.
Any illegal immigrant with a criminal record, violent or not, must appear with an attorney who is volunteering his or her time for that person. There must be a record showing a minimum of 4 free hours spent with the immigrant prior to the court appearance so we know they have some familiarity with the person or family and are not running a kangaroo court.
The judges releasing illegal immigrants over due process concerns should volunteer their time and hear the cases/claims for these sponsored people ….after hours. They are paid to work for the American people. If they want to work for no -Americans they should do it on their own dime and with their free time. It costs a great deal to run a courtroom and the courts are supposedly already clogged. This is a side gig, not the main event. Americans should not have to pay anything other than heat and lights at the building.
Security personnel or other staff required to transcribe for the judges, provide security, manage the schedule etc should also volunteer their time.
If a judge rules that these people can stay they must be remanded back over to their sponsor and must return to show that they have filled out the proper paperwork to achieve legal status, they must be gainfully employed within 90 days, and they must have housing. A tent is not a house. There must be a physical address. Until they are employed and have housing they must remain with their foster family. If they don’t have a job or a home they need to explain why and must remain with their volunteer sponsor until they do have a job. Once assigned the sponsor (protester) is responsible for this person or this family until all obligations are met.
I doubt very much that the protesters would sign up to bring illegal immigrants into their homes and doubt that you would find enough judges and court staff willing to volunteer their time for this cause.
Wonderful idea, but that would require them to walk the talk. See also Martha's Vineyard 24 hour expulsion of illegals...
Precisely. They won’t. They don’t care enough to act in any meaningful way to actually help these people. It makes me wonder if this is a repeat of the Civil War, where the liberals fought to keep slaves to do the work they didn’t want to do but excused their amoral behavior by saying black people were too feeble-minded to be independent. It’s an abusive relationship.
After serving them Froot Loups.
If those citizens weren't acting so crazy, they wouldn't need the National Guard in those cities to protect ICE..
Thank goodness those jazzercisists kept their clothes on!
They should just put a big fence around Portlandia and slowly back away....
I'm at the point where every major city should have a wall around it.
Could only get through 8 minutes of the video.
Degens ?
I'm depressed enough without even trying to watch it.
Great reply!
It was painful to get to get to 8 minutes...
This love for migrants would all stop if Trump declared a climate change emergency.
Just kidding they would instantly pull a 180 and city folk would start trading in their EVs and corollas for gas pickup trucks in cities again.
They gambled and lost. The Biden admin, thru the "coyotes" brought new funding to the cartels. How did the so called impoverished find the thousands of dollars for illegal passage to the US? When the illegal migrants live in the US, work jobs that are meant just for them and raise a family , they have to face the consequences of that decision. Wagering on an amnesty that may or not happen has serious effects on the children born here when it does not pan out.
Mostly middle class white woman seem to be the most incensed, maybe they are losing their housekeeper or nanny? The other performances by the crazed left have no explanation. Furries, trans, antifa and members of the latino community vs federal agents act like they want an ass beating, but hopefully it will never come. Unprovoked that is.
Trump promised this and it will be messy, but the delusional Democratic party seems to think mainstream American are cool with no borders.
The reality is a vast majority of the illegals must be deported but not all(see below). Why because they have depressed wages for middle class Americans and increased unemployment and poverty for American citizens. That means employers need to be sanctioned to get rid of them(self deportation). They’ve created an affordable housing crisis. They use services not legally for them, healthcare, food stamps, welfare. I don’t care what democrats say about this it’s costing hundreds of billions of dollars and driving up debt. They’re negatively impacting k-12 education with increasing class sizes and the need for interpreters, all of which slows down teaching for American students. Crime, which should be at the top of any list hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of them were criminals in their own country and have committed heinous crimes here. Now regarding the “some should not be deported. This is a reflection of our below average birth rates in this country at 1.6 replacement when it should be 2.1 to maintain a stable population. IMHO those chosen to stay would be solely young family units with two parents, young children, neither parent would have so much as a parking ticket. These families would earn citizenship and all data suggests parents and children will become true Americans, the children will indistinguishable from any other Americans . That’s my take on this.
The complete non-emphasis on the effects of illegal immigration on lower income brackets is conspicuous.
We don't even need to "keep" any of the illegal immigrants to address population issues either.
There's a heckuva waiting list of people hoping to immigrate here legally!
The whole charade is a huge, callous, cynical con.
Legal immigration doesn’t come close to replacement. The demographics and economics of long term under replacement of a population are devastating. Just google China’s under replacement problems. It’s much worse than ours but what’s going to happen to China by the turn of the century will be devastating to them. I agree about what the illegals are doing to the lower income brackets.
I must say I'm more impressed with the Chicago protest. This kind of harassment actually makes the feds' job more difficult and probably reduces their catch rate. It also pushes them into doing stupid things in response, like crashing into one of their pursuers (not in the video - a couple of days ago.) Portland's action s are meant to get on their nerves, but I hope they're out blowing whistles, as well.
The veterans can also be very impressive, as we saw.
It's highly illegal to use soldiers for domestic law enforcement, short of martial law; that's why the judges are nixing it. D.C. is an exception, because it's ultimately under the direct controi of the federal government There's a long history of capital cities wagging the dog politically, so the special status makes some sense.
The thing is, those laws (the Posse Comitatus Act) were put in place in the 19th century by Southerners who did not want the Federal government interfering with their peculiar and distinctive social arrangements. When Trump is mobilizing National Guard troops to any city to protect ICE facilities, he is only doing what Lincoln did at Fort Sumter: protecting Federal facilities under attack by misbehaving locals. The opposition argument for opposing this, as indeed for “sanctuary cities” generally is, get this, state’s rights. Putting themselves on the same legal ground as white supremacists. The irony is rich.
Are you purposely being obtuse or do you just it understand the point I am making?
Handouts called “entitlements” are the bane of this society. If you are “entitled” to food, shelter, health care and top it off with a check, just because you are here or are a citizen, you have less of an incentive to PROVIDE FOR YOURSELF. Isn’t that the natural goal of life?????
And the word “entitlement” goes along with the term “dependent” upon OTHERS because you can’t or won’t (and too often it’s won’t) provide for yourself and your family.
Even a new born baby seeks to pull itself up if an adult puts their finger in front of them.
But not these layabouts…either domestic or imported...who rely upon others to provide for own their basic needs rather than get off their fat asses and go to work. And before you call me heartless, I’m not against supporting the disabled and the like. Because they are a tiny part of the cost. And, by the way, before the Federal govt big footed private charities aside, they took care of the truly needful, which I define as those who face unfortunate circumstances beyond their own control.
And the cost is so high that these TRANSFER PAYMENTS - robbing Peter to pay Paul (and that’s exactly what it is) it constitutes more than 50% of the national budget excluding the interest on the debt that’s piled up to pay for these leeches. And the total we’ve spent on the handout programs invented just since 1965 exceeds the cumulative national debt.
If I couldn’t put a roof over my head, food on the table and a shirt on my back I’d find a high tree and short rope. Then again, there are too few people with enough self-respect to make a dent into the cost of these abominable “entitlement” programs which are called entitlements instead of WELFARE so people don’t have to face up to the truth of their failed lives. Just like they changed the name from food stamp to SNAP benefits. They want the freebies, but can’t face up to their own failures.
It’s an offensive word to describe welfare handouts