Well, for starters, their whole argument is that "spike protein is bad". Which clearly is true - that's how COVID-19 gets in and does its damage.
But it has no relevance to whether or not mRNA vaccines are bad, because they don't encode active spike protein. They encode bits of the spike protein equivalent to chopped up inactive spike pro…
Well, for starters, their whole argument is that "spike protein is bad". Which clearly is true - that's how COVID-19 gets in and does its damage.
But it has no relevance to whether or not mRNA vaccines are bad, because they don't encode active spike protein. They encode bits of the spike protein equivalent to chopped up inactive spike protein.
It's a bit like saying "measles can kill, watch out!" to someone taking a vaccine with inactivated, chopped up measles, the whole point of which is not to infect but to create an immune response to the "bits" that will cross over to the native virus and stop it.
Well, I am not a scientist but I don't think you have that quite right. First, I don't think there is anything about the spike protein that is inactive or active. It just exists. If by 'inactive' you mean that it is incapable of reproducing, that is correct, but I don't think that too many vaccine hesitant people are confused on that point.
Second, much of the discussion about the vaccine does concern the spike protein, apart from its reproducibility; specifically, with respect to two points: a) can it detach from the cell wall (after having been transcribed via the mRNA)? and b) if it can detach, does it do damage to the body (that is, is it 'cytotoxic')? If you listen to minutes 13 to 30 in the Malone interview you will get an appreciation for some of these subtle issues. ( https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-in-three-easy:0 )
Spot on. And I don’t know about anyone else here - I am not anti-vaxx. Any choice I make will be 1) INFORMED by data, scientific and anecdotal evidence 2) A CHOICE. A couple of years ago I went to India and was offered an anti-malarial (guess). Personally I had a better chance of dying from malaria than I do from COVID but I declined because I was aware of certain specific side effects. The safety profile of this particular drug was extensive. I made my CHOICE based on accurate, clear, consistent research that became available over time. Everyone must have a right to well-informed choice. There are things that kill far more people and there is no other drug, treatment or vaccine that has been pushed this hard. IMO It’s about much more than $$$.
The spike protein is 1273 amino acids long. I'm talking about using amino acids 200-400 as a chain, for example. They would have no direct activity. But since the immune system reacts to chains of like 8-30 amino acids, when trained by recognizing the sequence of 310-330 that sit on the 200-400 chain, then it would attack the full 1273 spike protein sequence right at the 310-330 spot.
Well, for starters, their whole argument is that "spike protein is bad". Which clearly is true - that's how COVID-19 gets in and does its damage.
But it has no relevance to whether or not mRNA vaccines are bad, because they don't encode active spike protein. They encode bits of the spike protein equivalent to chopped up inactive spike protein.
It's a bit like saying "measles can kill, watch out!" to someone taking a vaccine with inactivated, chopped up measles, the whole point of which is not to infect but to create an immune response to the "bits" that will cross over to the native virus and stop it.
Well, I am not a scientist but I don't think you have that quite right. First, I don't think there is anything about the spike protein that is inactive or active. It just exists. If by 'inactive' you mean that it is incapable of reproducing, that is correct, but I don't think that too many vaccine hesitant people are confused on that point.
Second, much of the discussion about the vaccine does concern the spike protein, apart from its reproducibility; specifically, with respect to two points: a) can it detach from the cell wall (after having been transcribed via the mRNA)? and b) if it can detach, does it do damage to the body (that is, is it 'cytotoxic')? If you listen to minutes 13 to 30 in the Malone interview you will get an appreciation for some of these subtle issues. ( https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-in-three-easy:0 )
Spot on. And I don’t know about anyone else here - I am not anti-vaxx. Any choice I make will be 1) INFORMED by data, scientific and anecdotal evidence 2) A CHOICE. A couple of years ago I went to India and was offered an anti-malarial (guess). Personally I had a better chance of dying from malaria than I do from COVID but I declined because I was aware of certain specific side effects. The safety profile of this particular drug was extensive. I made my CHOICE based on accurate, clear, consistent research that became available over time. Everyone must have a right to well-informed choice. There are things that kill far more people and there is no other drug, treatment or vaccine that has been pushed this hard. IMO It’s about much more than $$$.
The spike protein is 1273 amino acids long. I'm talking about using amino acids 200-400 as a chain, for example. They would have no direct activity. But since the immune system reacts to chains of like 8-30 amino acids, when trained by recognizing the sequence of 310-330 that sit on the 200-400 chain, then it would attack the full 1273 spike protein sequence right at the 310-330 spot.