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Lekimball's avatar

And p.s. Yeah, ALL the Pilgrims were horrible people. Slavery existed all over the world, so it's not surprising it came here, too, and WE ended it. Our forefathers anticipated the end of it, if yo u don't think so read John Adams' tirades against it and the way they worded the constitution. John Adams is my cousin, both descended from Henry Adams of Braintree -- and he paid them and taught them and railed against it constantly on the senate floor. Washington and Jefferson made changes in the right direction. And just where were these wonderful people, the inherently wonderful ones? Just where did they come from? Indigenous Native Americans were violent as could be. Killed each other with abandon and owned slaves. Just where are these oh so wonderful people who were inherently good and never had to evolve into decent people? Give it a rest. So America is just so so. Whatever. NO people are great. They have all head to evolve and we did better than most. Too bad you can't be more thanksful for things.

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yet another Pilgrim descendant chiming in to defend them. Yes, they were uptight and it's woke to make fun of them. But you and your fellow New England haters obsess about this prudery, which as you note is not that weird in the contest of the seventeenth century, and ignore a much more important contribution. The Pilgrims, who have morphed into today's Congregationalists and Unitarians, rejected all religious hierarchy and made the religion essentially democratic. So while the Catholic Church creaks on as a medieval relic, those cantankerous Pilgrims and their unique style of governance allowed their religion to adapt to the times. You'd be hard pressed to find more liberal denominations than the Congos and the Unitarians, which is a testament to just how flexible this religious structure was. And it's undeniable that New England, ruled by these churches through the nineteenth century, was responsible for the country's great universities, writers, philosophers, the Revolution and the abolition of slavery. All in all, it's a pretty good scorecard. Happy post Thanksgiving recovery everyone.

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