I haven't read the timeline yet, but consider this: What would the NY Times, WaPo, CNN, etc, look like right now if they could point a finger at Trump for doing lab experiments on beagles?
The only reason the sources you mention haven't blamed Trump for the slowing of Earth's rotation is that this particular charge hasn't yet occurred to them.
Sure there is, hundreds of thousands of financial criminals and corporate criminals along with the government criminals and the legal criminals and, of course, the media criminals. The rot is right across society at the upper middle class and upwards!
Mostly connected to and supported by the criminal cabal known as the Democrat Party with its tentacles oozing through the network of NGOs, universities and boardrooms.
Yes. Fauci is the face of corruption, but he's not the only person involved in this saga. Unfortunately, the profit motive and possibly even a depopulation agenda (hard to prove but anecdotally one can make a case for this).
One guy is very rarely solely at fault for anything. There is generally a group (100s or 1000s of people) involved to effect it. Many "just doing their jobs" and due to compartmentalization this is often true.
No friggin excuse for anyone to be involved in such lowlife behavior!
Any and all who are working for any pharm company , big or small , knowingly engaging in such lowlife crappola needs to have their vocal cords cut and their head stuck in a net cage with sand flies . Such persons are _______! Really no words to describe someone who would do such to animals . The same goes to the use of Monkeys for such lowlife actions.
I am not arguing with you. I am just saying that is why compartmentalization exists as a process/policy mechanism to obscure job functions and prevent the full picture being seen by all. Anyone close to the acts themselves know exactly what they are doing (strategically, operationally, or tactically). Fauci may not have witnessed the horrible treatment of beagles, but he clearly signed off on it (unless it said simply "biologic test subjects" on the approval form and he is similarly compartmentalized out of the process. Doubtful, but it's a plausible excuse.
True. Fauci, Collins, Daszak.....including many other members of the deep state and Democrat cabal that spit on our Bill of Rights and oppressed free Americans with mandatory lockdowns, masking, and vaccination.
It's hard to own stock and pretend to be ethical. It's impossible with an index fund. The inconvenience of that, the pinching of ego, is totally irrelevant. There are maybe not good ways forward at the moment, but we need to deal with the bad or we're going to slip-and-slid into something we can't come back from.
We don't need revenge, we need accountability. Fauci is a monster but he's not the issue—we need systemic accountability, in a court of law, for all to see. Then we need to prove that we are not the inhumane monsters we condemn. We gotta regain our humanity, or we're toast. So imo: no hanging, but full-light-of-day accountability, is the only viable way forward at this point. Still, I appreciate your comment....
Treason is a capital offense. Sorry but Fauci is a traitor who aided and abetted our enemy, the CCP. Traitors used to be hanged, drawn and quartered so I am being merciful.
He's not a traitor because you say so. He's a traitor when he is proven so in a court of law. Because we are not a lawless nation. Your anger (which I share) is irrelevant. The reason we're in this position is because people indulged their righteousness (regardless of its merit or lack thereof) above and beyond the principles that sustain civic order—and the grounds for any moral argument to begin with.
He is a traitor because he lied and covered up - both with respect to the funding for and activities of the Wuhan lab and China's role in releasing and spreading the Covid-19 virus. He also played a seminal role in the oppression of the American public during the pandemic and he likely profited to a significant extent from his misdeeds. I have no problem with him being brought to trial. I have a huge problem with him not being brought to trial and him being given a blanket pardon for crimes not even revealed. That is not the hallmark of a moral society or good civic order.
I’m sorry, I couldn’t read past the past few paragraphs. I’ve supported WCW and a couple of others for years now in their efforts to stop these experiments. I just couldn’t read about it anymore today. We need to change the incentives. Lawyers incentivize companies to continue these experiments as protection from lawsuits. Universities incentivize staff to do it to keep them busy. We use additives in our food that are GRAS. Studies are not properly conducted on new vaccines. If all these “scientists” need something to do, perhaps they can work in these areas rather than literally torturing these animals.
I had already read about it in RFK Jr.’s book and heard about it on other podcasts. I couldn’t read it either. I skipped the gruesome parts of the article.
do you cry when you see children sick and dying? do you wonder how some of them are saved..or if you need a drug to save your childs life. do you wonder how it came to be? try animal research. when you pet gores to the vet and get a rabies hot to protect them. do you wonder how that came about out.. when your pet is sick or need surgery. do you wonder ?? think about it
There are other ways to test besides torturing domesticated animals, but the mengeles convince you otherwise. Many of these other ways are already in use in research.
White Coat Waste should take a well-deserved victory lap.
And I know that many people hate PETA, but they don't stray from their core mission of promoting animal welfare. You don't see them advocating for other random social justice causes, and when companies or institutions change their policies, they commend them.
what a joke PETAphiles promote animal rights. not animal welfare. they kill thousands of animals for n o reason. www.petakillsanimals.com. PETA killed over 2,000 cats and dogs in 2022, and more than 47,000 animals since 1998. these are the latest stats we have.. and I can assure you that many of them could have found homes. animal rights and animal welfare. know the difference.What's the difference between animal rights and animal welfare?
Animal welfare and animal rights differ based on one key aspect: Animal welfare is a scientific approach to our relationship with animals, whereas animal rights is a philosophical approach.
Animal rights philosophy is based on the idea that animals should not be used by people for any reason, and that animal rights should protect their interests the way human rights protect people.
Animal welfare, on the other hand, is a set of practices designed to govern the treatment of animals who are being controlled by humans, whether for food, research, entertainment or other uses.
For example, animal rights proponents aim to end all farming of animals and promote veganism, while animal welfare proponents aim to improve the lives of all animals in farm settings and promote eating less, and higher welfare, meat. Animal welfare is concerned about the quality of animals' lives, and minimizing animal suffering whereas animal rightists are focused on the ethical argument over whether animals should be used by humans in the first place.
There is something really evil in a person believing this isn’t torture and convincing themselves its needed. I hope CDC and NIH can become viable again. If I were the President I’d limit funding to overseas labs too
I can't even read this because I will get uncontrollably upset and cry and there's no crying 😢 allowed in the middle of the day. However, I am so glad this is over. We should not be hurting things that have no way to fight back.
you know when I cry.. when I see a dog being “put to sleep” for no reason.. hence wwwpetakillsanimals.com. I cry when I see a child have a transplant that will allow them to live because of an animal..I cry when i see children in Africa being cured of diseases that resulted in animal research.. that’s when I cry
I must admit that I was too heartbroken and horrified to go to some of the links. What's just as horrifying are the attempts, once again, by our esteemed legacy media to either downplay or cover up anything that reflected negatively on the Biden administration. I cannot hate them enough.
I remember as a dental student in the late 1980’s at UCSF, we had to walk by a dog lab on a daily basis. The barking and crying was difficult to hear. As Dr. Makary recently said, there are many other ways to test new drugs that give results of high quality such that we have no need to use dogs in experiments. It’s about time. Really, although he’s a despicable, evil man, Fauci wasn’t the only one who used dogs in their research.
I’m not saying that at all. What I am saying is now that we have ways to test products that work just as well, according to Dr. Makary and Dr. Bhattacharya, whose opinions I trust, we no longer have the need to use dogs as research subjects. In the past while that may not have been the case, we dental students still felt compassion for the dogs who gave their lives in the name of research.
gave their lives. for dental research? I agree every experiment that replaces an animal with another model is great. however the group touted here is an animal RIGHTS group that wants NO animal be used at all for anything.. nothing. they fool you into sending them cash then use it against animal owners..
UCSF has many other schools in addition to dental. The research lab we walked by daily was not related to dentistry. I think it was pharmaceutical research of some sort. Although I was sympathetic to them, I haven’t donated to any causes related to that. I appreciate your concern.
and yet the. big pharma research on animals has not been touched.. should it be.. yes. but money talks...look I agree every bit of research that can be done without animals. should be done.. but as a doctor you shold be rational about science.. people here are posting based on pure emotion. I am amzed to see people her wish for testing to be done on “other people” and that they cannot see how much good has come from animal research
This is very good but it's still the "low hanging fruit!" The rot across the government, Wall Street, corporations and media is close to being omnipresent. Criminality has become legalized and ALL pervasive. Almost everything NOW done on Wall Street used to be illegal and now the casino is the way to make the most money 🤑. There's always been a "gambling" part of the market but it was miniscule and played by gamblers on the non prime exchanges. The market used to support physical engineering and now it's mostly financial engineering and they're still pushing the envelope and private equity and hedge funds are in the business of making money by destroying real companies doing real production. Frankly, I think it's either them the financial engineering or it's, us the people and there's not a lot of time before a major collapse. Think what happened to Russia after the USSR collapsed can't happen here? OH yeah it can, you can only have a certain level of corruption and malfeasance and we're close NOW to the tipping point!
I haven't read the timeline yet, but consider this: What would the NY Times, WaPo, CNN, etc, look like right now if they could point a finger at Trump for doing lab experiments on beagles?
The only reason the sources you mention haven't blamed Trump for the slowing of Earth's rotation is that this particular charge hasn't yet occurred to them.
Is there anyone more deserving of a public hanging than the treasonous Doctor Fauci- the Mephistophelian Mengele of our time?
Sure there is, hundreds of thousands of financial criminals and corporate criminals along with the government criminals and the legal criminals and, of course, the media criminals. The rot is right across society at the upper middle class and upwards!
Mostly connected to and supported by the criminal cabal known as the Democrat Party with its tentacles oozing through the network of NGOs, universities and boardrooms.
Yes. Fauci is the face of corruption, but he's not the only person involved in this saga. Unfortunately, the profit motive and possibly even a depopulation agenda (hard to prove but anecdotally one can make a case for this).
One guy is very rarely solely at fault for anything. There is generally a group (100s or 1000s of people) involved to effect it. Many "just doing their jobs" and due to compartmentalization this is often true.
No friggin excuse for anyone to be involved in such lowlife behavior!
Any and all who are working for any pharm company , big or small , knowingly engaging in such lowlife crappola needs to have their vocal cords cut and their head stuck in a net cage with sand flies . Such persons are _______! Really no words to describe someone who would do such to animals . The same goes to the use of Monkeys for such lowlife actions.
I am not arguing with you. I am just saying that is why compartmentalization exists as a process/policy mechanism to obscure job functions and prevent the full picture being seen by all. Anyone close to the acts themselves know exactly what they are doing (strategically, operationally, or tactically). Fauci may not have witnessed the horrible treatment of beagles, but he clearly signed off on it (unless it said simply "biologic test subjects" on the approval form and he is similarly compartmentalized out of the process. Doubtful, but it's a plausible excuse.
True. Fauci, Collins, Daszak.....including many other members of the deep state and Democrat cabal that spit on our Bill of Rights and oppressed free Americans with mandatory lockdowns, masking, and vaccination.
It's hard to own stock and pretend to be ethical. It's impossible with an index fund. The inconvenience of that, the pinching of ego, is totally irrelevant. There are maybe not good ways forward at the moment, but we need to deal with the bad or we're going to slip-and-slid into something we can't come back from.
The most nonsensical thing I have read today.
"pinching of ego"
Complete nonsense.
We don't need revenge, we need accountability. Fauci is a monster but he's not the issue—we need systemic accountability, in a court of law, for all to see. Then we need to prove that we are not the inhumane monsters we condemn. We gotta regain our humanity, or we're toast. So imo: no hanging, but full-light-of-day accountability, is the only viable way forward at this point. Still, I appreciate your comment....
Treason is a capital offense. Sorry but Fauci is a traitor who aided and abetted our enemy, the CCP. Traitors used to be hanged, drawn and quartered so I am being merciful.
He's not a traitor because you say so. He's a traitor when he is proven so in a court of law. Because we are not a lawless nation. Your anger (which I share) is irrelevant. The reason we're in this position is because people indulged their righteousness (regardless of its merit or lack thereof) above and beyond the principles that sustain civic order—and the grounds for any moral argument to begin with.
He is a traitor because he lied and covered up - both with respect to the funding for and activities of the Wuhan lab and China's role in releasing and spreading the Covid-19 virus. He also played a seminal role in the oppression of the American public during the pandemic and he likely profited to a significant extent from his misdeeds. I have no problem with him being brought to trial. I have a huge problem with him not being brought to trial and him being given a blanket pardon for crimes not even revealed. That is not the hallmark of a moral society or good civic order.
Nope
I’m sorry, I couldn’t read past the past few paragraphs. I’ve supported WCW and a couple of others for years now in their efforts to stop these experiments. I just couldn’t read about it anymore today. We need to change the incentives. Lawyers incentivize companies to continue these experiments as protection from lawsuits. Universities incentivize staff to do it to keep them busy. We use additives in our food that are GRAS. Studies are not properly conducted on new vaccines. If all these “scientists” need something to do, perhaps they can work in these areas rather than literally torturing these animals.
Agree this is almost impossible to read without crying but if people like you who support WCW were not in our world it would go on.
I had already read about it in RFK Jr.’s book and heard about it on other podcasts. I couldn’t read it either. I skipped the gruesome parts of the article.
do you cry when you see children sick and dying? do you wonder how some of them are saved..or if you need a drug to save your childs life. do you wonder how it came to be? try animal research. when you pet gores to the vet and get a rabies hot to protect them. do you wonder how that came about out.. when your pet is sick or need surgery. do you wonder ?? think about it
There are other ways to test besides torturing domesticated animals, but the mengeles convince you otherwise. Many of these other ways are already in use in research.
Then you volunteer for the testing! Lowlife
LOL. I am a dog breeder..so yes many Petaphiles consider me a lowlife. but hey I dont care..I am thankful every day that my dogs live long and healthy lives due to animal research.. read up.. make sure to click on the “graphic” pHotos. ( not a dog. a human being).https://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/the-use-of-dogs-in-animal-based-research-the-rest-of-the-story
I am a farmer (livestock) and this evil, torturous animal research needs to be obliterated.
White Coat Waste should take a well-deserved victory lap.
And I know that many people hate PETA, but they don't stray from their core mission of promoting animal welfare. You don't see them advocating for other random social justice causes, and when companies or institutions change their policies, they commend them.
what a joke PETAphiles promote animal rights. not animal welfare. they kill thousands of animals for n o reason. www.petakillsanimals.com. PETA killed over 2,000 cats and dogs in 2022, and more than 47,000 animals since 1998. these are the latest stats we have.. and I can assure you that many of them could have found homes. animal rights and animal welfare. know the difference.What's the difference between animal rights and animal welfare?
Animal welfare and animal rights differ based on one key aspect: Animal welfare is a scientific approach to our relationship with animals, whereas animal rights is a philosophical approach.
Animal rights philosophy is based on the idea that animals should not be used by people for any reason, and that animal rights should protect their interests the way human rights protect people.
Animal welfare, on the other hand, is a set of practices designed to govern the treatment of animals who are being controlled by humans, whether for food, research, entertainment or other uses.
For example, animal rights proponents aim to end all farming of animals and promote veganism, while animal welfare proponents aim to improve the lives of all animals in farm settings and promote eating less, and higher welfare, meat. Animal welfare is concerned about the quality of animals' lives, and minimizing animal suffering whereas animal rightists are focused on the ethical argument over whether animals should be used by humans in the first place.
I just love the PETA girls protesting leather by wearing vinyl made of oil from an industry that kills far more animals.
They are idiots at best and useful idiots at worst.
...But its *Vegan*.
These beagle experiments are so depraved and evil that it makes me question my lack of belief in supernatural forces of light and darkness.
That is actually not uncommon when evil like this is exposed.
There is something really evil in a person believing this isn’t torture and convincing themselves its needed. I hope CDC and NIH can become viable again. If I were the President I’d limit funding to overseas labs too
I can't even read this because I will get uncontrollably upset and cry and there's no crying 😢 allowed in the middle of the day. However, I am so glad this is over. We should not be hurting things that have no way to fight back.
Right there with you, friend. Stay strong because it's people who actually care who we need the most right now.
you know when I cry.. when I see a dog being “put to sleep” for no reason.. hence wwwpetakillsanimals.com. I cry when I see a child have a transplant that will allow them to live because of an animal..I cry when i see children in Africa being cured of diseases that resulted in animal research.. that’s when I cry
In 20 years, will anyone remember that it was Trump that ended this practice?
I hope so. With all my soul
I hate Anthony Fauci with the fire of a thousand suns.
Every single human who participated in this should be subjected to all of the same experiments. Or just put up against a wall and summarily executed
Let's go with the slow torture experiment route
I must admit that I was too heartbroken and horrified to go to some of the links. What's just as horrifying are the attempts, once again, by our esteemed legacy media to either downplay or cover up anything that reflected negatively on the Biden administration. I cannot hate them enough.
I remember as a dental student in the late 1980’s at UCSF, we had to walk by a dog lab on a daily basis. The barking and crying was difficult to hear. As Dr. Makary recently said, there are many other ways to test new drugs that give results of high quality such that we have no need to use dogs in experiments. It’s about time. Really, although he’s a despicable, evil man, Fauci wasn’t the only one who used dogs in their research.
hmm how was procaine invented? would you prefer that your patients not have the benefit of animal research.. ouch
I’m not saying that at all. What I am saying is now that we have ways to test products that work just as well, according to Dr. Makary and Dr. Bhattacharya, whose opinions I trust, we no longer have the need to use dogs as research subjects. In the past while that may not have been the case, we dental students still felt compassion for the dogs who gave their lives in the name of research.
gave their lives. for dental research? I agree every experiment that replaces an animal with another model is great. however the group touted here is an animal RIGHTS group that wants NO animal be used at all for anything.. nothing. they fool you into sending them cash then use it against animal owners..
UCSF has many other schools in addition to dental. The research lab we walked by daily was not related to dentistry. I think it was pharmaceutical research of some sort. Although I was sympathetic to them, I haven’t donated to any causes related to that. I appreciate your concern.
and yet the. big pharma research on animals has not been touched.. should it be.. yes. but money talks...look I agree every bit of research that can be done without animals. should be done.. but as a doctor you shold be rational about science.. people here are posting based on pure emotion. I am amzed to see people her wish for testing to be done on “other people” and that they cannot see how much good has come from animal research
It sounds like you have such a huge emotional fear of disease and death that you find it acceptable to torture animals in order for you to feel safer.
I'm thrilled to see this sick stuff exposed and defunded.
Torturing animals is an early indicator of psychopathology. Those scientists and their leader, Fauci, may be clinically insane.
What I wouldn’t give to see Fauci surrounded by a pack of angry beagles with revenge on their minds.
They would probably forgive him.
Too painful to read, but thank you.
This is very good but it's still the "low hanging fruit!" The rot across the government, Wall Street, corporations and media is close to being omnipresent. Criminality has become legalized and ALL pervasive. Almost everything NOW done on Wall Street used to be illegal and now the casino is the way to make the most money 🤑. There's always been a "gambling" part of the market but it was miniscule and played by gamblers on the non prime exchanges. The market used to support physical engineering and now it's mostly financial engineering and they're still pushing the envelope and private equity and hedge funds are in the business of making money by destroying real companies doing real production. Frankly, I think it's either them the financial engineering or it's, us the people and there's not a lot of time before a major collapse. Think what happened to Russia after the USSR collapsed can't happen here? OH yeah it can, you can only have a certain level of corruption and malfeasance and we're close NOW to the tipping point!