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Ibbiat's avatar

You people are acting like we don't have data on this.

A vaccinated person is 90% less likely to end up in the hospital for Covid than a Covid-naive person.

How the f**k do you explain that, other than, the vaccine reduces the severity of infections.

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JAFO's avatar

Let me guess, because your uncle Goering said so, potty mouth?

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I keep an eye on the Covid hospitalization statistics that are tracked by the local government for the city where I live in the US, and a city in western Europe that I travel to on a semi-regular basis. The numbers agree.

So either 90% is pretty close to the actual number, or... there's a global conspiracy (George Soros?) that is so widespread and so effective that the local governments for two semi-random cities, in different countries, on opposite sides of the planet, are juking their hospitalization statistics.

I guess that's what you think is happening?

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JAFO's avatar

Not at all. We both KNOW hospitals are paid more per Covid patient than other airborne viral conditions. So they quick-PCR test to find the tiniest measurable amount of virus in EVERYONE who walks in the door effectively padding the numbers for higher reimbursements. Nor am I saying I wouldn't do the same since it's legal to do so.

What I AM saying is Covid is not the Black Death (those same hospital statistics prove this) the media wants everyone to believe it is and it's not in everyone's best interest to be injected with drugs that haven't been through the same vetting processes that takes 10-12 years to complete for every other drug before they're ever considered EUA, IF they're ever considered at all, ESPECIALLY drugs that don't prevent the injectee from getting or spreading the infection it's meant to protect against.

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Eh... do we actually know that hospitals are paid more for Covid patients? Do you have evidence of that?

Also, you don't know which western European country I was referring to. Is your idea that ALL hospitals in ALL western European countries are "paid more" per Covid patient? How do you think that even works for countries that have socialized medicine?

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https://www.aha.org/advisory/2020-04-16-coronavirus-update-cms-releases-guidance-implementing-cares-act-provisions

Who knows what additional shenanigans are being played behind the scenes between governments and pharmaceutical companies for CoVid payment transfers elsewhere and why does that matter to anyone in the US?

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It doesn't matter to anyone in the US financially, but I think maybe you've lost track of what we were talking about, i.e., vaccine efficacy.

Maybe hospitals in the US have a financial incentive to skew numbers to make it look like the vaccines are more effective than they really are. (Aside: over-counting Covid cases wouldn't accomplish that anyway, so basically everything you've been saying is completely irrelevant.)

But for countries that don't manufacture the vaccines, don't profit from the vaccines, etc., what is their incentive for juking their own stats?

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