Most Trump voters aren't "radicalized", Matt, nor are we in danger of becoming so. You may have noticed that it wasn't Trump voters who raged through the streets of our cities this summer, burning, looting and killing. We ARE mighty pissed off, though. Who wouldn't be, with the media, Big Tech, the entire Democrat party and half the GOP working together to drag Biden over the finish line. The YouTube fiasco is merely the icing on a very rotten cake. Fuck Google, Facebook and Twitter, their woke-but-morally-bankrupt CEOs, and their obvious progressive biases. I don't know what the answer is, but an old-fashioned pillory might not be a bad place to start.
Harris and other democrats funded their bail, big time. Democratic DAs refused to prosecute. Democrats in Oregon right now refuse to remove antifa from occupying blocks of Portland brandishing guns. Biden said Antifa was just an idea. He and Harris supported them in word and deed before the election, yet you still voted for him. Seems all Biden supporters are simply blind or liars.
"Harris and other democrats funded their bail, big time. Democratic DAs refused to prosecute."
-Due to the amount of wrongful detentions and arrest. You're also saying this as if they specifically sought out self-identifying Antifa "members" and bailed them out, which is nonsense.
"Democrats in Oregon right now refuse to remove Antifa from occupying blocks of Portland brandishing guns."
-I'm sorry...is this a complaint from the Right about brandishing guns??? You're right to criticize Democratic leadership for being weak on the issue of their illegal occupation, but unless we just erase the Bundy stand-off and the Republicans' non-reaction from history, this really doesn't say anything about Democratic voters. The "CHAZ" people are way out on the fringe.
"Biden said Antifa was just an idea. He and Harris supported them in word and deed before the election, yet you still voted for him."
-And Trump couldn't do anything more to denounce White Supremacy than to say "Proud Boys, stand back, and stand by." That was after he pardoned Joe "I racially profile brown people" Arpaio. If Democrats are somehow guilty of Biden's words and actions, then so are Trump voters. Unless they're all "simply blind or liars."
You basically just mirrored ridiculous Leftist talking points that are designed to prove all Trump supporters must be racist.
Trump has explicitly, specifically denounced white supremacy on numerous occasions, you do know that, right? And the Proud Boys are not white supremacists, you also know that, right?
Let’s be honest. The people who call him a racist are racists themselves. They use race as a weapon. It’s not as if they care about minorities, other than for their votes. They don’t give a damn about the horrible conditions in urban areas and do NOTHING to mitigate them. Indeed, I think they prefer it that way. It provides Democrats with a large base of people who can be manipulated with the race card, accusing other people - conservatives - as the source of their problems.
When they call Trump a racist, they know that they are lying. They known that they are taking only a part of a quote to present a false image. They just that they don’t care. The left has degenerated into a group of people who will do ANYTHING to win. They lie. They encourage election fraud. They engage in it themselves. They are just horrible people.
He does it days after the incident in question, and does so in the pissed-off monotone he uses when he doesn't want to do something but everyone in his circle insisted he has to. For instance after Charlottesville it took him 3 days, and still a day later he backpedaled. As for the Proud Boys, they're "Western Chauvinists," their words, and are against non-European immigration. That's not a dog whistle, that's an air raid siren. No one, even trump, is going to say "I'm pro white supremacy." That doesn't mean they don't believe it. I mean, the first time Trump was ever in the newspaper was when Nixon's justice department fined his company for redlining apartments in Queens. You don't refuse to rent apartments to black people because you consider them equal to whites.
It’s funny...the right didn’t riot, they didn’t burn down businesses, they didn’t loot and they didn’t harm on a grand scale over weeks and weeks.
That is what the left did.
They supported it in word and deed. They bailed out rioters and looters. Biden and Harris. And they did it open and notoriously.
But you prefer to read between the lines and make assumptions that fit your narrative, and obsessively focus on them even if they pale in comparison to what the left did.
The left are racist to the core. Why, for example, is it a political crime to say blue lives matter? Or all lives matter? Oh no! It’s only BLM. And of course, let’s all ignore that the actual BLM group is a front for raising money for the Democrat party.
"He didn't say it soon enough" -- that's cool, you're agreeing that he said it.
"He backpedaled" -- nonsense, he changed his mind and supported white supremacy, then, did he?
"Proud Boys are Western Chauvinists" -- great, we agree that they're not white supremecists.
"They're against non-European immigration" -- you think they're against Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, for example, immigrating? Disentangle race and culture and rethink your stance.
"Refuse to rent apartments to black people" -- don't mix up correlation with causation, and while you do that, consider as a secondary point, why is it not considered sexist and ageist for car insurance companies to charge higher premiums to young male drivers?
I think that it’s beyond doubt that the rioters were Democratic voters. The arguments that they were making were Democratic arguments without any doubt. Democratic public officials allowed the riots to go on - I assure you that if they were Republicans they would have hammered them. Biden was quiet until Don Lemon warned him that his silence on the riots wash hurting him electorally. Which means he was fine with the riots. Liberals “prove it”. One doesn’t have to prove the obvious. Amd one shouldn’t deny it either.
You're lumping the most extreme elements in with all Democrats, as if they represent the "Left" (broadly speaking) anymore than the Nazis chanting "Jews won't replace us" in Charlottesville represent the "Right."
Additionally, you're conflating the speech of peaceful protestors with those who were violent or rioting. How do you know the guy throwing a brick through a police car's window votes at all? You act like there are only two kinds of people: Democratic Party loyalists or Republican Party loyalists. A lot of the rioting and looting either has fuck all to do with politics, and is usually just perpetrated by destructive opportunists, or is perpetrated by those who are so disenchanted by a system they see as beyond broken that they despise the Democratic Party as much as the Republican Party.
I don't take issue with people denouncing the looting and rioting. I do take issue with conflating those actions with peaceful protests, and I take issue with using the most extreme actions and speech from one side or the other and attributing them to the entire Left or Right.
There comes a point in time when you become responsible formthemsctioms of others, where you can’t demy responsibility.
I am sooooooooooo sick amd tired,of the term “peaceful protestors”.
First of all in a large proportion of the “peaceful protests”, they were violating curfews and didn’t have permits to assemble. That is NOT peaceful.
Secondly, they knew at some point in time that their illegal assemblies would draw violent people into their midst and continued with their illegal protests anyways.
Whether they planned the inclusion of violence or not, they became responsible for it at some point in time.
Can you show evidence of any of this ? So funny when people refuse to recognize US foreign policy. All assumptions driven by the media narrative. Funny how it never dawns on people to question both sides of the fake isle.
This is a standard fallback of the left. Prove the obvious to a legal standard or your wrong, ignore what’s in front of your face. But prove what someone put on a secret ballot, which they know is impossible. Which brings them to their aha! moment that is dependent upon ignoring that their actions totally align with the left leaning candidate. No! You aren’t allowed to draw natural conclusions from obvious facts. Okay. So I will play your game. I saw how they vote. I watched them fill out their ballots.
You're being awfully literal today, aren't you? I seriously doubt whether a single one of them voted for Trump. If they voted, they voted for Biden. I haven't seen any unrest and looting since Biden claimed victory. That give you a clue, Mr. Market Researcher?
I didn't see any serious unrest in the 3 months prior to the election, either. I did see a BLM protest last night in midtown Manhattan, shut down a major intersection at 34th and Broadway. Does that count? Lol
No voter fraud? You seem to be saying that the official surveillance video from the management of the State Farm Arena in Atlanta is fake.
The vote counting manager said to everyone that voting was stopping for the night, and was quoted by TV News media saying that. Yet the video clearly shows people moving ballots around and vote counting machines going through thousands of ballots after everyone supposedly had left. That is definitive fraud: counting ballots right after officially announcing that counting was stopped and everyone should leave.
More than a thousand dead people "voting" in one state. Someone who was born in 1823 voting in another. Thousands of people who voted in two states in the Presidential election. None of this is fraud????
As in, framing it as "Democrat's 2016 Russia hoax" forces me to say "Yes, I believe in a hoax," or wholesale dismiss the idea that Russians weren't involved at all in the 2016 election. If you want to have real discussions and not just spray partisan opinions around like a feral cat, don't address topics using leading language.
Why not focus on the impeachment charges. As for Russia’s involvement in 2016, and 2020, sure they were messing around. We could save a lot of space and time if we list the foreign governments that didn’t try to influence.
No voter fraud? So all of the networks were incorrect when they predicted massive fraud from President Trump?
Nah, the O'Biden permanent warfare administration does its burning, looting, and killing overseas. Much more acceptable to the suburban wine mom constituency and Biden fanx like John O. Brennan, Max Boot, and David Frum. NIMBY!
Just pointing out that a guy throwing a brick through the window of a LIdz is probably not a centrist Democrat. That you somehow read that as an endorsement of Biden says something about your partisanship.
Serious question. What’s a Centrist Democrat? I used to think I was one until the center of the party pivoted continually left while those of us not comfortable with the woke corporatism of the new party were maligned as ignorant racists...
trying to wrap my head around the concept of "woke corporatism" being a "pivot to the left." "Left" means a lot of contradictory things to a lot of different people, which is why it's become a largely useless label. That said, I'm fairly sure that "corporatism" is an outlier as a component of even an obsolete definition of "the left."
IMO the success of the Woke project has been in untethering (at least the vocal) cultural/social justice component of the traditional "left" from the economic justice component of the traditional "left." As I say often and tiresomely, cui bono? Nike, probably.
Well exactly. I don’t know what it means to be left. I’m generally left on some topics and “right” on others. I was referring to Nike or BAML or Twitter. Which is to say. Massive public corporates that engage in objectively awful predatory behavior here and elsewhere in world while intentionally projecting and enforcing “woke” social standards as a cover. You can dig in In a longer format into why corporates want loose immigration for instance and j assure you it has nothing to do with actually social justice. So candidates like Yang and Sanders (off the wall but genuine) and dare I say trump. Are knifed by the Corp media in favor of demonstrably awful humans like biden Harris. For the simple reason that Trump/ yang/ Bernie are (for admittedly different reasons) bad for global business. The key is. This knifing is done by someone holding a rainbow flag (another topic corps pretend to give a shit about). But a lot of the superficial pro corporate pablum has infected policy. And the way regular people think about policy. Roughly speaking that’s what I meant by woke corporatism.
If that anger turns to rage, the Dem brass will be delighted to use the ensuing disorder, to justify implementing the ultimate Endlösung der DeplorablesFrage.
When people are treated like dogs, the point usually is, to provoke them to start biting.
So, Matt, conscientious guy that he is, is just pointing us to the blatantly obvious.
"Do you want 70 million Trump voters in the streets with guns and go-bags? Tell them you consider them the same as foreign enemies, and start treating them accordingly."
In all likelihood, this whole thing has been war-gamed, up one side and down the other.
So conservatives destroyed the New York Times? Conservatives pushed the Russia Election Conspiracy so hard that the Times published some 2500 articles pretending it was true? Conservatives pushed the left-wing opinion editor out after he published a carefully written and edited column by Senator Tom Cotton? Conservatives created so much hate in the Times' newsroom that liberal Bari Weiss quit the fulltime position she had at the Times? Conservatives created the "1619 Project" which is so bad that intellectuals on the left as well as the right denounced it and the Times has made revisions in the online version to protect themselves? And all the columnists the Times has are secret conservatives, despite nearly every one of them identifying with the Democratic Party and as anti-conservatives?
How the f---- did conservatives destroy the MSM? I worked in the MSM for 25 years, and for most of the years I was the ONLY conservative in the newsroom. This included a major metropolitan daily in one of the nation's largest cities, and also wrote for a national wire service.
And my experience is hardly unique. One of the national journalism think tanks used to do a survey of working editors and reporters after every election. Poynter Institute, I think. Last survey I saw results for was Obama's first victory, and I believe about 90 percent of all journalists voted for him.
Getting pretty tired of the conservative victimhood status. What did conservatives ever do to stop any of this ? They are and always have been in on it.
Who gives a warm runny shit who voted for who in a rigged system ? Have you ever stopped to think about why there are only two of these fake parties and two ideological positions in the first place ?
When you stop with the blame game and start looking at solutions you get mass propaganda and censorship.
Let's not forget who wrote the Patriot act and how it got voted into place with bipartisan support.
The NYT, WA PO are LEFT. They destroyed themselves. They have become entertainment TABLOIDS, having nothing to do with reality. Just stroking the marginally intelligent. those who enjoy stuff like "The Trump Virus", "The Golden Shower", Trump the Traitor", "Melania the prostitute" Melania the Illegal Alien."
"The Trump Virus", "The Golden Shower", "Trump the Traitor", "Melania the prostitute" or "Melania the Illegal Alien" are all TV and blog stuff. I get the feeling that's what you're reacting to, that you actually don't read NYT or WaPo.
Ms. Ramirez’s story would seem far less damaging to Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation than those of Dr. Ford, who claimed that he pinned her to a bed, groped her and tried to remove her clothes while covering her mouth.
"Russian Spy or Hustling Political Operative? The Enigmatic Figure at the Heart of Mueller’s Inquiry"
" just as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican presidential nomination — he first received polling data about the 2016 election from two top Trump campaign officials, Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, as Russia was beginning a social media operation intended to help Mr. Trump’s campaign." This was not proven in court. IT WAS A LIE PUT PUBLISHED AS FACT!
You are the one who doesn't read the Papers or SELECTIVELLY REMEMBERS. You are so simpleminded, you'll believe anything NYT says and therein lies the danger.
Continue your cheap tabloid romance with NYT and WaPo.
The founders never “designed” the press to be anything-they simply recognized it’s proper role in the political ecosystem and protected it. John Peter Zenger was a generation or two older than Madison and Co.
Rubbish on steroids. Rush and Fox (until recently) built a heck of a counter platform to what was already a progressive corrupt leaning media. It is now big tech that is destroying any chance at free speech. Good grief what a lame take.
Yes and I remember seeing an old episode of Firing Line (it’s on youtube now) where William F. Buckley was complaining of liberal bias in the media going back to the 1950’s. It’s that personality type who is attracted to positions like that so I’m thinking it’s always had that type of slant.
Conservative types start businesses or manage corporations, they don’t go become teachers, journalists ect...
Well, if you're from William F. Buckley's class, you start out at no effort with a gimme job in the CIA, but if you get bored there's always a career in punditry.
«Meanwhile, there was exactly one major American news organization that didn’t buy the British-American war story: the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain. Their Washington bureau chief, John Walcott, offered a simple explanation:
“Our readers aren’t here in Washington. They aren’t up in New York. They aren’t the people who send other people’s kids to war. They’re the people who get sent to war and we felt an obligation to them.”»
The New York Times today issued an extraordinary mea culpa over its coverage of Iraq, admitting it had been misled about the presence of weapons of mass destruction by sources including the controversial Iraqi leader Ahmad Chalabi.
The New York Times' role in promoting war on Iraq
“One of the most entrenched and disturbing features of American journalism [is] its pack mentality. Editors and journalists don’t like to diverge too sharply from what everyone else is writing.”
I assume you are talking to me. So, I'm old enough to remember sitting in the living room watching the news show body bags lifted onto Hueys for the ride back to "the world". So yeah, pre internet.
Those views were instrumental in a shift of public opinion away from the warmongers' propaganda and towards sanity. How tightly controlled was the news then? It's all been refined since then, for sure.
«Their counter platforms are for entertainment purposes only by their own legal standards.»
There is a similar ruling where a very important Wall Street corporate claimed successfully that they are not liable for the financial advice their advisors provide because they are actually entertainers and they don't give advice but entertainment to customers. They are truly comedians! :-)
February 14, 2003 FOX wins right to falsify NEWS. Ist Amendment supersedes.
In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.
Fox News is part of the mainstream media, no matter how they try to spin it. They are part of the problem too. And if you think "grift and make money selling hatred" is a goal unique to conservatives then you are woefully naïve.
Spot on. Fox is not on our side(s). They are owned by the MIC- that's who they work for. The left media does too. I fear we are out gunned at the moment
They always have been. Haven’t trusted Fox since they called Florida early in 2000. They’re still the neocons news network. They called Arizona early for Biden this year. Old habits die hard I guess.
Thank goodness the left-leaning media (meaning all of it except Fox) are sober, serious, balanced journalists. It's only those crazies at Fox and Rush L. causing all of our problems today. /s
You can include Fox, as it isn't particularly conservative. Especially the "news" which is where the problem ultimately is with all the "news" organizations.
What a deflection from the point of Matt's article! Matt does propose in Hate Inc. that Fox News developed the model. But that is NOT the point of this article. Why change the subject? Are you so blind with hatred towards the right? The point of this article is censorship/suppression/ manufacturing consent ... or whatever you want to call it. Keep on topic.
It isn't just an assault on Trump though. It's an assault on the ability of anyone who questions the official narrative to post on social media. Remember the article on covid19 that Twitter censored in March, to temporarily shutting down the Federalist magazine account until it was deleted? The guy who wrote it wasn't partisan at all, Federalist was just the 1st media outlet he shopped it to that agreed to publish it. Now that the precedent is set, what stops them from labeling the next Occupy Wall Street as "anti democracy disinformation"? Or using similar censorship tactics on anyone who may be injured by the Pfizer vaccine?
Exactly. Suddenly, an information sharing platform is blocking the free flow of ideas -ALL ideas.
They're not doing it to protect anything but their own bottom lines and everyone knows it. They're really raking in the cash during this pandemic. Amazon and Google are still rising.
This shit is rotten to the core and I'm starting to feel like Eraserhead. Trapped and terrified, but mostly just despondent.
Most Trump voters aren't "radicalized", Matt, nor are we in danger of becoming so. You may have noticed that it wasn't Trump voters who raged through the streets of our cities this summer, burning, looting and killing. We ARE mighty pissed off, though. Who wouldn't be, with the media, Big Tech, the entire Democrat party and half the GOP working together to drag Biden over the finish line. The YouTube fiasco is merely the icing on a very rotten cake. Fuck Google, Facebook and Twitter, their woke-but-morally-bankrupt CEOs, and their obvious progressive biases. I don't know what the answer is, but an old-fashioned pillory might not be a bad place to start.
It wasn't Biden voters who burned, looted, or killed, either, lol. If you guys don't want to look like kooks you should engage with reality.
Harris and other democrats funded their bail, big time. Democratic DAs refused to prosecute. Democrats in Oregon right now refuse to remove antifa from occupying blocks of Portland brandishing guns. Biden said Antifa was just an idea. He and Harris supported them in word and deed before the election, yet you still voted for him. Seems all Biden supporters are simply blind or liars.
"Harris and other democrats funded their bail, big time. Democratic DAs refused to prosecute."
-Due to the amount of wrongful detentions and arrest. You're also saying this as if they specifically sought out self-identifying Antifa "members" and bailed them out, which is nonsense.
"Democrats in Oregon right now refuse to remove Antifa from occupying blocks of Portland brandishing guns."
-I'm sorry...is this a complaint from the Right about brandishing guns??? You're right to criticize Democratic leadership for being weak on the issue of their illegal occupation, but unless we just erase the Bundy stand-off and the Republicans' non-reaction from history, this really doesn't say anything about Democratic voters. The "CHAZ" people are way out on the fringe.
"Biden said Antifa was just an idea. He and Harris supported them in word and deed before the election, yet you still voted for him."
-And Trump couldn't do anything more to denounce White Supremacy than to say "Proud Boys, stand back, and stand by." That was after he pardoned Joe "I racially profile brown people" Arpaio. If Democrats are somehow guilty of Biden's words and actions, then so are Trump voters. Unless they're all "simply blind or liars."
You basically just mirrored ridiculous Leftist talking points that are designed to prove all Trump supporters must be racist.
Trump has explicitly, specifically denounced white supremacy on numerous occasions, you do know that, right? And the Proud Boys are not white supremacists, you also know that, right?
Let’s be honest. The people who call him a racist are racists themselves. They use race as a weapon. It’s not as if they care about minorities, other than for their votes. They don’t give a damn about the horrible conditions in urban areas and do NOTHING to mitigate them. Indeed, I think they prefer it that way. It provides Democrats with a large base of people who can be manipulated with the race card, accusing other people - conservatives - as the source of their problems.
When they call Trump a racist, they know that they are lying. They known that they are taking only a part of a quote to present a false image. They just that they don’t care. The left has degenerated into a group of people who will do ANYTHING to win. They lie. They encourage election fraud. They engage in it themselves. They are just horrible people.
Sounds like you have it all figured out, lol.
He does it days after the incident in question, and does so in the pissed-off monotone he uses when he doesn't want to do something but everyone in his circle insisted he has to. For instance after Charlottesville it took him 3 days, and still a day later he backpedaled. As for the Proud Boys, they're "Western Chauvinists," their words, and are against non-European immigration. That's not a dog whistle, that's an air raid siren. No one, even trump, is going to say "I'm pro white supremacy." That doesn't mean they don't believe it. I mean, the first time Trump was ever in the newspaper was when Nixon's justice department fined his company for redlining apartments in Queens. You don't refuse to rent apartments to black people because you consider them equal to whites.
I also have a personal rule. Anyone who uses the term “dog whistle” is to be ignored as a political hack
It’s funny...the right didn’t riot, they didn’t burn down businesses, they didn’t loot and they didn’t harm on a grand scale over weeks and weeks.
That is what the left did.
They supported it in word and deed. They bailed out rioters and looters. Biden and Harris. And they did it open and notoriously.
But you prefer to read between the lines and make assumptions that fit your narrative, and obsessively focus on them even if they pale in comparison to what the left did.
The left are racist to the core. Why, for example, is it a political crime to say blue lives matter? Or all lives matter? Oh no! It’s only BLM. And of course, let’s all ignore that the actual BLM group is a front for raising money for the Democrat party.
But that must not be spoken of.
"He didn't say it soon enough" -- that's cool, you're agreeing that he said it.
"He backpedaled" -- nonsense, he changed his mind and supported white supremacy, then, did he?
"Proud Boys are Western Chauvinists" -- great, we agree that they're not white supremecists.
"They're against non-European immigration" -- you think they're against Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, for example, immigrating? Disentangle race and culture and rethink your stance.
"Refuse to rent apartments to black people" -- don't mix up correlation with causation, and while you do that, consider as a secondary point, why is it not considered sexist and ageist for car insurance companies to charge higher premiums to young male drivers?
I think that it’s beyond doubt that the rioters were Democratic voters. The arguments that they were making were Democratic arguments without any doubt. Democratic public officials allowed the riots to go on - I assure you that if they were Republicans they would have hammered them. Biden was quiet until Don Lemon warned him that his silence on the riots wash hurting him electorally. Which means he was fine with the riots. Liberals “prove it”. One doesn’t have to prove the obvious. Amd one shouldn’t deny it either.
You're lumping the most extreme elements in with all Democrats, as if they represent the "Left" (broadly speaking) anymore than the Nazis chanting "Jews won't replace us" in Charlottesville represent the "Right."
Additionally, you're conflating the speech of peaceful protestors with those who were violent or rioting. How do you know the guy throwing a brick through a police car's window votes at all? You act like there are only two kinds of people: Democratic Party loyalists or Republican Party loyalists. A lot of the rioting and looting either has fuck all to do with politics, and is usually just perpetrated by destructive opportunists, or is perpetrated by those who are so disenchanted by a system they see as beyond broken that they despise the Democratic Party as much as the Republican Party.
I don't take issue with people denouncing the looting and rioting. I do take issue with conflating those actions with peaceful protests, and I take issue with using the most extreme actions and speech from one side or the other and attributing them to the entire Left or Right.
There comes a point in time when you become responsible formthemsctioms of others, where you can’t demy responsibility.
I am sooooooooooo sick amd tired,of the term “peaceful protestors”.
First of all in a large proportion of the “peaceful protests”, they were violating curfews and didn’t have permits to assemble. That is NOT peaceful.
Secondly, they knew at some point in time that their illegal assemblies would draw violent people into their midst and continued with their illegal protests anyways.
Whether they planned the inclusion of violence or not, they became responsible for it at some point in time.
Can you show evidence of any of this ? So funny when people refuse to recognize US foreign policy. All assumptions driven by the media narrative. Funny how it never dawns on people to question both sides of the fake isle.
This is a standard fallback of the left. Prove the obvious to a legal standard or your wrong, ignore what’s in front of your face. But prove what someone put on a secret ballot, which they know is impossible. Which brings them to their aha! moment that is dependent upon ignoring that their actions totally align with the left leaning candidate. No! You aren’t allowed to draw natural conclusions from obvious facts. Okay. So I will play your game. I saw how they vote. I watched them fill out their ballots.
Yes, I told you. I watched how they all filled out their ballots.
Since the BRATS got their way, they ended their 4 year long TNATRUM.
Riiiiight. Have you been into the Tide pods again?
So you're saying the looters voted for Biden, okay. Anything to back that up?
You're being awfully literal today, aren't you? I seriously doubt whether a single one of them voted for Trump. If they voted, they voted for Biden. I haven't seen any unrest and looting since Biden claimed victory. That give you a clue, Mr. Market Researcher?
Your hostility and name calling is undermining your arguments. Might want to pull back on that.
I'm actually not hostile, and if "Mr. Market Researcher" triggers you, then you better get off the internet! :-)
I didn't see any serious unrest in the 3 months prior to the election, either. I did see a BLM protest last night in midtown Manhattan, shut down a major intersection at 34th and Broadway. Does that count? Lol
Once again you fail to see what the US has done all over the world just because it's in your back yard.
Did you believe the Democrat’s 2016 Russia hoax? More evidence of 2020 voter fraud than of Russian collusion.
You have to be more specific. And there's no evidence of 2020 voter fraud, so that's not a great metric.
No voter fraud? You seem to be saying that the official surveillance video from the management of the State Farm Arena in Atlanta is fake.
The vote counting manager said to everyone that voting was stopping for the night, and was quoted by TV News media saying that. Yet the video clearly shows people moving ballots around and vote counting machines going through thousands of ballots after everyone supposedly had left. That is definitive fraud: counting ballots right after officially announcing that counting was stopped and everyone should leave.
More than a thousand dead people "voting" in one state. Someone who was born in 1823 voting in another. Thousands of people who voted in two states in the Presidential election. None of this is fraud????
How do you know if there is or isn't evidence ?
As in, framing it as "Democrat's 2016 Russia hoax" forces me to say "Yes, I believe in a hoax," or wholesale dismiss the idea that Russians weren't involved at all in the 2016 election. If you want to have real discussions and not just spray partisan opinions around like a feral cat, don't address topics using leading language.
Why not focus on the impeachment charges. As for Russia’s involvement in 2016, and 2020, sure they were messing around. We could save a lot of space and time if we list the foreign governments that didn’t try to influence.
No voter fraud? So all of the networks were incorrect when they predicted massive fraud from President Trump?
Mostly not voters at all. Those defending them and keeping them out of jail and pulling back the police were probably Biden voters, though.
Nah, the O'Biden permanent warfare administration does its burning, looting, and killing overseas. Much more acceptable to the suburban wine mom constituency and Biden fanx like John O. Brennan, Max Boot, and David Frum. NIMBY!
Oh boy, another partisan sleep walker.........
Just pointing out that a guy throwing a brick through the window of a LIdz is probably not a centrist Democrat. That you somehow read that as an endorsement of Biden says something about your partisanship.
Serious question. What’s a Centrist Democrat? I used to think I was one until the center of the party pivoted continually left while those of us not comfortable with the woke corporatism of the new party were maligned as ignorant racists...
trying to wrap my head around the concept of "woke corporatism" being a "pivot to the left." "Left" means a lot of contradictory things to a lot of different people, which is why it's become a largely useless label. That said, I'm fairly sure that "corporatism" is an outlier as a component of even an obsolete definition of "the left."
IMO the success of the Woke project has been in untethering (at least the vocal) cultural/social justice component of the traditional "left" from the economic justice component of the traditional "left." As I say often and tiresomely, cui bono? Nike, probably.
Well exactly. I don’t know what it means to be left. I’m generally left on some topics and “right” on others. I was referring to Nike or BAML or Twitter. Which is to say. Massive public corporates that engage in objectively awful predatory behavior here and elsewhere in world while intentionally projecting and enforcing “woke” social standards as a cover. You can dig in In a longer format into why corporates want loose immigration for instance and j assure you it has nothing to do with actually social justice. So candidates like Yang and Sanders (off the wall but genuine) and dare I say trump. Are knifed by the Corp media in favor of demonstrably awful humans like biden Harris. For the simple reason that Trump/ yang/ Bernie are (for admittedly different reasons) bad for global business. The key is. This knifing is done by someone holding a rainbow flag (another topic corps pretend to give a shit about). But a lot of the superficial pro corporate pablum has infected policy. And the way regular people think about policy. Roughly speaking that’s what I meant by woke corporatism.
The center of the party pivoted left? Is Joe Biden a leftist? Tom Perez?
...can you be a corporate leftist? Is that a thing...? I get it, you're anti-PC or whatever but you can't just make shit up.
But at least they are very diverse...
Taibbi is right though. If this continues anger will turn to rage. If you treat people like dogs, fair enough, but don't be surprised when they bite.
If that anger turns to rage, the Dem brass will be delighted to use the ensuing disorder, to justify implementing the ultimate Endlösung der DeplorablesFrage.
When people are treated like dogs, the point usually is, to provoke them to start biting.
So, Matt, conscientious guy that he is, is just pointing us to the blatantly obvious.
"Do you want 70 million Trump voters in the streets with guns and go-bags? Tell them you consider them the same as foreign enemies, and start treating them accordingly."
In all likelihood, this whole thing has been war-gamed, up one side and down the other.
I bet people could scare up enough tar, feathers and poles for just such an occasion.
Oh no! facepalm
So true.
So conservatives destroyed the New York Times? Conservatives pushed the Russia Election Conspiracy so hard that the Times published some 2500 articles pretending it was true? Conservatives pushed the left-wing opinion editor out after he published a carefully written and edited column by Senator Tom Cotton? Conservatives created so much hate in the Times' newsroom that liberal Bari Weiss quit the fulltime position she had at the Times? Conservatives created the "1619 Project" which is so bad that intellectuals on the left as well as the right denounced it and the Times has made revisions in the online version to protect themselves? And all the columnists the Times has are secret conservatives, despite nearly every one of them identifying with the Democratic Party and as anti-conservatives?
I think Cotton sucks because he is a crazed anti-Iran warhawk, but I largely otherwise agree with this post.
Thank you.
The journalists destroyed the press. They are responsible for their own behavior. Well, and the corporate owners of the organizations.
The elite have always owned the press. Nothing new to see hear.
Or Hanlon’s......
How the f---- did conservatives destroy the MSM? I worked in the MSM for 25 years, and for most of the years I was the ONLY conservative in the newsroom. This included a major metropolitan daily in one of the nation's largest cities, and also wrote for a national wire service.
And my experience is hardly unique. One of the national journalism think tanks used to do a survey of working editors and reporters after every election. Poynter Institute, I think. Last survey I saw results for was Obama's first victory, and I believe about 90 percent of all journalists voted for him.
Getting pretty tired of the conservative victimhood status. What did conservatives ever do to stop any of this ? They are and always have been in on it.
Who gives a warm runny shit who voted for who in a rigged system ? Have you ever stopped to think about why there are only two of these fake parties and two ideological positions in the first place ?
When you stop with the blame game and start looking at solutions you get mass propaganda and censorship.
Let's not forget who wrote the Patriot act and how it got voted into place with bipartisan support.
Think tanks destroyed the US government, press, and society.
Add the giant trough that feeds the pigs ;-)
The NYT, WA PO are LEFT. They destroyed themselves. They have become entertainment TABLOIDS, having nothing to do with reality. Just stroking the marginally intelligent. those who enjoy stuff like "The Trump Virus", "The Golden Shower", Trump the Traitor", "Melania the prostitute" Melania the Illegal Alien."
They really have true Trump derangement syndrome. He broke their minds and they’re too damaged to go back.
There is no left or right, only top and bottom. Or do we need to talk about Rupert and his whack a doodle world ??
"The Trump Virus", "The Golden Shower", "Trump the Traitor", "Melania the prostitute" or "Melania the Illegal Alien" are all TV and blog stuff. I get the feeling that's what you're reacting to, that you actually don't read NYT or WaPo.
New York Times Reporter Claims There's a Tape of Trump's Golden Showers Incident...
BY PJ VIDEO MAR 22, 2017 2:00 AM ETs Reporter Claims There's a Tape of Trump's Golden Showers Incident...
https://pjmedia.com/video/pj-video/2017/03/22/new-york-times-reporter-claims-theres-a-tape-of-trumps-golden-showers-incident-n87916
NOT EVEN ALLEGED. reported as fact!
Ms. Ramirez’s story would seem far less damaging to Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation than those of Dr. Ford, who claimed that he pinned her to a bed, groped her and tried to remove her clothes while covering her mouth.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/sunday-review/brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez-yale.html
Two Men Tell Judiciary Committee They Assaulted Christine Ford, Not Kavanaugh.
https://time.com/5408094/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-two-men-claim-attack/
New York Times ripped for column saying coronavirus should be called 'Trumpvirus'
"Let’s Call It Trumpvirus"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html
"Trump, Treasonous Traitor"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/opinion/trump-russia-investigation-putin.html
"Russian Spy or Hustling Political Operative? The Enigmatic Figure at the Heart of Mueller’s Inquiry"
" just as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican presidential nomination — he first received polling data about the 2016 election from two top Trump campaign officials, Mr. Manafort and Rick Gates, as Russia was beginning a social media operation intended to help Mr. Trump’s campaign." This was not proven in court. IT WAS A LIE PUT PUBLISHED AS FACT!
You are the one who doesn't read the Papers or SELECTIVELLY REMEMBERS. You are so simpleminded, you'll believe anything NYT says and therein lies the danger.
Continue your cheap tabloid romance with NYT and WaPo.
You would be wrong. I read the NYT every day. Wapo, I don’t have a subscription to but they have Jennifer Rubin & Max Boot on staff sooooo.....
What planet are you on?
It’s not a planet he’s from the “fourth estate”
He's from the 6th estate....... the wandering unconscious mind!
The founders never “designed” the press to be anything-they simply recognized it’s proper role in the political ecosystem and protected it. John Peter Zenger was a generation or two older than Madison and Co.
I proudly masturbate nightly to the US Constitution. Some get off on the flag. Me, I get off on the Constitution.
Rubbish on steroids. Rush and Fox (until recently) built a heck of a counter platform to what was already a progressive corrupt leaning media. It is now big tech that is destroying any chance at free speech. Good grief what a lame take.
Yes and I remember seeing an old episode of Firing Line (it’s on youtube now) where William F. Buckley was complaining of liberal bias in the media going back to the 1950’s. It’s that personality type who is attracted to positions like that so I’m thinking it’s always had that type of slant.
Conservative types start businesses or manage corporations, they don’t go become teachers, journalists ect...
Well, if you're from William F. Buckley's class, you start out at no effort with a gimme job in the CIA, but if you get bored there's always a career in punditry.
Lol, read The Third Bullet by Stephen Hunter for a good send up of Yalian CIA douchery......
Journalism? Where? CNN, NBC, NY Times, Washington Post? If you think that there is no sense in continuing this discussion. Good day.
From an earlier article on TK News:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-scarlet-letter-club
«Meanwhile, there was exactly one major American news organization that didn’t buy the British-American war story: the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain. Their Washington bureau chief, John Walcott, offered a simple explanation:
“Our readers aren’t here in Washington. They aren’t up in New York. They aren’t the people who send other people’s kids to war. They’re the people who get sent to war and we felt an obligation to them.”»
The smaller outlets did journalism. They where "Rockefellered" into obscurity.
It existed everywhere but within the mainstream.
I find you refreshingly incompetent. I will point out that Fox was the original propaganda outlet (going to war 20 yrs ago)
New York Times: we were wrong on Iraq
Claire Cozens
Wed 26 May 2004
The New York Times today issued an extraordinary mea culpa over its coverage of Iraq, admitting it had been misled about the presence of weapons of mass destruction by sources including the controversial Iraqi leader Ahmad Chalabi.
The New York Times' role in promoting war on Iraq
“One of the most entrenched and disturbing features of American journalism [is] its pack mentality. Editors and journalists don’t like to diverge too sharply from what everyone else is writing.”
https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-new-york-times-role-in-promoting-war-on-iraq-20040323-gdilbl.html
Come on, dude. All of the "news" was tightly controlled before the internet.
Were you born after the internet?
I assume you are talking to me. So, I'm old enough to remember sitting in the living room watching the news show body bags lifted onto Hueys for the ride back to "the world". So yeah, pre internet.
Those views were instrumental in a shift of public opinion away from the warmongers' propaganda and towards sanity. How tightly controlled was the news then? It's all been refined since then, for sure.
Apologies if we are talking two different things.
«Their counter platforms are for entertainment purposes only by their own legal standards.»
There is a similar ruling where a very important Wall Street corporate claimed successfully that they are not liable for the financial advice their advisors provide because they are actually entertainers and they don't give advice but entertainment to customers. They are truly comedians! :-)
You’re describing Rachael Maddow to a “T”. Look up the “news” vs “entertainment” lawsuit she was involved in.
February 14, 2003 FOX wins right to falsify NEWS. Ist Amendment supersedes.
In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/7/31/364678/-
The lead up to war. One month after this decision, the war was launched. So they got to the appeals court- so much was at stake.
The NYT endorsed the war also.
Fox News is part of the mainstream media, no matter how they try to spin it. They are part of the problem too. And if you think "grift and make money selling hatred" is a goal unique to conservatives then you are woefully naïve.
Spot on. Fox is not on our side(s). They are owned by the MIC- that's who they work for. The left media does too. I fear we are out gunned at the moment
They always have been. Haven’t trusted Fox since they called Florida early in 2000. They’re still the neocons news network. They called Arizona early for Biden this year. Old habits die hard I guess.
Thank goodness the left-leaning media (meaning all of it except Fox) are sober, serious, balanced journalists. It's only those crazies at Fox and Rush L. causing all of our problems today. /s
You can include Fox, as it isn't particularly conservative. Especially the "news" which is where the problem ultimately is with all the "news" organizations.
What a deflection from the point of Matt's article! Matt does propose in Hate Inc. that Fox News developed the model. But that is NOT the point of this article. Why change the subject? Are you so blind with hatred towards the right? The point of this article is censorship/suppression/ manufacturing consent ... or whatever you want to call it. Keep on topic.
It isn't just an assault on Trump though. It's an assault on the ability of anyone who questions the official narrative to post on social media. Remember the article on covid19 that Twitter censored in March, to temporarily shutting down the Federalist magazine account until it was deleted? The guy who wrote it wasn't partisan at all, Federalist was just the 1st media outlet he shopped it to that agreed to publish it. Now that the precedent is set, what stops them from labeling the next Occupy Wall Street as "anti democracy disinformation"? Or using similar censorship tactics on anyone who may be injured by the Pfizer vaccine?
Exactly. Suddenly, an information sharing platform is blocking the free flow of ideas -ALL ideas.
They're not doing it to protect anything but their own bottom lines and everyone knows it. They're really raking in the cash during this pandemic. Amazon and Google are still rising.
This shit is rotten to the core and I'm starting to feel like Eraserhead. Trapped and terrified, but mostly just despondent.
We get it: Fox News is stupid and "The Conservatives" are responsible for all of this.
Where does that chain-of-blame end? How far back do we go?
Forget it. "Red v Blue" or "Con v Lib" is just so pedestrian. It's literally the product these media people baked up for the corporate masters.
Everyone needs to stop thinking along these programmed lines of logic. Shit's not BINARY in real life: it's multidimensional.
Beautifully complicated.